highaltitude.log.20150519

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[00:30] <Brolad> Is there any way to get the Habduino to broadcast at the same type of settings as the PITS?
[00:30] <Brolad> On Fl-digi
[00:30] <Brolad> The signals for Habduino broadcasts are much thinner than that from PITS
[00:30] <Brolad> And I have to change the RTTY settings to make the distance between the bars smaller
[00:31] <Brolad> Is there any way to make them the same distance apart?
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[01:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[01:28] <Ian_> Where are you Brolad?
[01:33] <Ian_> The reason why the signals are "thinner" on teh Habduino is because the shift between the two tones at 50 Baud are less than the shift between tones at 300 Baud
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[01:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NSHS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NSHS
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[03:44] <Brolad> Ian_ I'm located in the Midwest USA
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[09:36] <infaddict> Morning all. Anybody got a picture of the connection on a standard Medium sized helium cylinder? Trying to figure out if this regulator will connect to it: http://imgur.com/H6hbMLl
[09:37] <infaddict> The left side connection is the cylinder side with the threaded part spinning to screw onto cylinder.
[09:37] <infaddict> Reason I ask is my mate has offered me this regulator for free
[09:37] <infaddict> He has used it many times for nitrogen cylinders
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[09:47] <gonzo_> it may depend on who's bottles they are? I'd contact your supplier to get the name/spec of the coupling the bottle uses
[09:48] <Vaizki> umm I would think that inert gases like nitrogen and helium share the same fittings / thread
[09:48] <Vaizki> but that thing says oxygen on it which is definitely not inert
[09:50] <infaddict> thx gonzo_ - i've mailed a few helium companys to ask for specs/pictures of their cylinders
[09:51] <infaddict> hey Vaizki
[09:51] <Vaizki> hey hey
[09:51] <edmoore> you can use an oxygen regulator with other gases (nitrogen, helium)
[09:51] <edmoore> but don't even then use it again with oxygen
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> err - even helium?
[09:52] <infaddict> mmm this one has only ever been used for kart tyres which are nitro filled
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> oh
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> oil contamination I guess
[09:52] <edmoore> precisely
[09:53] <infaddict> good thing is my mate has the hose from regulator to tyre trigger inflator and my tube fill now has a tyre valve on it. so should work great assuming it will connect to a cylinder!
[09:53] <edmoore> i can oxygen-clean it for you but it probably wouldn't be that cheap
[09:53] <Vaizki> I don't think he wants it cleaned, just wants to know it will thread onto a He tank :)
[09:54] <infaddict> yep, and i dont think it needs to be cleaned to use Helium right?
[09:54] <edmoore> oh probably. they're almost all just 5/8ths BSP parallel
[09:54] <edmoore> but check
[09:55] <gonzo_> that reg looks like, what I would call a POL coupling. Being O2 is it possibly a RH thread. (POL may refer to LH threads?>?)
[09:56] <gonzo_> but POL is BSP, so probably the 5/8 that ed suggests
[09:57] <edmoore> the odd hab might not justify getting this but it's super useful to have a thread guage in your toolbox
[09:57] <edmoore> especially for larger pipe fittings
[09:57] <edmoore> and a zues table
[09:58] <Vaizki> it seems like the UK, Germany and Finland all use different standards for gas bottle threads
[09:59] <gonzo_> they certainly do for LPG fuel fittiongs
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[10:01] <Vaizki> you mean LPG for cars etc?
[10:01] <edmoore> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fn7szff0txss5cz/2015-05-19%2011.00.44.jpg?dl=0
[10:01] <edmoore> my BSP 1" die
[10:02] <edmoore> anything bigger and it has to be done on the lathe
[10:10] <gonzo_> cars and bottles. And multiple different fittings within the same country for bottled gas
[10:10] <gonzo_> I can think of at least three butane bottle fittings in the UK alone
[10:11] <gonzo_> propane is a little more standard as it has more industrial use. And for installed domestic heating systems
[10:12] <edmoore> we've borrowed this coriolis meter which i think must have been used by cavemen before because it's in quite a state https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtjeubg636mij6g/2015-05-19%2011.10.27.jpg?dl=0
[10:12] <gonzo_> edmoore, and the BSP are all imperial, so needs to be an old imperial lathe (or cnc)
[10:12] <edmoore> threads need re-cutting
[10:12] <edmoore> gonzo_, ours does both
[10:12] <edmoore> need to swap out a gear set tho
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[10:12] <gonzo_> nice. Mine is a bit dated, so only TPI
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[11:49] <tweetBot> @AAHAccountants: #UKhas officially entered into #DEFLATION the #Office for National Statistics confirmed today. So, more ££ in your pocket as prices are down
[11:49] <Upu> lol
[11:49] <Upu> #whyyouspacebarnotwerk
[11:52] <staylo> Sounds like a bad day to launch
[11:56] <cm13g09> somebody had an argument with a keyboard.... the keyboard won......
