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[04:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CDJ-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CDJ-2
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[06:11] <ok1cdj> gm all
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[06:14] <ok1cdj> plase approve my flight cdj-2, thank you
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[06:24] <Vaizki> ok1cdj: you should go to #habhub and give the flight document id there
[06:25] <Vaizki> that said, it's 7:24am where most of the admins are so they are probably still getting weaned off coffee or tea and may not have an autonomoysly functioning brain yet ;)
[06:38] <Upu> if you can get me the flight doc id
[06:38] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX2
[06:47] <ok1cdj> gm upu
[06:47] <ok1cdj> tnx,id f5b5cc73dbfb9b4b01727f089c6af699
[06:48] <Upu> [07:48] <SpacenearUS> Upu: Flight CDJ-2 PICO solar and 50bd test (f5b5cc73dbfb9b4b01727f089c6af699) has been approved! Good luck
[06:48] <ok1cdj> tnx and 73
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[07:43] <Laurenceb_> My theory is that the EM drive does not produce any trust but in reality affect the minds of the people experimenting with it. As soon as they seem to get trust they immediately stop producing good data and give us just poor data and vague hints
[07:43] <Laurenceb_> lolld
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[08:20] <Elwell> Hi all - I know that upu was heading on leave soon, so maybe others can advise - I want to use his GPS breakout, but going into a 1U case - hence I need the antenna connector on the backplate. Can I just solder a short (50-80mm) piece of suitable coax onto board instead? or, is there a better chassis fixing SMA connector I can get fitted and just run the pinouts to microprocessor board
[08:20] <Upu> yo
[08:20] <Elwell> ah - Thought you were offski
[08:20] <Upu> I am
[08:20] <Upu> hence the fast response :)
[08:20] <Upu> which board do you have ?
[08:21] <Elwell> none yet - making a plan... preference is for uBLOX MAX-8 Breakout for Active Antenna
[08:21] <Elwell> but get you not to solder on the SMA
[08:22] <Upu> you could put an extension on there yes but I'd be surprised if the SMA didn't fit anyway
[08:23] <Elwell> I take it I could drill about where the logo is to fix it to a standoff?
[08:24] <Upu> you know this board is 20mm x 20mm ?
[08:24] <Elwell> well, I have one of your older ones so figured it was about the same size
[08:24] <Elwell> max6 or max7 gen
[08:25] <Upu> I would find an SMA to SMA panel mount extension from ebay
[08:25] <Upu> and use that
[08:26] <Upu> you could drill a hole but there really isn't much space
[08:26] <Elwell> OK - wasn't sure about losses. Planning on making sure its got something like your timing / active antenna
[08:27] <Upu> oh you can get away with 30 meters on one of those
[08:27] <Upu> I run one down from the roof via the cable which is 10 meters
[08:28] <Upu> and then via a 15 meter extension
[08:28] <Elwell> great. thats all I need to know.
[08:29] <Elwell> (this is for a super-duper G5500 controller replacement. 1U racked, with (probably) a beaglebone onboard.) https://gist.github.com/Elwell/15b9707709cb53fd1d86
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[08:30] <Upu> ah ok
[08:31] <Elwell> basically I'm ripping all the innards out of the square box controller and making it fit* in a 1U case, and adding in all the extra stuff that normally hangs off it
[08:31] <mfa298> if the breakout is 20x20 could on option be to have a longer sma on the breakout so you could mount that on the rear panel and then have a short ribbon cable between the breakout and what it plugs into - thinking outside (or is it inside) the box a bit
[08:31] <Upu> Hot glue :)
[08:32] <gonzo_> Elwell, you are probably better off, just making a new controler from scratch. And keeping the original one as backup
[08:33] <gonzo_> the only bit you will use us the 18V transformer and the non polarissed caps, which are easilly brought
[08:33] <Elwell> gonzo_: I've come to that opinion :-)
[08:34] <Elwell> 18v? ah - I thought it was 24...
