highaltitude.log.20150425

[00:16] <fsphil> have you tried turning it off and on? (sorry)
[00:20] <fsphil> seriously though, if you can get it into CW mode then it shouldn't be more than just toggling it on and off
[00:33] <esculca> no
[00:33] <esculca> that's not the issue
[00:33] <esculca> i have it working in lora mode
[00:33] <fsphil> ah
[00:33] <esculca> but when I switch it to ook mode
[00:33] <esculca> it seems to get stuck in lora mode
[00:37] <esculca> you use ook mode to make the rtty, correct?
[00:45] <fsphil> unsure, I've only used lora
[00:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IK2TGW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK2TGW_chase
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[03:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC2DIJ-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC2DIJ-1
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[04:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03JACKAL2 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JACKAL2
[04:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6COG-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6COG-12
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[05:22] <garymortimer> going to ask for a permission if anyone is about in a minute for the Howick guys
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[05:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS6COG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS6COG-11
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[05:57] <JDat> Hello there!
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[05:57] <JDat> Please confirm Zinoo3 flight document 04483679779cd1d753bb18d7c7ac3957
[05:57] <JDat> We are going to the sky today
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[06:24] <garymortimer> morning all need a payload approved nspace1
[06:25] <garymortimer> its been at #habhub and im not sure i have done it right
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[06:31] <garymortimer> hi sending packets from an unapproved callsign i can't see it on the logtail is that normal
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[06:32] <Vaizki> payloads and callsigns are not approved, just flights are
[06:33] <garymortimer> ok the flight doc was there, is there anyone about that can approve? Sorry the guys from Durban did'nt get to this last night
[06:33] <Vaizki> you should be able to test with any payload doc, it just won't show on the dl-fldigi main window selection box
[06:34] <garymortimer> ok, they also have aprs so it might just be that, the fog lifting here now
[06:34] <garymortimer> does this look right 04483679779cd1d753bb18d7c7ad25bb
[06:35] <garymortimer> sorry to ask I just came to watch this launch ;-)
[06:36] <garymortimer> ok I see it in the logtail now
[06:37] <garymortimer> no configuration doc, is that the approval??
[06:37] <x-f> NSPACE1?
[06:38] <x-f> it's missing a payload doc for that callsign
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[06:38] <x-f> well, there is one, but without parser config
[06:40] <garymortimer> ok let me add that
[06:40] <garymortimer> thats genpayload
[06:40] <x-f> yes
[06:41] <x-f> start from existing - nspace1 - add parser config - wizard - paste one sentence - ..
[06:42] <garymortimer> ok, sorry i did'nt set this up so not sure what was missing
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[06:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03NSPACE1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=NSPACE1
[06:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC15 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPIC15
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[06:51] <garymortimer> Thanks very much guys, the Durban guys think i know what im doing now
[06:51] <garymortimer> getting ready to launch
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[07:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZS5LT-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZS5LT-11
[07:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP9UOB after 038 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SP9UOB
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[07:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GarysCar_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GarysCar_chase
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[07:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DK0OD-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DK0OD-11
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[08:12] <garymortimer> howdo all
[08:13] <garymortimer> their balloon is away and im on a hill following
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[08:23] <Jededu> !flights
[08:23] <SpacenearUS> 03Jededu: Current flights: 03XABEN-88 10(3b28), 03MM4 10(3063), 03APJ09 10(a030), 03June Sky BAC Flight 10(c957)
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[08:49] <garymortimer> packet has stopped is that normal
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[09:08] <garymortimer> cripes now its only vic and i tracking
[09:08] <garymortimer> its going to go well below my horizon at burst
[09:08] <garymortimer> quick
[09:08] <garymortimer> ah theres the ham stuff back
[09:10] <garymortimer> i wonder if they dare retrieve it from where its going, very dangerous area
[09:10] <number10> what balloon are you tracking garymortimer
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[09:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[09:26] <Neil_M0CJM> Morning all
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[09:36] <JDat> Hello!
[09:37] <JDat> Please confirm Zinoo3 flight document caf2c71c37f31cb73b6a78b36026ec6d
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[09:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Your better posting that in #habhub
[09:37] <JDat> Ohh tnx
[09:43] <Neil_M0CJM> Are we still all go for MM4?