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[11:57] <tweetBot> @TeaJunkie1: And more ££ on your debts.
[11:57] <tweetBot> #deflation https://t.co/FQDR1sXsxf
[11:58] <craag> Huh wat
[11:58] <craag> How did that get through
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[12:02] <craag> vOv .. updated modules and restarted anyway.
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[12:05] <mattbrejza> 67 ft
[12:05] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 67 ft = 20 m
[12:05] <mattbrejza> yay
[12:12] <Darkside> so does anyone have any python code snippers to do payload upload to habitat?
[12:13] <Darkside> i.e so i can write code to decode a binary payload get the lat/long etc, then push it to habitat
[12:19] <Vaizki> how about https://github.com/ukhas/habitat/blob/develop/habitat/uploader.py
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[12:21] <Darkside> mmk
[12:21] <Darkside> that lets me upload a payload string
[12:21] <Darkside> i guess i can do that
[12:21] <Vaizki> I have not used it myself and it has a bunch of dependencies
[12:21] <Vaizki> so may not be idea
[12:21] <Vaizki> ideal
[12:22] <Darkside> yeah
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[12:35] <danielsaul> Darkside: You'd make new payload_telemetry docs directly in couchdb, using couchdbkit is the easiest way
[12:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BAL253-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BAL253-11
[12:37] <Darkside> danielsaul: maybe
[12:37] <Darkside> tbh generting a fake payload string and pretending to be fldigi is probaby safer
[12:37] <Darkside> less chance of me screwing up during testing
[12:38] <danielsaul> Possibly
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[12:39] <danielsaul> but using couchdbkit is fairly simple, there was an example somewhere, trying to find it
[12:41] <danielsaul> there is also a very simple binary parser built in to habitat, http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/habitat/habitat/habitat/habitat.parser_modules.simple_binary_parser.html#module-habitat.parser_modules.simple_binary_parser
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[12:45] <danielsaul> Darkside: https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/hab-tools/blob/master/send_tlm_to_habitat.py uploads a sentence, but can be modified to upload the data directly instead of the sentence, just look at the schema http://habitat.habhub.org/jse/#schemas/payload_telemetry.json
[12:46] <Darkside> danielsaul: cool
[12:46] <Darkside> thanks
[12:47] <adamgreig> you can't upload data only sentences
[12:47] <adamgreig> you can't upload data, only sentences
[12:48] <Darkside> you missed some more punctuation there
[12:48] <Darkside> also capitals
[12:48] <adamgreig> the comma was to elucidate my meaning
[12:48] <adamgreig> you must upload the binary data, you're not allowed to upload 'parsed' data
[12:48] <adamgreig> the easiest way is this: http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/habitat/habitat/habitat/habitat.views.payload_telemetry.html#habitat.views.payload_telemetry.add_listener_update
[12:48] <adamgreig> but if you know no-one else will upload (eg cuz you're generating the string from your own thing) you can just post a document as normal
[12:48] <danielsaul> adamgreig: Oops
[12:49] <mattbrejza> any msgpack support yet? :P
[12:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE5BNC_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE5BNC_chase
[12:49] <adamgreig> one day
[12:50] <danielsaul> adamgreig: Thought you could bypass the parser, too long since I did it
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[13:11] <I_watch> hello world!
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[13:14] <mfa298> he didn't watch for long
[13:17] <daveake> Needs a recharge
[13:23] <infaddict> well no going back now. permission granted by land owner and application e-mailed to CAA.
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[13:24] <infaddict> i've heard its normal to hear nothing from them until very close to launch day. is a polite reminder required a few days before?
[13:26] <eroomde> yep
[13:26] <eroomde> 3 days or so
[13:27] <eroomde> you'll have a slightly better idea about the weather then too
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[13:28] <infaddict> cool thx ed
[13:29] <eroomde> what date have you asked for?
