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[02:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-5
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[03:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[07:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ANU - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ANU
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[07:27] <fsphil> oh yes, that flight is up today
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[07:30] <fsphil> not on the map yet
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[07:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks like we will have a few flights over the next few days given the wind conditions!
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[07:58] <fsphil> winds are pretty good here too
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[08:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[08:10] <number10> opps I didnt mean to put ANU on the map with a flight on today - sorry guys
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[08:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MONDO-3 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-3
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[08:35] <amell> Has anyone successfully received Beidou satellites in Europe? I gather theres 4 sats 40% of the time.
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[09:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:17] <fsphil> morning LL
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[10:13] <WillDWork> ping Upu / UpuWork
[10:13] <UpuWork> hey WillDWork
[10:13] <WillDWork> Hey - have you got thos LoRa expansion boards available now?
[10:13] <UpuWork> yep
[10:13] <WillDWork> *those
[10:13] <WillDWork> cool - in the store I guess?
[10:14] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=121
[10:15] <WillDWork> groovy, cheers. Is stock ok? might order the whole new pi/lora combo after pay day ;-)
[10:15] <UpuWork> yup lots
[10:16] <WillDWork> thanks, I have a few projects nearly there, it would be nice to finish them off - this should do nicely!
[10:18] <WillDWork> quick one - do the expansion boards come with spacers & screws? if not, any recommendations?
[10:18] <UpuWork> yeah I supply with suitable spacers
[10:18] <UpuWork> "Supplied with suitable header and standoffs, SMA and 1 x RFM98W-433S2 module."
[10:19] <WillDWork> good stuff - I knew you'd have it all sorted.
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[10:33] <SQ5KVS> Hi Altitude!
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[10:34] <fsphil> low pressure
[10:35] <Herman_> ga all
[10:35] <fsphil> howdy
[10:36] <Herman_> !flights
[10:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Current flights: 03PrjHeT 10(f47e)
[10:36] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: I'm in my office, high pressure :)
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[10:40] <amell> FFS thats the third FTDI adaptor ive lost this year
[10:40] <mattbrejza> lol
[10:41] <Ian_> The FTDI fairies take and hide them in dark places.
[10:42] <amell> wish i knew where
[10:42] <Ian_> You will find out in about 18 months, when you have no use for them and are looking for something else, which you won't find :)
[10:43] <Ian_> Sod's law #1
[10:43] <amell> yep
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[10:45] <ChiHab> Hi there. We are looking to get approval for our flight plan from Chichester tomorrow morning. Many thanks.
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You will need to post the Flight Doc ID on #habhub after testing with the Payload doc.
[10:45] <Vaizki> upu, lora board store page says.. Brand: Radiometrix
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[10:47] <UpuWork> :)
[10:48] <mattbrejza> you managed to get a notam for chichester?
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[10:50] <LuckyLuke> hello all
[10:50] <LuckyLuke> can anyone recommend a tutorial on connecting ntx2b to rasberrypi ?
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nothing showning on NOTAMS around Chichester itself ?
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[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you checked out the PITS on Github ?
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[10:53] <LuckyLuke> no I have not. will do it now :)
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not a tutorial as such but most of the practical info.
[10:55] <mfa298> there's a couple of pages on the wiki about using Raspberry Pi's, also the old version of the ntx2 with arduino tutorial is useful
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[10:55] <LuckyLuke> yeah, most are for arduino
[10:56] <LuckyLuke> i'm more concerned with physical connection as I have no experience in electronics
[10:56] <LuckyLuke> so I need smth with explenations
[10:56] <mfa298> simple on the Pi, use the UART and a resistor network to control the shift. There are other ways of doing it but they're more complex
[10:57] <mfa298> this may help a bit https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?rev=1399496254
[10:57] <mfa298> the way of connecting it to the arduino with resistors works with the Pi UART as well
[10:58] <LuckyLuke> great, thanks !