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[09:47] <christopherlee> Hope so, not herd anything except google group info
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[09:48] <garymortimer> Nspace1 in south africa
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[10:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM4
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[10:08] <Mark_B> Good morning
[10:08] <christopherlee> Morning
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[10:09] <RocketBoy> hi folks - livestream at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqVD94oq5_0
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[10:11] <daveake> cheers
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't rush someone has broken the GE KML feed from the tracker!
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[10:21] <RocketBoy> dropped back to 720 stream at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFEto87xoHs
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes
[10:21] <Nyamazane> Doing well with our launch nspace1
[10:22] <Nyamazane> NSPACE1 soon to pop
[10:22] <RocketBoy> we should be live
[10:23] <christopherlee> Looks to be working on that url
[10:23] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB - Live launch stream for MM4 & XABEN88 http://t.co/47Kkx9EANO and tracking here http://t.co/9S6Cch7glm #ukhas #hab
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[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your repeating a slightly erlier stream
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[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah have it now
[10:25] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: HAB - MM4 Launch video stream is https://t.co/wc2yjcpdEz #ukhas #hab
[10:26] <edmoore> this is jolly serious
[10:26] <edmoore> i love it
[10:26] <daveake> hah
[10:26] <daveake> Got this running on the TV from an XBMC Pi now
[10:26] <daveake> SteveTV
[10:26] <edmoore> i like steveTV
[10:27] <christopherlee> hehe
[10:27] <daveake> I think we've found the next Clarkson
[10:27] <daveake> Hope he's got some hot bacon butties
[10:27] <edmoore> anyone new to hab should definitely be watching this live stream right now
[10:28] <fsphil> overmodulation
[10:28] <edmoore> you can see exactly how a fill and release happens
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[10:28] <edmoore> hopefully people on here who've done it before can answer questions and fill in blanks for anyone new
[10:29] <christopherlee> Pretty impressive. I assume Steve has a very good uplink?
[10:29] <daveake> teeny gas bottle
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[10:29] <edmoore> good uplink and a proper video camera with good glass on the front, by the looks of things
[10:30] <christopherlee> did catch a few reflections of rig early on the other feed
[10:30] <fsphil> yea proper optical zoom
[10:30] <daveake> this is making webcam+batc look a bit crap
[10:30] <edmoore> and tight depth of field
[10:30] <edmoore> yes
[10:30] <fsphil> I wonder what handheld camera provides a stream
[10:30] <edmoore> but i think the person with the camera is a pro or at least v serious am
[10:30] <edmoore> copuld be a 5D or something
[10:31] <edmoore> with a proper lens
[10:31] <christopherlee> did look like a possible DSLR on a hand held rig
[10:31] <edmoore> you can see the bg of steve is nicely thrown out of focus
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[10:31] <edmoore> so it's not a webcam with a 0.1mm aperture
[10:31] <fsphil> hehe, he's doing that tracking thing again
[10:32] <christopherlee> Makes waiting to track a bit more interesting
[10:32] <fsphil> something written on the balloon
[10:33] <daveake> yeah saw that
[10:33] <daveake> must be a totex thing
[10:33] <daveake> though I don't recall seeing that on the totex I used recently
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[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR0FLY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY
[10:34] <fsphil> this is so fast
[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SR0FLY-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SR0FLY-5
[10:34] <daveake> lot less wind than here right now
[10:35] <daveake> that's quite heavy hose
[10:35] <fsphil> valve on the balloon end of the hose. good tip
[10:37] <fsphil> is this the actor playing Steve in the UKHAS film?
[10:37] <daveake> Yeah, Robert Downey Jnr as Helium Man
[10:38] <fsphil> looks like a phone number
[10:38] <christopherlee> said highly inflammable i think
[10:38] <fsphil> oh maybe. that'd make more sense
[10:39] <christopherlee> had to full screen the feed to try and see
[10:40] <fsphil> very good
[10:40] <daveake> textbook
[10:40] <fsphil> he runs better than me
[10:40] <daveake> hah
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[10:42] <fsphil> stormy skies
[10:43] <darkstar-2001> Very strong sig here - but lots of local interference.
