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[01:22] <KM4FSW> Thanks Upu: Please let me know when they are for sale
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[03:58] <KF5WYX> hi all.
[03:59] <KF5WYX> I just wrote up my "what went wrong" and wanted to share it as something of a guide to failure... http://etakuramnasmekh.com/2015/05/02/volatus-1-flight-1-botched/
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[07:23] <garymortimer> Now then now then ublox Max 7Q I can see it has a fix from its flashing blue fix light, when connnected via serial and looking at U center I can see sats, but just sends 0's via rtty
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[09:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03zs6gc_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=zs6gc_chase
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[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:42] <garymortimer> this UBlox 7 still driving me nuts, it has a fix but sending 0's in Flextrack, what am I doing wrong?
[09:44] <SpeedEvil> Are you at the north pole?
[09:44] <SpeedEvil> err - I mean off the coast of africa
[09:44] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[09:44] <garymortimer> AH of course
[09:44] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - no idea
[09:44] <garymortimer> well south part yes
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[09:49] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/594750998398140417/photo/1
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah almost
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> maybe next time
[09:59] <garymortimer> Of course it would'nt be that when I rewired the board yesterday I crossed over RX and TX, that would never be the case..............................
[10:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JACKAL2 after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JACKAL2
[10:02] <fsphil> uart dyslexia is a common problem
[10:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[10:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d), 03SP3OSJ 437.7MHz RTTY 100 10(961f)
[10:08] <Lunar_Lander> currently looking at this http://s.gullipics.com/image/u/j/c/5yva5m-lq79lm-oogf/HarrisonNicollElectrometer.png
[10:08] <Lunar_Lander> as you can see, IC3 is driven with +- 5V
[10:09] <Lunar_Lander> what would you do to drive the CAL-1 and CAL-2 lines, if your main micro is at 3.3V? because at 5V, the HIGH level of IC3 is some 3.8V the least
[10:09] <Lunar_Lander> I thought of using a transistor that could switch the 5V from the experiment's supply
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> I would pick a 4053 variant or analog switch that was OK at 3.3V
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> I think you're reading that wrong
[10:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.jawel.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=142_25&products_id=2346&zenid=tulk5rps8jvriubfenjau0ldi6
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> Sorry, nope.
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> 3.5V is right
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> The very simplest way is simply a resistor divider
[10:14] <SpeedEvil> Or several diodes, and a pull-up.
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[10:14] <SpeedEvil> For example, three diodes and a pull-up will make the micros output 1.8V-~5V
[10:15] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[10:17] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
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[10:18] <Lunar_Lander> my idea had been that when I have my 12V "master" battery, that I will have to generate the +/- 5V and +8V that are used anyway with regulators and an inverter
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> I haven't properly parsed what that circuit does.
[10:21] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[10:22] <Lunar_Lander> they measure atmospheric charge, in fact they measure a current at the electrode, as the balloon on which it is mounted moves by the charges
[10:22] <SpeedEvil> Do you have a construction notes - because construction for that will matter as much as circuit design
[10:23] <Lunar_Lander> I got the paper I got the picture from
[10:23] <Lunar_Lander> they don't say that much about the construction unfortunately :(
[10:23] <Lunar_Lander> https://myshare.uni-osnabrueck.de/f/27274108c0/
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmc6042.pdf
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> As a first cut - read the datasheet - see 'air wiring' and 'guard rings
[10:27] <Lunar_Lander> OK thanks
[10:27] <SpeedEvil> you will absolutely need to put it inside a dry box.
[10:28] <SpeedEvil> to avoid the least hint of condensation
[10:28] <SpeedEvil> Or alternatively, heat it to ~40C or so
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[10:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[10:36] <SpeedEvil> Also - contacting the author is not a bad idea perhaps
[10:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea I agree
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[12:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GarysCar_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GarysCar_chase
[12:20] <tweetBot> @AmsatUK: J43VHF AEOLUS-2way balloon with 144.220 MHz SSB transponder launches on Sun May 10 http://t.co/KqCZ8REZtG #amsat #hamradio #hamr #hab #ukhas
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[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3EKD-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3EKD-1
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[13:10] <SpeedEvil> There is currently an ice-cream van making the rounds outside.
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> It is at the moment 6.9C, and the wind is gusting to 30MPH, with about 15mm of rain in the last hour.
[13:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Great for ice-cream
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[13:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB3SVY-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB3SVY-2
[13:32] <bertrik> hm, ice cream is nice for any weather
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[14:02] <SpeedEvil> In principle, if you're inside.
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> Having to go out into the blowing rain to get one will put most off though.
