highaltitude.log.20150523

[00:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-46 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-46
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[03:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DL1NBR-11 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-11
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[04:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Charles_6_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Charles_6_chase
[04:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Charlie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Charlie_chase
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[07:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SCHEM - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SCHEM
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[07:14] <michemto> StratosChem has been filled
[07:14] <michemto> we are ready
[07:14] <michemto> almost
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[08:05] <daveake> "StratosChem" ... Chem = Chemicals?
[08:06] <daveake> and something to do with the water pump that you mentioned ?
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[08:19] <Vaizki> !flights
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Current flights: 03StratosChem launch 10(0826)
[08:19] <Vaizki> !dial StratosChem launch
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:20] <Vaizki> !dial StratosChem
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:20] <Vaizki> eep :)
[08:20] <x-f> !dial 0826
[08:20] <SpacenearUS> 03x-f: Latest dials for 03STRATOS_CHEM 10(0826): none
[08:21] <mclane__> it is called SCHEM on habhub
[08:21] <mclane__> !dial SCHEM
[08:21] <SpacenearUS> 03mclane__: Latest dials for 03STRATOS_CHEM 10(0826): none
[08:24] <Vaizki> oh ok sorry :)
[08:24] <Vaizki> 434.425 on the payload doc
[08:25] <Vaizki> I'm royally confused now.
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[08:26] <michemto> STRATOSCHEM LAUNCH! GUYS PLEASE TURN ON YOUR ANTENNAS!!!
[08:26] <daveake> Do we need to raise umbrellas too ?
[08:26] <daveake> What are you doing with "chemicals" ?
[08:27] <Vaizki> How about frequency, shift etc details
[08:27] <daveake> Now you're getting picky :p
[08:27] <michemto> In estonia, 434.075, 50 baud 65 shift
[08:28] <Vaizki> Thanks.. 65? 650 maybe?
[08:29] <x-f> or 600 Hz as in the payload doc?
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[08:34] <Vaizki> I suspect underfill if SCHEM is really launched :)
[08:34] <daveake> Yeah that neck lift thing does confuise people :p
[08:37] <Vaizki> espoo websdr ends at 434.024MHz so I will try with my own lowly (as in altitude) setup
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[08:38] <Vaizki> I see a carrier on 434.074.. probably something else that will swamp my reception of SCHEM :)
[08:41] <x-f> they had it filled 1.5 hours ago
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[08:42] <x-f> is this a built-in hold now? :)
[08:42] <daveake> Obviously missed the "fill last" rule
[08:42] <Vaizki> filled the stratospheric chemical dispersion I guess
[08:42] <daveake> hah :)
[08:42] <daveake> yeah one day I'll get a reply about that
[08:43] <Vaizki> maybe they broke a vial and now they are dead in pools of blood and vomit?
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[08:43] <Vaizki> they got Upu!
[08:43] <daveake> Strong stuff
[08:44] <Upu_> hmm ?
[08:44] <Vaizki> nothing, just bored and waiting for SCHEM to do something
[08:44] <x-f> HE'S ALIVE!!
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[08:44] <Vaizki> he just grew a tail, must be a DNA targeting compound
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[08:45] <daveake> michemto When is the launch ?
[08:46] <daveake> and what are the chemicals ?
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[08:46] <daveake> ah launch at last
[08:47] <Vaizki> whee
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[08:52] <x-f> got it
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[08:52] <petrinm> daveake: they're trying to do elephant's toothpaste experiment in the stratosphere. http://stratoschem.eu/english/
[08:54] <Vaizki> ok nice. I wish michemto had shared that URL ;)
[08:54] <daveake> I did ask a few times :/
[08:55] <daveake> Presumably this is all heated
[08:55] <gonzo_> what has launched?
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[08:56] <ES5TF> Good morning :-)
[08:56] <x-f> Vaizki, 434.078.6, but it seems quite weak
[08:56] <x-f> morning
[08:58] <x-f> shift is 580 Hz
[08:58] <Vaizki> thx.. is are you YL2FZ?
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[08:58] <x-f> no, i'm not on the map yet
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[08:59] <x-f> i don't have a callsign yet, i have the licence though :)
[08:59] <Vaizki> I see absolutely nothing on 434.078 even though I am in range theoretically
[08:59] <x-f> (it's weird, yes)
[08:59] <Vaizki> I don't have either
[08:59] <Vaizki> so I am Vaizki on the map ;)
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[09:03] <x-f> i have only partials so far :/
[09:05] <Vaizki> I have a very feint trace on the waterfall, nothing even remotely decodeable
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[09:07] <ES5TF> stations from northern Estonia and also Latvia started to decode SCHEM
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kuldar_STRATOS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kuldar_STRATOS_chase
[09:08] <x-f> true, it is very strong now
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[09:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Emil_STRATOS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Emil_STRATOS_chase
[09:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N_chase
[09:13] <x-f> Vaizki, do you see it now?
