highaltitude.log.20150423

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[05:32] <Chetic> Ian_ thank you for your concern in my testing ;) yes there was a problem, but it was solved and then time ran out
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[07:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[07:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> For those using Habrotate daveake has moved himself and launches to the North Sea ;-)
[07:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BACON_Chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BACON_Chase
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[07:45] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE, Oops, it's been like that for a while :/
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[07:46] <daveake> My laptop's dl-fldigi thought it was still in Spain
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just looked at the aerial compass and thought no......
[07:46] <daveake> ah well too late to fix that one
[07:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> First string will fix it
[07:47] <daveake> reality will set in soon when the payload is running
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[07:47] <daveake> Shame it's only me and number10, as Upu can't make it ....
[07:48] <daveake> .... as there's a place called "Three Cocks" en route
[07:48] <daveake> that begs for a photo
[07:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well get some pictures en-route and we can still make the jokes
[07:48] <daveake> :)
[07:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm sure he'll be there virtually
[07:49] <daveake> UpuWork got a mugshot that I can print? :p
[07:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Caonference pictures ?
[07:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Conference even
[07:53] <UpuWork> lol
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[08:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
[08:03] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: Lots of HAB flights today ANU, PISKY, GRIFFEN, XABEN ..
[08:03] <tweetBot> track here http://t.co/CBtnWpP8PM #ukhas #hab
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[08:06] <daveake> Final tracker test done; ssdv timing could have been better :/
[08:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ha one we can print out for a virtual in the future!
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[08:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PISKY_20150423/2015-04-23--08-02-11-PISKY-21EB.jpeg.jpg
[08:09] <daveake> er thanks :/ :)
[08:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[08:14] <tweetBot> @daveake: PISKY final test before closing up the payload. I think that my "best image selection" code needs some work... #UKHAS http://t.co/QphOp8iidT
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[08:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GRIFFEN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=GRIFFEN
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[08:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What parameters are set up in the tracker for prediction at the moment ?
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[08:28] <daveake> dunno, but they should both be 40km+
[08:29] <daveake> Steve's quite likely 42+
[08:29] <daveake> Much depends on Chinese QC or lack thereof
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[08:30] <daveake> Mine will hopefully be something like this http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=b8654e1015e872d2bb691f3d11014781f86cd8ee
[08:31] <daveake> I suspect we'll end up preferring a tree landing to a hill landing :/
[08:31] <pc1pcl> Thanks to Murphy, you're likely to get both.
[08:32] <daveake> On the plus side, reception range should be epic
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[08:36] <LunarWork> hell
[08:36] <LunarWork> o
[08:41] <fsphil> one of those mornings eh? :)
[08:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> One of those mornings where I need more screen space!
[08:45] <daveake> I wonder if we should put a large St George's cross on the car, for our crusade into Wales
[08:45] <Vaizki> whip antenna with flag maybe
[08:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Spry paint the balloon
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[08:49] <LunarWork> :)
[08:49] <garymortimer> I'm saying nothing for fear of a Welsh backlash
[08:49] <LunarWork> my soldering station will be delivered in the next 20 minutes
[08:50] <garymortimer> I don't know any good pubs that way but have been up Lord Herefords Knob
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[08:51] <PB0AHX-Herman> gm all
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[09:09] <LunarWork> soldering station at home
[09:09] <LunarWork> I am happy
[09:10] <fsphil> what did you get?
[09:11] <LunarWork> Weller WHS40D
[09:11] <fsphil> oh nice
[09:12] <LunarWork> :)
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[09:20] <PB0AHX-Herman> LunarWork: thats a nice one congrats
[09:20] <LunarWork> thanks :)
[09:22] <PB0AHX-Herman> any flight today ??
[09:23] <craag> !flights
[09:23] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Current flights: 03GRIFFEN 10(b238), 03XABEN-87 10(f05b), 03PiSky 10(2125), 03ANU 9 10(ce0d)
[09:25] <PB0AHX-Herman> i forgot the commands hihihihi sory
[09:25] <craag> np :) the answer is yes, lots of flights today!
[09:25] <craag> A couple aiming for altitude I think too
[09:25] <craag> Always exciting
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[09:26] <PB0AHX-Herman> i like it but forgot some times a lot (age) hihihi
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[09:29] <SQ5KVS> Hi
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[09:31] <SQ5KVS> I see many stations on tracker.habhub, it's certainly means that something will fly up :)
[09:33] <bradfirj> fsphil: Looks like this spell is due to end toorrow with a low pressure front from the west
[09:33] <day> why so many starts today? just coincidence?
[09:34] <bradfirj> Mainland should get another good day, we've had it by 9 tomorrow morning...
[09:34] <bradfirj> day: Extended spell of excellent weather I would suspect
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[09:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> We have video streaming
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[09:43] <daveake> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1194
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[09:44] <FuzzyLemon> hi! we are filling GRIFFEN
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Watching and waiting ;-)
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who will launch first this morning ?
[09:45] <FuzzyLemon> We are aiming for 11
[09:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> ANU haven't started filling yet
[09:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> so you may be first!
[09:49] <SQ5KVS> ha, live stream, nice
[09:50] <daveake> yeah we're in no hurry
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANU-2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU-2
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[10:03] <FuzzyLemon> Almost ready for launch!
[10:03] <DutchMillbt> Hi PB0AHX-Herman qrv@ 430.350 MHz ?
[10:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial griffen
[10:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03Griffen Box 10(b238): 03434.5 MHz
[10:04] <FuzzyLemon> 434.5
[10:04] <SQ5KVS> they lost something in the grass?
[10:04] <SQ5KVS> :)
[10:06] <SQ5KVS> a, its wire or something
[10:06] <pc1pcl> DutchMillbt: at least something atv-ish is qrv around 430.345 and near here ;)
[10:07] <FuzzyLemon> 9
[10:07] <FuzzyLemon> 10
[10:07] <FuzzyLemon> 6
[10:07] <UpuWork> are those batteries new ?
[10:07] <UpuWork> FuzzyLemon
[10:08] <FuzzyLemon> Launched!
[10:08] <UpuWork> oh well hope so :/
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> yay!
[10:09] <PB0AHX-Herman> DutchMillbt: i am on 430.350 now
[10:09] <DutchMillbt> Hi pc1pcl 434.500 with some qrm here ;-(
[10:09] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/wcD1K8T.png
[10:10] <craag> :D
[10:10] <pc1pcl> yeah, I think I heard a few carriers, let's see howit holds up.
[10:14] <DutchMillbt> ...mmm yep strange carrier fading in and out
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hearing Griffen
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/GRIFFEN_20150423/
[10:18] <PB0AHX-Herman> first writing funcube and than listening to ballon here
[10:21] <fsphil> who are -COPO1?
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[10:29] <PB0AHX-Herman> ;#+CV+3K<CK+33'R$$$$GRIFFEN,32=,10:29:10,w
[10:30] <PE2G> !flights
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03GRIFFEN 10(b238), 03XABEN-87 10(f05b), 03PiSky 10(2125), 03ANU 9 10(ce0d)
[10:30] <fsphil> 5 pointes to gryffindor
[10:30] <PE2G> !dial b238
[10:30] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03Griffen Box 10(b238): 03434.501295 MHz, 434.50072 MHz, 434.50117 MHz, 434.50078 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.50003 MHz, 434.501114 MHz
[10:33] <PB0AHX-Herman> PE2G: griffen is soms hier al hoorbaar
[10:34] <PE2G> PB0AHX-Herman: OK, tnx. massive QRM on the freq here (again)
[10:34] <PB0AHX-Herman> mmmm
[10:34] <bradfirj> Griffen is clearly the balloon to listen to today
[10:35] <bradfirj> That's quite a few stations receivinf
[10:35] <DutchMillbt> PE2G more flights to come ;-)
[10:35] <fsphil> just the first, pisky will be sending images
[10:36] <pc1pcl> pisky's images will probably be a challenge for me over the distance..
[10:36] <FuzzyLemon> thank you bradfirj!! All going well
[10:36] <DutchMillbt> ha first greeny
[10:37] <gonzo_pp> two balloons! (Dave is tyring to keep a-breast of HABbing)
[10:37] <PE2G> Congrats DutchMillbt. 434.5 and 434.65 are unusable here
[10:37] <fsphil> hopefully I left my machine at home on, and the radio connected...
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ANU after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU
[10:38] <SQ5KVS> uh, windy
[10:39] <gonzo_pp> pft, all this activity and my home system is off
[10:39] <fsphil> hmm looks like a lot of RF noise at home
[10:40] <fsphil> ah cleared now
[10:40] <fsphil> wonder what that was
[10:40] <fsphil> oh it's back
[10:41] <DutchMillbt> PE2G i know it ...qrm pollution on week days caused by industry
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[10:41] <fsphil> this is why I wish ofcom would relax the rules, the ISM band can be a mess
[10:42] <PE2G> DutchMillbt: Agree, much better conditions during weekends
[10:42] <PB0AHX-Herman> here also lot of qrm but some times i writing green here
[10:43] <pc1pcl> A directional antenna might help, but I guess I'd be pointing it straight over the city anyway most of the time..
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Helps a bit but as you say point towards local town and noise rises!
[10:44] <gonzo_pp> I'm in quite a built up area, and it's all the local mush around me that causes the probs
[10:44] <gonzo_pp> using the yagi cuts out a lot
[10:44] <PB0AHX-Herman> pc1pcl: u must first over my antennes hihihihihi
[10:45] <UpuWork> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[10:47] <PB0AHX-Herman> pc1pcl: u are abt 500 mtr away from me
[10:47] <DutchMillbt> The KNMI ozone sond has a home game today
[10:47] <pc1pcl> Yes, Ypenburg. But a lot more primitive antenna system I'll wager.