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[10:58] <LuckyLuke> I also found this http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi_projects/blog/2014/02/18/raspberry-pi-java-ntx2-radio-transmitter
[10:58] <mfa298> there's also a wealth of information on https://ukhas.org.uk/guides:raspberrypi
[10:59] <LuckyLuke> but with no explanations on resistors
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[11:00] <LuckyLuke> I;ve been looking through ukhas.org but somehow missed that one with arduino. I think I can get started with this one :)
[11:01] <mfa298> that element14 page links to a newer version of the arduino page which does it differently.
[11:04] <ChiHab> notam is being processed. we have to launch before 8am due to Goodwood.
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03JACKAL2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=JACKAL2
[11:05] <mfa298> ChiHab: do you have any predictions for the flight ?
[11:08] <ChiHab> We have predictions. Looking to be landing in Dorset http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=5f5b1114802124cadb5d907151a01df549722891
[11:10] <mfa298> If I got into work early I should have a reasonable chance for some of that flight, but that it pretty early to get into work.
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[11:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Should be able to track all of the ChiHab flight ! make a nice change!!
[11:15] <garymortimer> when is that off? sorry joining in late
[11:16] <mfa298> ChiHab: if you havn't already it's probably worth chasing the CAA for the NOTAM. Also post the flight doc id into #habhub to get it approved.
[11:16] <mfa298> you may also want to send an email to the mailing list
[11:17] <ChiHab> Just literally had an email from David Miller at the CAA. Paperwork will be over this afternoon :)
[11:17] <ChiHab> Launching at 7:30am
[11:19] <garymortimer> Ok cool, tomorrow O clock
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[11:42] <UpuWork> is there a flight up today ?
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[11:44] <gonzo_> think they were planning today, but late notam
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[11:55] <SQ5KVS> Czesc Tomku
[11:56] <EI2KK> czesc
[11:58] <christopherlee> Afternoon, any news on PrjHeT
[11:59] <SQ5KVS> BTW You see my national characters like za|óB?
[12:00] <EI2KK> I have only one here - ó
[12:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N8VRN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N8VRN
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[12:19] <PrjHeT> Gents we'll be launching Project Helium Tears from Cambridge at approx 14:15 on 434.51MHz
[12:19] <edmoore> good luck
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[12:22] <christopherlee> Good Luck and will try and track from Peterborough
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[12:24] <Kryczek> Hi! Can someone please help me understand how one gets the fraction bits https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3825 ? E.g. in Example 1 I see how 38 translates to "000100110" as it is the same value just in binary, but I do understand how they go from 89868 to 1110011000001111111001000
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[12:25] <Kryczek> I do not* understand, sorry
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[12:26] <FuzzyLemon> *ladies and gents
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[12:27] <LuckyLuke> SQ5KVS: I can see za|óB OK
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[12:29] <SQ5KVS> LuckyLuke: cool :)
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[12:30] <amell> PrjHeT: is there a web page or something for your project?
[12:30] <Kryczek> ah silly me, I assumed that since they separated the integer part they would have the fraction encoded as an integer as well
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[12:33] <christopherlee> I found http://projecthet.tumblr.com has some details of the project
[12:34] <UpuWork> they may be a little busy atm
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[12:41] <christopherlee> i bet
[12:44] <SQ5KVS> who isn't
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[13:00] <lz1dev> Kryczek: iirc formula is: 0x04dcc1fc8 * (1.0/(2**25))
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[13:13] <Babs____> Afternoon afternoon
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> How's Babs ?
[13:14] <Babs____> Good thanks! I powered up LARDY-PICO for the first time last night after completing most of the soldering and it appears to have power
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Getting there then
[13:15] <Babs____> However, after forgetting to order 1206 22uf caps I am unsure whether it actually works
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> PrjHeT appears to be having regulator problems
[13:15] <UpuWork> can you hear it ?
[13:16] <Babs____> Is that for me UpuWork ?
[13:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not yet Tweets
[13:16] <UpuWork> ok
[13:16] <UpuWork> no Babs____
[13:16] <UpuWork> the flight
[13:17] <edmoore> no
[13:17] <edmoore> yes
[13:18] <Laurenceb__> edmoore has it all covered
[13:19] <Babs____> Unless he is talking about very very small things, in which case he is hopelessly mistaken
[13:19] <edmoore> possibly
[13:19] <Babs____> Clever. He hd in collapsed the wave function.