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[09:16] <Vaizki> yes I see it very well but too noisy to decode :(
[09:16] <x-f> ah :/
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[09:16] <Vaizki> my antenna is in a crap place right now, need to get it higher
[09:16] <Vaizki> and probably need a LNA from Upu too ;)
[09:17] <Upu> +1
[09:17] <Upu> come to the conference
[09:17] <Upu> I'll give you one
[09:17] <Vaizki> I am working on it
[09:17] <amell> I have an LNA for sale. I didnt need it in the end.
[09:18] <amell> too much going on round here, probably work far better in finland.
[09:18] <x-f> i have that LNA, it is good, can recommend
[09:18] <es5nhc> quite a nice signal indeed
[09:19] <es5nhc> only frequency drifting badly
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[09:23] <Upu> pulling quite a bit of current that board, is it not a Model A ?
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[09:32] <Vaizki> the signal faded out for me
[09:34] <Vaizki> and it's drifting some
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[09:36] <ES5TF> Hmm.. soon visible from Stockholm
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03romeo_oscar - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=romeo_oscar
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[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Roger_STRATOS_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Roger_STRATOS_chase
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[09:55] <es5nhc> burst?
[09:55] <es5nhc> heard short rapid fading, and now descending
[09:55] <daveake> those are strong clues :)
[09:56] <daveake> 22km; pretty low
[09:56] <daveake> Hopefully their experiment wasn't waiting for higher altitudes
[09:57] <es5nhc> Yeah, I have heard bursts before so as soon as I heard that short and rapid QSB I immediately started looking at altitude string
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[10:02] <ES5TF> I wonder if that balloon was overloaded
[10:04] <garymortimer> They will be glad of every metre left it goes now ;-)
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[10:08] <ES5TF> Yeah :D
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[10:14] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[10:18] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[10:22] <Vaizki> meh.. when wondering why your reception sucks, next time go check the antenna earlier
[10:22] <Vaizki> loose fitting, antenna had slid down the pole 4 meters..
[10:22] <ES5TF> nice thrill :)
[10:23] <Vaizki> will be 200m from the road by the looks of it
[10:24] <garymortimer> pretty impressive reception of schem from ES5PC at low iah level now
[10:24] <garymortimer> low ish
[10:24] <x-f> predicted landing point is for 0 m ASL
[10:25] <garymortimer> inland..
[10:25] <x-f> i hope not in that river
[10:26] <Vaizki> last minute diversion
[10:26] <garymortimer> must be flat there 65km at 465m
[10:26] <Vaizki> it will hit the bridge ;)
[10:27] <Vaizki> and it's down
[10:27] <x-f> so you skipped the zoo, Vaizki?
[10:27] <Vaizki> yea, it was raining
[10:28] <x-f> i see
[10:30] <Vaizki> it might actually be in the river
[10:30] <Vaizki> hope not
[10:33] <ES5TF> hihi
[10:34] <garymortimer> blast
[10:34] <ES5TF> Guys said that basically they saw payload coming down inside the village
[10:34] <garymortimer> still better than teh lake
[10:34] <ES5TF> yeah
[10:34] <ES5TF> this river is not exactly Thames, too
[10:36] <x-f> whoa, seeing the payload landing on the first launch is great, we've never been that close to it
[10:36] <ES5TF> IMHO Emil_Stratos chaser has radio and antennas
[10:37] <ES5TF> let's see if they update last position
[10:41] <Vaizki> I think they went off on foot?
[10:42] <Vaizki> found another reason for my difficulty in tracking
[10:42] <Vaizki> someone is spamming really wideband noise bursts on 434MHz here :P
[10:42] <Vaizki> http://i.imgur.com/HHnzkls.jpg
[10:43] <Vaizki> ignore the strong signal (dunno what that is either) but look at all those horizontal lines
[10:45] Nick change: bertrik_ -> bertrik
[10:52] <garymortimer> which side of the river are you?
[10:53] <garymortimer> is that some sorrt of long fish pond on the eastern side
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[10:59] <ES5TF> that place should be really that long drainage canal
[10:59] <ES5TF> https://www.facebook.com/StratosChem/photos/gm.369245923276118/1609148419329200/?type=1&theater
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[11:03] <Vaizki> good job on the "float" .. :)
[11:05] <x-f> heh :)
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[11:12] <MikkMihkel> STRATOSCHEM RECOVERED
[11:12] <MikkMihkel> Something happened @22800
[11:12] <MikkMihkel> No idea what ;)
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[11:15] <SpeedEvil> Space ducks.
[11:15] <Vaizki> Angry Birds
[11:16] <x-f> congrats!
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[11:23] <ES5TF> Angry Birds, yes! :)
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[11:33] <michemto> Well... we recovered it successfully but yeah... had some issues with one camera
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[11:41] <garymortimer> Well done
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[11:47] <michemto> First experience... will send another one soon again :)
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[11:50] <michal_f_> hello
[11:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TEST - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TEST
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[12:35] <michemto> Thanks for latvian and finnish guys who got so much data for us :)
[12:37] <Vaizki> sorry I got zero data...