[08:34] <gonzo_> but do make sure you use non polarides electrolytics
[08:34] <gonzo_> poss 24V yep
[08:34] <Elwell> ack. esp as this is the 5400 (old kempro label) on it
[08:36] <gonzo_> I have a yaesu az/el pair. Replaced the controler with one using an LVB interface
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[08:36] <Elwell> I suspect it's been previously hacked on https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/18562806821 https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/18534363006/ - looks somewhat homebrew
[08:37] <lz1dev> that looks light enough for a pico
[08:37] <Elwell> but hey, for 150 AUD (75 GBP?) for the rotor + controller + 110V transformer...)
[08:37] <eroomde> jesus Elwell
[08:37] <eroomde> that's like guernica
[08:38] <Elwell> you guys see why I'm thinking "start from fresh" :-)
[08:38] <eroomde> yep
[08:39] <eroomde> that wiring job is responsible for a thousand dead kittens
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I dids that about a year ago, came to the conclusion modifying the existing was as much work and less attractive at the end.
[08:40] <Elwell> I contemplated keeping the displays and switches, but the meters are 50mm and thus too tall to fit in 1U.
[08:41] <Elwell> so all digital time. Cheap n cheerful LCD displays.
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Biggest problem was making sure that the power leads were kept well clear of the position sense leads
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> as it was easy to pickup 50Hz hum when the motor was turning.
[08:43] <Elwell> but, if I make / use a relay board, I should be able to keep that well away from the rest - and planning to screen internally as the beagleboard is RF noisy IIRC
[08:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Had all mine in a single case, sloping front, and just running the wires within an inch generated quite a bit of noise.
[08:45] <Vaizki> someone should make 3U frames which fit 4 units of 3Ux4" boxes side by side
[08:45] <Vaizki> or 2 units of 3Ux8" etc
[08:45] <Elwell> homeski. Later...
[08:46] <Vaizki> something a bit like http://www.hameg.com/745.0.html but for homebrew :)
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[09:31] <Laurenceb> so, who here is responsible for the EM drive on hackaday?
[09:33] <Laurenceb> come on, hands up
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[10:30] <Laurenceb> https://hackaday.io/project/5596-em-drive/log/19330-original-recordings
[10:30] <Laurenceb> I get 1.2µN thrust
[10:30] <Laurenceb> although I'd need a much better estimate of the moment of inertia to be accurate
[10:33] <Laurenceb> an order of magnitude more thrust/power than the nasa results.. if it means anything
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[10:48] <SpeedEvil> Is that with a 900W 2.4GHz source?
[10:49] <Laurenceb> that data is with 50mW @ 24Ghz
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> ah
[11:00] <Laurenceb> their setup is very goofy
[11:01] <Laurenceb> why dont they just log to some flash memory/eeprom
[11:07] <Laurenceb> wow
[11:07] <Laurenceb> http://www.fisher.co.uk/1/1/17651-polyrange-micro-filter-weighing-balance-50mm-pan-diameter-0-001mg-readability-6-1g-capacity.html
[11:07] <Laurenceb> no wonder they went with maglev
[11:10] <chris_99> could they have used a quartz crystal to measure the thrust
[11:12] <Laurenceb> huh?
[11:14] <chris_99> as in quartz crystal microbalance
[11:14] <Laurenceb> oh
[11:14] <Laurenceb> I'm no expert on microbalances :P
[11:14] <chris_99> i saw an open source implementation
[11:14] <chris_99> that looked really cool
[11:15] <Laurenceb> interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_crystal_microbalance
[11:15] <chris_99> and the hardware itself looked pretty cheap
[11:15] <chris_99> to make
[11:15] <Laurenceb> you learn something every day
[11:15] <Laurenceb> or i do.... cuz i is stuuupid
[11:15] <Laurenceb> erm
[11:16] <chris_99> http://openqcm.com/
[11:16] <Laurenceb> isnt this for surface deposition measurement?
