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[00:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kg7qdj_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kg7qdj_chase
[00:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Kg7qdj_AlphaTeam_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Kg7qdj_AlphaTeam_chase
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[01:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4EFW-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KM4EFW-11
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[05:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[05:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6PUZ-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KK6PUZ-11
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[06:05] <garymortimer> morning
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[08:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning all
[08:28] <fsphil> g'morn
[08:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Liked your long /multi exposure the other day
[08:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is there a site with all the photo's from PiView showing ?
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[08:40] <LunarWork> hello
[08:41] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: not yet, waiting to get a permenant link to the site
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[08:41] <fsphil> it's still going via satellite internet atm
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right, its WiFi at the moment isn't it ?
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh OK
[08:42] <fsphil> wifi to a house 2km away, who have slow satellite internet
[08:42] <fsphil> I'll be able to setup a wifi link to my own place
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right thought WiFi was invloved!
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[09:24] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03ChiHABTest after 0320 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ChiHABTest
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[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F4HHV - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=F4HHV
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[10:12] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MONDO-3 after 0319 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MONDO-3
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[10:46] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qQrVQ-wpUfM
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[11:34] <infaddict> woop! PCB's arrived ;-)
[11:35] <SpeedEvil> For a tracker?
[11:36] <infaddict> yep!
[11:36] <infaddict> my first one
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:39] <infaddict> http://imgur.com/OMIyqYv
[11:40] <infaddict> why does new parts always arrive just before i go away ;-(
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> What PVB vendor?
[11:40] <infaddict> Hackvana
[11:40] <craag> Congrats infaddict, they look good!
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[13:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0320 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
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[15:09] <kemfic> is the Wireless RF XBee S1 Pro good for tracking?
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[15:10] <kemfic> I heard that it had a range of only a few hundred feet, yet its in the ardusat kit on http://store.ardusat.com/collections/frontpage/products/space-kit-expansion-collection
[15:13] <eroomde> kemfic, i wouldn't trust anything with 'ardu' in it
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[15:14] <eroomde> and i wouldn't fly an xbee either for the reasons you stated
[15:15] <kemfic> ok thanks
[15:16] <arko> what on earth
[15:16] <arko> kinda of scam is this
[15:17] <arko> its like anyone with some css and html5 skills and a bootstrap plugin can sell anything
[15:17] Action: fsphil takes notes
[15:18] <arko> this cubesat had a protoboard...
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[15:19] <arko> im going to have my coffee now, and sip very angerly
[15:20] <fsphil> I'm not sure what they're selling
[15:20] <fsphil> seems to be a fairly random bunch of electronics with the word Space in the title
[15:21] <fsphil> and a mock cubesat
[15:21] <fsphil> overpriced mock cubesat
[15:23] <kemfic> yeah
[15:32] <staylo> My arduino-powered solderless breadboard cubesat will deliver entertaining cardboard discs to anywhere on earth. A donation of 50GBP gets you an exclusive set of Space Jumper Wires. 200GBP gets YOUR name on a disc! Hurry, donate now! www.kickstarter.com/pogsfromgod
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzrIKeUR-w
[15:36] <arko> lol
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Toshikazu_Ebisuzaki/publication/273912262_Demonstration_designs_for_the_remediation_of_space_debris_from_the_International_Space_Station/links/552ce16f0cf2e089a3acfe70.pdf?origin=publication_detail
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> neat
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> Wacky laser steering system, using phase aligned copies of a reference beam fed through a fibre amplifier.
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> Hooked to the ISS able to do _massive_ pulse energies.
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> They don't explicitly say so, but I think they can actually set stuff on fire as it passes overhead on earth using the adaptive optics to kill atmospheric effects
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[16:13] <bradfirj> Hey infaddict, what was your turnaround from Hackvana?
[16:14] <infaddict> hey bradfirj... in total it was around 23 days. Shipping was around 10 days of that. The other time was getting the boards checked and a few minor changes etc.
[16:14] <infaddict> that was to UK of course
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[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:14] <infaddict> hello Lunar_Lander
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[16:16] <bradfirj> Thanks :)
[16:17] <bradfirj> TRying to work out if it's going to be much quicker than OSH, prices are similar
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[16:20] <infaddict> bradfirj: i think normal end to end for Hackvana is around 15 days depending on backlog
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[16:25] <Kryczek> hi
[16:25] <Kryczek> does anybody know if there is by any chance a multilateration library?
[16:25] <bradfirj> Cool, thanks inf :)
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[17:06] <arjunnaha> Hi
[17:06] <arjunnaha> What would be the best antenna for a first time user with a usb tv stick
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[20:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ChiHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ChiHAB
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[21:17] <Laurenceb_> hi edmoore
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> IIRC you said you found that Cesaroni reloads were off circular?
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> any idea how far off?