[12:37] <Vaizki> my antenna had skipped down the pole it was attached to
[12:38] <Vaizki> and something is causing big interference to 434MHz reception here so hard to receive feint signals
[12:40] <Ian_> So, a minor mechanical defect . . . :)
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[12:41] <Vaizki> slid down the pole actually. ipad autocorrect.
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[12:42] <Ian_> A mere 4 metres . . .
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[12:43] <Vaizki> the whole length
[12:43] <Ian_> My antenna fell down ?
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[12:44] <Vaizki> no its a 4m long aluminum pipe sticking up from my balcony so it clears the roof etc
[12:44] <Vaizki> the antenna is clamped to it but apparent wind vibration has loosened the nuts and it has slid down
[12:45] <Vaizki> it was a temporary setup.. 4 months ago.. :)
[12:45] <Ian_> Could be worse, it might have broken something on it's way down. I put up a greenhouse once, the frame without the glass shook in the wind and lots of nuts and bolts worked loose.over a couple of days.
[12:46] <Vaizki> i need to get a real mast on the roof now that theres no snow or ice there ;)
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[13:01] <ntx2> hello
[13:04] <michemto> No worries, StratosChem 2 will rise soon :)
[13:04] <michemto> So I will report to you soon. Right now at recovery site.
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[13:05] <ntx2> what happened to it?
[13:06] <ntx2> StratosChem 2 that is
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[13:10] <craag> ntx2: recovered successfully apparently
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[13:11] <craag> afternoon Lunar_Lander
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[13:32] <michemto> Well... This HWY 1600 balloon bursted at 22175m... but had just 2350g payload and 5.3m/s ascent rate :)
[13:32] <michemto> So calculator said something 34000...
[13:32] <michemto> No idea what happened, but yeah... one of our gopros stopped prematurely
[13:33] <michemto> It was kind of a good try :)
[13:33] <michemto> We recovered everything so we can try again just with new balloon
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[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[14:00] <michemto> How to get this fancy 3d model of flight data?
[14:00] <michemto> where you can see payload location height and everything in google earth
[14:00] <michemto> or smth
[14:01] <lz1dev> michemto: on the right panel of the tracker, there is link to track with google earth
[14:03] <craag> michemto: RE early burst, see "WooWoo" -> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary
[14:03] <craag> ;)
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5AA-11
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[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5AA-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5AA-12
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[14:07] <michemto> Though luck this time :)
[14:07] <michemto> Gimme advice for next balloon
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[14:07] <michemto> payload weight will stay 2,3kg
[14:09] <lz1dev> when your next balloons nears 20km, cross your fingers
[14:09] <lz1dev> uncross your finger, after 30kms
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[14:11] <lz1dev> You have: 5.3meter/second
[14:11] <lz1dev> You want: minutes/10kilometers
[14:11] <lz1dev> reciprocal conversion
[14:11] <lz1dev> * 31.446541
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[14:11] <lz1dev> so about 30 minutes
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[14:21] <Aernout> hi, is someone available to authorize flight document? 688c9684b5e9d1877796f06379fd5407
[14:23] <lz1dev> Aernout: join #habhub and give your docid tehre
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[14:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-9
[14:39] <michemto> lz1dev - where to can I find this link where I can see google earth and elementry
[14:39] <michemto> tele
[14:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-8
[14:41] <lz1dev> right side panel
[14:41] <lz1dev> if you don't have one click the '?' icon
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[14:46] <michemto> k
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[15:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9AUK-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD9AUK-11
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[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> michemto, If you want the telemetry rather than just the path then http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
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[15:47] <michemto> Estonian youth took the ESC 22175m into the skies to support Estonian song: http://youtu.be/60RhCpbF6D
[15:47] <michemto> Estonian youth took the ESC 22175m into the skies to support Estonian song: http://youtu.be/60RhCpbF6DY
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[16:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
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[17:06] <Ian_> So, was the GoPro battery flat when recovered? Did the chemical experiment operate?
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[17:40] <_charlie> :|
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> the funniest thing was that they replicated my river splashdown
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[17:42] <_charlie> lol
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[17:45] <LazyLeopard> If it isn't a tree, it's a body of water...
[17:45] <_charlie> yeah
[17:46] <_charlie> My last balloon was suspended from a tree - literally about 2mm from the ground
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> almost perfect :)
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> do you know daveake's sidewalk landing?
[17:46] <_charlie> Was quite relieved though, as the balloon got wrapped around the parachute so it was free falling lol
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[17:46] <_charlie> nope
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> like his parachute was suspended from a tree and like it was hanging in the middle of sidewalk
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> and people like kept walking by
[17:47] <_charlie> lol
[17:47] <michemto> Guys... well
[17:50] <_charlie> well?