[11:16] <chris_99> i thought you could use it for whatever
[11:17] <Laurenceb> im confused
[11:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.thinksrs.com/products/QCM200.htm
[11:19] <Laurenceb> i guess maybe it could be incorporated into some sort of hydraulic system
[11:19] <chris_99> i'm trying to find what the maximum weight you can measure with the OpenQCM one, as it's not immediately obvious
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[11:27] <chris_99> oh well can't seem to find it, might shoot them an email. Do you think it really is generating thrust?
[11:29] <Laurenceb> probably not
[11:30] <Laurenceb> but its a fun project non the less
[11:30] <chris_99> mmm
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[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX1
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[12:40] <infaddict> daveake: that IC-R20 went for £240 in the end. More than I expected.
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[12:54] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P9k8_uA5Xjg
[12:56] <lz1dev> worst gui for touch screen i have ever seen
[12:59] <daveake> I find it's best to assume that this is your average touchscreen user https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjF7HKSaaI
[13:04] <lz1dev> ikofgtrujhylpowse eeeswdikoygy l;pasz.l,,m
[13:04] <lz1dev> yeah typing with your palm is hard
[13:04] <Dread> cat on keyboard?
[13:04] <Dread> okay.
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[13:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4JQF-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4JQF-11
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[13:33] <SpeedEvil> lz1dev: I wish actual pointers worked. Not blunt crayons
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[13:34] <lz1dev> i wish people forget that pointers exist for touch screen
[13:35] <fsphil> if a touch screen UI needs more than a finger, it's not good
[13:35] <lz1dev> please press face to screen
[13:35] <fsphil> zooming and rotating with two fingers is the only allowed exception
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[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> daveake, Thoughts on LoRa and calling channel modes, how about reverting to calling channel
[13:43] <daveake> It does - you can set a timeout
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> after a given time with no signal
[13:43] <daveake> reverts after n seconds of no packets
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ah OK! your there before me!
[13:43] <daveake> :)
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Good man! Awaiting an update on github then ;-)
[13:45] <daveake> Went up this morning
[13:45] <daveake> with telemetry logging
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Brill
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah I must have looked to early then I'll shoot back there
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes 3 hours ago :-)
[13:46] <fab4space> nice update daveake :)
[13:46] <fab4space> do you plan to merge my kml export feature into the pits github repo?
[13:46] <daveake> lora branch of the pits tracker code is up to, with the calling channel stuff included
[13:46] <DL7AD> daveake: is there a specific page where i can inform myself about LoRA?
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I shal leave the Sun and dissapear into the gloom of the shack then
[13:47] <daveake> fab4space Not thought about that yet
[13:48] <fab4space> ok :)
[13:48] <daveake> DL7AD What are you after?
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[13:48] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE-M: you went outside?!
[13:48] <DL7AD> using Lora for my next balloon. possible or not?
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It was a shock!
[13:51] <daveake> DL7AD Sure, there's quite a bit of code around now - mine, mattbrejza's - for tx and rx
[13:51] <daveake> or picaxe if you're weird :p
[13:52] <DL7AD> daveake: okay where can i find it?
[13:52] <DL7AD> gir?
[13:52] <DL7AD> git
[13:52] <daveake> git - Pi stuff in the "pi-in-the-sky" acct
[13:52] <daveake> and AVR in my (daveake) account)
[13:53] <DL7AD> ah gotcha..... thanks
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[14:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NW1X-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NW1X-11
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[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:20] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
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[14:33] <_charlie> so we have two europa missions to look forward to in the 20's
[14:33] <_charlie> yay
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[14:57] <infaddict> yep read your blog entry daveake, nice update ;-)
[14:58] <infaddict> What is your Lora software written in (the desktop piece) - C ?
[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-46 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
[15:03] <daveake> yes all C
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[15:06] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32423509
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, Have you removed the "Calling mode" text from the first line when mode is set ? The parameters look right but no text after the frerquency ?