[10:43] <fsphil> wren in the background
[10:44] <edmoore> there should be a post-watershed edition
[10:45] <edmoore> do you think the large antenna mast has something to do witb steve's uplink bandwidth?
[10:45] <edmoore> a dish to a local 4g tower?
[10:45] <edmoore> there's one by the A-road just south of elsworth
[10:46] <tweetBot> @daveake: Watching a HAB launch on the big screen from SteveTV #UKHAS http://t.co/AE50D7zyBm
[10:46] <fsphil> was thinking that
[10:46] <fsphil> it's overkill for just tracking
[10:47] <fsphil> and the cable is connected to the wifi device on his roof
[10:49] <daveake> Hurry up Steve I have to go out in 15 mins :)
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[10:49] <daveake> ^ I didn't see him move
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[10:54] <bertrik> !payload MM4
[10:54] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Payload 03MM4 10(3063) 03$$MM4 - 03Primary - 03434.651 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[10:55] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03uX5 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=uX5
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM4chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM4chase
[10:59] <bertrik> oh, wow, PE1ANS is already receiving it
[11:03] Nick change: ms7821_ -> ms7821
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[11:04] <daveake> wind's up a bit
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[11:12] <G0WXI> !dial ux5
[11:12] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(3b28): 03434.66 MHz
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.55 nominal
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[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Does the cameraman realise he pulled the cable out ?
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[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial ux5
[11:18] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(3b28): 03434.55195 MHz, 434.5519 MHz, 434.5516 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.55183 MHz
[11:20] <TT7> is Steve using hydrogen?
[11:33] <Laurenceb> what a junkie
[11:33] <Laurenceb> first it was kittens now its H2 huffing
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[11:36] <garymortimer> Thanks again to everyone that came to my aid this morning when I arrived at the Howick launch and the unit was not set up. The NTX2 was the only tracking most of the way APRS failed
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[11:37] <garymortimer> looks like the GPS packed up at 20k metres they can't hear it any more and Vic and I are at our respective homes way out of range
[11:37] <garymortimer> where is the place I can see the data again?
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you had a Flight document in place
[11:42] <garymortimer> thanks
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[11:49] <garymortimer> I guess the right flight doc was not in place, is there any way of grabbing a KML of the track on screen for the chaps?
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[11:53] <Neil_M0CJM> Hi All sorry had to pop out and just back in but MM4 loud and clear here :-)
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> garymortimer, Yes I'll drag it out for you in a moment
[11:56] <PE2G> !dial ux5
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(3b28): 03434.554151 MHz, 434.553491 MHz, 434.55372 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.55351 MHz, 434.5534 MHz, 434.55393 MHz
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> NSPACE1 I take it ?
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/NSPACE1_20150425/
[11:59] <garymortimer> Thanks very much I am a slow learner
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like the payload doc for NSPACE1 wasn't correct, was it ever tested on the map ?
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is also some data available from APRS at APRS.FI
[12:01] <garymortimer> No when I got to the launch site this morning the chaps from Durban had not configured it so I tried my best on the field with help from chaps here
[12:02] <garymortimer> They were relying on APRS but that well did'nt really work
[12:02] <garymortimer> As you are aware I dont really know what I am doing!
[12:03] <garymortimer> I was blown away by how far we could hear the NTX2's
[12:04] <garymortimer> In fact once again the system you guys have created blows me sorting all that out in the mist in a field in Africa, plain silly!
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
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[12:18] <RocketBoy> xaben88 chase live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-pGFhd0MZw
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[12:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ZINOO3 after 0318 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZINOO3
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[12:28] <Laurenceb> is MM4 a different envelope?
[12:31] <bil> envelope?
[12:45] <Vaizki> envelopes surround something, in this case gas
[12:45] <Ian_> Balloon envelope
[12:45] <Ian_> Snap
[12:45] <Vaizki> Crackle
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ZINOO3_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ZINOO3_chase
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03The BlackOne_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=The%20BlackOne_chase
[12:49] <bil> The sarcasm is not appreciated, Vaizki. Laurence could have been referring to envelope in the radio sense - in which case there are lots of terms which use envelope.
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the old tracker page still ahnging around anywhere ?