[10:48] <fsphil> ozzy dave
[10:48] <PB0AHX-Herman> green red green red green red from GRIFFEN
[10:48] <pc1pcl> And of course plenty of young families with all kind of gadgets all around me (including myself, most likely)
[10:49] <PB0AHX-Herman> hahahahahaha
[10:49] <pc1pcl> $EFYFFEN,495TC4):p5$51.?6s06<=R at least I found the signal in the messy WF ;)
[10:49] <PE2G> DutchMillbt: AFAIK, there awill be two crews on the road to recover the o3 sonde
[10:51] <fsphil> signal starting to appear here
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anu & PiSky about to launch
[10:53] <DutchMillbt> arch no gps
[10:53] <DutchMillbt> ..its back
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[10:55] <UpuWork> on up
[10:55] <UpuWork> 2 up
[10:56] <SQ5KVS> and no one on power line
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[10:57] <garymortimer> that was cool watching the launch nicely done
[10:58] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PISKY
[10:58] <fsphil> first image is from the field
[10:59] <pc1pcl> !dial pisky
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.17442 MHz
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[10:59] <pc1pcl> at least .175 seems more or less QRM free here at the moment.
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03griffen's chariot_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=griffen's%20chariot_chase
[11:01] Nick change: craag -> craag_philcrump
[11:02] <fsphil> we need a huffman table optimised for grass and clouds
[11:03] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: green and blue values? :)
[11:04] <fsphil> most of the information will be in the luminance channel
[11:05] <G0WXI__> !dial anu
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI__: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.526236 MHz
[11:05] <fsphil> griffen decoding here now, 495.4km
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial anu-2
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03ANU-9-2 10(ce0d): none
[11:07] <SQ5KVS> hm right
[11:07] <SQ5KVS> what about anu-2
[11:08] <KM4FSW> so what happened to the B flights?
[11:09] <KM4FSW> globalstart stx3 maybe?
[11:09] <fsphil> went silent, probably long down by now
[11:09] <KM4FSW> why no more B flights?
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[11:15] <FuzzyLemon> giving chase in the griffen chariot
[11:16] <PE2G> Hurray! One green from Griffen at 539 km
[11:16] <PE2G> Amidst bad QRM
[11:17] <PB0AHX-Herman> PE2G: nice
[11:17] <PE2G> :)
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[11:19] <pc1pcl> I got a green to it seems, although not really paying any attentio to the set at the moment ;)
[11:20] <Laurenceb__> KM4FSW: there was little else to achieve with the B flights
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial anu
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.5257 MHz
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial anu-2
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03ANU-9-2 10(ce0d): none
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial pisky
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.174214 MHz, 434.17442 MHz
[11:22] <pfysmate> !dial GRIFFEN
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> 03pfysmate: Latest dials for 03Griffen Box 10(b238): 03434.500989 MHz, 434.50072 MHz, 434.4999 MHz, 434.50045 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.50078 MHz, 3.5 MHz
[11:23] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[11:23] <pc1pcl> :) 3.5 Mhz
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[11:25] <SQ5KVS> hI edmoore
[11:25] <edmoore> yoyo SQ5KVS
[11:25] <edmoore> all well?
[11:25] <PB0AHX-Herman> dinner time here
[11:26] <fsphil> mmm
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[11:26] <SQ5KVS> edmoore, alles gut, nothing on the power lines :)
[11:26] <SQ5KVS> I mean, ballons :)
[11:27] <fsphil> the habhub map seems to have expelled me
[11:27] <edmoore> SQ5KVS, give it time
[11:28] <edmoore> lots of stuff in the air atm
[11:28] <edmoore> that means summer is coming
[11:28] <SQ5KVS> khyhy
[11:28] <SQ5KVS> right
[11:28] <edmoore> nothing more firmly marks the end of winter than the hab season kicking off
[11:28] <diegoesep> what are the radio settings for pisky ssdv ?
[11:28] <daveake> 300 8 N 2 600Hz USB
[11:29] <diegoesep> ok thanks daveake , no lora this time?
[11:29] <daveake> correct
[11:29] <SQ5KVS> I have one power line with 120kV, close to my home.
[11:29] <tweetBot> @DutchMillbt: Tracking High Altitude Balloon GRIFFEN @434.500 MHz SSB #ukhas # hamradio see: http://t.co/qfqYWnv1JD
[11:29] <diegoesep> what is the payload weight and balloon used?
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[11:38] <edmoore> diegoesep, i'm not sure if it's been published
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[11:38] <daveake> 100g / 1600g H
[11:39] <edmoore> oh pisky sorry
[11:39] <fsphil> griffen on the way down
[11:39] <edmoore> thought you meant griffon as i didn't read enough scrollback
[11:39] <diegoesep> you're aiming for an altitude record daveake? :)
[11:39] <PE2G> !dial PISKY
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.174214 MHz, 434.174608 MHz, 434.17442 MHz
[11:39] <daveake> well just seeing how high it gets
[11:39] <garymortimer> There is a nice pub on a bridge out there somewhere by griffen, struggling to remember where
[11:40] <edmoore> diegoesep, that's code for 'yes'
[11:40] <diegoesep> lol edmoore :)
[11:40] <fsphil> garymortimer: I like how your map of the world is based on pubs
[11:40] <edmoore> one just doesn't admit it out loud, as that's like a sailor saying that the seas will definitely be calm
[11:40] <garymortimer> is there any other sort of map?
[11:41] <edmoore> a conformal one
[11:41] <edmoore> tho things rarely are after a trip to the pub
[11:41] <edmoore> garymortimer, i enjoyed that article of yours about the anti-poaching work
[11:41] <edmoore> i've sent it to a few friends
[11:42] <edmoore> i see your interest in habs now, to get line of sight over large swathes of land at once
[11:42] <garymortimer> cool thanks, its actually a lot of fun with some horrid bits. Unusual autumn thunder storm happening down here right now
[11:42] <edmoore> heh i just thought of a joke
[11:42] <fsphil> that's a good job
[11:42] Action: fsphil is a fan of thunder storms
[11:42] <garymortimer> yep that's it ed
[11:42] <edmoore> why wasn't the trip to the pub not a conformal map?
[11:43] <edmoore> because he had one-to-many!!
[11:43] <edmoore> so that's my one maths joke for the day and i am sorry about that
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah decode on pisky
[11:45] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: I can show some funny intergrals :D
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[11:46] <Ian_> Sorry about your window running out Chetic, but you may have agitatyed the HAB fairies by pulling ed's hair too long over the NMEA/HAB topic. On a positive note, you failed to a safe state. What was the ultimate diagnosis for the fault?
[11:47] <Ian_> Change of power source, camera interference etc?
[11:47] <edmoore> yeah i am a hab spirit
[11:47] <edmoore> i exist just on irc
[11:47] <edmoore> and generally in the ether
[11:47] <Ian_> he he, abreviated so not to draw too much attention, but your beadies spotted it.
[11:48] <Ian_> I had visions of follicle depletion and escaping steam at the time, with a portion of head banging against your desk.
[11:49] <edmoore> oh no i'm a consultant
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial anu-2
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03ANU-9-2 10(ce0d): none
[11:50] <edmoore> i can brow-beat without feeling it internally when the time demands
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[11:50] <edmoore> it's how one shapes normal customers into good customers
[11:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BACON_Chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BACON_Chase
[11:50] <edmoore> fear and intimidation
[11:50] <garymortimer> I thought CAMRA would have a map for times of emergency in unknown areas but it only has a spot you have to search http://whatpub.com/ I am amazed there is no map proper
[11:50] Nick change: junderwood -> M0JCU_junderwood
[11:51] <craag_philcrump> interesting
[11:51] <craag_philcrump> I know a couple of open-data academic types who do a bit for camra
[11:51] <Chetic> Ian_: space radiation changed my fldigi configuration from 8-bit to 7-bit
[11:51] <Ian_> I apply a series of offsets and strange people start to appear normal.
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyone else on ANu-2
[11:52] <craag_philcrump> Maybe could give them a nudge to open the dataset ;)
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M0RPI_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M0RPI_chase
[11:53] <fsphil> lz1dev: feature request, clicking/hovering mouse over horizon circle shows the payload name
[11:53] <edmoore> descent rate on griffen
[11:53] <edmoore> parachute problems?
[11:53] <garymortimer> Then find those that are HAB crew friendly
[11:54] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: they want to break sound barrier
[11:54] <SQ5KVS> what about XABEN?
[11:54] <fsphil> they're landing in a pretty nice area
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[11:55] <M0JCU_junderwood> ... if you're a duck
[11:55] <M0JCU_junderwood> lots of water round there
[11:55] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[11:55] <fsphil> I think they're safe enough
[11:55] <garymortimer> Oh danger Will Robinson I see Pontrillas on that map you won't get the balloons back if they go into the SAS place near there
[11:55] <M0JCU_junderwood> looked a bit worrying a few minutes ago
[11:55] <fsphil> power lines in the field though
[11:56] <SQ5KVS> :DD
[11:56] <SQ5KVS> I knew it :D
[11:56] <fsphil> chase car in the area, they might see this landing
[11:57] <M0JCU_junderwood> It could land on them if they're not careful
[11:57] <fsphil> that's worth many points
[11:57] <M0JCU_junderwood> 2000 ft
[11:58] <fsphil> just worred about those power lines
[11:58] <LunarWork> car points downwards
[11:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> won't make it that far
[11:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> GPS packed up!
[11:58] <Ian_> Interestingly the OS map doesn't show that expanse of water. Not a factor today though.
[11:58] <edmoore> it's coming in very very hot
[11:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> $$$$$GRIFFEN,712,11:57:46,51.722419,-1.462521,529,4,-2,2636,11*D9AE
[11:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> $$$$$GRIFFEN,713,23:59:50,0.000000,0.000000,392,0,-2,2636,13*E10E
[11:58] <M0JCU_junderwood> $$$$$GRIFFEN,714,00:00:00,0.000000,0.000000,0,
[11:58] <LunarWork> hm
[11:58] <fsphil> typical
[11:59] <edmoore> M0JCU_junderwood, still got a clear Rx?