[13:19] <Babs____> *has
[13:19] <Babs____> *uncollapsed
[13:19] <edmoore> my colleague is a wave function collapser
[13:20] <edmoore> he will always pick the time when you have the most amount of state in your head about something very complicated, to ask you if it's tuesday or wednesday that they collect the work bins
[13:20] <Babs____> Is it a door ?
[13:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PrjHeT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PrjHeT
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[13:24] <edmoore> http://i.imgur.com/Ssz6pjF.png
[13:25] <edmoore> het appears
[13:26] <edmoore> heh my maddest customer has arrived unannounced (he doesn't do any other kind of arrival)
[13:26] <edmoore> bbl
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[13:29] <amell> well, i found an ftdi module, but it seems to be faulty& has a VID, but no PID&.
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[13:30] <craag> amell: That sounds a bit like a fake one that's been nerfed by the ftdi drivers?
[13:31] <amell> does the PID disappear when its nerfed?
[13:31] <craag> sets to zero which disallows windows to use it iirc
[13:31] <amell> i obviously have no idea if its fake or not. its a bloody stupid idea.
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[13:31] <amell> is there a way to put the PID back
[13:31] <craag> yes - google around for it
[13:31] <amell> ta
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PrjHeT_20150421/
[13:32] <craag> also update your ftdi drivers - the nerfing of fake ones was very unpopular and got removed I think.
[13:32] <amell> I bet it was unpopular!
[13:32] <Clive-G7SVI> Good Afternoon, are Prjhet guys actually using 510 now or are they back to 450 posts on the tracker?
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> 510 they say
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial PrjHeT
[13:33] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03PrjHeT 10(f47e): 034.664 MHz
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> which doesn't help
[13:33] <fsphil> hah
[13:34] <Clive-G7SVI> this will be fun then :-)
[13:35] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: my IT guy - he's a "state eraser". After his visit I never remember what I was doing and what I was thinking
[13:35] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Random question: What's the max ssb bandwidth you can get out of common sdr applications?
[13:36] <Clive-G7SVI> I normally get around 2MHz with the Funcube in SDR#
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR-Radio lets you go to 24KHz in the defaults
[13:37] <Clive-G7SVI> but I wind it down
[13:37] <craag> 24KHz is perfect :) thanks!
[13:38] <craag> Cheers Clive-G7SVI, I was meaning the demodulated SSB
[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its says that but just selected it not sure ....
[13:38] <craag> oh?
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Certainlky 10KHz is possible
[13:39] <Clive-G7SVI> I'm currently demodding 16KHz
[13:39] <edmoore> i'm doing 1MHz
[13:39] <edmoore> in my head
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> and I can drag it even wider
[13:39] <Clive-G7SVI> bandwidth set to 24
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes can drag it too 24KHz no problem
[13:40] <craag> lol ed, that new scope come with implants too?
[13:41] <craag> Thanks guys, very useful.
[13:41] <edmoore> i became one with my passive probes
[13:41] <edmoore> ... which have a bandwidth of 1GHz
[13:41] <edmoore> i find that amazing
[13:42] <edmoore> i'm not actually sure I believe it
[13:43] Action: craag has been looking at 30MHz clocks on a 20MHz scope this morning (just getting some rough integer dividers right)
[13:43] <craag> much lpf
[13:44] <edmoore> het up?
[13:44] <edmoore> craag, presumably you can still see something
[13:44] <edmoore> just about
[13:44] <SQ5KVS> hm
[13:44] <craag> oh yeah - good enough to know I've got /4 instead of /5.
[13:44] <edmoore> yeah
[13:45] <craag> just not exactly square wave on the crt :P
[13:45] <SQ5KVS> altitude 40m, max 140m
[13:45] <SQ5KVS> he?