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> congrats for the first estonian HAB :)
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> as far as I know
[18:01] <Vaizki> not the first...
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[18:03] <Vaizki> fsphil (I think) had a payload hanging from a tree, over a river
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[18:07] <SpeedEvil> I think it was the edge of a lake
[18:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:18] <day> suyuz rocket starts look AMAZING :O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ_ju66UykM&feature=youtu.be
[18:19] <fsphil> Vaizki: that was jcoxon
[18:19] <fsphil> hanging about 1m above a river in holland
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> BallastHalo-4
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> that was one of the first flights I witnessed here
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[18:28] <day> Lunar_Lander: haha i was watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFAKBNEQG7Y
[18:28] <day> and thought DAMN that little red balloon has quite a lift :,D
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABNL-04 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABNL-04
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[18:58] <_charlie> Whats the NOAA weather files called again? I remember the 4GB sized ones I think?
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[19:01] <fox123> hallo all, please how frequency and mode DL1NBR-11
[19:02] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
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[19:03] <AdamDynamic> Hey guys - I've just created my first flight document for a flight from Elsworth tomorrow
[19:03] <AdamDynamic> I read somewhere I need to get it 'approved' in order for it to be added to the list?
[19:04] <AdamDynamic> Is this true? (And if so, can someone help me out? :)
[19:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> think so yes
[19:05] <Reb-SM3ULC> try #habhub also
[19:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes join #habhub and post the Flight doc id the robot will help after that
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> - /j #habhub is the command
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[19:12] <christopherlee> Adamdynamic: Any idea what time you hope to launch?
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[19:18] <fox123> hallo all, please, knows someone how frequency and mode DL1NBR-11
[19:19] <x-f> day, background comments on that Soyuz launch video are hilarous - "we haven't smoked anything yet and there is a cobra in the sky already"
[19:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well its on an APRS frequency 144.8MHz in Europe I would guess!
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[19:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was last heard from 13Hours ago!
[19:21] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: :D
[19:24] <fox123> thanks
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[20:26] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/CMrvett I'm not sure this counts.
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[20:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Maybe launch them from a HAB ? ;-)
[20:34] <Laurenceb_> lol i see someone had wrong mixture ratio
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> I am informed this is a common activity in slovenia.
[20:40] <SpeedEvil> For which you actually have to get a permit. And prove that you're doing it safely
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> wtf
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSfTecVQIE#t=25s - looks like great fun
[20:50] <_charlie> better than eurovision
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:53] <_charlie> having a go at the bristol tracker
[20:58] <_charlie> wonder what AA they used to keep it so light :\
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> L92 id guess
[20:58] <craag> _charlie: The energizer ultimate lithium AA is lighter than an alkaline one.
[20:59] <craag> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
[20:59] <craag> 14.5g
[20:59] <_charlie> Yeah
[21:00] <_charlie> I wonder if the schematic is wrong and it is a AAA not AA
[21:00] <craag> The AAA is 7.5g iirc
[21:00] <craag> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l92.pdf
[21:00] <craag> I think he used an AAA last time
[21:02] <_charlie> yeah it is AAA
[21:02] <_charlie> I'll correct the schematic
[21:03] <craag> Are you part of ubseds too?
[21:04] <_charlie> Nope
[21:04] <_charlie> I'm the founding member of Nottseds :P
[21:04] <craag> Ah :)
[21:05] <Babs> evening everyone - is there anyone on who can approve my flight doc for tomorrow please? thanks
[21:05] <_charlie> Wanting to try out some pico balloons and just thought I'd adapt bristol's rahter than start from scratch
[21:05] <craag> Babs: Post the doc id in #habhub
[21:06] <craag> _charlie: Cool! I'm part of soton uni spaceflight soc.
[21:07] <craag> We're planning to try some picos too - although we have a lora module on our boards so won't be quite as light as richard's
[21:07] <_charlie> Southampton now thats a proper spacey uni
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> evening craag
[21:07] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander
[21:07] <_charlie> What are you planning to do with the internet?
[21:08] <_charlie> mini google loom? :P
[21:08] <craag> the internet?
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> wonder if Tim Berners-Lee ever was asked that question
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[21:08] <_charlie> MOst lora I've seen ahve been for Internet of THings applications
[21:08] <craag> Ah
[21:09] <craag> We've been using it as it's got the link budget to do module -> module from a balloon
[21:09] <_charlie> oh cool
[21:09] <craag> Don't have to mess with ham radio/sdr receivers
[21:10] <_charlie> cant even do ham radio in the UK on a balloon. most annoying
[21:10] <craag> mattbrejza has built a little handheld receiver with a lipo, that links to a phone.
[21:11] <craag> https://twitter.com/SUSpaceflight/status/577463606410944513
[21:11] <_charlie> nice one
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> attn SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bfa9HrieUyQ
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[21:15] <Babs> craag - did that work?