[13:29] <infaddict> June 28th
[13:29] <eroomde> righto
[13:29] <infaddict> with a few contingency dates in my head (including day after - if i can defer that quickly with CAA)
[13:30] <daveake> They're pretty good at changing dates
[13:30] <infaddict> thats good to hear daveake
[13:30] <daveake> Just let them know 3 days or so in advance, as Ed says
[13:34] <daveake> It's worth checking for local airshows before choosing a date
[13:34] <daveake> e.g. http://britishairshows.com/calendar.html
[13:35] <daveake> That's the only reason I've ever been refused permission
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[13:35] <infaddict> ooh good idea
[13:36] <daveake> fwiw 28th June I probably can't make it
[13:37] <daveake> something about being married on that day ages ago .... :p
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[13:37] <infaddict> haha! no probs daveake.
[13:37] <infaddict> checked airshows and theres a few on 28th but none close enough i should be worried i think
[13:38] <daveake> yeah I already checked
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[13:38] <daveake> I did have one on the same day as an airshow, but after their notam finished
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[13:38] <daveake> 5 minutes after :)
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[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9URZ-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC9URZ-1
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[13:47] <Herman> !flights
[13:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman: Current flights: 03PS-45 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(0f94)
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[13:50] <shewshew> Hi Guys and Girls, I'm new to the world of high altitude tracking, I'm currently planning my own launch. Lots of research involved. Any recommended sights for info and tech?
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[13:51] <craag> !wiki
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: No results for your query
[13:51] <craag> https://ukhas.org.uk/ ;)
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[13:52] <craag> Also http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[13:55] <shewshew> thanks craag!!!
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[13:56] <infaddict> Welcome shewshew. I 2nd the above links as amazing resources to get you started.
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[14:11] <lz1dev> craag: cmon...
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[14:12] <craag> !wiki wiki
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03dokuwiki (wiki) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/wiki:dokuwiki
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03syntax (wiki) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/wiki:syntax
[14:12] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Wiki page 03welcome (wiki) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/wiki:welcome
[14:12] <craag> :P
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[14:15] <lz1dev> sigh
[14:15] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[14:15] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[14:15] <lz1dev> !wiki
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here be the wiki, arr: 12http://ukhas.org.uk
[14:15] <craag> \o/
[14:15] <craag> thanks :)
[14:16] <lz1dev> !wiki antenna
[14:16] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Found 035 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=antenna
[14:16] <lz1dev> that 3 second delay
[14:22] <Herman> bal253-11 is only aprs ??
[14:27] <Ian_> |flight bal253-11
[14:27] <Ian_> !flight bal253-11
[14:27] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[14:28] <Herman> on wat frequentie is bal253-9 ??
[14:28] <Herman> -11
[14:30] <lz1dev> !aprs info bal253-9
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[14:30] <lz1dev> its not aprs ;)
[14:30] <lz1dev> oh
[14:30] <lz1dev> !aprs info bal253-11
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03BAL253-11 was near 03Haut-Rhin, France 10(47.90716,7.5285) at 0325087 meters about 0330 minutes ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/BAL253-11
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03BAL253-11>TW5TT3 via 03qAS,F4CQA
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03/O Speed: 0335kmph Course: 03292° MicE message: 03M1: En Route
[14:30] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03131208097.9%
[14:31] <lz1dev> so 144.8mhz then :)
[14:31] <Herman> tnx info
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[14:33] <craag> iirc the french have a single freq they can use airborne, and it's not 144.8
[14:34] <Herman> craag: is it posible 137.050 ??
[14:34] <craag> Somewhere in 144-146 I think
[14:34] <craag> Can't remember offhand
[14:35] <lz1dev> craag: whats the point of using aprs then :\
[14:36] <craag> off-the-shelf transmitter, common receiver+software...
[14:36] <Ian_> mhz = MHz
[14:36] <craag> It ticks all the boxes for an up-down once you can do 0.5W+ tbh
[14:37] <lz1dev> but you lose the network of stations
[14:39] <craag> They don't have a network of stations...
[14:40] <lz1dev> i wonder how mad hams get if you use WIDE on a balloon in the middle of europe
[14:42] <mattbrejza> you could track the progress of your balloon via annoyed posts on forums
[14:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 0313 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[14:44] <lz1dev> lol
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[14:48] <shewshew> thats funny mattbrejza
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[16:08] <infaddict> I had no idea such a place existed! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32758042
[16:12] <craag> Best place to fly a hab over I reckon
[16:12] <infaddict> ;-)
[16:13] <lz1dev> craag: probably already been done :)
[16:14] <craag> "$$B-64,..." Ah that's it for today then, early home time y'all!