[14:05] <lz1dev> !aprs ping AEOLUS*
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[14:05] <lz1dev> !aprs ping J43VHF*
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest contact: 03J43VHF-11 10(14 days ago)
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[14:55] <garymortimer> how would I pull a KML from a short hop this afternoon? Jackal2
[14:56] <garymortimer> ah seen
[15:02] <lz1dev> garymortimer: http://spacenear.us/tracker/datanew.php?format=kml&vehicles=JACKAL2
[15:12] <garymortimer> Thanks verys much
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[15:26] <AdamDynamic> I'm testing my fldigi/SDR radio for the first time, trying to get it onto the habhub tracker map
[15:26] <AdamDynamic> I've think I've followed all the steps on the PITS site
[15:27] <AdamDynamic> It refers to checking the "online" button in fldigi though
[15:27] <AdamDynamic> Can anyone point me in its direction?
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[15:35] <garymortimer> @Adam - DLClient - Online - You add your callsign and location in the configure menu from the drop down, if thats what you wanted.
[15:37] <AdamDynamic> Hi
[15:38] <AdamDynamic> On the configure drop-down menu, which option is it that I need?
[15:38] <AdamDynamic> (I can't see anything called 'DLClient' anywhere?)
[15:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> https://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[15:39] <AdamDynamic> Hmm, my menu doesn't have that tab
[15:39] <AdamDynamic> It has Autostart and IO after 'WEB'
[15:40] <AdamDynamic> No 'DLClient' though
[15:40] <AdamDynamic> Have I installed the wrong fldigi?
[15:40] <AdamDynamic> (Is there a 'wrong' fldigi?)
[15:40] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[15:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> u have two one calked hab mode
[15:40] <craag> !wiki dl-fldigi
[15:40] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Found 034 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=dl-fldigi
[15:40] <SA6BSS-Mike> both have them though
[15:41] <craag> AdamDynamic: You're after dl-fldigi
[15:41] <craag> It's a fork, with HAB stuff added
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> evening craag
[15:41] <AdamDynamic> Ah, I see
[15:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> downlod from here https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[15:41] <craag> Good evening Lunar_Lander
[15:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> 3.1 is the latest wit hab mode
[15:42] <AdamDynamic> I downloaded the fldigi package from somewhere else (the original git page I think)
[15:42] <AdamDynamic> I'll install the dl- version and give it another try
[15:42] <AdamDynamic> Thanks all!
[15:54] <AdamDynamic> Probably a stupid question, but does dl-fldigi work on windows?
[15:54] <craag> Yes
[15:54] <daveake> AdamDynamic, You have it now anyway, but the pits support pages do link to dl-fldigi see http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=decoding-with-dl-fldigi
[15:55] <AdamDynamic> Ah, I was looking on the GitHub page, I've seen the binary download, thanks again!
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[16:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-12
[16:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-13
[16:23] <hyde00001> daveake - saw you here a few mins ago in log. Just wanted to offer thanks for yesterdays advice re making my tracker frequency agile. Your suggestions/guidance worked a treat.
[16:24] <daveake> cool
[16:25] <hyde00001> Nearly ready to commit to hardware design at least - lost of people seem to make/use lovely PCBs which are are whole new thing. Any comments/suggestions on using simple stripboard instead - it it really much better to make PCB???
[16:26] <adamgreig> yes
[16:26] <adamgreig> it's slower and takes longer and is a bit more expensive, for one-offs
[16:26] <adamgreig> but there's just a bunch of things you can't really (or easily) do on stripboard, it's a faff, it's not repeatable, bla bla
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[16:26] <adamgreig> bad for radio maybe
[16:28] <AdamDynamic> daveake - quick question on the 910 'custom shift' on the RTTY config - the PI_SKY_PLUS payload document seems to be set up with the default shift of 880Hz, am I correct in thinking that these should be the same thing?
[16:28] <hyde00001> Mmm can you elaborate more on the bad things that stripboard brings as advantages (cheap/fast) seem high to this newbie... Fr example, I was wondering if short-circuit risks might be higher on strip board...
[16:29] <daveake> AdamDynamic When you create a payload doc, just use whatever shift you actually have on your tracker
[16:30] <adamgreig> if it's one of the first things you've done then sure, it might be nice to go with stripboard
[16:30] <adamgreig> it is quicker and easier to do one-offs of things, and if all your parts are through hole and fairly simple anyway then no biggie
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[16:30] <adamgreig> it's worse in numerous boring ways that matter a lot for commercial/industrial uses and less for hobbyists making one of something
[16:31] <AdamDynamic> I'm using a PITS tracker and have set it up using the PITS support page http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/index.php?id=support
[16:31] <AdamDynamic> (At least I've tried to follow all the steps, though I'm still feeling my way with a lot of this)
[16:31] <daveake> Just look at the signal in dl-fldigi; the shift should be obvious
[16:34] <hyde00001> adamgreig - helpful. I've got three chip(ish) things (ucontroller, GPS breakout board, NTX2B) along with a handful of resistors, capacitors and a temp sensor. I've played with Eagle for half an hour and it looks nightmare for someone who doesn't understand the paradigm (or can identify the "correct" resistor out of the 8 billion different designs available) so I think for my first try I might go with stripbaord...