[21:15] <craag> Babs: Yep, you're just waiting for a habhub admin to stop by and approve it
[21:16] <craag> According to the bot, you're uploading data in the future...
[21:16] <craag> There you go Babs
[21:17] <Babs> thanks - no idea why it thinks i am trying to post in the future
[21:17] <craag> It'll be some server/pc clock slightly out, don't worry about it :)
[21:18] <Babs> ok thanks - time to solder the antenna on and fill the balloon. tremendous. in theory.
[21:18] <craag> Good luck!
[21:18] <danielsaul> ยง
[21:18] <craag> THis a float?
[21:18] <danielsaul> oops
[21:21] <Babs> danielsaul - in theory
[21:21] <Babs> thanks for approving btw
[21:22] <_charlie> good luck
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[21:46] <Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullshit+bingo
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> You: "BULLSHIT BINGO!" Company bigshot fancypants: "You're fired!"
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> lolld
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[21:50] <michemto> Hi guys... I'm not going to write the whole story what happened...
[21:50] <gonzo_nb> we used to play a similar game. Each engineer had a word that they had to get into the conversation, and you won when you got the managers to say it/them
[21:51] <michemto> Our first HAB it was and it didn't go as expected. Anyway we filled our balloon with perfect amount of helium and i think the ascent rate was just fine but we got this nice HW1600 balloon which had WoooooooWoooooo coming
[21:51] <michemto> Anyway our system was programmed to conduct experiment @ 30000m
[21:52] <michemto> but the code didn't have this part which could activate water pumps when descent rate increases and altitude not reached.
[21:52] <michemto> So this was our bad...
[21:53] <michemto> But all predictions for 2300g payload, HW1600 ball, 5.3m/s ascent rate gave me 34000m approx
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: neat
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[21:55] <Upu> michemto what ascent rate did you get ?
[21:55] <Upu> and what did it burst at ?
[21:55] <daveake> 6.something when I watched
[21:55] <daveake> Anyway H1600s do sometimes burst early; better with a Totex if you want a specific altitude
[21:55] <Upu> yeah
[21:56] <Upu> not seen an early burst for a few months though
[21:56] <Upu> did it bring most of the balloon back with it michemto
[21:56] <daveake> nope
[21:56] <michemto> Yes it did
[21:56] <Upu> how old was the balloon ?
[21:57] <michemto> approx 5 months in bag which was sent by random engineering
[21:57] <Upu> Suspect you got unlucky
[21:57] <Upu> they have been known to burst early
[21:57] <Upu> but not for a while
[21:58] <michemto> Well... didn't have luck with that but at least we got it from the water... and didn't need a boat
[21:58] <michemto> everything was recovered, so we can try again within 1month :)
[21:58] <Upu> yeah that is a bonus :)
[21:58] <Upu> Was it a Pi In The Sky board ?
[21:58] <michemto> yup
[21:58] <Upu> Using a Model B ?
[21:59] <michemto> B+
[21:59] <michemto> Burst @ 22183 as i saw...
[21:59] <daveake> Why not an A+?
[21:59] <michemto> something there
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[21:59] <Upu> thought as much your current usage was very high
[21:59] <Upu> suspected you'd flow the B
[22:00] <Upu> fly the A+
[22:00] <Upu> will give you twice the battery life ish
[22:00] <daveake> and switch off the monitor
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> lol http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37642.0;attach=832847;image
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> nutcase gui
[22:01] <michemto> But voltage... didn't come down...
[22:01] <michemto> Im not so sure if it was correct data?
[22:01] <michemto> http://puu.sh/hXZvR/cab5fffc4f.png
[22:02] <Upu> well
[22:02] <Upu> you were pulling about 250mA
[22:02] <Upu> so thats about 12 hours battery life from 4 x AA
[22:02] <michemto> mmm
[22:02] <Upu> A+ is about half that
[22:02] <michemto> mmm... well thats good info
[22:02] <michemto> Weird thing for me...
[22:02] <daveake> It's on the pits web site :)
[22:03] <michemto> We had GoPro... it went through rainy clouds...
[22:03] <michemto> and after that our lens was frozen...
[22:04] <michemto> from the inside
[22:04] <Upu> did you have it in a case ?
[22:04] <michemto> Case was closed, no gaps
[22:04] <Upu> yeah
[22:04] <michemto> antifogs in
[22:04] <Upu> fail x 2 :)
[22:04] <michemto> wouch really?
[22:04] <Upu> fairly well documented this
[22:04] <daveake> anti-fogs?
[22:04] <Upu> but here we go
[22:04] <daveake> oh dear
[22:04] <Upu> the GoPro cases are designed to keep outside pressure out
[22:04] <Upu> not inside pressure in
[22:04] <Upu> so as you ascent the inside reduces in pressure
[22:05] <Upu> (you will have noted it was hard to open)
[22:05] <michemto> it was.