[12:54] <Vaizki> well frankly my darling... just trying to help. will try to hold back in the future. have a good one..
[12:55] <bil> Don't know, sorry Geoff.
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[12:58] <Chetic> so how come dl-fldigi changes to 7-bit ascii when I load my payload?
[12:58] <Chetic> does my habhub payload configuration have a 7-bit configuration setting?
[12:58] <Chetic> I don't remember setting that
[12:59] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: This one? http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php
[13:00] <bil> nice find
[13:02] <Ian_> Well, I appreciated the Snap, Crackle and doubtless Pop wit. :)
[13:02] <Ian_> YOLO
[13:03] <Ian_> MM4 is after all, a balloon. The subject of the original question.
[13:04] <bil> True Ian, but it also carries a radio... :\
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes probably I found another source as well! The current one the GE KML output has gone wrong so trying for the old one @ http://spacenear.us/tracker/track.kml
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[13:05] <Ian_> The envelope was not the same as the one launched by Steve the other day.
[13:05] <fsphil> reusable balloon. now that would be an interesting trick
[13:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Serenity - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Serenity
[13:06] <Ian_> :)
[13:06] <fsphil> "You can't take the sky from me..."
[13:06] <fsphil> love that show, hated the theme tune
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[13:06] <fsphil> signal from uX5 is a fair bit weaker than the last one
[13:07] <Ian_> That would be the envelope fsphil . . .
[13:08] <fsphil> I'm glad we've addressed this issue
[13:09] <fsphil> I give it my stamp of approval
[13:09] <Ian_> That's cos you are just a good sort :)
[13:10] <fsphil> it's ascent rate is pretty high too
[13:10] <fsphil> -'
[13:13] <Ian_> Higher, faster . . . What are the 2F0 flags in the telemetry display for uX5?
[13:14] <fsphil> 7m/s
[13:15] <fsphil> like a (very slow) rocket
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[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> He still has his mast attached ? ;-)
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[13:21] <bil> MM4 not doing bad for 870g load on 800g balloon.
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[13:21] <edmoore> bil, low ascent rate though
[13:21] <edmoore> helps a bit
[13:21] <bil> true ed
[13:21] <bil> mm4 pop
[13:23] <edmoore> ux5 is rocketing up
[13:23] <edmoore> i wonder if it's in some updrafts from that shear layer
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-3 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF6RFX-3
[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF6RFX-2
[13:26] <edmoore> raintoday.co.uk is amusing
[13:26] <edmoore> a huge bank just coming up from cornwall
[13:27] <edmoore> i really hope i get to have a glass of fizz on the thames with my friends (arriving at 5.30) before the carnage arrives
[13:27] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[13:27] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[13:28] <mattbrejza> !whereis uX5
[13:28] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03uX5 is over 03Norfolk, UK 10(52.53921,0.23727) at 0340342 meters
[13:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF6RFX-11
[13:29] <fsphil> all rain converging on you edmoore
[13:30] <edmoore> yeah it is sort of
[13:32] <edmoore> still sunny here though
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[13:33] <Ian_> ux5 burst
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[13:34] <edmoore> another good altitude
[13:34] <Ian_> I was watching for it cracking 43k as it was going like a steam train. I somehow expected to see it slow a lot more prior to bursting.
[13:35] <SA6BSS> !dial ZINOO3
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS: Latest dials for 03Zinoo3 10(ec6d): 03434.65245 MHz
[13:35] <edmoore> it might have been being thrown around a bit
[13:35] <Ian_> Well Done MM4 and uX5 watching for the recovery phase now.
[13:35] <Ian_> Certainly shifting edmoore.
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[13:36] <edmoore> you can get knocked about a bit when punching through a shear-layer
[13:36] <edmoore> https://vimeo.com/1598522
[13:37] <Ian_> That would spill your cup of tea, for sure.
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[13:39] <KF5WYX> Morning / Afternoon all
[13:40] <KF5WYX> Looking at the flight predictor, it doesn't seem to be showing my chase vehicle yet. Anyone here that can make sure my callsigns are into it? (APRS import)
[13:40] <edmoore> ask on #habhub
[13:41] <edmoore> should get to the right eyeballs more quickly
[13:41] <KF5WYX> Thanks edmoore
[13:41] <Ian_> Steve taking the opportunity of doing the weekly shop while he waits.
