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[01:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GAS-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GAS-8
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[03:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[05:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5RPC_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5RPC_chase
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[05:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPVRI-1 after 039 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SPVRI-1
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[06:01] <Reb-SM3ULC> morning
[06:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OM3KAA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OM3KAA-11
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[06:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning all
[06:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> !flight SPVRI-1
[06:22] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[06:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> !payload SPVRI-1
[06:23] <SpacenearUS> 03SP9UOB-Tom: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[06:27] <lz1dev> !id 1bd5d7418d32e813d79799c7c399dfbd
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03SPVRI-1 10(1bd5d7418d32e813d79799c7c399dfbd, not approved, 1 payload)
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Project 03PITS by 03Dave Akerman
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Window: 03Last Thursday at 23:00 UTC to 03Tomorrow at 22:59 UTC 10(Europe/London, +1)
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 03Today at 04:00 UTC from 03Spisska Nova Ves 10(48.94116,20.53625)
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/monocle/?uri=habitat/1bd5d7418d32e813d79799c7c399dfbd
[06:27] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: 03PI_SKY_PLUS 10(2 months ago)
[06:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi lz1dev
[06:27] <lz1dev> that must be it
[06:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> no frequencies
[06:28] <lz1dev> doesnt have a approved doc
[06:28] <lz1dev> ;)
[06:28] <lz1dev> !id 21c2a5a2e1bf660a9af84973eb80688d27922f501cc3ae0c18709aa08c4cd4ab
[06:28] <SpacenearUS> Payload telemetry 0321c2a5a2e1bf660a9af84973eb80688d27922f501cc3ae0c18709aa08c4cd4ab 10(parsed) raw: 03$$SPVRI-1,1683,06:28:22,49.02885,20.91525,10495,141,59,12,14.8,6.7,123*60D2
[06:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: did You saw my private messages ?
[06:31] <lz1dev> yes
[06:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> EPIC5 irc client is not so epic ;-)
[06:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway
[06:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have question: is it posibble to add payload data parser to IRC bot?
[06:32] <lz1dev> what do you mean?
[06:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> ie: im talking to specified channel with data: $$SPVRI-1,1683,06:28:22,49.02885,20.91525,
[06:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> 10495,141,59,12,14.8,6.7,123*60D2
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[06:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> and bot inserts it into habitat database/infrastructure
[06:33] <lz1dev> yes
[06:33] <lz1dev> but why would you want that?
[06:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> this should make easier developing of non-standard clients/receivers
[06:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> ie LORA/ WSPR
[06:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> irc client libraries are available
[06:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> D-STAR IRCddb is working that way
[06:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> and also... observing activity with standard IRC client would be nice :-)
[06:38] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[06:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[06:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Brian
[06:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: have 20 m antenna ?
[06:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Tom.
[06:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes ive seen your post, but dont hear anything on 140836 beside some ham trafic
[06:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> try to listenn 100mW balloon beacon at 14.070.46
[06:47] <lz1dev> !flights
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d)
[06:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill try that qrg
[06:47] <lz1dev> !payload SPVRI-01
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[06:47] <lz1dev> !payload SPVRI-1
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03SPVRI-1 10(218d) 03$$SPVRI-1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/880Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[06:48] <lz1dev> !dial SPVRI-1
[06:48] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest dials for 03SPVRI-1 10(218d): none
[06:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> it is 10 kHz lower :-)
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[06:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> What mode Tom ?
[06:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> CW
[06:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R
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[06:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> it is between strong psk31 stations
[06:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> on 14070.46 cw mode now, but only hear psk
[06:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> now it is stronger
[06:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Can´t find it here
[06:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> have it @70cm
[06:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> $SPVRI-1,2188,0652:16,49.06293,21.29327,15819,40,107,12,9.9,6.7,123*361D
[06:54] <lz1dev> !dial SPVRI-1
[06:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest dials for 03SPVRI-1 10(218d): none
[06:54] <lz1dev> :[
[06:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> lz1dev: dial 434.651,53
[06:55] <lz1dev> !payload SPVRI-1
[06:55] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Payload 03SPVRI-1 10(218d) 03$$SPVRI-1 - 03PIE with sensors 300 baud - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/880Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[06:55] <lz1dev> as it says ;)
[06:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> but very weak - maybe he forgot to connect the antenna :)
[06:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what are the on/off time for that HF beacon?`
[07:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> no idea brian
[07:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> nothing now
[07:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> txing now
[07:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[07:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got a strong psk´er on 14070.46
[07:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> not so good QRG for QRPP experiments :-(
[07:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no its abit heard to hear anything among those strong signals
[07:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hard
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[07:08] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: cw-id on 14070 or?