[22:05] <daveake> I cover this in http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 too
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> interesting so many people use gopro
[22:05] <Upu> as the pressure drops the moisture contained in the antifogs
[22:05] <Laurenceb_> i find it really buggy
[22:05] <michemto> Ye i understand that but didn't even think about that because leaving gopro open up there... it didn't seem a good idea :D
[22:05] <Upu> boils off
[22:05] <Upu> and condences on the coldest part
[22:05] <Upu> the lense
[22:05] <Upu> and boom
[22:06] <Upu> cloudly
[22:06] <Upu> so if you flew without a case
[22:06] <michemto> So case is no-go and antifog is NOGO x2 ?
[22:06] <Upu> if it gets wet
[22:06] <Upu> the moisture boils off at altitude
[22:06] <Upu> no fog
[22:06] <Upu> certainly drop the antifogs
[22:06] <Upu> they have the opposite effect
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[22:06] <michemto> But I am 100% sure that i read that... I am not sure where
[22:07] <michemto> I will find that tomorrow
[22:07] <Upu> case I wouldn't fly but if you insist make sure it can breathe
[22:07] <michemto> But somebody told that no antifogs...
[22:07] <michemto> its no-go
[22:07] <Upu> remove the seal
[22:07] <michemto> Well im confused now :(
[22:07] <Upu> well its easy
[22:07] <Upu> don't fly antifog
[22:07] <Babs> evening - radiating element 164mm, radials>170mm right?
[22:07] <Upu> don't fly case
[22:07] <Upu> don't fly hand warmers
[22:07] <daveake> >=164
[22:07] <Babs> well, >164
[22:07] <Upu> all 164 is fine Babs
[22:07] <daveake> I use 164; it's plebty
[22:08] <michemto> Well but in case I remove back part of the case... as you know gopro comes in two versions
[22:08] <Babs> ok thanks
[22:08] <daveake> >2
[22:08] <michemto> gopro backs come in*
[22:08] <Upu> 2 work but can fade
[22:08] <Upu> use 4
[22:08] <Upu> anyway congrats on getting it back
[22:09] <michemto> Anyway if I use this open back-part... is this okay?
[22:09] <Upu> just don't put it in a case i think
[22:09] <Upu> is the best option
[22:09] <michemto> Upu, was that last sentence to me... what 2 what 4
[22:09] <eroomde> genocide poilitics for the win!
[22:09] <Upu> the perspex clip case
[22:09] <Upu> michemto no to Babs
[22:09] <eroomde> lol
[22:09] <michemto> k
[22:09] <Upu> evening eroomde
[22:10] <eroomde> wat
[22:10] <eroomde> no
[22:10] <daveake> other TV programmes are available
[22:10] <Upu> right I'm off night all
[22:10] <michemto> mmmmm....wait a moment :D
[22:11] <michemto> We had like pretty open case... and case was good anchor point for gopros...
[22:11] <michemto> string from the bottom of case to the bottom of the payload box.
[22:11] <Upu> you said you couldn't open it
[22:11] <michemto> open what?
[22:11] <Upu> due to the vaccuum
[22:11] <Upu> the case
[22:11] <michemto> yup but when using open back case
[22:11] <Upu> vacuum
[22:11] <michemto> without bags
[22:11] <michemto> then no vacuum?
[22:11] <michemto> i would say.
[22:12] <Upu> you can use an open back without the antifogs and it should be ok
[22:12] <michemto> k. thanks.
[22:12] <michemto> another question
[22:12] <daveake> note "should"
[22:12] <Upu> note "should"
[22:12] <michemto> before gn
[22:12] <Upu> haha
[22:12] <michemto> :)
[22:12] <daveake> use no case --> will be OK
[22:12] <michemto> how did this water thing work anyway...
[22:12] <michemto> Case has higher pressure inside
[22:13] <michemto> so outside should suck it out
[22:13] <daveake> It's sealed
[22:13] <michemto> not press in?
[22:13] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[22:13] <michemto> where did the water come in from
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[22:13] <Upu> the antimist strips
[22:13] <daveake> But the seal is designed for higher pressure outside (e.g. diving)
[22:13] <Upu> boils out of them
[22:13] <michemto> my logic didn't figure this out. sry
[22:14] <Upu> so the thing meant to prevent steaming causes it :)
[22:14] <daveake> It happens a lot
[22:14] <daveake> We recommened against anti-fog, a lto
[22:14] <Upu> I appreciate its all a bit backward but like Dave says they are design to go down not up :)
[22:14] <daveake> People still fly them, a lot
[22:14] <Upu> anyway out !
[22:14] <michemto> Good i have learned more than 2 things so far ;)
[22:14] <michemto> Thanks Upu!
[22:14] <michemto> U da real MVP!
[22:14] Action: daveake sulks
[22:15] <michemto> Dave, are you still there?