[13:46] <edmoore> so 1GHz is in theory good for seeing about a 300ps rise time
[13:49] <Clive-G7SVI> looks like we have a launch
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[13:51] <UpuWork> !dial prjhet
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Latest dials for 03PrjHeT 10(f47e): 03434.45352 MHz, 434.453152 MHz, 4.664 MHz, 434.4535 MHz
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[13:51] <G0WXI> !dial PrjHet
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03PrjHeT 10(f47e): 03434.4535 MHz, 434.45352 MHz, 434.453152 MHz, 4.664 MHz
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[13:53] <gonzo_> I thought they were hodling off for tomorrow
[13:54] <edmoore> well we've all been there
[13:54] <edmoore> you're holding a payload under an inflated balloon
[13:54] <edmoore> suddenly you really need to sneeze
[13:54] <edmoore> before you know it
[13:55] <WillDWork> ...and James May is still waffling away....
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[13:57] <edmoore> greetings Matt_PrjHet
[13:57] <edmoore> happy with the launch?
[13:57] <Matt_PrjHet> We're up, PrJHET on 434.51MHz Any help downlinking the SSDV would be most appreciated!
[13:57] <Matt_PrjHet> See Facebook.com/ProjectHeT
[13:57] <Matt_PrjHet> What a rush!
[13:58] <G8FJG_Ron> 434.453.500
[13:59] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[14:01] <garymortimer> Looking at the track I used to live out that way, my pub of choice would eb https://plus.google.com/101076391646275560253/about?gl=za&hl=en
[14:03] <garymortimer> Or here http://yethreefyshes.co.uk/ both great places for post flight debrief
[14:03] <edmoore> Matt_PrjHet, note G8FJG_Ron - your payload seems to be on a different freq to the one you think
[14:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BERKOHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BERKOHAB
[14:10] <FuzzyLemon> what frequency is PrJHET on?
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial PrjHeT
[14:10] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03PrjHeT 10(f47e): 03434.45352 MHz, 434.453152 MHz, 434.4535 MHz, 434.45582 MHz, 434.453743 MHz
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[14:24] <Laurenceb__> this is hardcore http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00175640.pdf
[14:25] <fsphil> hehe, ssdv images are .. different
[14:26] <Laurenceb__> lol "space"
[14:27] <Babs____> Linky?
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[14:30] <FuzzyLemon> i'm not receiving anything on 434.45 and have no idea why :/
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[14:31] <christopherlee> I'm struggling, can see signal but can't decode properly
[14:31] <fsphil> Babs____: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[14:31] <fsphil> the names are going to take a while to transmit at 300 baud
[14:31] <KF5WYX> Morning / Afternoon all
[14:32] <Babs____> That constellation in image 7 looks like my kitchen ceiling
[14:32] <Babs____> Oh
[14:32] <fsphil> SA6BSS-Mike: websdr?
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> christopherlee, Make sure you have the bandwidth set very wide
[14:33] <KF5WYX> fsphil - FYI, flight computer is all working. Only digi-path and settings for my rig to get in order.
[14:33] <fsphil> nice
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wow sudden decrease in RSSI ?
[14:34] <KF5WYX> *nods - many thanks for your assist. It was the on-air distinction and there was an issue in the CRC check.
[14:34] <fsphil> heh, my igate last heard a packet 6 days 4 hours ago, according to aprs.fi
[14:35] <fsphil> not sure there's any point running it
[14:35] <SQ5KVS> most interesting are sstv images from desktop :D
[14:36] <Clive-G7SVI> I need it to get another 300m higher or a B52 to remove the hill blocking the signal
[14:36] <KF5WYX> fsphil: Well, I'll be launching from an unpopulated area, I can tell you that the few aprs stations that exist there I consider something of a blessing. When traffic is low, it's probably the most critical time to keep your igate running :)
[14:37] <FuzzyLemon> maybe my antenna is blocked. are you supposed to have the antenna on the roof?
[14:37] <fsphil> KF5WYX: fair point :)
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> FuzzyLemon, It helps to have it out in the clear ...