[16:23] <baird> A similar radio-quiet area in Oz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murchison_Radio-astronomy_Observatory
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[16:24] <lz1dev> craag: http://static.rgp.io/2015-05-19_5q7ixehbu4.png
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[16:30] <craag> Spoiling the fun with your facts lz1dev ;)
[16:30] <infaddict> yer!
[16:30] <lz1dev> craag: what me to find out whole flew over
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[17:03] <tridor> hello, I'm considering this for our hab project - http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=75&product_id=104
[17:03] <tridor> does anyone know if it come with an antenna for 434Mhz
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[17:06] <Ian_> I believe that you provide your own antenna
[17:06] <Ian_> !wiki anteena
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: No results for your query
[17:06] <Ian_> !wiki antenna
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: Found 035 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=antenna
[17:07] <tridor> payload antenna guide, brilliant!
[17:07] <tridor> thanks Ian
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[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:11] <Ian_> And here is the pigtail for making the payload antenna http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_66&product_id=88
[17:11] <Ian_> Hello LL
[17:12] <tridor> cheers
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[17:17] <Ian_> And finally package antenna STUFF http://www.amazon.co.uk/CUSTOM-1013-P01013-013-strings/dp/B00J6PXVPG
[17:26] <tridor> errr guitar strings? is that for the elements?
[17:27] <Ian_> The ground plane elements can be formed from two pieces carefully joined in the centre and the radiating element from a third piece passing in one of the angles.
[17:28] <Ian_> At 434MHz it's pretty much self supporting
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[17:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03INFCU1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFCU1
[17:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AVA - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AVA
[17:41] <SA6BSS> har plan på radarn nästan hela tiden, lägg in t-esgj5 under filter så ser du "mina"plan
[18:01] Nick change: Upu_ -> Upu
[18:02] Action: infaddict commences freezer testing ;-)
[18:02] <infaddict> http://postimg.org/image/kt1a5zd7l/
[18:02] <Upu> where is all the actual food ?
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[18:03] <michal_f> inside payload
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[18:04] <infaddict> haha
[18:04] <infaddict> this is the garage freezer which we dont really use (except for xmas)
[18:04] <infaddict> down to -10 on super freeze already
[18:04] <infaddict> thats external. internal stil at +10 so good difference
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[18:05] <infaddict> still a strong radio signal thru the door which i am suprised at
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> nice, it's orange :)
[18:08] <infaddict> yep lifeboat orange paint and duck tape!
[18:09] <infaddict> all seems to be working (-11 now) which is nice. cant tell if cameras still working until i take it out. should finally prove if the light stays on or off haha!
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[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> 145:26:27 Schmitt: Where are the reflections? I've been fooled once. There is orange soil!!
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> 145:26:35 Schmitt: (Very excited) It's all over!! Orange!!!
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[18:09] <infaddict> lol
[18:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> infaddict: -10 C ? of F
[18:10] <infaddict> -11.5C now Reb-SM3ULC
[18:10] <infaddict> and +5.5C internal
[18:10] <infaddict> my code still tx'ing last known good position which i'd forgotten about
[18:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> infaddict: trying to get highscore on upu & daveake flight academy? ;)
[18:11] <infaddict> dunno how cold my fridge goes tbh
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> we had -20°C minimum on the way down last time
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> and all was OK
[18:11] <infaddict> haha Reb-SM3ULC... just trying not to lose all my time and effort mate!
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> -20°C inside, -60°C outside
[18:11] <infaddict> wow
[18:12] Action: Reb-SM3ULC defrosted freezezer last weekend and it went to -29 on the quick-start. Cold.
[18:12] <infaddict> ive engaged super freeze but no idea what that means. will see how low we go ;-)
[18:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HERMES - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HERMES
[18:13] <infaddict> ^^^ rather close to LHR
[18:13] <Reb-SM3ULC> infaddict: me neither, i guess it disconnects thermostat or something
[18:14] <Vaizki> Usually yes, compressor runs continuously
[18:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> i found out that we might have forgotten that mode since last defrost... :/ hope it had some auto-disconnect timer or somehting
[18:15] <Ian_> That would be perma-frost mode!
[18:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> combined with an idiots design for airduct (none) on the topside
[18:21] <infaddict> seems to have stopped at -11.5C lowest in my freezer. internal continuing to slowly drop. 3C now.