[15:07] <fsphil> "the later in the evening and the more wine you drink - the more landers you're able to identify in this terrain" hah
[15:08] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE Yeah it has a second line with the SF and other values
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[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Thats OK then!
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Right shall leave it on the co-linear then and see if there are any passing LoRa's ;-)
[15:10] <daveake> :)
[15:11] <_charlie> lol fsphil
[15:11] <_charlie> I dont know if philae can still wake up or not
[15:12] <_charlie> would be amazing if enough melts and it can do a bit more science :)
[15:12] <fsphil> hopefully all that activity hasn't blown it off the surface
[15:26] <_charlie> yeah
[15:26] <_charlie> would be an amazing story
[15:27] <_charlie> I think the next 30 years could be amazing exploration period. Would be amazing to see manned spaceflight 'proper' again...
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[15:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03XABEN0 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=XABEN0
[15:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX2 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX2
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41dKVzYsxng - atmospheric tides
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[15:55] <Laurenceb> interesting, thanks
[15:59] <Laurenceb> http://noflyzano.com/
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[16:01] <Laurenceb> dat trollin https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy
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[16:11] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT
[16:12] <_charlie> whats zano laurenceb?
[16:13] <Laurenceb> a ponzi scheme
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[16:13] <_charlie> ah neat
[16:14] <_charlie> what did they promis?
[16:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.torquinggroup.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[16:16] <Laurenceb> http://www.flyzano.com/about-zano/
[16:16] <Laurenceb> bullshit bingo
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT
[16:17] <_charlie> yeah
[16:18] <_charlie> is why i dont touch kickstarter-esq things with a barge pole
[16:18] <Laurenceb> they dont seem to realise you cant do video processing on a pic32
[16:18] <fsphil> sure you can. just not very well
[16:18] <_charlie> LOL is that what they were saying?
[16:20] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: but machine code
[16:22] <Laurenceb> _charlie: they claim camera driver, transcoding, digital stabilisation and streaming over wifi
[16:22] <Laurenceb> all in asm on pic32
[16:22] <_charlie> well good luck to them
[16:22] <_charlie> reminds me of dinner last night
[16:24] <_charlie> sat next to someone who told me they were going to map the human brain by implanting microchips in the brains of fetuses... When I asked him how that was going to work, he said 'it will measure electrical signals when they are growing up'. When I then asked him how that was going to help him make a map, he said "quantum computers will figure it out"
[16:24] <_charlie> I was like
[16:24] <_charlie> no
[16:38] <_charlie> I wonder if a pair of hair straighteners would make a good seal on a qualatex balloon?
[16:38] <_charlie> Filled with helium, not hydrogen obviously :P
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[17:19] <chris_99> http://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=744 is interesting
[17:19] <chris_99> "MicroPython and the European Space Agency"
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[17:21] <russss> haha
[17:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Mikey7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Mikey7
[17:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 033278235193_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=3278235193_chase
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[18:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MADHEN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MADHEN
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[18:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VORTEX5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VORTEX5
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[18:45] <fsphil> nice thunderstorm sneaking up on the south coast of england atm
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[18:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFCU1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFCU1_chase
[18:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFCU1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFCU1
[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BWELLS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BWELLS
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[19:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> infaddict: testing?
[19:15] <infaddict> hey Reb-SM3ULC - yep! 3 mile distance test very successful
[19:15] <infaddict> My old man has now driven off to a random location 5+ miles away
[19:15] <infaddict> just started tracking him now
[19:15] <infaddict> still decent signal
[19:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> aah
[19:16] <infaddict> and what a night for it: http://i.imgur.com/qkPbkcH.jpg
[19:16] <infaddict> it is out there somewhere ;-)
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[19:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> fsphil, Oh yes that looks a bit wild if it makes it across! Lively evening at present!
[19:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Rain looks like its heading for the SW so might miss me!