[16:35] <AdamDynamic> Hmm, I know almost nothing about radio so I'm afraid nothing is 'obvious' to me :) I just wanted to mention it as from looking at the documentation, my expectation would be that the 910 shift referenced on the PITS guide and the 880 'shift' referenced in the payload config would be the same? If they aren't supposed to be the same, I'll go back to figuring out what else I'm doing wrong :)
[16:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-car - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-car
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[16:45] <adamgreig> hyde00001: fair enough! you can experience with these things and eventually the stripboard becomes too limiting or annoying and you swap to a PCB
[16:45] <adamgreig> i guess my first "hab tracker" was on stripboard too!
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> mine too
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[16:48] <hyde00001> adamgreig - even more encouraging for cheap/simple!
[16:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> AdamDynamic, They are the same thing, the exact amount of shift is not that critical at the baud rates being used.
[16:50] <hyde00001> Lunar_Lander - thanks 2 votes for not ALSO having to learn Eagle...
[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> indeed
[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> learn KiCAD
[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:50] <hyde00001> Geoff-G8DHE-M - thanks for advice yesterday on frequency agile techniques - tracker now behaving itself
[16:51] <AdamDynamic> Geoff-G8DHE-M Ah ok, thanks Geoff
[16:52] <AdamDynamic> My PITS output is being translated perfectly into the output window of my fldigi install but I can only see pieces of my signal in the dl-fldigi install and a lot of noise otherwise
[16:52] <AdamDynamic> I was hoping that the 880vs910 difference was what was driving that
[16:53] <hyde00001> AdamDynamic - can you share a picture of your dl-fldigi window/waterfall
[16:53] <AdamDynamic> Of course, give me 2 mins...
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> AdamDynamic, You probabll have the bandwidth set to low the red strips above the two frequencies.
[16:55] <AdamDynamic> The two running side by side: http://i.imgur.com/NTkRw1Z.png
[16:55] <AdamDynamic> The red stripes are narrower on the dl-fldigi install than the fldigi install
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You have the the two decode freqencies too far apart and not sufficent bandwidth, rifhr click the word RTTY in the lower
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> left corner and adjust the seperation and the bandwidth settings
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You have about 600Hz seperation
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you need a bandwidth of about 600Hz as well
[16:57] <AdamDynamic> Just changed it to 600
[16:57] <AdamDynamic> The previously-red checksum has now turned green,which is encouraging
[16:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You also have Squelch SQL on turn it off
[16:58] <AdamDynamic> Do I turn off the 'AFC' also?
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nt unless you want it to wander off tune ;-)
[16:59] <AdamDynamic> I'll leave it where it is then :)
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> With AFC on Automatic Frequency Control, it will centre the two channels on the centre frequency
[16:59] <AdamDynamic> The transmission strings are now streaming consistently in the dl-fldigi version
[17:01] <AdamDynamic> The parser logtail is telling me that it can't find my callsign though, on to the next step... :)
[17:01] <AdamDynamic> Thanks Geoff
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you created a Payload doc and are you sending two $$ ahead of the callsign ?
[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your sending lowercase callsign that might be the problem as you have speicified uppercase
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03e3spce - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=e3spce
[17:06] <AdamDynamic> Ah, I entered it as uppercase in the *.txt config file in the PITS boot folder, I'll update the payload config
[17:06] <AdamDynamic> In fact, it beat me too it!
[17:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It may UC it anyway on parsing
[17:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> your on the map as well now
[17:08] <AdamDynamic> I think it it LC'ing it on parsing, it was a quick fix though
[17:08] <AdamDynamic> *it is
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah I see a new Payload and its working
[17:10] <AdamDynamic> Thanks a lot for taking the time to help, Geoff - I think I would have been here for days otherwise :)
[17:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> nps its what the channel is for ;-)
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[18:04] <jet_> Hello, I was wondering if anybody would be able to help me get a telemetry string for a habduino?
[18:04] <jet_> I know how to change the callsign and that, but I don't know how to get the string to input to habhub
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[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3BJG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3BJG-11
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[18:12] <BK_> hello,
[18:13] <BK_> i had a question to the date that a HAB must send
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> It has to be in iambic pentameter.
[18:14] <BK_> is there any Information which format the data must have to be recocnised by dl-fldigi
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[18:15] <SpeedEvil> https://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> may be useful
[18:15] <daveake> Unless you playing back old data from the tracker then you don't need to send the date
[18:16] <BK_> thank you that seems i m looking for
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[18:34] <blah> Hello, I was wondering if anybody here would be able to tell me where I can get an 'example telemetry string' from habduino?
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[19:09] <DL7AD_> could someone tell me, who is responsible for the suws websdr?
[19:10] <craag> hello :)
[19:10] <DL7AD_> hi craag. do you?
[19:11] <craag> Yep, I'm Phil M0DNY.
[19:11] <DL7AD_> no if you are responsible for the sdr
[19:11] <craag> Yes
[19:12] <craag> I think..
[19:12] <craag> I am responsible for it.
[19:13] <DL7AD_> craag: PM
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[20:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ZINOO3 after 038 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZINOO3
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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