[11:59] <M0JCU_junderwood> Nope
[11:59] <M0JCU_junderwood> so it isn't in the power lines
[11:59] <fsphil> well it's on the ground, or hanging just above it
[12:00] <M0JCU_junderwood> Should be an easy recovery
[12:00] <fsphil> !dial ANU
[12:00] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.527082 MHz, 434.526775 MHz, 434.5005 MHz, 434.5265 MHz, 434.64117 MHz
[12:00] <PB0AHX-Herman> autoconfig for pisky is ok ??
[12:03] <SQ5KVS> sstv images looks very nice
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[12:09] <fsphil> shift on anu is about 490Hz
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[12:15] <RocketBoy> hi Guys - now live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQMuWF_GNAo
[12:18] <RocketBoy> if it cuts out bear with us - it will re-connect shortly
[12:18] <UpuWork> works nicely
[12:18] <fsphil> the HAB team
[12:18] <Vaizki> yes but I can't see the bear
[12:18] <Vaizki> ;)
[12:18] <fsphil> bear legs
[12:18] <fsphil> wait, steven isn't wearing shorts?
[12:18] <fsphil> ah I heard that
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[12:19] <Vaizki> I don't have sound
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[12:19] <fsphil> I do, though it's not very loud
[12:19] <fsphil> I love that we have the technology now to steam HD video from a random field in england to the world
[12:19] <fsphil> the quality of that stream is great
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Psuedorandom.
[12:20] <fsphil> ok
[12:20] <fsphil> not quite random
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> But yes
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Now if only it worked properly for balloons :)
[12:20] <fsphil> hah
[12:20] <fsphil> 1080p over 10mw 434mhz
[12:21] <fsphil> ah there's the mic
[12:21] <diegoesep> with huge bandwith fsphil it may be feasible :)
[12:21] <fsphil> someone going to sing?
[12:21] <edmoore> i'd be wearing shorts
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> heh nice
[12:21] <diegoesep> 8mhz
[12:21] <Laurenceb__> that must be eating up the bandwidth
[12:21] <fsphil> just need a lot of gain on the ground
[12:22] <fsphil> QAM256
[12:22] <fsphil> good symbol rate. easy peasy :)
[12:22] <edmoore> the cmaera guy is very keen on keeping steve precisely in the middle of the frame
[12:22] <edmoore> like some kind of computer-vision motion tracking algorithm
[12:22] <fsphil> he'd use less bandwidth if he left it on the tripod
[12:22] <edmoore> yes exactly
[12:22] <edmoore> jus frame the scene
[12:23] <edmoore> why didn't steve hire a propper filmographer
[12:23] <edmoore> from a studio
[12:23] <fsphil> wonder what the camera is
[12:23] <diegoesep> it is close to trees !
[12:23] <edmoore> it doesn't launch from there diegoesep
[12:23] <fsphil> seems to be more than just a basic webcam
[12:23] <edmoore> you can walk it out into the field
[12:23] <garymortimer> watching in South Africa looks like a lovely day there
[12:23] <diegoesep> ok I see edmoore
[12:23] <edmoore> it is lovely here garymortimer
[12:23] <edmoore> hence all the habs up
[12:24] <edmoore> conditions are great
[12:24] <fsphil> yea the high alt winds are not too bad atm
[12:24] <fsphil> even I could launch and recover one
[12:24] <garymortimer> all those buttercups making me homesick sniff sniff
[12:24] <garymortimer> or is it dandillions
[12:24] <fsphil> I hear a robin and finch in the background
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[12:25] <fsphil> and a lesser spotted steve
[12:25] <garymortimer> im going to have to do the school run shortly, blast
[12:25] <fsphil> doing his mating dance
[12:26] <PB0AHX-Herman> DutchMillbt: hoe heb jij anu ingesteld staan ? autoconfig ??
[12:26] <fsphil> I like the antenna post on the jeep. I need a bigger car
[12:26] <fsphil> or, a jeep
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[12:28] <DutchMillbt> ja, maar er zat net wat qrm over heen, probeen nu de SSDV van PiSky
[12:28] <fsphil> things are getting serious
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[12:33] <PB0AHX-Herman> DutchMillbt: ja probeer ik ook maar weet niet of autoconfig werkt is hoop troep hier op die frequentie
[12:33] <edmoore> i understood that ^
[12:34] <PE2G> !dial PISKY
[12:34] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.175 MHz, 434.655625 MHz, 434.175112 MHz, 434.650534 MHz, 434.6431 MHz, 434.175184 MHz, 434.634403 MHz, 434.625064 MHz
[12:34] <DutchMillbt> PB0AHX-Herman wel no decodes yet here .. it's a bit a mess on that frequency
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[12:37] <SQ5KVS> funny, the pi-sky path was wrinkled over the Ripple place
[12:37] <edmoore> steve's stream has become less thrilling
[12:37] <fsphil> sponsored by Linde
[12:38] <fsphil> ah nice shot of the Bristol Channel on this current image
[12:39] <fsphil> why isn't it called the Cardiff channel? :)
[12:39] <edmoore> because england is better than wales
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[12:40] <garymortimer> One of the setbacks of where my parents live in Somerset is that you can see Wales on a clear day
[12:41] <edmoore> i'm doing the second may bank hol in hereford
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[12:41] <edmoore> my friend's parents live atop a big hill
[12:41] <edmoore> tere is a lot of wales to see there
[12:41] <SQ5KVS> garymortimer: :)
[12:43] <SQ5KVS> we have similar joke about one of the city in Poland, something like " Why the flats on the high floors in the XX city are cheaper? because You can see wales from there"
[12:44] <fsphil> poor wales. even the polish are joking about them :)
[12:44] <fsphil> their flag has a dragon. that's cool
[12:44] <fsphil> they have dual language signs, even though nobody can read welsh
[12:45] <PB0AHX-Herman> DutchMillbt: any signaal from PISKY ??
[12:45] <gonzo_pp> the only country to put a picture of their missus on the flag
[12:45] <Ian_> Is that a dragon on the flag or a flaggon with a dragon?
[12:45] <SQ5KVS> oh, wasn't "wales" in original joke of course , but some small city in poland, But the Idea is the same
[12:45] <gonzo_pp> In the punnet with the poison?
[12:46] <Ian_> Beside the bunny with the honey.
[12:46] <fsphil> !dial pisky
[12:46] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.175 MHz, 434.175112 MHz, 434.708503 MHz, 434.175184 MHz, 434.70421 MHz, 434.700883 MHz, 434.697189 MHz
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[12:47] <edmoore> RocketBoy, stream died
[12:47] <RocketBoy> problems with gas clyinder thread - back later
[12:47] <RocketBoy> ta ed
[12:47] <edmoore> good luck with the fix
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[12:48] <Ian_> Your audience awaits. Lovely dandilions for the bees. Call in the workers . . . bzzzzz
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Something odd with ANU-2 data uploads there not registering on the map ?
[12:48] <gonzo_pp> get a bigger spanner
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[12:48] <edmoore> Geoff-G8DHE, apparently rfm22b that might have died
[12:48] <Ian_> I believe someone said that the ANU2 GPS seems to have died
[12:49] <edmoore> radio ^
[12:49] <Ian_> Right.
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[12:50] <SQ5KVS> wow, now the picture from pisky is impressive
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes the GPS is sending a fixed location
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> and height
[12:51] <edmoore> oh gps then
[12:51] <edmoore> sorry
[12:52] <gonzo_pp> not bag, govenm it;s distance from that feature
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> No I sent it a green response but nothing appeared on the map so thought odd!
[12:52] <gonzo_pp> ah, ok, poss not 20miles away then!
[12:53] <seventeen> GPS is dead
[12:54] <Ian_> Radio ^^
[12:54] <diegoesep> this one is nice http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-04-23--12-44-40-PISKY-2203.jpeg?u=57 daveake
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[12:59] <PE2G> !dial PISKY
[12:59] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.734296 MHz, 434.175184 MHz, 434.175 MHz, 434.17429 MHz, 434.734174 MHz, 434.733463 MHz
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[13:11] <PB0AHX-Herman> !dial pisky
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PB0AHX-Herman: Latest dials for 03PISKY 10(2125): 03434.175 MHz, 434.705003 MHz, 434.175184 MHz, 434.17429 MHz, 434.71133 MHz, 434.715866 MHz, 434.175008 MHz, 434.720536 MHz, 434.725378 MHz, 434.175112 MHz
[13:13] <fsphil> good signal here now from pisky
[13:13] <fsphil> hints of the east irish coast in that last one?
[13:13] <PB0AHX-Herman> lot lot qrm on frequentie for pisky sorry
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[13:15] <fsphil> really want to try another floater now
[13:17] <PE2G> PB0AHX-Herman: I think Pisky is on 434.174.7, center 1700 Hz. Can hardly see it in the QRM
[13:17] <SQ5KVS> floater?
[13:18] <fsphil> floater is when a balloon reaches a certain altitude but doesn't burst, it just kinda floats around until sunrise the next day
[13:18] <fsphil> this one isn't a floater
[13:20] <fsphil> though the ascent rate is fairly low
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[13:23] <PB0AHX-Herman> PE2G: yes i hrd him but the qrm is lot stronger no writing here i think
[13:24] <PE2G> PB0AHX-Herman: Here neither due to QRM :(
[13:24] <pc1pcl> !dial anu
[13:24] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.526775 MHz, 434.527038 MHz, 434.526564 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.5265 MHz
[13:25] <FoneSRC> Hello, nothing heard in IN87 except on 434.445 but i think it's local
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[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> ANU-2 is back with its GPS
[13:30] <SQ5KVS> HM
[13:30] <pc1pcl> !dial anu-2
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03ANU-9-2 10(ce0d): 03434.353761 MHz, 434.353812 MHz
[13:30] <mattbrejza> anyone any idea what the current altitude record is for gsbc?