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[18:27] <Vaizki> that's a crappy freezer :)
[18:29] <infaddict> Its a liebherr and cost too much, so there you go!
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[18:33] <michemto> Hey!
[18:33] <michemto> Weird things still happening to our payload...
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[18:35] <michemto> PITS config has frequency=434.075 value... Our guys start Pi without antenna, turn in scanner, it gets signal from 434.083... which is normal
[18:36] <michemto> then they connected antenna and it started sending signal @ 434.650
[18:36] <mfa298> michemto: if the receiver is close to the PITS board you may well get various images of the real signal. Getting some distance between the PITS and receiver may help that.
[18:37] <michemto> YEEEES! They did... they went away from board, got signal from 083 and then moved closer - it sent from 083 then!
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[18:37] <michemto> Then they tried 650 and there was silence
[18:37] <michemto> It is really bad anomalie... It happens like twice per 15 testing sessions
[18:38] <michemto> Now they have turned on and off board for several times, it sends out signal @ 083 all the time
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[18:38] <mfa298> antenna on it's own shouldn't change the frequency but it may change what extra images of the signal they can see.
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[18:38] <michemto> .... I dont understand this
[18:38] <michemto> Really f*cked up :D
[18:38] <michemto> There isn't any logic reason...
[18:38] <michemto> antenna couldn't be the reason, that was my first thought too...
[18:39] <mfa298> what receiver are they using to receive with ?
[18:39] <michemto> Last sunday we went testing... and distance between us and pits was approx 2km (trees and terrain between us..) and we got signal from 650 and only from 650... no signal from 085 which was set...
[18:39] <michemto> alinco dj...... scanner
[18:40] <mfa298> other question might be what mode is it set to ?
[18:40] <michemto> dj x11e
[18:40] <michemto> USB
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[18:40] <michemto> No worries... i have worked with that scanner for 3 months
[18:40] <michemto> We have received beautiful pictures...
[18:40] <michemto> One day everything is working like charm
[18:40] <mfa298> but I suspect you're seeing images of the real signal if you're close and/or the tx is overloading the scanner so it doesn't see everything properly
[18:41] <michemto> and then this 650/075 anomalie appears
[18:41] <mfa298> If you only saw the correct signal when 2km away I'd believe that more.
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[18:41] <michemto> but how you can explain that when we got 650 from 2km away
[18:41] <michemto> there wasnt anything on 0875
[18:41] <michemto> 075*
[18:42] <michemto> this ain't logic.
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[18:42] <mfa298> I'd assume it was configured for .650 if you received on .650
[18:42] <mfa298> or there's something off in the rx end (or possibly tx)
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[18:49] <michemto> the one and only txt file has 434.075 value there...
[18:50] <michemto> nobody has set 650 over there..
[18:50] <michemto> never
[18:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL1NBR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-11
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[18:53] <mfa298> my only other comment would be: this is why writing your own code is good, that way you should understand what it's doing and why.
[18:55] <mfa298> my best guess is that the way you've set the frequency is wrong and it's either using the default for that ntx2b or it's mis-interpreting it
[18:56] <michemto> Yeah...
[18:56] <michemto> Will try with 08 = .075000 in conf file
[18:56] <michemto> will disable this our frequency field and use another one which is in comment section originally.
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[20:39] <Laurenceb_> http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US4183156
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> nice patent - original nike stuff
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[20:47] <Ian_> michemto , if I could have a rasher of bacon for everyone that has uttered something like your first [19:38] comment and later realised that they were the cause of the problem, then I would be able to keep daveake in breakfasts for a few months - perish the thought :)
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> long bacon?
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> It's one way of discouraging sloppy thought.
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[21:04] <DL7AD_> evning
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[21:09] <Ian_> Like selling guns to children sometimes . . .
[21:09] <Ian_> Svening :)
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[21:17] <tridor> I'm struggling to decide which way to go on a tracker.....
[21:17] <tridor> PI or Arduino
[21:17] <tridor> ?
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[21:18] <fsphil> if you're not taking pictures or something something complicated, the arduino is fine
[21:18] <tridor> I'd like to build my own but not sure of all the components, gps rx, ntx2b tx, connectors for antennas etc
[21:18] <fsphil> taking picures and transmitting then*
[21:19] <tridor> I will be taking picturs
[21:20] <michal_f> tridor, I'm building my first tracker myself, and I go with raspi
[21:20] <michal_f> there's a wonderful open project pi in the sky - where all problems are solved and in one place
[21:21] <michal_f> so thos is great source of know-how
[21:22] <tridor> Hi michal_f, I've seen the pi in sky stuff,so you're currently building your own tracker, any advise on putting it together?