[14:38] <fsphil> !dial
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[14:38] <fsphil> !dial PrjHet
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Latest dials for 03PrjHeT 10(f47e): 03434.453779 MHz, 434.453152 MHz, 434.45593 MHz, 434.4535 MHz, 434.453761 MHz
[14:38] <KF5WYX> All the recommendations I see online suggest using no digi-path for the balloon, but they all seem to be targeted at people using internet for tracking. My plan is to track based on packets received directly (GeoSat6), so I'll probably rely on stations repeating to me.
[14:38] <FuzzyLemon> It's out of the window but i also tested it outside in the open
[14:40] <fsphil> worth having a path then
[14:40] <fsphil> but nothing to extreme
[14:40] <fsphil> too*
[14:40] <KF5WYX> wide1-1 ?
[14:41] <KF5WYX> I also figure, if I set my mobile station as a digipeat, I can bounce packets I receive up to an igate so that my android can function as a backup option to the navigator.
[14:42] <fsphil> signal coming through here now
[14:43] <fsphil> "Disciples of the dark arts" ... oook
[14:43] <Laurenceb__> helium tears
[14:43] <Laurenceb__> WTF
[14:43] <garymortimer> Come on The Fox at Carlton, they have just done up the dining room as well, in my previous life as a hot air balloon pilot all flights were planned around pubs to land at. Old habits die hard.
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[14:48] <fsphil> garymortimer: I suspect it may be the same for some HAB launches
[14:50] <fsphil> still quite weak
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PrjHeT_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PrjHeT_chase
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[14:53] <SQ5KVS> nice photo: https://www.facebook.com/SekcjaBalonowa/photos/a.143810542489106.1073741829.142708512599309/358211897715635/?type=3&theater
[14:55] <Babs____> How was that taken? Looks like a photo of the payload?
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[14:59] <Clive-G7SVI> ?quit US West Coast is awake. Time for work
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[15:00] <tweetBot> @DutchMillbt: Live SSDV images high altitude balloon PRJHET #ukhas #TakeMeToSpace see: http://t.co/qvqXFxUh6R
[15:00] <fsphil> wobbly signal
[15:00] <SQ5KVS> It was very hm "complicated" payload, in fact there is two (maybe three) separated experiments. When the balloon burst, the tape (strip red - white tape) was tangled, and (as I think) because of that, everything was falling in strange configuration
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[15:01] <edmoore> so one payload taking a picture of the other?
[15:01] <SQ5KVS> right
[15:02] <SQ5KVS> they used 8m3 of helium!
[15:03] <Chetic> this is strange. I usually get a hell of a lot of oscillator drift from my rtl sdr the first 5 minutes or so, but this time it was on point from the start
[15:03] <Chetic> what gives_
[15:03] <Chetic> ?*
[15:03] <edmoore> that's not an unheard-of amount of helium
[15:03] <fsphil> interesting how there is more energy between the two frequency tones than outside
[15:03] <edmoore> Chetic, it was out in direct sunlight so already hot?
[15:03] <fsphil> I'd have thought it would be equal
[15:04] <Chetic> edmoore: good guess but no, in-doors with the typical temperature
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> transition speed between freq's ?
[15:04] <fsphil> mm possibly. the ntx2 does have a lpf
[15:04] <fsphil> though it's quite sharp
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[15:05] <amell> man, this ftdi keeps forgetting its PID even after i updated the drivers.
[15:05] <Babs____> I did 10m3 for BABSHAB and it barely made it off the pad
[15:05] <Babs____> I mean village green
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[15:05] Action: amell curses FTDI
[15:07] <amell> sod this for game of soldiers, ive flashed the PID twice now and it keeps going back to zero
[15:07] <garymortimer> That landing site for Project Tears is http://www.bbsr.co.uk/ headquarters and very close to the detention centre at Yarls Wood
[15:10] <edmoore> i've dumped about 27m^3 into a hab before
[15:10] <SQ5KVS> Celtic: frequency is temperature dependent. The crystal in Your sdr need a few minutes to achieve a stable temperature
[15:10] <edmoore> it really wanted to take off by the end of that
[15:10] <SQ5KVS> usually
[15:10] <SQ5KVS> especially when Your receiver is cold
[15:12] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: 27m3? what was in the payload?