[13:31] <SQ5KVS> ANU balloon was received by SQ3MQD.. but it's too far!
[13:31] <Dread> hm
[13:31] <craag_philcrump> SQ5KVS: He'll be using the websdr
[13:31] <SQ5KVS> maybe
[13:31] <SQ5KVS> it's not fair :)
[13:32] <craag_philcrump> He should have changed his location but meh
[13:32] <craag_philcrump> more receivers is always good
[13:33] <SQ5KVS> sq5uln week ago received the Lithuanian balloon at -8 degrees below horizon :)
[13:34] <edmoore> maybe your call should change when you're virtual
[13:34] <edmoore> like marine or whatever
[13:34] <edmoore> SQ3MQD/IP
[13:35] <craag_philcrump> I use M0DNY_WebSDR
[13:35] <craag_philcrump> But then forget to change it when ground-testing in soton :P
[13:36] <hyde00001> shame....not 40K
[13:36] <hyde00001> oooh spoke too soon,
[13:37] <SQ5KVS> ANU can do it :)
[13:37] <hyde00001> saw ANU-2 briefly above ANU and thought it burst...
[13:38] <SQ5KVS> right, ANU-2 GPS alive
[13:38] <UpuWork> 40km
[13:39] <UpuWork> don't see that too much these days
[13:39] <SQ5KVS> tadaam
[13:39] <hyde00001> yeah!
[13:39] <garymortimer> whoop whoop
[13:39] <UpuWork> is Xaben up ?
[13:40] <craag_philcrump> UpuWork: I think he had cylinder thread issues.
[13:40] <UpuWork> ah ok
[13:40] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.2Km
[13:41] <UpuWork> Currently 22nd highest
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[13:41] <craag_philcrump> Ascent rate tailing off..
[13:41] <UpuWork> hey number10
[13:41] <UpuWork> you cracked 40km
[13:41] <number10> hi UpuWork
[13:41] <number10> yea cool
[13:41] <SQ5KVS> hm
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.3Km
[13:41] <craag_philcrump> err is this meant to float?
[13:42] <edmoore> hope you've got some solid hiking shoes
[13:42] <number10> need to beat my old record 42.4
[13:42] <number10> .5
[13:42] <SQ5KVS> the position anu and anu-2 are almost identical..
[13:42] <UpuWork> I would hope so given they are tied together
[13:42] <edmoore> ironic that it appears to have settled into a float just over a place called llandefalle
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.4Km
[13:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0ZTV-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0ZTV-1
[13:43] <craag_philcrump> Down to 1m/s
[13:43] <UpuWork> yeah
[13:43] <craag_philcrump> Gonna take a while to break 42.5 at this rate!
[13:43] <PB0AHX-Herman> 528.9km to anu from me wow
[13:43] <edmoore> benefit of the doubt - shear layer
[13:43] <edmoore> it's changing direction
[13:43] <craag_philcrump> ah
[13:43] <edmoore> so might be in a circulation zone
[13:43] <SQ5KVS> sloow..
[13:43] <UpuWork> or a float..
[13:44] <craag_philcrump> been too long since I've seen them go this high :)
[13:44] <UpuWork> yeah this is the oscillating / floating etc
[13:44] <UpuWork> don't be surprised if it comes down a little
[13:44] <UpuWork> then goes up
[13:44] <garymortimer> how much higher might it go?
[13:44] <UpuWork> gut feeling ? Not much more
[13:44] <edmoore> sure floating is the default explanation of this behaviour
[13:44] <edmoore> i'm just lobbing osmething else into the mix for fun
[13:44] <UpuWork> but seen this before
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.5Km
[13:45] <UpuWork> they oscillate then sometimes get significantly higher
[13:45] <UpuWork> but
[13:45] <UpuWork> usually higher than this
[13:45] <craag_philcrump> !dial ANU
[13:45] <SpacenearUS> 03craag_philcrump: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.526996 MHz, 434.52635 MHz, 434.5265 MHz, 434.526775 MHz
[13:45] <UpuWork> however
[13:45] <UpuWork> up is up
[13:45] <UpuWork> even for small values of up
[13:46] <edmoore> shame we don't measure airspeed
[13:46] <edmoore> guess that's quite tricky at 1m/s at >40km
[13:46] <garymortimer> heading home
[13:46] <KM4FSW> POP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> nearly floating
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> or oscillating
[13:47] <UpuWork> no KM4FSW
[13:47] <UpuWork> oscillations
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> very slow downward
[13:47] <KM4FSW> yeah think your right
[13:47] <UpuWork> [14:44] <UpuWork> don't be surprised if it comes down a little
[13:48] <garymortimer> satcount is low on pisky
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> climbing again
[13:48] <KM4FSW> whoo hoo
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> higher
[13:49] <bradfirj> Anyone have any experience witht he Si4060 and know how wide the FSK shift is? It's not in the data sheet :(
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.6Km
[13:50] <KM4FSW> whats the record for alt?
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> 44376
[13:50] <diegoesep> what balloon and payload weight are you using number10 ?
[13:50] <fsphil> 44379m
[13:51] <garymortimer> 40632
[13:51] <garymortimer> 626
[13:51] <garymortimer> do you have to break by 5% like others?
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[13:52] <number10> 1600g and payload was 270g diegoesep
[13:53] <craag_philcrump> What's the battery life number10 ?
[13:53] <edmoore> no - not much is made of the vertical accuracy uncertainty on the receivers either. people just trust for the time being
[13:53] <diegoesep> ok thanks number10
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[13:53] <diegoesep> helium or hydrogen?
[13:53] <UpuWork> Pisky is also tailing off
[13:53] <UpuWork> H2
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> back to 40.6
[13:53] <UpuWork> I'm +1ing Ed's suggestion
[13:53] <number10> 6 hours camera 7switches off then another hour tracker or so craag_philcrump
[13:54] <UpuWork> look at that now
[13:54] <garymortimer> up again
[13:54] <craag_philcrump> Cool, ta
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.7Km
[13:54] <UpuWork> inversion layer cleared
[13:54] <fsphil> ah ANU-2 is back
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup back climbing nicely
[13:54] <fsphil> this up and down thing often happens before burst
[13:54] <fsphil> or float
[13:56] <mattbrejza> !whereis anu
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03ANU is over 03Powys, UK 10(51.98419,-3.28762) at 0340814 meters
[13:56] <mattbrejza> !ascentrate anu
[13:56] <hyde00001> yeah 40K for PISKY
[13:57] <SQ5KVS> so, now it's really aero-STAT :)
[13:57] <fsphil> the signal from PISKY has weakened
[13:57] <edmoore> it's probably an oscillation before a float - in the sense that something rising until it's bouyant (that has some momentum) should give you a normal 2nd order system response
[13:57] <edmoore> like um...
[13:57] <edmoore> http://ctms.engin.umich.edu/CTMS/Content/Introduction/System/Analysis/html/Introduction_SystemAnalysis_04.png
[13:57] <edmoore> that kind of thing
[13:57] <fsphil> with a little stretch each time it goes above its bouyancy point?
[13:58] <edmoore> yeah possibly
[13:58] <UpuWork> Pisky is 700 meters below ANU
[13:58] <edmoore> that sounds a bit nonlinear and scary tho
[13:58] <fsphil> wonder if it's too far to image ANU
[13:58] <UpuWork> be lying if I said I wasn't looking :)
[13:58] <edmoore> but it would be interesting to plot the vertical velocity vs ime (at a faster rate) on this kind of thing and see if it's oscillating or just being moved around within an air mass
[13:58] <UpuWork> pisky burst
[13:58] <fsphil> hehe yea
[13:58] <fsphil> there's a dot in image 27, top right:)
[13:58] <fsphil> aww
[13:59] <diegoesep> burst !
[14:00] <fsphil> didn't miss an image packet. nice
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[14:01] <UpuWork> 18th
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> 40.9Km for Anu
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[14:01] <garymortimer> there it is
[14:02] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: I see only dust on my monitor
[14:03] <fsphil> .
[14:03] <SQ5KVS> hm.. maybe....
[14:03] <fsphil> impossible to say at this jpeg quality level
[14:03] <fsphil> the stored images will be much better
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[14:03] <SQ5KVS> right
[14:04] <FuzzyLemon> We found Griffen! 10 metres away from catching it!
[14:04] <fsphil> congrats. how close to the power lines was it?
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes good going
[14:04] <garymortimer> Well done
[14:04] <garymortimer> 41k would be a good thing right
[14:05] <gonzo_pp> bacon in brecon
[14:05] <hyde00001> Congratulations FuzzyLemmon
[14:05] <craag_philcrump> garymortimer: His PB is 42.5
[14:05] <craag_philcrump> Aiming for that I think ;)
[14:05] <FuzzyLemon> not close to power lines - near miss with stream though
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> 41.0Km
[14:05] <garymortimer> Oh wow
[14:05] <fsphil> woo
[14:06] <fsphil> and still rising
[14:06] <SQ5KVS> sloowlyyy..
[14:06] <garymortimer> is there another recovery crew for pisk
[14:06] <fsphil> FuzzyLemon: parachute still attached? it seemed to come down at a fair speed
[14:06] <garymortimer> thats a lovely road its heading for very pretty
[14:07] <gonzo_pp> could we pretend that the lens artifacts are arora?
[14:07] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: at 38km there is no enought air to slow down much
[14:07] <edmoore> SQ5KVS, you misunderstand phil
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> 41.1Km
[14:07] <craag_philcrump> SQ5KVS: Even at ground level it was going very fast.
[14:07] <edmoore> and also i'm quite sure he understands parachute dynamics sufficiently
[14:07] <gonzo_pp> any pub recomendations for them garymortimer
[14:07] <fsphil> lol gonzo_pp
[14:07] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: Ok :)
[14:07] <garymortimer> No thats over the border that should not be crossed
[14:08] <FuzzyLemon> parachute got a bit tangled! 7m/s descent
[14:08] <fsphil> image 29 is like a painting
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[14:09] <garymortimer> is there a place to see the images from afar?