[07:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> or ?
[07:09] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: 08:47 < SP9UOB-Tom> try to listenn 100mW balloon beacon at 14.070.46
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[07:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> it transmist something like om3<something/AM balloon OUT 100mW
[07:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reb-SM3ULC: very weak here (strong PSK siglals didnt help) but i have line-of-sight visibility
[07:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> WOW S5 now :-)
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[08:00] <sq5kvs> hi all
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[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SerenityChase_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SerenityChase_chase
[08:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> bye for now
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[08:24] <sq5kvs> ground controll to major TOM :)
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[08:34] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
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[08:38] <sq5kvs> Hi Artur
[08:39] <Chetic> d'oh, didn't have to add "Chase" :p
[08:39] <x-f> is it airborne?
[08:40] <Chetic> no, delayed
[08:40] <Chetic> expecting launch within an hour
[08:40] <Chetic> my first go, so bear with me :)
[08:40] <x-f> cool, cool
[08:42] <sq5kvs> Chetic: do you have any prediction?
[08:42] <Chetic> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=2c4b6df74af9c0ee345199b59ace667a14caf832
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[08:44] <x-f> that's a very nice prediction, 13km range
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[08:46] <daveake> so many trees
[08:47] <Chetic> haha brits ;)
[08:47] <daveake> haha HABs
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[08:48] <Chetic> yes there is a retrival plan for a tree-landing
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[08:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> If you reach 33km i should be able to hear it here in Denmark
[08:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like 20km alt should do it
[08:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 560km to launchsite, and 20km alt should give ~570km range
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[09:14] <SP3OSJ> Hi I have a question Is the old map Google - balloon works? If so, what is the Web address
[09:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !track Serenity
[09:15] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Serenity
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[09:16] <SP3OSJ> No, it is not. I want the old map
[09:17] <G8KNN> http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ar.us/tracker/legacy.php
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php
[09:18] <SP3OSJ> oh my god how many balloons. How to remove them?
[09:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Why not use the new version ?
[09:19] <SP3OSJ> The new map is illegible
[09:20] <SP3OSJ> weak reading height weak reading who receives a balloon.
[09:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Which browser do you use ?
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[09:21] <SP3OSJ> Someone broke down map and blocked the old map
[09:22] <SP3OSJ> Explorer and chrome and firexof
[09:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK not quite sure what the problem is then, perhaps try using Google Earth I much prefer that method myself!
[09:23] <SP3OSJ> The old map is a good new map is to damper
[09:24] <sq5kvs> hm I prefer the new :)
[09:25] <SP3OSJ> How to choose the old map one balloon?
[09:26] <SP3OSJ> hm I prefer the old :)
[09:27] <SP3OSJ> can someone clear story flights old map?
[09:27] <SP3OSJ> please!
[09:27] <Upu> holy cow
[09:29] <Upu> I don't know what should be on there
[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Go to Settings , select Settings Tab and filter by callsign
[09:29] <Upu> what flights are live right now ?
[09:30] <SP3OSJ> How to give Settings (Filter) is automatically load new map
[09:31] <sq5kvs> something like that
[09:31] <sq5kvs> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php?filter=sp3osj
[09:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yer just found that!
[09:31] <SP3OSJ> please full screen
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php?filter=Ser*
[09:33] <SP3OSJ> OK UPU you are great I am satisfied
[09:33] <sq5kvs> Geoff-G8DHE-M: I cant see the RB2 on the map :D (and the chase), hyhy
[09:33] <Upu> lol
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CS5PBA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CS5PBA-11
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[09:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Wonder how its going at the Serenity launch...
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[09:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SA6BSS Tjena, are you ready to track totday?
[09:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> today
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[09:45] <Chetic> ok going out to inflate
[09:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Chetic Tjena, thanks for the update
[09:46] <SA6BSS> OZ1SKY_Brian: Im @ work but will try this remote
[09:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> R
[09:46] <SA6BSS> everything up and running @ home
[09:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Super, should ba able to hear it here as well, if it goes above 17-18km alt
[09:48] <x-f> Chetic, it will be 7 or 8 bit ASCII? i remember there was some confusion on this
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[09:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> x-f: 8-bit i think was the last info
[09:51] <tweetBot> @horizonqmgs: Horizon's #sunchaser in the news: http://t.co/cwSAfKkui6 A big thank you to @WalsallAdv #ukhas @Rapid_Edu @Proto_Pic http://t.co/1oU6DTRNH6
[09:51] <x-f> ok, thanks
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[10:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP3OSJ after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP3OSJ
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[10:13] <sq5kvs> RB2 launched :)
[10:14] <sq5kvs> SP3OSJ: What are You up? :)
[10:14] <Chetic> x-f: 8bit
[10:14] <Chetic> Serenity launched
[10:15] <sq5kvs> SP3OSJ: its real launch or just tracker tests
[10:15] <sq5kvs> ?