[13:41] <KF5WYX> Looks like all the same folk in there lol
[13:42] <edmoore> indeed but less noise!
[13:42] <edmoore> it won't dissappear up there ^
[13:43] <KF5WYX> *nods thanks
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6QVY-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6QVY-1
[13:48] <Ian_> Do they score points for the same landing field?
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[13:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JDat_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JDat_chase
[13:56] <bil> mm4 is gonna have a bump
[13:58] <edmoore> yeah mm4 looks like a chute failure again
[13:58] <bil> again? lol
[13:58] <bil> trees may have helped cushion the bump
[13:58] <edmoore> there was another payload this week which bombed in
[14:02] <bil> ouch, did you hear what happened to it
[14:03] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[14:06] <edmoore> bil, oh i was alright i think, landed in the middle on nowehere
[14:06] <Ian_> If It was Steve's, it came back with plenty of envelope in tow.
[14:06] <edmoore> really sd cards are quite resilient :)
[14:07] <Ian_> You need the speed for canopy penetration. and I mean trees not chutes.
[14:07] <edmoore> that's a fun idea
[14:07] <edmoore> if over a wooded area, ditch the chute at 200m off the deck
[14:08] <edmoore> a nice dramatic pyrotechnic detachment
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[14:09] <Ian_> Replete with coloured smoke to save on eye strain.
[14:09] <edmoore> heh we discussed that a great many times in the beginning
[14:09] <Ian_> With more detail of the chase car, we could almost feel the steering wheel . . .
[14:09] <edmoore> usefulness vs ethics/upsetting landowners
[14:09] <edmoore> of smoke grenades
[14:10] <bil> I wondered why SD cards are used over wax drums ;)
[14:11] <Ian_> Yes, smoke would have the farmer up there with his 12 bore.
[14:11] <edmoore> we've got pictures off sd cameras that have washed up on foreign shores after a few months at sea
[14:11] <edmoore> and returned to us
[14:12] <Ian_> If we had more detail, we could have screamed to turn right then left back there.
[14:12] <Ian_> bil, have you seen the price of wax recently?
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[14:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd4bfp-8_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd4bfp-8_chase
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[14:20] <Ian_> Both came fairly close to airfields today. Great Massingham and RAF Marham.
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[14:21] <Mark_B> Afternoon
[14:21] <Mark_B> MM4 found by the side of a farm track
[14:21] <Mark_B> A big thank you to everyone for helping with tracking
[14:22] <Mark_B> Parachute twisted with some remants of ballon
[14:23] <Ian_> Many thanks for the event Mark, missed the trees I guess. Good flight.
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL9UL_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL9UL_chase
[14:23] <Ian_> Steve's not for walking today.
[14:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Irbins_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Irbins_chase
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[14:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5GRO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5GRO
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[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BCSDPI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BCSDPI
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[14:52] <Ian_> Another good flight and recovery Steve. Many thanks for the footage and the chase. most enjoyable.
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[15:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-7
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-8
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-9
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4STH-12
[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03slow boat 2_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=slow%20boat%202_chase
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[15:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TandV-BSS-space-chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TandV-BSS-space-chase
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[15:46] <Hiena> http://www.cufon.org/pdf/LRV1.pdf <= Quite interesting document
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[15:49] <Laurenceb> wtf
[15:49] <Laurenceb> *x files music*
[15:49] <Laurenceb> brb getting a probing
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> the truth is out there
[15:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5WYX-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5WYX-11
[15:51] <Hiena> Yeah, but the documents is valid. For example on the page 49, the L/Dmax at the subsonic region is same as the measured one for a similar aspect ratio wing.
[15:54] <Reb-SM3U1C> Anybode with hf for 20m? Having trouble getting the right rtty-speed and thought maybe somebody here could hear it..
[15:54] <Dread> Reb-SM3U1C: tell f
[15:55] <Reb-SM3U1C> Dread: sri, 14140
[15:55] <Dread> ok, ill be there in a minute
[15:55] Nick change: Reb-SM3U1C -> Reb-SM3ULC
[15:55] <dcbertelsen> Hello all.