[14:09] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/PISKY
[14:09] <garymortimer> thanks
[14:10] <edmoore> if you stand against the opposite wall to the one where you computer is fsphil
[14:10] <edmoore> sorry garymortimer even
[14:10] <fsphil> hah
[14:10] <edmoore> or perhaps even from the hallways looking into the room with the computer
[14:10] <fsphil> we could describe the images to you
[14:10] <fsphil> "the sky is dark. there is a gently curving horizon..."
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[14:11] <pc1pcl> "suddenly a grue eats you.."
[14:11] <SQ5KVS> and underneath is something vague
[14:11] <edmoore> if anu bursts anytime soon it's going to land right in the black mountains
[14:12] <SQ5KVS> it's .. Ah,, its wales
[14:12] <edmoore> lovely day for a hike but still, not easy
[14:12] <garymortimer> do you have them in broil, sorry I will feel that again
[14:12] <garymortimer> thanks for the link amazing
[14:13] <fsphil> nice image now
[14:13] <SQ5KVS> right
[14:13] <fsphil> north wales I think
[14:13] <garymortimer> for those here earlier I mentioned I had been up Lord Herefords Knob well its not far away http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twmpa
[14:13] <gonzo_pp> Wales. Where men are men, and sheep are worried.
[14:14] <edmoore> i have also climbed that knob
[14:14] <fsphil> !dial anu
[14:14] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03ANU-9 10(ce0d): 03434.526891 MHz, 434.526775 MHz, 434.52635 MHz, 434.526564 MHz, 434.5265 MHz
[14:14] <edmoore> well, walked
[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which flight had the older style balloon?
[14:14] <garymortimer> big direction change
[14:14] <SQ5KVS> twmpa sounds like me on -30*C
[14:15] <fsphil> oh weird
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PISKY_20150423/PISKY_201504231414.jpg
[14:15] <fsphil> it's coming right at me
[14:16] <garymortimer> The pic of the Bristol Channel is great #20
[14:16] <gonzo_pp> there is a, now closed, pub near me, called the 'dorset knob'. Though I think that the locals who drank there were to. Prob why it cloised
[14:16] <edmoore> fascinaing
[14:16] <edmoore> some fun atmospherics up there
[14:17] <fsphil> where met sondes fear to fly
[14:17] <russss> I like the way this channel these days is 50% HAB and 50% pub reviews
[14:17] <SQ5KVS> what is on the image 30? Cardigan?
[14:17] <garymortimer> you can still buy the biscuits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorset_knob
[14:17] <edmoore> yes i have a tin of those biscuits
[14:17] <edmoore> note my surname
[14:18] <garymortimer> ?knob
[14:18] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: You miss "f" ? :D
[14:18] <Flerb> Hi
[14:18] <nigelp> PISKY No tx
[14:19] <fsphil> he's head of a biscuit empire
[14:19] <fsphil> that survived the great cookie crumble of 1980
[14:20] <Flerb> I remember when I requested data on the biscuits served in the house of commons cafeterias
[14:20] <Flerb> that was fun
[14:20] <fsphil> if it wasn't for the water and clouds, image #30 could be Mars
[14:20] <pc1pcl> http://www.moores-biscuits.co.uk/
[14:20] <Flerb> they come from a nice family
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[14:21] <SQ5KVS> ah, I was thinkig "feed more" :D
[14:22] <SQ5KVS> pc1pcl: ha, nice old photos
[14:22] <SQ5KVS> I like
[14:22] <edmoore> they make nice tins for utensils and things in the kitchen
[14:22] <garymortimer> thats not old in Dorset
[14:23] <fsphil> PISKY gone quiet?
[14:23] <garymortimer> heading up again
[14:23] <UpuWork> 15th...
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Gone for me dropped rapidly
[14:23] <fsphil> 7 minutes since the last RX
[14:23] <mattbrejza> !whereis anu
[14:23] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03ANU is over 03Powys, UK 10(51.97365,-3.27907) at 0341362 meters
[14:24] <garymortimer> difficult terrain for anyone else in the UK to hear once low
[14:24] <fsphil> 10km isn't that low
[14:24] <edmoore> we still have a lost rocket upper stage in similar terrain
[14:24] <nigelp> Carrier just stopped came back a couple of times for a few secs but nothing for some time.
[14:24] <edmoore> but up in scotland
[14:24] <edmoore> was hard to track from down ina valley
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[14:25] <garymortimer> won't be 10 now
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anu has been at 41.3Km for 8 minutes now ....
[14:26] <hyde00001> Is ANU fitted with a "Return To Home" feature?
[14:26] <fsphil> I think we can declare it a float
[14:26] <SQ5KVS> Yeah it's really hard to find something not very spectacular even on the grass field, what if it's a forest or hills...
[14:27] Action: fsphil ponders getting the car ready
[14:28] <SQ5KVS> I have meteorite hunters friends
[14:28] <edmoore> does meteorite hunter want them back?
[14:28] <fsphil> oh it's turning east
[14:28] <garymortimer> landing at three cocks
[14:28] <garymortimer> almost
[14:28] <diegoesep> fsphil, with a 250g payload and 1600g ballon, what can be the cause of being a floater?
[14:28] <diegoesep> the usage of H2 , slow ascent rate?
[14:29] <edmoore> higher alt
[14:29] <fsphil> slow ascent rate, good quality envelope
[14:29] <UpuWork> heh
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[14:29] <fsphil> ground speed is picking up
[14:30] <edmoore> if i didn't know any better i'd say that, given all the energetics in the very top of the atmosphere there, we're in for a fairly substantial change of weather soon
[14:31] <UpuWork> well no matter what happens now I think thats a good contender for highest alt
[14:31] <UpuWork> unless of course the mexicans decided to take part
[14:31] <mattbrejza> UpuWork: is there a leaderboard ot similar?
[14:31] <UpuWork> not seen one
[14:31] <gonzo_pp> will bacon stop to listen for pi, or carry on chasing?
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> 41.4Km
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[14:32] <RocketBoy> hi folks - gas bottle problems fixed - back on shortly
[14:32] <edmoore> it's still got a way to go for the alt record no?
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> 44.4Km
[14:32] <edmoore> at this ascent rate it'd have a lot of work to do
[14:32] <mattbrejza> the gsbc15 record though
[14:32] <edmoore> oh right
[14:33] <edmoore> sorry
[14:33] <UpuWork> well
[14:33] <RocketBoy> possibly
[14:33] <edmoore> well schmeh to that
[14:33] <RocketBoy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQMuWF_GNAo
[14:33] <UpuWork> are you launching RocketBoy ?
[14:33] <RocketBoy> yep - now
[14:33] <UpuWork> chop chop sunset and all that
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[14:34] <UpuWork> 4.6 hours till sunset at ground level
[14:35] <UpuWork> 49680m altitude @ 3m/s ascent should be good
[14:35] <SQ5KVS> :)
[14:36] <garymortimer> blast eldest missed bus so have to go and get him dont let it burst till im back
[14:36] <fsphil> lol
[14:36] <edmoore> he does it to spite you
[14:37] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: ANU currently at 41500 meters and climbing slowly @GSBChallenge http://t.co/IxvE60XnI7 #ukhas
[14:38] <SA6BSS> looks like its slowly losing alt, looks like its loosing helium slowly
[14:38] <UpuWork> I suspect very little helium in there SA6BSS
[14:38] <UpuWork> Hydrogen
[14:38] <UpuWork> its just oscillating in a float
[14:38] <edmoore> the time period on noticeable helium loss through those balloons is hours/days
[14:39] <edmoore> you won't be losing 0.5m/s vertical rate on the order of an hour, the effect is much smaller
[14:39] <UpuWork> The moving round live feed is good
[14:39] <SQ5KVS> one hour more and anu will be at 42km
[14:39] <SA6BSS> jepp looks like it, gaining alt again :)
[14:40] <UpuWork> so if it survives till sunset it will drop significantly
[14:40] <UpuWork> then rise in the morning and pop
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its just bobbing along http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/ANU-9_20150423/ANU_201504231439.jpg
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[14:41] <Ian_> Welcome back RocketBoy - all sitting comfortably.
[14:41] <UpuWork> going in scircles
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[14:41] <edmoore> fun isn't it
[14:41] <UpuWork> annoying I need to do some work
[14:41] <UpuWork> wonderfully distracting
[14:41] <mattbrejza> steve fills those much faster than we do
[14:41] <NCnearspace> Congrats on altitude ANU !
[14:42] <mattbrejza> !whereis anu
[14:42] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03ANU is over 03Powys, UK 10(52.03168,-3.29234) at 0341600 meters
[14:42] <UpuWork> 14th
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[14:42] <fsphil> ah the precision two bottles of milk
[14:42] <edmoore> i bet i can put 3m^3 of hydrogen accurately into a balloon quicker than anyone else here #justsaying
[14:42] <mattbrejza> sure itll all go into the balloon and not escape at high speed?
[14:42] <UpuWork> does the ballon survive afterwards ?
[14:43] <UpuWork> I've see what you do with combustable gases
[14:43] <edmoore> heh i might have to dail it back quite a lot to stop the balloon detonating
[14:43] <edmoore> dail*
[14:43] <edmoore> dial*
[14:43] <edmoore> fingers not behaving
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[14:44] <mattbrejza> a sign of confidence in your methods when you dont hold onto the balloon during filling
[14:44] <edmoore> ... and i sure as hell would be nowehere near the balloon with this fill method
[14:44] <edmoore> i'd be safely in the control room
[14:45] <bradfirj> What do you do again edmoore ? :p
[14:45] <UpuWork> going in the neck
[14:45] <UpuWork> nice
[14:46] <edmoore> bradfirj, bad things to hydrogen
[14:46] <edmoore> yeah the neck computer is cute
[14:46] <fsphil> blair hab launch project
[14:46] <UpuWork> 13th
[14:47] <UpuWork> he's just going to cut that string and let it go isn't he
[14:47] <edmoore> cool guys don't need sunglasses
[14:48] <fsphil> UpuWork: hah
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Has he turned the tracker on ?