[10:16] <sq5kvs> Ok, I see now on sp7pki
[10:17] <x-f> Chetic, you're not uploading from the launch site?
[10:18] <Chetic> rtl sdr trouble
[10:22] <SP3OSJ> These are not tests! This is a real flight!!!!
[10:24] <Chetic> lol
[10:24] <sq5kvs> ok ok, I;m on map now :)
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GarysCar_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GarysCar_chase
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[10:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Reb-SM3ULC do you hear Serenity?
[10:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> OZ1SKY_Brian: nothing
[10:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok you should
[10:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> yepp
[10:44] <Reb-SM3ULC> have one 7 el yagi in the direction ang also my trusty simple dipole
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[10:45] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:46] <Dread> hai
[10:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Chetic do you have a dial freq for your ballon?
[10:47] <Chetic> 434.075Mhz
[10:48] <Chetic> pretty sure it died when it hit the ground on release
[10:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok the info i had said 434.65
[10:48] <Chetic> strange
[10:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok you dont have a signal?
[10:48] <Chetic> nope
[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh no :-(
[10:50] <Chetic> it's ok pretty much expected :)
[10:50] <Chetic> learned SO much!
[10:51] <Reb-SM3ULC> Chetic: .075 instead of .650? nothing on both fqs
[10:51] <Chetic> the ntx2 model is made for 434.075 at least
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[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[10:56] <x-f> payload doc has .650
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[11:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> SP3OSJ: floater?
[11:17] <SP3OSJ> yes
[11:17] <Reb-SM3ULC> (just checkin) :)
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[11:39] <TT7> SP3OSJ what kind of balloon are you using?
[11:40] <SP3OSJ> 90cm silver
[11:42] <TT7> I see, do you have any expectations on how long it might stay afloat?
[11:44] <Laurenceb> someone should try removing the alu from one of those party balloons
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[11:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STREEK - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STREEK
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[12:22] <PE2G> !flights
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d), 03SP3OSJ 437.7MHz RTTY 100 10(961f)
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[12:25] <PE2G> Good morning, anyone who knows the freq of STREEK (Germany) ?
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !dial STREEK
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[12:33] <adamgreig> anyone good at Makefiles
[12:33] <adamgreig> I need to brutalise one
[12:33] <adamgreig> I am including a makefile that defines the all rule but I want to change a thing halfway through without actually changing the included makefile. lol
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[12:39] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.398.8 , 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[12:40] <PE2G> SSDV: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:45] <PE2G> !flights
[12:45] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d), 03SP3OSJ 437.7MHz RTTY 100 10(961f)
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[12:48] <PE1ANS> payload streek ?
[12:48] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.398.8 , 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[12:49] <PE2G> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:50] <PE1ANS> tnx
[12:52] <PE2G> PE1ANS: I have Receive filter bandwdth 400
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[12:58] <PE1ANS> PE2G dank je was eff zoeken maar heb RX
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STREEK_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STREEK_chase
[13:00] <PE2G> For me too, no info on this flight
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[13:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WD9HFT-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WD9HFT-11
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[13:26] <PE2G> Tjalling_PE1RQM: STREEK on 434.398.8 , 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[13:27] <PE2G> Make it 434.399.2 MHz
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[13:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I don't receive him very well, because of a building in that direction. Thanks
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[13:29] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Although its getting better now
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[13:32] <fox123> hallo all, please how frequency and mode STREEK
[13:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Hi Fox, not tested, but PE2G said it is STREEK on 434.398.8 , 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
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[13:33] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Or 434.399.2
[13:33] <fox123> TNX 73
[13:33] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Good luck :)
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[13:34] <PE2G> Nice imagery from STREEK of a thick cirrus layer : http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[13:34] <jet_> Hello, I was wondering if somebody here would be able to explain the habhub tracking a bit better?
[13:35] <jet_> I'm getting a Habduino, and a SDR dongle with an aerial to track it.
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[13:35] <jet_> Does this mean that, once the software starts decoding the signal and transmitting to the server, the balloon should appear on the map?