[15:56] <Reb-SM3ULC> Dread: was just insanely strong, about +55dB
[15:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> Dread: 500 hz shift, but failing getting the speed.. :/
[15:57] <Dread> wait.
[15:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> kha
[15:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BSSChaseReagan_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSSChaseReagan_chase
[15:58] <Dread> really strange
[15:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> u hear it?
[15:59] <Dread> yup
[15:59] <Dread> s5 on ipo
[16:00] <Dread> it doesn't seem to be any reasonable speed.
[16:00] <Hiena> BTW, better quality one of the original declassified document from the less x-files source: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/333266.pdf
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[16:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kf5wyx_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kf5wyx_chase
[16:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> Dread: mm, tried to "brute force" buut no...
[16:05] <Dread> it's some garbage i think.
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[16:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS1> New vehicle on the map: 03W7ASU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7ASU
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[16:16] <SpacenearUS1> New vehicle on the map: 03W7ASU-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W7ASU-2
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[16:18] <dcbertelsen> The high school I teach at is sponsoring a GSBC team and I would like to have our track added to the site. We are in the US and will be using APRS for this flight; I haven't seen a way to add this as a payload option. How do I procede from here?
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[16:21] <mfa298> dcbertelsen: I think if it's got the right properties and its at altitude it may get imported automatically, you may have better luck asking in #habhub and waiting for someone in the know to appear
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[16:22] <dcbertelsen> Thanks. I was hoping another flyer might be in #highaltitude, but I'll head over to #habhub as well.
[16:22] <mfa298> it's mostly the same people but less noise so might get seen
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[16:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-8
[16:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4BFP-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD4BFP-9
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[17:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL6JOS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL6JOS-11
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[17:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BSSChaseReagan1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSSChaseReagan1_chase
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[17:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BSSReagan_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BSSReagan_chase
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[18:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0TRE_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0TRE_chase
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[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[18:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Reagan5_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Reagan5_chase
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[18:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
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[18:12] <Reb-SM3ULC> hey tomasz!
[18:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Reb :-)
[18:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[18:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !wiki irc bot
[18:43] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[19:37] <DL7AD_> evning
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD__ #
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[19:45] <DL7AD_> hi Lunar_Lander :)
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[19:46] <DL7AD_> busy :D your parcel is still on hold. cant find the items....
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> hope you can find the rest :)
[20:13] <DL7AD_> Lunar_Lander: i definetly have it somewhere....
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:21] <arjunnaha> Now that there is the Airspy, what is the better option... the Airspy or FunCube Pro?
[20:24] <fsphil> the airspy seems to be better, on pure specs. I don't own one yet
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[20:25] <Josh> hello, i was wondering if it is possible to use the habhub tracker tool in the US, or just the UK?
[20:25] Nick change: Josh -> Guest41992
[20:26] <Guest41992> hello, i was wondering if it is possible to use the habhub tracker tool in the US, or just the UK?
[20:27] <DL7AD_> Guest41992: actually everywhere
[20:28] <Guest41992> ok cool, do you know of a guide or instructions to learn how to use it?
[20:29] <dcbertelsen> Guest41992: Do you have an amateur radio license?
[20:29] <Guest41992> yes, my callsign is KF4OVF-2
[20:30] <dcbertelsen> That will make things a lot easier. There are two major ways to get your balloon on the tracker.
[20:31] <Guest41992> great! thanks for your help, i appreciate it.
[20:31] <dcbertelsen> One way is through the 2m APRS network; the other is to decode packets and submit them via fl-digi or the HAB tracker app.
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[20:32] <dcbertelsen> I'm still trying to get my callsign on the APRS list, but it appears there is an auto-import feature. I don't know what the triggers are, but having your APRS icon set to balloon 'O' seems to be one.
[20:32] <NSpace1> hi guys i had a succesful launch today, but need aa few questions answered
[20:33] <dcbertelsen> Congrats! What questions do you have?
[20:33] <DL7AD_> dcbertelsen: to get it to the tracker page, you have to ask an admin to setup a gateway
[20:33] <Guest41992> Ok, do you know of how I could contact an admin?