[14:48] <mattbrejza> lol
[14:48] <fsphil> look how calm it is there
[14:48] <fsphil> not fair
[14:49] <edmoore> to be fair it's even making me miss hab a bit
[14:49] <edmoore> perfectly still lovely days at ears
[14:49] <edmoore> lie on the grass and watch it go straight up
[14:49] <fsphil> wonder if he'll duct tape that, or trust the cable tie
[14:49] <mattbrejza> hd streaming, nice
[14:50] <fsphil> hmm he's putting something else on
[14:50] <fsphil> can't see
[14:51] <mattbrejza> !whereis anu
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03ANU is over 03Powys, UK 10(52.04309,-3.28633) at 0341720 meters
[14:51] <mattbrejza> (yes this is easier than finding the tab)
[14:53] <UpuWork> calling ATC
[14:54] <edmoore> ello bourne
[14:54] <mattbrejza> 'oh its you again'
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right switch aerials ANU now on colinear and Elsworth on the beam!
[14:55] <edmoore> i got my 'hello cambridge' affectation from steve
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[14:57] <SQ5KVS> anu pop ?
[14:58] <SQ5KVS> yes
[14:58] <Jededu> pop!
[14:58] <mattbrejza> !whereis anu
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03ANU is over 03Powys, UK 10(52.04304,-3.30012) at 0339566 meters
[14:58] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03uX5 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=uX5
[14:58] <edmoore> the jellyfish of destiny departs
[14:58] <craag_philcrump> 41817m
[14:59] <SQ5KVS> good lord that Anu isn't' over "Three cocks"
[14:59] <fsphil> one pops just as the other launches
[14:59] <fsphil> "there can be only one"
[15:00] <fsphil> shades back on
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[15:07] <SQ5KVS> congratulations!
[15:07] <SQ5KVS> any by
[15:07] <SQ5KVS> bye
[15:07] <pc1pcl> !dial uX5
[15:07] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(f05b): 03434.5522 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.55131 MHz, 434.551464 MHz, 434.5517 MHz, 434.5521 MHz
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[15:08] <Laurenceb__> dl-fldigi now reports carrier?
[15:09] <Ian_> Thanks for the video stream Steve
[15:09] <Ian_> Fine business
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[15:09] <edmoore> hope that usage was ironic
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[15:10] <mattbrejza> hmm 2.5m/s for xaben, risk of floating low rather than going high
[15:10] <edmoore> so i just found an adis16407 in an old sock at work
[15:10] <edmoore> not sure how it got there
[15:10] <Laurenceb__> heh pricey
[15:11] <edmoore> about the same as some of our hydraulic fittings
[15:11] <bradfirj> Inside a sock you say
[15:11] <edmoore> notions of pricey renormalize if you spend a while round rocket engines
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[15:13] <Laurenceb__> a lot of very nice parts in there
[15:15] <edmoore> inside a not very nice sock
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[15:18] <Laurenceb__> anyone here ever used samba on linux?
[15:18] <mattbrejza> how does it compare to the newer stuff? (the adis)
[15:18] <pc1pcl> Laurenceb__: yes
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[15:18] <mattbrejza> the newer £5 QFN packages that are all over the place
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[15:18] <Laurenceb__> pc1pcl: im getting error 13 trying to connect to a server
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[15:19] <Laurenceb__> all I've changed is my password in smbcredentials, im trying to work out wtf is wrong
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[15:19] <pc1pcl> linux server or linux client (or both?)
[15:20] <Laurenceb__> linux client, windows server
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[15:20] <Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/10109776
[15:21] <bradfirj> check creds on your credential file
[15:21] <bradfirj> needs to be 6000
[15:21] <bradfirj> 600*
[15:21] <edmoore> mattbrejza, i don't know
[15:21] <edmoore> i suspect it's a lot better than anything you'll get for $5
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> check line 2
[15:21] <bradfirj> check perms*
[15:21] <pc1pcl> according to pastie, it is.
[15:21] <bradfirj> I'm bad
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> lol
[15:22] <bradfirj> Verbose mount command? Moar detail
[15:22] <mattbrejza> i was under the impression (for some reason) it is somewhat old
[15:22] <Laurenceb__> good idea
[15:22] <pc1pcl> if you try the mount 'by hand' with credentials etc. given interactively, does it work?
[15:22] <edmoore> it's not that old
[15:22] <bradfirj> Tbh any samba permissions issues when contacting windows shares is almost always that ntmlv2 singing shit
[15:23] <bradfirj> That they _really_ should have fixed in every stable version of samba but haven't
[15:23] <Laurenceb__> ,pass=*****
[15:23] <Laurenceb__> should the number of * match true password length?
[15:23] <pc1pcl> I'd also check that the changed credentials are really correct, no stupid unprintable characters at the end etc.
[15:23] <Laurenceb__> hmm ok
[15:23] <bradfirj> Laurenceb__: What I suggest is trying mount.cifs manually
[15:24] <mattbrejza> oh right
[15:24] <pc1pcl> also make sure the mount is really using the credentials in that file and not some other copy of it somewhere with the old info.
[15:25] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[15:25] <Laurenceb__> so confusing
[15:27] <pc1pcl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871142#8 looks liek a clear overview of how it should work,m including example of doing it 'by hand' first
[15:27] <Laurenceb__> thanks
[15:29] <Laurenceb__> aha
[15:29] <Laurenceb__> needed username@domain
[15:29] <Laurenceb__> dunno how it ever worked before, maybe windows server was upgraded or something...
[15:29] <Laurenceb__> thanks
[15:30] <bradfirj> At work?
[15:30] <Ian_> is XABEN-87 on the map as uX5?
[15:30] <bradfirj> As in, not your server
[15:30] <Laurenceb__> yes
[15:30] <bradfirj> It's possible the AD Forest or the server was upgraded
[15:30] <Laurenceb__> well its an NHS server
[15:30] <pc1pcl> Ian_: difference between flight and payload name, so yes.
[15:30] <Ian_> Thanks Laurencab
[15:30] <bradfirj> either of those can alter the auth requirements
[15:30] <Ian_> * pc1pcl
[15:31] <bradfirj> In particular, you may find there's now a second forest/org present and the AD needs the @domain to differentiate which domain to ident you against
[15:31] <bradfirj> Had that happen to me, org acquired smaller org, suddenly we need domain\username to login instead of just username
[15:33] <garymortimer> handy fo rthe road if anu stays on track
[15:35] <edmoore> it'll be down by now i think
[15:36] <LunarWork> see you all later
[15:36] <pc1pcl> Vegetarian dinner..
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[15:38] <pc1pcl> !dial ux5
[15:38] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(f05b): 03434.5537 MHz, 434.553355 MHz, 434.55641 MHz, 434.55333 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.5534 MHz, 434.553464 MHz, 434.5532 MHz
[15:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4EFW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4EFW-11
[15:42] <garymortimer> bracken or Christmas trees
[15:43] <Ian_> PISKY photos: synced on same point in package rotation?
[15:44] <Ian_> or just coincidence?
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[15:46] <garymortimer> it just moved a fair bit walking??
[15:46] <edmoore> whenever i move she starts to wag her tail and watches me closely for a sign that it might be tennis-ball time https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywdnlezvmfwj2by/2015-04-23%2016.45.24.jpg?dl=0
[15:46] <bradfirj> Guys, anyone point me to some resources for how to choose choke inductors/capacitors on a TX line?
[15:46] <bradfirj> As in this application note http://i.imgur.com/nW91C5y.png
[15:46] <garymortimer> oh no and back
[15:47] <mattbrejza> bradfirj: there should be some appnotes that just give you the values for the frequency you want to use (easy mode)
[15:47] <bradfirj> I assume you're trying to size your inductors to block frequencies outside the range you're transmitting
[15:47] <bradfirj> Hmm I'll take another look
[15:48] <edmoore> you're also impedance matching
[15:48] <mattbrejza> the first inductor/cap is probably a impedance match to the IC, then the rest is a 50ohm LC filter
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[15:52] <bradfirj> Ok so, having found the correct app note, it's safe to follow those to the letter?
[15:52] <bradfirj> Is trace impedance going to be a big issue on a tracker PCB (you may notice I have little to no RF experience)
[15:53] <Ian_> At least AMU looks like it cleared the tree line in the right direction, unless it made it to those in the north.
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[15:55] <edmoore> bradfirj, no
[15:55] <bradfirj> Ok, thanks
[15:55] <edmoore> so a useful rule of thumb which works most of the time is that if they physical distances you're dealing with are less than about 1/16 of a wavelength of your operating frequency, you can treat it as roughly dc
[15:56] <edmoore> i.e. not doing anything special
[15:56] <edmoore> so at 434MHz (assuming this is for hab Tx) 1 wavelength is 70cm
[15:56] <bradfirj> That's why it gets critical at multi-GHz ranges then?
[15:56] <edmoore> so if you keep the whole chain less than about 4cm then you're fine
[15:56] <edmoore> yes
[15:56] <bradfirj> Right, thanks
[15:57] <Ian_> Technique: XABEN-87 - I noticed that Steve placed the puck/package into the neck of the balloon and then removed the upper cable tie, thus saving a couple of grams, but also increasing the volume of the envelope very slightly, whilst also distributing the stress of the neck seal.
[15:57] <Ian_> All techniques to extract that extra few metres altitude I guess? Attention to detail :)
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[15:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G8KHW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=G8KHW_chase
[16:00] <Laurenceb__> http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-1662.png
[16:00] <edmoore> wow
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyone else getting a lot of "scratchy" noise on uX5 signal ?