[13:36] <jet_> Also does anybody here have any recommendations of an SDR dongle + radio to use?
[13:36] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Yes, if you choose to connect your software with Habhub
[13:36] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> The Wiki explains a lot I hope: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk
[13:37] <jet_> I've read the wiki a lot, I don't understand some of it >_>
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[13:37] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I use DL-fldigi (start in HAB mode) and a RTL dongle. Works fine for me
[13:39] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I you use some kind of a translation tool, maybe my webpage can help a bit: http://www.pe1rqm.nl/hab/
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[13:40] <thasti> !dial STREEK
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> 03thasti: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[13:40] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.398.8 , 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[13:40] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> 434.399.2 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[13:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03charlie_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=charlie_chase
[13:41] <PE2G> Or rather 434.399.2 MHz
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[13:44] <thasti> can hear it
[13:46] <PE2G> !flights
[13:46] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d), 03SP3OSJ 437.7MHz RTTY 100 10(961f)
[13:47] <thasti> getting stronger, but a bit too weak to decode
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[13:57] <jet_> tjalling, that web page was very helpful
[13:57] <jet_> Unfortunately my knowledge falters concerning the signal
[13:58] <jet_> Do I need to get an external 70cm antenna for the dongle, or just use the cheap one supplied with it?
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE7RQW-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE7RQW-9
[14:01] <jet_> The one I'm looking at is £16 on amazon.
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[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE5QVG-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5QVG-12
[14:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KE5LWQ-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KE5LWQ-13
[14:05] <PE2G> jet_: What antenna are you looking at on Amazon?
[14:05] <jet_> This one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Receiver-RTL2832U-Compatible-Packages-Guaranteed/dp/B009U7WZCA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430575527&sr=8-1&keywords=sdr+tuner
[14:06] <jet_> That's the SDR dongle that has the correct tuner as specified on the wiki. It comes with an aerial, but I'm not sure if that'd be enough.
[14:06] <PE2G> jet_: That one will probaly work reasonably well on the roof of a car or other metal surface
[14:07] <jet_> I also googled "70cm antenna" and there's quite a few of them on ebay.
[14:08] <jet_> Unfortunately I have no idea of the quality/specifications that I'd need...
[14:08] <jet_> (to track my own balloon)
[14:08] <scrapit85> Try https://www.cosycave.co.uk/category.php?id_category=61 for the dongles
[14:08] <PE2G> For tracking from home, I´d look at a directional antenne (yagi) like this one: http://www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html
[14:10] <jet_> I am looking to launch a balloon away from home in field, then chase it down afterwards.
[14:11] <jet_> scrapit85: There's a lot of choice there. Are some better than others? What should I go for and why are those better than the reciver I linked to?
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[14:12] <PE2G> jet_: Then the amazon antenna will probably do (on a car roof)
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[14:17] <sp6ryd> STREEK QRG?
[14:17] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.399.2 MHz, 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[14:18] <sp6ryd> tnx i will try in next hour
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[14:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Sorry Jet, I was away. Simplest is an omnidrectional antenna, like the Diamond X30 or X50. A yagi antenna is better, but you need a way to rotate these
[14:24] <zeta> on tracker.habhub I have worked out that the blue circles are the horizon based on the balloon's height, what what are the green circles?
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its the 5 degree horizon, you should be able to get a signal by that time
[14:26] <jet_> Diamond x30 or x50.. ok
[14:27] <jet_> Would this do for an antenna? (And would it plug into the sdr dongle?): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/281555885866?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&rlsatarget=&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108
[14:27] <zeta> I have not heard of this, is the 5 degree horizon due to the antenna on the payload transmitting mainly 'downwards'?
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[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That would be fine when mobile in the car, but a small directional Yagi 5 elements might also be useful for when its lost in a field
[14:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Jet, I think it will work for shorter ranges. It needs a metal surface to be mounted on.
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[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The green circle is just to give a feel for when you should be able to get a good signal
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[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your not getting a good signal by Green then either your screened trees/buildings /hills or something is wrong ;-)
[14:30] <jet_> I'm putting a SPOT trace in the payload as a backup so I probably won't need a "yagi". I'll get an omnidirectional and stick it on the car roof.
[14:30] <jet_> Of course I'll test this all first before I actually launch...
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[14:30] <jet_> So how does the balloon position appear on the habhub map?
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Good luck! SPOTs don't have a good reputation and expensive when lost!