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> amell you have updated the drivers ?
[15:12] <edmoore> SQ5KVS, lots
[15:13] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE: yes, seems there is a driver hanging about somewhere which gets in first....
[15:13] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: what weight?
[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Uninstall then install new perhaps ?
[15:14] <edmoore> about 12kg iirc
[15:14] Nick change: Stry -> Strykar
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[15:16] <Laurenceb__> and i was worried about CO2 canisters
[15:16] <edmoore> more with rigging and pre-deployed parachute
[15:16] <amell> how do you delete files that require SYSTEM priv? my windows skills are not too good
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[15:17] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: anyway, heavy
[15:17] <edmoore> yes
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[15:18] <SQ5KVS> definitelly, I will start with something.. small.. :)
[15:18] <edmoore> yes, needless to say that was not my first hab
[15:19] <edmoore> it was coincidently my last, though
[15:19] <SQ5KVS> edmoore: who knows :DD
[15:19] <Babs____> Arkos first HAB was mega
[15:19] <SQ5KVS> as I check the weight of aaa battery is about 12g, plus about 5g of TX , so totally (without balloon) I need helium for ~ 20 -30g
[15:20] <SQ5KVS> no gps in this, of course
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst ?
[15:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUNCH1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUNCH1
[15:27] <SQ5KVS> definitely
[15:28] <garymortimer> those are big lakes at Harold
[15:28] <SQ5KVS> nice speed :)
[15:29] <garymortimer> Breezing past the Fox I suspect, long way to there from Bedford if there is any traffic
[15:30] <amell> garymortimer: bbsr have moved recently
[15:30] <garymortimer> Oh have they!
[15:30] <garymortimer> They still on the aerodrome?
[15:30] <amell> went for an interview there, they declined me.
[15:30] <amell> they told me they were moving in april
[15:30] <garymortimer> I'm in South Africa so a little out of touch, saw them at Farnborough last year
[15:31] <amell> their old office is like far out& hardly a business premises.
[15:32] <garymortimer> But good for test flying, I knew a couple of the folks there quite well and used to drink at yes.... The Fox with them
[15:33] <amell> they moved to some industrial estate about 5 miles down the road
[15:33] <amell> unbelievable, a HAB floated right over me, and i was busy with FTDI breakage. Didnt realise :(
[15:33] <amell> next time something flies over, please hit me. thanks./
[15:34] <edmoore> could just drop onto you
[15:35] <garymortimer> ah the chase went through bedford that was a mistake!
[15:37] <garymortimer> Ye Olde Three Fyshes at Turvey perhaps
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[15:38] <Laurenceb__> hi RocketBoy
[15:38] <amell> ouch, should have gone round the A428
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[15:41] <garymortimer> yep
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[15:43] <garymortimer> I used to live at Cold Brayfield and work was based south west of Bedford that link was very handy when it was built
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[15:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MONDO-3 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-3
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[15:58] <fsphil> wondier if this image will finish before it lands
[15:59] <fsphil> -i
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[16:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03drtwig_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=drtwig_chase
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[16:06] <Ian_> The chase car tracker seems a bit wild at times. How close will they be in the final minutes?
[16:06] <Kryczek> lz1dev: sorry just saw your reply; I'll try that, thanks! :)
[16:06] <fsphil> "Cold Oak Copse" brrr
[16:07] <fsphil> hope it avoids that
[16:07] <fsphil> other fields look alright
[16:07] <fsphil> don't see any power lines
[16:08] <fsphil> oh there's the power lines
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[16:10] <gonzo_> quite some power lines!
[16:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes not good!
[16:12] <Ian_> I guess that the chase car location is by cell triangulation . . . that makes assistance in the final miles a little more interesting?
[16:14] <adamgreig> it is often by gps
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[16:15] <gonzo_> the ground at that last point is 70mtrs asl
[16:15] <gonzo_> so they are going to be pushing it wrt the power lines
[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Umm last image is the only one with a Dark sky as well!