[21:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ChiHAB-Minibus_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ChiHAB-Minibus_chase
[21:19] <edmoore> Laurenceb_ the casing was
[21:19] <edmoore> on the pro 150
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:19] <edmoore> so don't make the thing it goes into 150.2
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> i get the idea
[21:20] <edmoore> or you'll have abad time
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> heh
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> I'm already having a bad time :P
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> PTFE + grease == really bad idea
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> to be fair it almost worked ... once
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> got up to 9k rpm
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> I'm considering going back to the simple spun tube idea.. or air bearings.. or something
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> actually im out of ideas lol
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[21:22] <edmoore> turn it down?
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> yeah, but the reloads are still piss poor precision
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[21:22] <Laurenceb_> so the tube launch is probably not feasible
[21:23] <Laurenceb_> even if its balanced with an accelerometer, the balance will still go off as the thing exits the tube
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[21:27] <Laurenceb_> i still dont understand how jet engines are feasible :-S
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> In principle if you add balancing weights or cutouts, you could make it nice and smooth
[21:27] <edmoore> ?
[21:27] <Laurenceb_> jet on a pylon is very similar to this system
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> i guess the coefficient of friction from the bearing is very low
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> hydrodynamic or foil bearings help massively
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[21:29] <Laurenceb_> I still think self centering bearings are the way to do this.. but i dont know how to do self centering bearings :S
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> Is this you getting oscillations with the real reload?
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> no
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> thats a fair point
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> i guess i should stick some dummy mass inside
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> but it looks like its a simple case of oscillation when the chassis mass approaches the rotor mass
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> ive got a simulation written now, the sim results tend to agree
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> I still thing spring + mass + damper tuned
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> the oscillation is driven by bearing briction
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> yes, tho a lot more complex than that
[21:33] <SpeedEvil> but I am basically making this up
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> *friction
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> x,y,z + quaternion + three rates for rotor and chassis
[21:33] <Laurenceb_> then the bearings modelled as well
[21:34] <SpeedEvil> Maybe it would be easier to hold the rocket stationary and rotate the launcher? :)
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> or spin the launcher at 20krpm and have a couple of servos to align the rocket
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> :P
[21:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TEST after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=TEST
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> CO2 bearings may well be a way to solve this problem, but i dont fancy trying to simulate them
[21:36] <Laurenceb_> I'm in not building them blind :-/
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> my biggest error was thinking that PTFE friction is 0.04
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> thats a load of nonsense
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> if it was its work fine
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> True at low speed ?
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> *itd
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> no, really high load
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> I'm getting 0.3
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> Ow
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it's like kiln stuff.
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> friction is too high for pad bearings to be stable once the chassis mass decreases
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> (trying to design a little glass kiln)
[21:38] <SpeedEvil> '0.08W/m/K' - yay!
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> (0.5@1100C)
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[21:44] <Laurenceb_> i guess there is always active maglev....
[21:44] <edmoore> hard
[21:46] Action: SpeedEvil imagines a cloud service to manage your active maglev.
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> i wasnt being serious :P
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> Active maglev seems an awesome thing to learn.
[21:47] <SpeedEvil> I wish superconductors were cheaper
[21:48] <edmoore> probs can be done fine with electromagnets
[21:48] <edmoore> normal ones
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> yeah, it only has to work for ~400ms
[21:50] <Laurenceb_> there is that levitron thing..
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> oh dear now im taking this idea seriously :S
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> Levitron is funky
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> but it only works over a very small range of angular momentum to magnetic field or something wierd
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> the critical rev range and suspension power are terrible
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> also needs a magnetic rotor
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> i suspect this problem can be solved with a simple stainless steel clip
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> but the reload needs to be perfectly circular
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> Or balanced?
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> Alu reload -> light oil -> thin steel "ring" -> glued to silicone rubber
[21:59] <Laurenceb_> use that as the bearing
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[21:59] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> due to the high modulus of the steel, the bearing friction doesnt influence the stability
[22:00] <Laurenceb_> if ive worked this out correctly
[22:01] <Laurenceb_> if the bearing can be made so it doesnt couple frictional torque to sideways force then the friction doesnt matter
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> thats whats making everything unstable according to the sim code im running...
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> Or something like leaf bearings, rather than what you have?
[22:02] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> I think I need to find a bearing expect, this is a bit beyond my skills
[22:04] <Laurenceb_> *expert
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[22:27] <VK3YSP> Hi. Would you please approve flight document: MTG004 (10eea6ab1e7564b0b0853e243434f3a3 created 2015-04-10T09:57:02+10:00). Thanks, Joe VK3YSP.
[22:27] <craag> Hi VK3YSP, post the doc id in #habhub.
[22:28] <VK3YSP> OK sorry!
[22:28] <craag> No problem - there's a bot over there that helps out ;)
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