[14:30] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Dont forget to get yourself the right adapter to connect the antenna to the dongle
[14:30] <jet_> SPOT is just as a backup
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[14:31] <jet_> Let's say I launch but somehow my radio doesn't pick up the balloon signal. Would other people still receive it and I'd be able to see it on the map?
[14:32] <jet_> Or do I have to pick it up and decode for it to appear?
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander> others contribute
[14:32] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> If other people receive the signal, it will automatically apprear
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Provided you have completed the Payload and Flight doc's then yes, you need the Payload doc to tell Habhub how to decode the signal, and the Flight doc, to store the results of a flight and advertise it.
[14:33] <PE2G> jet_: You can watch that in action right now: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicle=STREEK
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You don't launch unless you can decode the signal yourself at the launch site! If you can't read it why will others!!
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[14:34] <jet_> Geoff, I know, but I'm talking about if I lose the signal after launch.
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[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That's OK and to some extent expected if your directly under the balloon, but some have been known to think its just the Rx and launch still only to find iwas the Tx!
[14:35] <jet_> I plan to use a "Habduino", how can I know the "blue circle" range to make sure it can be detected?
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[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The Blue circle is the Line of Sight range
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[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the radius of the Horizon
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> at a given height
[14:37] <jet_> So the green is the detection?
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[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its just a guideline to suggest that you should be Rx it by then given a reasonable Reciever.
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> not aall aerials and locations will be able to see the LoS horizon.
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> A good aerial up high with a decent Rx will get it at the Blue LoS circle, but anything less might have problems.
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[14:39] <jet_> I see.
[14:39] <jet_> So do I get my "string" for the flight document from the software...?
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[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hopefully your coding the software and know what the telemetry strin is ging to be!
[14:41] <jet_> I am using a habduino
[14:41] <jet_> circuitboard shield for arduino
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your relying on other people to code it for you, you might have problems!
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You really need to understand the code and what it is doing as a minimum.
[14:44] <jet_> I will understand the code, but I don't understand how I get the telemetry string.
[14:44] <jet_> Do I make it up, or is it automatically assigned?
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> you code it
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> then you enter it into habhub
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> so that the system knows what the variables are
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> When you understand the code then you will understand what the string will be as you will have cjosen the format.
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If your expecting it to be Plug and Play, you might be disappointed.
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The codethat it comes with is at Github https://github.com/HABduino/HABduino
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> when you have understood it, it will have been a great lesson
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> trust me
[14:47] <jet_> I read all the documentation, but nowhere does it mention a string...
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[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you looked at the code rather than thedocumentation ?
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[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your going to have to change the Callsign as an absolute minimum!
[14:50] <bruno_> !payload STREEK
[14:50] <SpacenearUS> 03bruno_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:50] <jet_> Geoff, I have done so
[14:50] <jet_> I know how to change the callsign in the code.
[14:50] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.399.2 MHz, 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[14:50] <jet_> But I don't know how to get a string. It says Suggestion to lock variables when making the telemetry string
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> did you read this already? https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:51] <bruno_> thank you
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah I meant jet_
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> damn, didn't see PE2G
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> sorry!
[14:53] <zeta> i am watching STREEK, it has gone up another 10 km from the predicted burst altitude, is this unusual?
[14:54] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: Do you know the STREEK crew? There wasn´t any info on this flight.
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> no, sorry
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[14:55] <PE2G> STREEK burst
[14:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AGGIE2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AGGIE2
[14:55] <lz1dev> zeta: default prediction burst is 30km
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[14:56] <zeta> did STREEK not submit flight docs?
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> hmm Düsseldorf
[14:56] <Lunar_Lander> that rings a bell
[14:57] <lz1dev> zeta: there is no way to alter the default values
[14:57] <lz1dev> during the flight they will be adjusted automatically
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> PE2G, http://www.strato-geeks.de/?cat=26
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> that's them
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> pi in the sky ascent to 40 km was planned
[14:57] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: Tnx!
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[14:58] <Joekul> and on what freq is STREEK V?
[14:58] <PE2G> STREEK on 434.399.2 MHz, 8N1, Shift 920 Hz , 300 Baud
[14:59] <Joekul> The payload conf says 434.400...
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> so they barely met their goal
[15:01] <PE2G> Yeah, nice altitude.
[15:01] <jet_> How should I test my tracker without actually launching a flight?
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[15:02] <jet_> i.e. How can I see map position before I actually launch, so no payload doc
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[15:02] <x-f> you need a payload doc to get on the map, you don't need a flight doc when testing
[15:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC5NXD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC5NXD-11
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> jet_, you get the baord running and then receivev the signal locally using dl-fldigi in HAB mode and it will send the decoded string to habhub to decode and display.