[21:23] <michal_f> I haven't done much yet - just connected ntx2b and temperature sensors - this was easy
[21:23] <michal_f> how I fight with GPS module
[21:23] <michal_f> other guys will be more helpful I'm sure
[21:24] <tridor> cool, thanks
[21:27] <Reb-SM3ULC>
[21:29] <mfa298> based on the people asking questions, Pi in the Sky might not be as easy as you think. There's a lot of value in building your own system (hardware and software) as you then understand how it works making fixing problems much easier
[21:30] <fsphil> It's always working doing it yourself. it's a lot at first, but broken down each part is really simple
[21:30] <mfa298> unless you're trying to send back live images, you may find the arduino approach is much more reliable (fewer things moving parts to break)
[21:30] <fsphil> always worth*
[21:36] <tridor> I am tempted by the arduino, can anyone suggest links to a good build guide?
[21:37] <Upu> start with the linking to an NTX2 on the wiki
[21:39] <Upu> I make the Pi In The Sky and I would recommend you make your own
[21:39] <Upu> you'll get much more out of it
[21:39] <Upu> and will learn along the way
[21:39] <Upu> be patient and take your time
[21:40] <Upu> and read this http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732
[21:40] <tridor> I do want to build my own, just trying to choose best way and order the right bits, thanks everyone
[21:41] <Upu> sure
[21:41] <Upu> if you do decide to order the NTX2B from Hab Supplies come back and speak to me first
[21:42] <Upu> who was it who bought the NTX2B from Radiometrix directly ?
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[21:44] <michal_f> me :(
[21:44] <michal_f> and I can't reprogram it
[21:44] <Upu> ah yeah
[21:44] <Upu> if you post it to me I'll reflash it with our firmware
[21:45] <Upu> no charge you just pay for the postage
[21:45] <michal_f> for now I don't have a need to do that - but thanks
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[21:45] <Upu> nps offer is there if you want it
[21:46] <tridor> upu, can you help me with a shopping list - ntx2b-fa? GPS on a board I can easily connect to? atennas? ready to order from hab supplies
[21:47] <Upu> NTX2B yes
[21:47] <Upu> GPS depends on the board you're using if its 5V arduino then there is only one suitable
[21:47] <Upu> and see Pm
[21:51] <michal_f> So I connected this uBlox, compiled and run pits code, but the GPS keeps returning 0xFF character all the time
[21:51] <michal_f> this is no-lock or smth. worse ?
[21:55] <Upu> something up with serial coms
[21:57] <tridor> would anyone like to recommend an Arduino board? sorry for all the questions but you guys have the experience
[21:58] <Upu> Uno
[21:58] <Upu> is fine
[21:58] <tridor> ;-)
[22:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TXF1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TXF1
[22:02] <Upu> right I'm off
[22:02] <Upu> night all
[22:02] <Upu> have a read round a few peoples blogs tridor
[22:02] <Upu> cheers
[22:03] <Ian_> Develop with Uno, prepare to target the naked Atmega328p-pu chip for a final device. Develop your tracker and it's software incrementally, so that you are tackling single problem areas at a single sitting.
[22:03] <Ian_> Gnite Upu
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> spent 3 days scratching my head why my code wont parse NMEA anymore
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> new ublox chip uses a different talkerID
[22:05] <chrisstubbs> Rejoice! It was an easy fix
[22:06] <Ian_> Easy fix once you realised what it was?
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[22:29] <chrisstubbs> Yes :P
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[22:37] <Ian_> :)
[22:38] <Ian_> The problem is often not what is the answer, but what is the question to ask.
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> god night!
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> *good
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[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8ERF-5_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8ERF-5_chase
[23:49] <lz1dev> !aprs info n8erf-5
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03N8ERF-5 was near 03Midland County, MI, USA 10(43.63016,-84.34434) at 03174 meters about 03a month ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/N8ERF-5
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03N8ERF-5>APDR13 via 03TCPIP*,qAC,T2SWEDEN2
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03/$ Speed: 032kmph Course: 0391°
[23:49] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03http://aprsdroid.org/
[23:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8ERF_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8ERF_chase
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