[16:01] <edmoore> appeared a troll but on inspection, relevant
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[16:01] <Ian_> Stay true to the Bacon chaps; don't worry the sheep! Movement on the Bacon chase car
[16:02] <edmoore> i'm not entirely sure what advice you just issued Ian_
[16:02] <edmoore> not sure i want to know either
[16:03] <Ian_> #me Licks fingers and puts away the mint sauce.
[16:03] <edmoore> still unsure.
[16:04] Nick change: Jaggie|ZzZz -> Jaggir
[16:04] Nick change: Jaggir -> Jaggie
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[16:05] <number10> ANU recovered
[16:05] <Ian_> The chase car icon moved. Thought that they were about to decamp having retrieved AMU - apparently have.
[16:05] <fsphil> nice one number10
[16:05] <Ian_> Bacon butty time - congrats
[16:05] <number10> quite a lot of rubber still on
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[16:05] <Ian_> edmoore doesn't know what you mean . . . ;)
[16:05] <number10> 10 feet away from trees so lucky
[16:06] <Ian_> That was the trees to the south?
[16:06] <Ian_> Just cleared them?
[16:07] <number10> yes ttrees to the south
[16:08] <number10> unfortunately no signal from pisky
[16:09] <fsphil> hopefully someone finds it
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[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Huh noise has gone! thankyou
[16:14] <G6ZKC> Anyone know what frequency uX5 is on please?
[16:14] <fsphil> welcome
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial ux5
[16:14] <fsphil> !dial ux5
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(f05b): 03434.551449 MHz, 434.55086 MHz, 434.55361 MHz, 434.551 MHz, 434.5512 MHz, 434.550913 MHz, 434.551429 MHz, 434.66 MHz
[16:14] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(f05b): 03434.551449 MHz, 434.55086 MHz, 434.55361 MHz, 434.551 MHz, 434.5512 MHz, 434.550913 MHz, 434.551429 MHz, 434.66 MHz
[16:14] <fsphil> hehe
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> snap
[16:15] <G6ZKC> Thanks, I'll see if I can hear it in west Cornwall ....
[16:16] <Ian_> What's the plan? Gwenddwr and then SSW to the vicinity slightly to the north of Coedcaeau in the hope of being able to pick up a signal from there?
[16:17] <Ian_> Based on the last predicted landing spot.
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[16:31] <daveake> afternoon
[16:31] <daveake> shame about pisky dying but good SSDV pix anyway
[16:31] <daveake> Got #10's payload so that's good
[16:32] <daveake> Nice drive too
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[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes nice flight daveake, pisky seemed to just to stop dead
[16:38] <Ian_> Many thanks for the activity daveake. I guess that if the tx croaked it then the chances of finding it on the ground today were pretty remote, given the altitude of the last fix?
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[16:47] <Upu> !dial ux5
[16:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03uX5 10(f05b): 03434.553269 MHz, 434.5555 MHz, 434.5517 MHz, 434.552459 MHz, 434.552383 MHz, 434.5527 MHz, 434.553249 MHz
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[17:00] <RocketBoy> just watching the balloon go overhead
[17:00] <RocketBoy> what a clear day!
[17:00] <RocketBoy> 32Km up
[17:01] <Ian_> Eagle eyes or binoculars Steve?
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[17:02] <Ian_> I watch bees flying and after about 15m they hit the vanishing point
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[17:04] <RocketBoy> eyes - and camera
[17:05] <RocketBoy> its just like a star
[17:05] <Ian_> A lorra lorra optical zoom. Good video by the way.
[17:06] <Ian_> 16:57] <Ian_> Technique: XABEN-87 - I noticed that Steve placed the puck/package into the neck of the balloon and then removed the upper cable tie, thus saving a couple of grams, but also increasing the volume of the envelope very slightly, whilst also distributing the stress of the neck seal.
[17:07] <Ian_> No one commented, but I imagine that every little counts to a certain degree.
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> i wondered about removing some of the neck
[17:07] <Laurenceb__> with a knife
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[17:10] <DJ3AK> faint RTTY nw here from UX5
[17:13] <RocketBoy> photo as it passed overhead https://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/16626336153/
[17:13] <RocketBoy> 250mm lens on a canon 550d
[17:13] <RocketBoy> cropped of course
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[17:15] <DJ3AK> RTTY not far from green decode now
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
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[17:22] <DJ3AK> green decode nw. abt 750 km distance and still below horizon
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[17:24] <edmoore> ascent rate still confident and bold and decisive
[17:26] <mattbrejza> this one is showing no signs of wanting to float
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[17:27] <DJ3AK> green decode for minutes now aready
[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K7BYI-6 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K7BYI-6
[17:28] <DutchMillbt> DJ3AK you'r number 4 in the distance list now https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[17:29] <mattbrejza> looks like its gonna take the day's record
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[17:30] <edmoore> yep
[17:30] <edmoore> anu beaten
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[17:31] <mattbrejza> persumably the highest object currently in the earths atmosphere
[17:32] <lz1dev> !whereis ux5
[17:32] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03uX5 is over 03Bedford, UK 10(52.18667,-0.53661) at 0342697 meters
[17:32] <DJ3AK> oh thanks. nw it is 756.5 km away from me
[17:33] <mattbrejza> pop
[17:33] <mattbrejza> potentuially
[17:33] <mattbrejza> signal gone crap
[17:33] <DJ3AK> ups, stops transmitting nw?
[17:33] <mattbrejza> yep
[17:33] <edmoore> aye
[17:33] <diegoesep> burst
[17:34] <edmoore> oh well, it got today's crown
[17:34] <lz1dev> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[17:34] <lz1dev> ^ this page needs updating
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[17:34] <DJ3AK> dl-fldigi has it at 756.7 km last decode here at 42834 m height
[17:36] <diegoesep> 42895m wow
[17:36] <mattbrejza> lol thats not even steves PB
[17:37] <mattbrejza> 3rd on his list
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[17:48] <Laurenceb__> nice
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[17:51] <Laurenceb__> new number 7
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[17:56] <Ian_> Congratulations Steve, now if you can convince it to land in your garden, you will get SPECIAL bonus points.
[17:57] <mattbrejza> its gonna have to grow wings to land in his garden
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[18:01] <Upu> good effort
[18:01] <pc1pcl> might still get it in a hole on that golfcourse
[18:03] <diegoesep> country
[18:03] <diegoesep> bedford and county golf club :)
[18:03] <diegoesep> http://www.bedfordandcountygolfclub.co.uk/
[18:03] <prog> we need to break that 800km record with airspy
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[18:04] <mattbrejza> -11m/s hmm
[18:05] <ES5TF> Hello
[18:05] <edmoore> i suspect it'd be the pre-amp + antenna + atmospherics that breaks it rather than the airspy :)
[18:05] <ES5TF> I have a question about registering a HAB flight in tracker
[18:05] <prog> edmoore: these are part of the equation
[18:06] <ES5TF> is it enough to just register a flight in Habitat or should I do anything else to show a flight in tracker web page?
[18:06] <edmoore> prog, they're the main part of the equation
[18:06] <edmoore> digitising is the easy bit
[18:07] <prog> I'd say there's still something to be done in the DSP side
[18:07] <lz1dev> ES5TF: are you using APRS?
[18:07] <ES5TF> No, RTTY
[18:07] <edmoore> sure i guess
[18:08] <edmoore> but dsp isn't really an airspy part of the equation either unless i'm missing something?
[18:08] <lz1dev> ES5TF: did you make flight doc and had it approved?
[18:09] <Ian_> A field before Nearly Oak Lodge, on The Baulk, there is a left turn, opposite farm buidings (on your right) into a turning space with a small building. Which should put you nearest to the predicted landing spot
[18:09] <prog> edmoore: low phase noise and more oversampling
[18:09] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[18:09] <edmoore> fair enough
[18:09] <Ian_> From GMaps it looks like it's in a field of rape or beans (last year or so)
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[18:10] <ES5TF> Good question, I'll forward the question :)
[18:14] <ES5TF> Ok, no documents (except description of the payload)
[18:14] <ES5TF> Should those documents be submitted/done at http://habitat.habhub.org/ ?
[18:14] <G3WDI> Fl digi gives error couldn't set stationary location: invalid float I checked that my locator is set etc any ideas
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[18:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> G3WDI, The code in dl-fldigi on windows version is broken for that feature :(
[18:19] <G3WDI> does that explain why I did not appear on the map today although i was decoding for most of the day/
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[18:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes you need to fill on the static bit above it.
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[18:25] <x-f> ES5TF, hey
[18:25] <G3WDI> sorry Geoff where ?
[18:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Where you entered the GPS pott details, above it is a static location for completion
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[18:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> DL config locatiob
[18:27] <x-f> ES5TF, http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ - i see there are two "payload docs" for your balloon, you have to create a "flight doc" now, fill all launch info, add the right (probably latest) payload doc to it
[18:28] <x-f> ES5TF, you'll get a long ID number, go to #habhub then, paste it and ask for it to approve
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[18:31] <RocketBoy> live again for the recovery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQMuWF_GNAo
[18:32] <ES5TF> Hi cristaps
[18:32] <ES5TF> Kristaps
[18:32] <x-f> hi
[18:32] <ES5TF> Tnx for info, I'll send that information to our team guys
[18:35] <G3WDI> thanks Geoff I had forgotton that box!
[18:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Just get the west=-be right else you will be in North Sea!
[18:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> -ve
[18:38] <G3WDI> I am almost!
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[18:47] Nick change: kc2pit_ -> kc2pit
[18:52] <Ian_> Should have driven down that track and saved your legs Steve.
[18:52] <Ian_> Well done.
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[18:55] <Ian_> Ah, gate . . .
[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Wait to see the pics now!
[18:57] <RocketBoy> all recovered
[18:57] <RocketBoy> me 2
[18:57] <RocketBoy> ttfn
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[18:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Thanks Steve!