[15:04] <jet_> So I have to make a payload doc while I test
[15:04] <jet_> Then when I plan to launch, I should make a flight doc?
[15:04] <jet_> Doesn't that just mean the map will register the "test" as a live flight and people could chase after it?
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> PE2G, also, memories
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> I was just 1000 m from the launch place last summer
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> there were it says Kaistraße
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes that's the sequence, the Flight doc refers t the Pauloaddoc and provided the signals have been seen and decoded then the Flight doc will be authorised
[15:06] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: I was surprised by their launch location, so close to Dusseldorf Airport: http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-05-02--12-32-17-STREEK-230B.jpeg
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> seems like DFS gave their OK
[15:07] <PE2G> Can be quite busy there
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:11] <PE2G> STREEK transmitting RTTY intermittently now.
[15:11] <PE2G> And many strings without time and gps
[15:12] <PE2G> Beep tone only now
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[15:13] <jet_> Is that a bad thing?
[15:14] <PE2G> Yeah, no position info anymore
[15:15] <zeta> does this typically happen on descent?
[15:15] <PE2G> No
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No normally you want to track it to landing point or pretty close!
[15:15] <jet_> I'm looking at STREEK on habhub and it looks like it has all the info
[15:15] <jet_> apart from velocity
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nothing for 9 minutes at 13.6Km long way to go before landing!
[15:17] <zeta> what might cause the signal loss?
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[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> flat batteries, damaged payload from violence at burst, frozen electronics etc.
[15:18] <PE2G> Distorted intermiitent RTTY from STREEK now. Unusable.
[15:19] <PE2G> Shift has become 630 Hz
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[15:20] <PE2G> Lost signal slowly. Seems to me that the battery has gone.
[15:24] <PE2G> Last partial decode from STREEK: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.9898+8.2243 , Alt 9795 m, time 15:10 UTC
[15:25] <lz1dev> hopefully theres a backup for recovery
[15:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK4KDA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK4KDA-11
[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W7UQ-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7UQ-6
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[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-8
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[15:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-9
[15:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KT5TK-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KT5TK-11
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[16:28] <hyde00001> I wonder if someone can help me become "Frequency Agile"? Try as I might I can't seem to shift the Tx frequency on my NTX2B... I have a logic pin and a hardware serial Tx pin connected to En, but no joy moving from default frequency...
[16:28] <fsphil> nice images from streek
[16:29] <fsphil> though, did it reset?
[16:29] <daveake> looks like it
[16:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WD4CFN-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WD4CFN-11
[16:29] <daveake> wonder what batteries it has
[16:29] <fsphil> yea just reading scrollback. that sounds like flat battery
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[16:29] <daveake> ditto and ditto
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[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> hyde00001, Are you making the logic pin input or tristate before sending serial data to the module ?
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[16:42] <hyde00001> Geoff - Mmm you answer is at the edge of my understanding, The logic pin is high when i want to transmit RTTY, but in my attempt to change frequency I sit it low then have a small delay then talk serial to the En pin
[16:43] <hyde00001> The serial seems OK, as I can (fro debugging) route it to an FTDI interface where it seems to make sense
[16:43] <hyde00001> for debugging
[16:43] <daveake> Don't drop the pin low before Txing
[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The logic pin is normally used for controlling the Enable function, you want this turned off I would imagine neither high or low whilst sending data to the pin for programming it, so either make it the pin an input or tristate (disconnected as an output)
[16:44] <hyde00001> OK I'll try that
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you have a circuit for the baord your using it on ?
[16:46] <daveake> The enable pin should stay high till you start sending your message to it
[16:47] <daveake> If you pull it low manually that's going to look like the start of a serial byte
[16:47] <Ian_> hyde00001 is it an NTX2B or an NTX2B-FA that you have? If you bought from HAB Supplies in the UK then you probably have the NTX2B, but if you purchased from elsewhere then you may have a basic NTX2B which is not frequency agile, or at least not in the same way
[16:47] <Ian_> Are you UK based?
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[16:48] <Ian_> I would hate to see daveake wasting bacon barbecue time on the wrong beast
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[16:49] <daveake> the horror
[16:49] <fsphil> mmm
[16:49] <Ian_> :)
[16:49] <hyde00001> UK NTX2B purchased from HAB supplies
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[16:50] <hyde00001> Still digesting the other suggestions
[16:50] <daveake> Connected to what? Arduino? Pi? Something else?