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[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who's navigating in the chase car ?
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah he's turned at last!
[16:19] <Ian_> Easton Lane for Easton Maudit
[16:21] <Ian_> I guess the chase car has limited connectivity from their position reports?
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its a bit flat round there so not a lot of coverage ....
[16:23] <Ian_> Looks for a moment like they were headed for the Red Lion instead of the package.
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[16:25] <Ian_> We need a live KH-11 feed for these recoveries . . .
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[16:26] <KF5WYX> Hi all - FYI: http://etakuramnasmekh.com/mission-volatus-flight-1/
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[16:28] <gonzo_> shame they are not updating
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[16:29] <garymortimer> They drove past the Three Fyshes so know where it is on the way back, and my old house come to that
[16:29] <garymortimer> There will be marks deducted if they goto the green man
[16:29] <Ian_> With good chase car granularity it would be a lot easier to assist. Had to look hard for the pylons . . .
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[16:29] <garymortimer> That village East of them is where Doc Martens came from
[16:30] <gonzo_> have they updated it?
[16:31] <gonzo_> retrieve I meant
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/PrjHeT_20150421/PrjHeT_Landing_or_caught.jpg
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[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> They found it https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDIQe3eWAAEhREc.jpg
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[16:34] <Guest56390> Good work Gents! from all in the ECA.
[16:35] <Ian_> So, was that it on the ground to the left of the pylon?
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[18:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9IAC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9IAC-11
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[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:46] <tweetBot> @smacdonaldSM: New @CIHhousing CEO Terrie Alafat makes first speech at #ukhas - reveals choc cake 'bribery' for judges! #ukhousing http://t.co/9jOqTQUIIm
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[18:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Glad to see we are getting into housing then! Tall wide ones with BIG doors are best ;-)
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[19:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> !flights
[19:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Tab: Current flights: 03PrjHeT 10(f47e)
[19:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> I see ChiHAB have there Not an but the flight doc hasn't been submitted ? Odd
[19:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> NOTAM even
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[19:37] <ChiHab> Hi all. How do we get our launch on the tracker calendar? Many thanks
[19:37] <craag> Hi ChiHab
[19:37] <craag> Do you have a flight doc?
[19:38] <ChiHab> we do
[19:38] <craag> Has it been approved?
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[19:39] <ChiHab> One sec...
[19:39] <craag> Post the doc id in #habhub
[19:39] <craag> The bot there will check things for you
[19:40] <craag> /join #habhub
[19:40] <craag> ^^ to open the channel in another tab
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[20:00] <Mark_B> Good evening
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[20:01] <Mark_B> Hi, any chance of getting a flight doc approved for Saturday?
[20:01] <craag> Mark_B: Jump over to #habhub and post the id
[20:01] <craag> /join #habhub
[20:01] <craag> ^^ to open in new tab
[20:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM4
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[20:21] <KF5WYX> FAA confirmed I don't need a waiver from the regs :-)
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[20:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KK6PUZ-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PUZ-11
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[21:12] <amell> anyone know anything about patch antennas and ground planes?
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[21:16] <Ian_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_antenna is the basic but Googling "patch antenna ground plane" will give you lots of options, some more digestible than others. It depends what level of information you required.
[21:17] <Ian_> The typical pie dish and a number of dipoles set in it for high gain at very short wavelengths
[21:17] <Ian_> I know nothing !
[21:18] <amell> the issue, how important is the size of the ground plane to performance? The datasheet says a 25x25mm on a 70x70mm ground plane has performance of 5dBi. What is the performance likely to be for a 30x30mm ground plane. a little less or a lot less?
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[21:20] <adamgreig> depends on the dielectric
[21:20] <amell> copper pcb ground plane
[21:20] <adamgreig> if it's a commercial ground plane on a nice thick bit of dielectric it's probably ok
[21:20] <adamgreig> no i mean the antenna itself
[21:20] <amell> ceramic?