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[19:23] <ES5TF> Hi Jorma
[19:24] <Jorma> Helo
[19:24] <Jorma> Hello
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[19:41] <Reb-SM3U1C> evening!
[19:42] <Upu> evening
[19:43] <Jorma> Hello, I have U-blox MAX M8Q GPS module, does setting it to airbourne mode is one-time process, or does it have to be in the code to set every time when it is turned on?
[19:44] <Upu> the latter
[19:44] <Upu> the MAX modules have no flash to store settings
[19:44] <Upu> so you have to send the command each time
[19:44] <Jorma> Thank you very much, will do !
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[19:50] <Jaggie> Doesn't GPS disable itself above a certain altitude? Any alternatives?
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[19:51] <mikestir> some receivers can go higher than others
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[19:52] <mclane_> ublox recommended for balloon flights
[19:52] <mclane_> you can put them in "airborne mode"
[19:52] <mclane_> then they work above 18 km
[19:53] <mclane_> which is the typical limit for many other gps receivers
[19:54] <Upu> ublox are good for 50km
[19:54] <Upu> possibly more
[19:54] <Jaggie> Hmm..I'll check it out
[19:54] <Upu> you don't need to I can tell you :)
[19:54] <Upu> check the map
[19:54] <Upu> four flights today
[19:54] <Jaggie> Does GPS work above the orbit of GPS satillites?
[19:54] <Upu> all over 40km
[19:55] <Upu> no because then it would be outside of the COCOM speed limit
[19:55] <Upu> as long as you keep below 1000 knots
[19:55] <Upu> you're ok
[19:55] <Jaggie> Ok
[19:55] <Jaggie> In _theory_, they should work everywhere, right?
[19:56] <mclane_> yes
[19:56] <mclane_> however, the antennas point towards the earth
[19:57] <mclane_> so it might be difficult to receive the signals when you are in a higher orbit
[20:00] <Jaggie> Okay
[20:00] <Upu> planning on going into space ?
[20:00] <Jaggie> Maybe, in the future
[20:01] <Jaggie> You guys probably do it on a regular basis
[20:01] <Jaggie> So many prerequisites
[20:01] <mclane_> just stratosphere
[20:01] <mclane_> space is >100km
[20:01] <Upu> are you thinking of doing a launch ?
[20:01] <Jaggie> Anyone use GLONASS?
[20:01] <Jaggie> Upu, not yet
[20:02] <Upu> the max modules do Glonass by default alongside the GPS GNSS
[20:02] <Upu> however
[20:02] <Upu> power saving doesn't work that well (i.e at all) in multi GNSS mode with the Ublox so normally switch back to GPS only GNSS
[20:03] <russss> iirc they've managed to get a fix above the orbit of the GPS constellation
[20:03] <russss> somehow. Magic, I assume
[20:03] <Upu> have a read of http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 Jaggie
[20:05] <russss> http://www.sstl.co.uk/Press/Retired-GIOVE-A-satellite-helps-SSTL-demonstrate-f
[20:07] <Upu> interesting
[20:07] <kc2pit> "Spacecraft in orbits higher than the 20,000 km of the GPS constellation, however, can only receive a few of the signals that spill over from the far side of the Earth, meaning that the signals are much weaker..." Not magic, just really good weak signal performance.
[20:08] <kc2pit> (Nobody tell 'em that RF is actually all magic.)
[20:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
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[20:11] <Upu> gets about...
[20:16] <Jorma> I created the fllight document on habitat, now somebody has to review it and approve it?
[20:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need to post the Flight Doc ID number in #habhub, after you have tested that the payload doc is the correct one and working.
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[20:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> use /j #habhub and post the Doc ID with a request toapprove, the Bot will help
[20:19] <russss> kc2pit: I'm going to go ahead and call that magic
[20:19] <Jorma> How can I test it ?
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Send some telemtery strings into the server, just to make sure it appears correctly
[20:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Once its approved you can't easily change the payload doc information so this just make sure it all works!
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[20:25] <Jorma> I see
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[20:28] <Jorma> How do I send my data to the server? (I'm doing it for the first time, it is kind of confusing, sorry.)
[20:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK you have been using dl-fldigi ?
[20:29] <Jorma> I need to see it at the tracker ?
[20:29] <Jorma> Yes
[20:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK when you have tested the payload, then on the bottom status line of dl-fldigi has it said successfully uploaded ?
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[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Like this http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Capture4.JPG
[20:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> if so then it should appear on the map as well if the data formatting is correct, has that happened ?
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[20:39] <Jorma> Sorry Geoff, I'm running some unexpected trouble with my code
[20:39] <sloopjb11> I've uploaded a new floater spreadsheet calculator for balloon/payload design, atmospheric data, and flying altitude at http://www.jupiterspacestation.org/rcmodeling/balloon.html
[20:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's what testing is about Jorma, nps!
[20:42] <sloopjb11> it's free, but copyrighted.... John
[20:45] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
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[21:26] <Jorma> I probably have some different version of fldigi
[21:26] <Jorma> How do I get the HAB version of fldigi ?
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[21:31] <fsphil> https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
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[22:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Norma, You will also need to read this https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Jorma 
[22:12] <Jorma> I'm having troubles getting dl-fldigi to work in hab mode, I can't understand what I'm doing wrong
[22:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Have you tried the guide above?
[22:14] <Jorma> How do I open it in HAB mode..?
[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> --HAB After the exe
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[22:16] <Jorma> I downloaded the source of dl-fldigi from: https://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[22:16] <mfa298> Jorma: what type of system are you running on ?
[22:16] <Jorma> Windows 7
[22:16] <mfa298> there should be an installer you can download and run
[22:17] <mfa298> the source isn't much use unless you have a suitable compiler to create an exe file, And building a windows version is not an easy task
[22:18] <Jorma> I got (and been using all the time) fldigi
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> The Windows binaries are on that first link above
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[22:19] <mfa298> dl-fldigi has various additions to fldigi for hab specific stuff
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[22:20] <Jorma> I've been trying to get the dl-fldigi, but somehow i can't understand what to do
[22:20] <Jorma> Usually never had troubles with installing a program...
[22:21] <mfa298> on the page you linked earlier, fourth link down. "dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe"
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Try this link https://github.com/ukhas/dl-fldigi/releases/download/DL3.1/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[22:22] <mfa298> downloading the source code is almost certainly not what you want
[22:23] <Jorma> Oh...come on............argh....I see now..
[22:23] <Jorma> Thanks
[22:24] <Jorma> 8 seconds it took...to get me
[22:24] <Jorma> Hour and a half to find the correct line...
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[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Good night !
[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Afk
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[22:38] <Jorma> I can see my payload at the testing list, but it doesn't select it
[22:38] <Jorma> Nor autoconfigure it
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[22:41] <Jorma> Alright, restarting the program helped this time
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[22:51] <Jorma> Now I have the dl-fldigi successfully uploading my telemetry data, is it now safe to send my flight document to being approved?
[22:53] <mfa298> Jorma: has your payload appeared on the map
[22:54] <Jorma> I can see an antenna sign, does it mean it is just seeing that my system is sending data?
[22:55] <Jorma> Ah, it probably haven't recieved GPS fix
[22:55] <mfa298> that comes from just running dl-fldigi
[22:55] <mfa298> when you're uploading good strings http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ should show you whats happening
[22:56] <Jorma> Yes it is showing
[22:57] <Jorma> My data
[22:57] <mfa298> logtail will show you what the servers are getting and what they're doing with it. This may also include problems with parsing the data
[23:02] <Jorma> Took my system outdoors for GPS to work properly
[23:03] <mfa298> whats the name of your payload
[23:08] <Jorma> Ilmapall
[23:08] <Jorma> It now should send the right format with actual GPS data
[23:09] <Jorma> Do i have to recieve the signal with my own computer?
[23:09] <mfa298> you may want to look at logtail (probably worth pausing it) as it looks like you have at least one issue with it.
[23:11] <Jorma> It can't find longitude
[23:11] <Jorma> Bah..it can
[23:12] <mfa298> for when you fly the payload its highly recommended that you receive the signal, you'll potentially be the only one that receives it once it's landed (you should be chasing during the flight so you're close to it as it comes down)
[23:12] <mfa298> and depending on where in the world you are it's possible you'll be the only person receiving
[23:13] <mfa298> this message looks like it might be one of your issues:
[23:13] <mfa298> [2015-04-23 23:12:43,246] WARNING habitat.parser_daemon MainThread: Could not save doc 8dc85175293ce709c2477c1d88542fefaa9c8f7c01d3be70d9554c8ccf3b018e, unauthorized: {"error":"forbidden","reason":"Validation errors: 231226.0 is not of type u'string'"}
[23:14] <Jorma> Hm, I should have everything in strings
[23:14] <Jorma> This is the time string right
[23:17] <DL7AD> got the new tracler to work :) https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwzVllHCGu5FWEI5X2ZHYkFoVXc&usp=sharing
[23:17] <DL7AD> works without any DC-DC-converter
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[23:29] <Jorma> If everything works correctly, then i should see my payload (this cylinder) at tracker ?
[23:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03IK2TGW_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK2TGW_chase
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[23:39] <DL7AD> Jorma: at the tracker webpage in the left navigation? yes
[23:40] <Jorma> Well, now everything should be working, but no sign of me at the tracker
[23:43] <Jorma> I have no idea what is there that the system doesn't like about it
[23:43] <mfa298> Jorma: that would suggest there's still something wrong with what you're sending and/or the payload doc
[23:44] <mfa298> that's where you use logtail as it will tell you exactly what's happening
[23:46] <Jorma> It says it's parsing my sentence and choosing (the latest) payload configuration
[23:47] <mfa298> there's usually several lines per uploaded string and I think the last message (at the topof the list) should say something about it being saved
[23:48] <Jorma> I see, still problem with time
[23:49] <mfa298> as a simple guess you might not need (or want) the .00
[23:50] <mfa298> this may be of some use http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#field-types
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