[16:50] <Ian_> OK just thought it wise to establish the base line. Thanks
[16:50] <hyde00001> Arduino (ish) actually a Teensy 3.1
[16:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you have circuit diagram you can link to ?
[16:50] <hyde00001> works at 3.3v lots of i/o and x3 hardware serial in a small footprint
[16:51] <daveake> OK, and you have a regular GPIO pin connected to the enable pin?
[16:51] <daveake> or a serial pin?
[16:51] <hyde00001> No diagram (maze of wires on breadboard, but I could draw one...)
[16:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah a maze of twisty wires eh ?
[16:52] <hyde00001> 2 pins connected to en - (1) a regular i/o pin (2) the TX pin of a hardware serial
[16:52] <daveake> no, a twisty maze of wires
[16:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> directly connected no resistors ?
[16:52] <hyde00001> direct no resistors
[16:52] <daveake> hyde0001 nooooo don't do that
[16:52] <daveake> You *only8 need a hardware serial pin connected to it
[16:52] <Ian_> . . . DRAW ONE please
[16:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> in that case the GPIO needs to be turned into an INPUT whilst your sending it data from the Tx pin
[16:53] <daveake> Yeah, but don't do that
[16:53] <daveake> Just use the h/w serial pin
[16:53] <daveake> You can still write set values to the pin if you want
[16:53] <daveake> to enable/disable the radio
[16:53] <hyde00001> And to set the En high I send a serial message?
[16:53] <daveake> No
[16:53] <daveake> Tx outputsare normally high
[16:54] <daveake> If you send a message it'll wiggle the pin low and high, then when it's done the pin will go high again
[16:54] <hyde00001> aaaah
[16:54] <daveake> so the only time you need to do anything else is if you want to disable the radio
[16:54] <daveake> at which point just send the pin low
[16:55] <daveake> then high when you want to transmit again
[16:55] <hyde00001> helpful, so after I finish sending the FA commands I can just leave the Serial open and the En pin will stay High?
[16:55] <daveake> You can, or you can close the port. Makes no difference.
[16:55] <daveake> close it to be tidy
[16:56] <hyde00001> If I close the port it should still say High? Is that right?
[16:56] <daveake> should do
[16:56] <hyde00001> (I'm much better at molecular biology than electronics and radios...)
[16:56] <daveake> but easy to send it high manually if you have to
[16:57] <hyde00001> Ok lots of helpful advice there, I'll go and play for a bit... Some mention of resistors, do I need one between En and Serial Tx??
[16:57] <daveake> no
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No just use the serial pin alone
[16:57] <Vaizki> if you are using NTX2B my advice is to tie the EN to VCC permanently (assuming 3.3V operation at least)
[16:58] <daveake> He's setting the frequency
[16:58] <Vaizki> that way if everything goes wrong, at least the NTX2B is transmitting a carrier until the battery runs out
[16:58] <Vaizki> ah ok
[16:58] <daveake> So tying EN to VCC permanently would be a bad idea
[16:58] <Vaizki> sorry ;
[16:58] <Vaizki> ;)
[16:59] <hyde00001> I started with En and Vcc connected to 3.3v but obviously that doesn't allow me set the frequency...
[16:59] <hyde00001> Thats works fine btw...
[16:59] <Vaizki> I was considering reading the backlog but hey IRC is like a diary, write only.. :)
[16:59] <daveake> :)
[17:00] <hyde00001> Other than, trying to understand more, I'm doing this on the assumption that its useful to be agile - I've noted some Power users on here change their frequency to "get out of the way" of muppets like me who are flying at the same time...
[17:02] <Ian_> Can't be too much of a muppet then. Seems like a good strategy.
[17:02] <hyde00001> There are almost too many FA frequency options ("EA" of them). Again I'm assuming that some a "cleaner" than others when flying around the UK. Do any of you pick then like that or is it just a bit random?
[17:03] <hyde00001> pick them
[17:03] <DL7AD> could someone run a hysplit for sp3osj?
[17:04] <Ian_> Aiming for 25kHz channels I believe?? Just note the iffy frequencies, such as .650 which is a repeater input I believe
[17:05] <Ian_> Outlandish thought, 10k pullup to 3.3V would satisfy the Vaizki concern and be practical for manipulating the frequency from the Arduino.
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[17:07] <Ian_> BBL folks
[17:09] <hyde00001> Ian - OK so avoid 650, any others to stay away from? The comment about 25kHz I didn't understand - is that the minimum sensible/allowable frequency difference between transmitters?
[17:12] <Ian_> I think it's channellised, but am rushing out the door atm. The better to not crowd people. daveake will be able to tell you for certain.