[20:33] <DL7AD_> ops that was for Guest41992
[20:34] <DL7AD_> usually i ask Upu
[20:34] <DL7AD_> but i think lz1dev can do it too
[20:35] <Guest41992> Alright, thanks
[20:36] <Guest41992> once I am set up on the application, will it automatically feed to the tracker site?
[20:37] <DL7AD_> ehm.... you have to tell them what callsign they should add (e.g. DL7AD-11)
[20:37] <DL7AD_> and once an aprs-is catches the callsign it will be also added on the tracker map
[20:38] <NSpace1> vhf and uhf antenna palcement on the payload -- whats best
[20:39] <DL7AD_> NSpace1: depends on what band you're transmitting ;)
[20:40] <dcbertelsen> I've usually put it horizontally (more signal lost to space) to avoid a dead spot below, but realistically, with the swinging motion, it probably doesn't matter much. Downward is more likely to be damaged than any other direction.
[20:43] <dcbertelsen> Did you notice any difficulty with reception on your flight?
[20:48] <fsphil> I've had a vertical antenna on all my flights, the null below is pretty tame
[20:49] <fsphil> (for 434mhz)
[20:49] <fsphil> I've driven under the payload and was still able to decode it
[20:51] <NSpace1> frequencies APRS 144,800, telemetry 434.650mhz, when the APRS TX transmitted it wiped out the Telemetry transmissions. Dipole or Ground Plane antenna
[20:52] <fsphil> what do you mean by wiped out?
[20:53] <NSpace1> the signal on the telemetry was garbled after the APRS transmitted.
[20:53] <fsphil> where these separate payloads?
[20:54] <NSpace1> No one payload, with both TX present.I used 2 ground planes one for APRS (2m) and one for the Telemetry (70cm),
[20:55] <fsphil> it is possible it was a power supply issue, or if the same computer was doing both that it was a timing issue
[20:56] <dcbertelsen> Do you get the same during a ground test?
[21:02] <NSpace1> Yes on the ground, the Telemetry was continuous transmit the APRS was every minute. Has anyone else had issues like these before?
[21:03] <dcbertelsen> Did telemetry come right back after the APRS packet?
[21:03] <fsphil> what is your flight computer and how do they drive the two radios?
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[21:08] <NSpace1> After APRS tx and a few packets lost the telemetry came right, flight computer arduino nano. Seperate power packs for the two radios, (NTX2-434.650mhz, and HX1,144.800)
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[21:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TandV-BSS-space-chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TandV-BSS-space-chase
[21:10] <fsphil> your own code on the arduino?
[21:11] <fsphil> it can be easy to get timing problems depending on how you generate the rtty and aprs signals
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[21:12] <NSpace1> no habduino code.
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[21:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0TRE-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0TRE-11
[21:45] <Guest41992> so after the payload reaches 2000m, and it is automatically added to the tracker page on habhub, how do you view the updated projected flight and landing spot?
[21:48] <fsphil> the live prediction is automatic
[21:48] <fsphil> shows on the tracker page
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[21:50] <fsphil> not sure where it gets the burst altitude from. possibly assumes 30km
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[21:51] <lz1dev> fsphil: yes
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[21:51] <Guest41992> can we change the projected burst? ours will likely be closer to 36000m
[21:51] <lz1dev> when the balloon pops, it will set that altitude
[21:53] <lz1dev> it's not possible to manually change the values
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[22:00] <Guest41992> true, haha i should have thought about that
[22:02] <lz1dev> the ascent and decent values are adjusted during the flight too
[22:03] <Guest41992> oh wow, that's awesome
[22:03] <Guest41992> what a great tool
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[22:31] <Guest41992> so there is no way to add our balloon to the tracker network until after it's above 2000m? i just want to make sure it's working
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[22:38] <Upu> done all those APRS imports
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[23:29] <KF5WYX> Hi all.
[23:30] <KF5WYX> Had a fail today. Botched launch, it traveled only a short distance onto ranch land and mesas. The last recorded location is not attainable by road. We may attempt a hike tomorrow.
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[23:47] <SpeedEvil> Good luck tomorrow.
[23:51] <KF5WYX> Thanks - I need me some Lagavulan and some shut-eye. Will update further progress here after I get home :)
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