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[19:43] <Vaizki> infaddict: happy days then :)
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[19:51] <infaddict> yep Vaizki 5 mile test passed. found a unknown location. job done. beer time!
[19:51] <infaddict> and the payload was on the ground, on its side too. still working great.
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[19:52] <Vaizki> have you tried RDF:ing with your yagi?
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[19:55] <infaddict> yep but only briefly. picked up the same good signal at 5 miles away. faded as i turned etc so working well i think.
[19:55] <infaddict> brb later as have to head home
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[19:58] <day> currently playing around with an ntx2b. if i toggle between 0V/3V i get this result http://i.imgur.com/Q4dktQs.png
[19:59] <day> the peaks are roughly 5.6kHz seperated. shouldnt that be 425hz?
[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=RA4NHY
[20:00] <day> ah nvm
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[20:24] <infaddict> so lesson learned tonight: when in doubt move to high ground!
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[20:33] <Vaizki> muahaha success, I have the pc software for my anritsu signal gen
[20:33] <Vaizki> they finally called me today and wanted to interview me to determine what I am using it fo
[20:34] <Vaizki> for.. apparently there are severe export restrictions on the device
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[20:41] <Laurenceb_> what does the signal gen do?
[20:42] <Vaizki> http://www.anritsu.com/en-US/Products-Solutions/Products/MG3700A.aspx
[20:42] <Vaizki> it's a vector signal generator
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[20:43] <fxmulder> GM at a company I used to work for (who was a EE) decided we needed an anritsu signal analyzer for however many 10's of thousands it cost and then never used it
[20:44] <Vaizki> well I paid a few hundred for this at auction..
[20:44] <fxmulder> always baffled me how they could throw money away but when you ask for a raise that was a non-topic
[20:45] <fxmulder> they spent almost 200k on software and modules for it, and then decided they couldn't use it
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[20:45] <Laurenceb_> i dont understand what it does...
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> i guess a DAC that good is a pita?
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[20:47] <Vaizki> well it's a bit more than a dac.. it can synthesize RF signals with >100MHz bandwidth on carriers up to 3GHz
[20:47] <Vaizki> so for example I can output DVB-T signals, assuming I can first model them ;)
[20:48] <fxmulder> is that your goal?
[20:49] <Vaizki> no, I just wanted an arbitrary signal generator and this came up cheap at auction
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[20:50] <Vaizki> it's complete overkill on every level for anything I use it for.. but hey why not!
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[20:53] <Vaizki> minus side, it's the size of a 80's pc and makes double the noise
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[20:56] <_charlie> Hi Vaizki, did you get to hear UBSEDS?
[20:57] <Vaizki> nope, was out of range
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[20:58] <_charlie> argh
[20:59] <fearnor> ohai
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[21:04] <_charlie> hai fearnor :3
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[21:51] <Vaizki> ok so fully OT but with so many britons aboard here.. http://qz.com/424433/if-you-havent-tried-wild-swimming-heres-what-youre-missing/
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[21:51] <Vaizki> is this for real? swimming in lakes and rivers is somehow extreme in the UK?
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[21:58] <fxmulder> I don't think they mean wild as in extreme, I think they mean wild as in natural
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[22:00] <Vaizki> sure but the whole article makes it sound like an unbelievable sport
[22:00] <Vaizki> like the "How to wild swim"
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[22:02] <fxmulder> sounds like nature lovers pleading to city dwellers to get out of their chlorine-infested shells
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> It is a wilderness sport
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> you have to be skilled to avoid all the old shopping trolleys and cars in our waterways
[22:02] <Vaizki> :)
[22:03] <Vaizki> In the course of their training, he says the brothers met an 80-year-old Faroese woman who swims in the sea every day of the year, and swears by the health-giving properties of the icy ooze.
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[22:04] <Vaizki> I would too if I lived by the se :(
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[22:05] <Vaizki> argh but I gotta sleep, I get to go wild swimming tomorrow at least..&
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