[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DC2EH-9 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-9
[17:29] <SA6BSS> DL7AD: made a hysplit earlier today, it would take sp3osj up north following the western russian border up to the arctic
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[17:31] <lz1dev> !hysplit add sp3osj
[17:31] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03sp3osj to defaults
[17:31] <lz1dev> !hysplit run sp3osj
[17:31] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[17:47] <malgar> i would like to know if Leo Bodnar has launched any other balloons since he stopped months ago
[17:47] <DL7AD> malgar: nothing heared so far.....
[17:47] <malgar> ok
[17:48] <malgar> and you?
[17:48] <DL7AD> if i know anything about him? no
[17:48] <malgar> are you the one near Regensburg? right?
[17:48] <DL7AD> nothing
[17:48] <malgar> noo
[17:48] <malgar> if you launched anything
[17:48] <DL7AD> no in berlin
[17:48] <malgar> ok
[17:51] <malgar> and what are those two balloons above portugal and france?
[17:52] <SA6BSS> k6rpt-11 is an aprs ballon on it second turn around the globe
[17:53] <SA6BSS> the otherone stoped tx:in hours ago
[18:03] <Jededu> ping daveake
[18:03] <daveake> pong
[18:04] <Jededu> PM :)
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[18:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[18:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:23] <alexozer> is anybody here
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:24] <alexozer> seems pretty quiet imo
[18:25] <Vaizki> with a one minute sampling time you might miss spurious signals
[18:26] <Vaizki> I recommend at least a month
[18:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:45] <hyde00001> Aaaah. Success. Many thanks to Geoff-G8DHE-M, daveake & Ian_ . With your advice my tracker is now frequency agile. Splendid. FWIW, although all three options (1:leaving serial open, 2:closing serial & 3: closing serial and setting i/o pin high) worked, option 3 seems to be the most reliable/quickest to settle down for my setup. Thanks again!
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[19:01] <Laurenceb> K6RPT-11 going strong
[19:02] <Laurenceb> im confused by the battery voltage
[19:02] <Laurenceb> on the CNSP site they say it has no battery
[19:02] <Laurenceb> maybe they just stuck a supercap in there?
[19:06] <highflyer> hi everyone, I have the ntx2 and I'm using it with an arduino to do rtty. i was told here to buy some resistors to get the correct tx shift. I currently have a 4k7 resistor on the 5v line and another on the gnd. I also have a 47k on the tx pin. Is this right because the transmitter does not appear to be transmitting any signal?
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[19:19] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/DzZ8c0U.jpg
[19:21] <mattbrejza> 'buy some resistors' -> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2125-Resistor-Starter-Kit-5-1-4-w-E12-Complete-Series-/361091536452?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5412bb9644
[19:21] <mattbrejza> (or similar)
[19:21] <mattbrejza> there are cheaper ones
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[19:22] <highflyer> yeh, would you happen to know if those resistor values are correct? i'm really struggling here
[19:23] <mattbrejza> https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1368727224
[19:26] <highflyer> ah great, hadn't seen that specific article before
[19:28] <highflyer> very helpful, thank you
[19:28] <mattbrejza> np
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[19:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HYDEST001 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HYDEST001
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[20:31] <Herman_> !flights
[20:31] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Current flights: 03Serenity Maiden Flight 10(dd6a), 03SPVRI-01 10(218d), 03SP3OSJ 437.7MHz RTTY 100 10(961f)
[20:37] <Herman_> !dial dd6a
[20:37] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Latest dials for 03Serenity 10(dd6a): none
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[21:14] <Ian_> Comparison between the Diamond X series and Watson W Series 2m/70cm Base Station Vertical (colinear) Antennas Source: radioworld.co.uk (02 May 2015) Diamond X30 3dB/5.5dB Pwr 150W Type 1/2, 2x5/8 Length 1.3m Weight 0.9kg connector ?? Cost £54.95 Watson W30 3dB/6dB Pwr 150W Type 1 /2, 2x5/8 Length 1.15m Weight 0.85kg connector SO-239 Cost £49.96 Diamond X50 4.6dB/7.2dB Pwr 200W Type 6/8, 3x5/8 Length 1.7m Weight 0.9kg Connector
[21:15] <Ian_> Ho hum, optimistically thought that it might insert five lines instead of a jumble. Perhaps it's something that could be usefully put in the wiki so that the comparison of colinears available can be considered.
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[22:00] <chris_99> http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm is very cool
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[22:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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[23:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KB8BKZ-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KB8BKZ-8
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