[22:15] <daveake> no
[22:15] <michemto> :(
[22:15] <michemto> Had like 9 of those warming bags inside of the payload
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> Did it melt?
[22:15] <craag> handwarmers?
[22:15] <michemto> yeeees
[22:16] <craag> no.
[22:16] <michemto> it didn't melt
[22:16] <michemto> They were handwarmers
[22:16] <craag> Most rely on oxygen - so don't work at altitude anyway
[22:16] <michemto> temperature sensor gave us data of 46 degree up there @ 20000m
[22:16] <daveake> 9 handwarmers + model B Pi
[22:16] <daveake> Guess you wanted it warm
[22:17] <michemto> We wanted to keep chemicals warm up there
[22:17] <michemto> Because there was a really big risk of freezing :/
[22:17] <michemto> They didn't freeze though
[22:17] <michemto> But no warming for electronics needed... (we put 1 bag there too though :D)
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[23:14] <_charlie> So theoretically speaking, is there anything in the UK that legally stops someone from building a rocket big enough to get to the moon?
[23:15] <Laurenceb_> space act
[23:15] <Laurenceb_> you need permission
[23:15] <Laurenceb_> for that read insurance + risk assessment
[23:16] <_charlie> and how hard would it be for someone to get that permission?
[23:16] <_charlie> theoretically speaking
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> who knows
[23:17] <Laurenceb_> probably harder than getting a us citizen to be the nameplate person
[23:17] <_charlie> ?
[23:17] <_charlie> Whats a nameplate person?
[23:17] <Laurenceb_> someone from building a rocket
[23:17] <Laurenceb_> "someone"
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[23:18] <Laurenceb_> he wasnt here for long
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: The application fee for a non-university is 6K
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> This is just the application fee. Actual approval will be _significantly_ more.
[23:19] <_charlie> wow ouch
[23:20] <_charlie> What's the biggest rocket/motor that could be made without that kind of expensive permission
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> The important bit is the controlling entity as Laurenceb_ referred to.
[23:20] <_charlie> Why would it be easier for a US citizen than a UK?
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> FAA have generally nicer procedures for this sort of stuff
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> This means that whoever is in command of the rockets launch needs approval from their national body.
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> for nicer also read defined
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[23:20] <_charlie> Oh a US citizen in the US
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> So if you are in the UK, and launch in the US, then in principle you'd need approval from the CAA too
[23:21] <_charlie> really??
[23:21] <AdamDynamic> I have entered my flight number into the
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> really
[23:21] <_charlie> that is crazy
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> They may choose to waive it through, as the FAA will in practice be dealing with it.
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> This is due to the way the outer space treaties rules are written.
[23:21] <AdamDynamic> I have entered my flight number into the #habhub channel
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> At that time, it was really only envisioned that state actors would launch.
[23:21] <AdamDynamic> Can anyone tell me how to prompt it to get my flight authorised?
[23:22] <russss> I think they're meant to be reviewing the space act stuff, bit ultimately the UKSA license is going to be a rounding error in the budget if you want to send a rocket to the moon :)
[23:22] <AdamDynamic> I asked earlier and was told a robot would take me through some steps, so far nothing though?
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[23:23] <_charlie> True Russ, but sometimes it's nice to think what if I had the cash :D
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> russss: yeah - the USAians just attempted to ram through a bill that utterly ignored it for 'space property rights'
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> russss: but if you want to do a karman line launch...
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> IIRC it failed
[23:23] <_charlie> no idea Adam sorry
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: For the UK, from memory. Rockets under 10 newton-seconds are not regulated at all.
[23:23] <_charlie> I guess big companies liek SpaceX will be pushing for things like that to change
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: larger rockets will need CAA approval to launch. The CAA do not have jurisdiction over rockets that reach orbit, that's the UKSA.
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> - which is two guys in a shed
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> id say they would have to claim their territory with a lander first...
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: they don't care at all
[23:25] <_charlie> 10Ns.. Isn't that enough to lift something about 10ft off the ground?
[23:25] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 10 ft = 3.05 m
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: Spacex doesn't have any interest in making space launch procedures that much easier.
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: a very small rocket could go quite far if already high in the atmosphere.
[23:25] <russss> I think SpaceX seems to be fairly happy with the FAA
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the FAA are one of the ones they have fewest problems with of all the As.
[23:26] <_charlie> lol two guys in a shed
[23:26] <_charlie> Didn't the UK have its own rocket at one point?
[23:26] <russss> I guess UKSA ultimately just doesn't have the budget to make it easier
[23:26] <_charlie> I remember visiting where they tested motors on the Isle of Wight
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: yes
[23:26] <russss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Arrow
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> russss: I'm unsure if there is any actual formal procedure at the moment for approvals.