[21:20] <adamgreig> if you make your own patch out of copper on the pcb you'll need a big ground plane
[21:20] <adamgreig> if you have a commercial thing on a ceramic substrate you'll do better
[21:21] <amell> oh its a commercial patch antenna just from what the datasheet says
[21:22] <Ian_> I guess that the ceramic substrate determines velocity factors and so permits reduction in the actual size of the conductor?
[21:23] <adamgreig> yeh
[21:23] <adamgreig> you'll probably be ok with not much more ground plan ethan the size of the antenna module amell
[21:23] <amell> http://www.taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/CGGP.1600.25.4.A.02%20GPS%20GLONASS%20Patch.pdf -
[21:23] <amell> says 5dBi peak
[21:24] <amell> im worried that the ground plane on the pcb isnt big enough
[21:25] <bradfirj> Is it improper for me to drool over what the guys at CERN can produce using nothing more than KiCAD and their brains?
[21:25] <bradfirj> http://i.imgur.com/94RHcUr.jpg
[21:26] <fsphil> lotta good stuff coming out of cern
[21:27] <bradfirj> their work on KiCAD has brought it up to feature parity with Eagle, bar the autorouter
[21:27] <bradfirj> Primarily because at that level those guys don't use autorouters
[21:27] <fsphil> I wouldn't recommend it even for beginners
[21:27] <craag> s/that/any/
[21:27] <amell> ask them to do a tracker pcb&
[21:27] <Upu> wut ?
[21:28] <amell> see how tiny they can get it.
[21:28] <Upu> I use Eagle and I'd kill for some of the features in KiCAD
[21:28] <bradfirj> the push and shove router is fantastic
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[21:28] <bradfirj> I just used it now on a sample pci express board
[21:28] <bradfirj> look at me I'm routing BGAs like a pro!
[21:28] <bradfirj> (lies, all lies, the tool is doing it for me)
[21:29] <Upu> Cadsoft don't do new features
[21:30] <bradfirj> kicad, schematic editor is janky though
[21:30] <bradfirj> but makes up for it by allowing multi-page
[21:30] <bradfirj> unlike eagle free
[21:31] <mikestir> it needs a decent library manager as well
[21:32] <amell> hmm. apparently galileo just got turned on. See if i can hear any sats
[21:32] <mikestir> they'd do better getting the schematic capture and library stuff up to scratch before worrying about pro features like push and shove and automatic tuning
[21:32] <bradfirj> Eagle's library is pretty arse too
[21:33] <mikestir> it does at least support managing footprints, symbols and parts as separate entities though
[21:33] <mikestir> last time I looked at kicad you had to import the footprint and symbol for every single part
[21:34] <bradfirj> No they're separate entities, as far as I'm aware
[21:34] <bradfirj> When creating new ones anyway :/
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[21:35] <mikestir> well it's possible they've fixed that now - I seem to recall that being one of the bits that seemed to be in flux last time I looked
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[21:36] <bradfirj> Yeah I have the nightly repo loaded in fedora and for about a month there UI elements were moving around what felt like weekly
[21:36] <bradfirj> the CERN team are releasing a stable build in july (fingers crossed) so I'm hopeful it'll settle down by then
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> sounds cool
[21:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
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[21:49] <fsphil> \
[21:51] <daveake> $27
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[21:58] <fsphil> night LL
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[22:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W1DOW-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W1DOW-1
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[23:54] <ejcweb_> Hi guys. If anyone is online right now and ready to help, we have a balloon that i could do with a predicted landing spot for (very poor data connection).
[23:54] <ejcweb_> Our callsign is W1DOW-1 (note not -11).
[23:55] <ejcweb_> It is currently at 26km, and we're chasing it into Mojave National Preserve.
[23:55] <ejcweb_> Think it just burst. Descent rate should be around 7m/s.
[23:56] <ejcweb_> Oh, and it is on APRS.
[23:56] <lz1dev> yes
[23:57] <ejcweb_> If anyone has any useful info to share, send me an SMS at +16506669998 if I'm disconnected here (will reimburse any costs!).
[23:59] <russss> ejcweb_: I'm not 100% confident using the predictor in this way, but 35.1459, -115.927 seems plausible
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