[23:27] <_charlie> And we gave it up. :|
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> russss: I looked at the list of UK registered space objects, from memory, the last launch registered here was 2003
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[23:27] <russss> there's a big PDF of them somewhere
[23:27] <_charlie> There cant be many nations that developed and then gave up spaceflight
[23:27] <russss> I think the Inmarsat satellites are still UK-registered
[23:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2MRW - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2MRW
[23:28] <russss> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/319953/UK_Registry_of_space_objects.pdf
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/319953/UK_Registry_of_space_objects.pdf
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> actually - I'm wrong
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:29] <SpeedEvil> yeah - some in 2013
[23:30] <russss> 2013, I thought Inmarsat had launched something more recently
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> So there is at least some process in hand.
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> wait
[23:30] <russss> O3B is a thing as well, I forgot about them
[23:31] <russss> O3B launched some stuff in 2014, so either they weren't UK-registered or that document is out of date
[23:31] <_charlie> how cool would it be just to build some massive thing and wheel it out one afternoon and launch it.
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/time_and_cost_of_licences_under
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> For applications for licences from 2007 to the present, what was
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> the average time between the initial contact to the final grant of
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> licence?
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> What was the total of any fees paid to the government for these
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> licences.
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> 'Info not held'
[23:32] <russss> ...
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[23:32] <_charlie> :|
[23:32] <SpeedEvil> I should really have poked them about that - I mean - isn't that their core mission?
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> lol not held
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> I mean - I said after 2007 - I wasn't taking hte piss and asking about the 60s.
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> And there are a couple of dozen satellites tops.
[23:34] <_charlie> LOL
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[23:34] <_charlie> Try asking the Germans about the 40's ;)
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[23:36] <SpeedEvil> I suggest if actually interested, put in a request of your own, and ask if not held by the UKSA - who does?
[23:36] <SpeedEvil> Or perhaps to the SS if they've declaimed knowledge
[23:36] <_charlie> yeah
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> whatdotheyknow is really easy to use.
[23:39] <_charlie> I haven't heard much about the spaceport they were going to make in kingloss
[23:39] <_charlie> kinloss
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> http://www.spaceportscotland.org/
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[23:41] <Laurenceb_> but very BS
[23:41] <russss> they should devolve Space Act powers to Scotland
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> hah
[23:42] <russss> Scotland has all the unoccupied land
[23:42] <_charlie> I was under the impression that it was easier to get stuff into orbit the nearer to the equator you were
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: not that much
[23:42] <russss> depends which orbit
[23:43] <_charlie> ok
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> http://s3.spanglefish.com/s/2747/pictures/lossy/vbig/8.6.-211.jpg - wow. Look at all that space related infrastructure
[23:43] <_charlie> urgh that website plays music
[23:43] <_charlie> XD
[23:43] <_charlie> I loved lossiemouth
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> is that bike padlocked to the lifebuoy ?
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> lol
[23:44] <russss> _charlie: launching from the equator does give advantage to low-inclination orbits (especially geosynchronous because you need to put lots of propellant up). If you want a polar orbit then it's not really so much of an issue
[23:44] <russss> hah
[23:45] <_charlie> okay fair does
[23:45] <_charlie> I wonder if i will live to see someone step on another body in space
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> Foot porn in space!
[23:46] <_charlie> Born too late to explore Earth, born too early to explore space.
[23:46] <_charlie> LOL
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: there are many things you can do to make that happen!
[23:46] <russss> if the US gov doesn't completely defund the asteroid thing, perhaps
[23:46] <SpeedEvil> _charlie: Start by investigating cryogenic freezing.
[23:46] <_charlie> lol speed :D
[23:47] <_charlie> russ i refuse to accept the asteroid thing :P
[23:47] <_charlie> Born just in time to explore dank memes on the internet i guess :P
[23:50] <_charlie> The ban on homemade solid fuel is annoying too
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> you can use EMdrive
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> /troll
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37642.40
[23:52] <russss> I don't think it's *that* hard to get that license actually, depending on how much you want to make
[23:52] <Laurenceb_> its probably a bad idea
[23:52] <Laurenceb_> solid fuel is actually fairly hard to make well
[23:52] <russss> I've been involved in pyrotechnic licenses before and it didn't seem too perverse, but that was storage rather than manufacture
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> you can buy reloads off the shelf
[23:53] <russss> clearly hybrids are the way to go if you want to make rockets
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[23:55] <_charlie> manufacture is illegal under some explosives act form the 1800s
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> russss: to make it, if the legislation I read still applies - you need a full firewrks factory licence.
[23:55] <SpeedEvil> This involves massive berms, and _large_ clearance distances
[23:56] <_charlie> solid fuel may be hard to make well, but easier than a liquid engine :P
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> hybrids are unregulated
[23:56] <_charlie> I think my parents might have something to say about me buying tanks of LOX too :P
[23:57] <_charlie> hybrids are harder to make too :P
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> Peroxide can also work, or nitrous
[23:58] <SpeedEvil> nitrous is even self-pressurising
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately few parents actively support orbital launch activities.
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