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[04:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kd0gye_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=kd0gye_chase
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[08:34] <SQ5KVS> Hi Al
[08:36] <infaddict> hey SQ5KVS
[08:37] <SQ5KVS> very random hysplit for K6RPT :)
[08:52] <SQ5KVS> I'm thinking about method to obtain approximate position without GPS, for example with ~50 km resolution. Any idea how to do that? LORAN is turned off , right? :)
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[08:59] <gonzo_> google for eLORAN. The newer system. Whioch I think has been given an extended life??
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[09:06] <SQ5KVS> gonzo_: hmm. Need time synchronisation as I quickly read, and .. it'scommercial ?
[09:09] <SQ5KVS> hm maybe not
[09:09] <SQ5KVS> how to do this with " arduino" system
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[09:11] <gonzo_> I've not looked closely at eLORAN. Just remembered seeing something about it being given new funding, as GPS vunerabilities were getting more press
[09:13] <SQ5KVS> in fact, looks interesting. as I read here http://www.ursanav.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/news/UrsaNav%20ILA-40%20eLoran%20System%20Definition%20%26%20Signal%20Specification%20Tutorial.pdf the precision is quite good, especially if I need a ~1km precision (even is enought for balloon)
[09:15] <gonzo_> wonder how the processing power (DC) requirements compares to a gps.
[09:15] <SQ5KVS> yes .
[09:27] <SQ5KVS> buy, gps also consuming some power, weight and money :)
[09:28] <diegoesep> do you think this can be used for a pico tracker?
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[09:28] <fsphil> is eloran still on the LW frequences?
[09:29] <fsphil> you could potentially receive it with a mcu's adc
[09:30] <SQ5KVS> ~100kHz it's a little too much for standard AVR adc I think
[09:31] <fsphil> yea that'd be pushing it
[09:31] <fsphil> stm32 could apparently manage that though
[09:31] <Babs____> Morning everyone - does anyone use a hot air gun to SMD solder and if so, do you tape down the smaller caps and resistors with kapton tape first ?
[09:34] <fsphil> I've just used an oven
[09:35] <fsphil> would the solder not be sticky enough?
[09:35] <SQ5KVS> for small smd elements I'm using tweezers :D
[09:36] <SQ5KVS> I
[09:38] <Babs____> I think the solder should be sticky enough fsphil, I've done a few tests but thought would ask the group in case anyone had ever ended up turning on the below and finding the components off the board and onto the wall as a result
[09:38] <fsphil> mmm
[09:39] <darkstar-20011> The STM32F334 has a 5Ms/s 12bit ADC on it - available on a £8 nucleo dev board - should be enough? (And I've only used an oven for SMD)
[09:39] <fsphil> nice
[09:40] <SQ5KVS> Babs____: how many elements you want to solder
[09:40] <fsphil> was playing around with the adc on the f4 discovery board last night
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[09:40] <fsphil> it should be possible to setup the timer to run in continous mode, and have it fire an interrupt after each sample is ready?
[09:40] <fsphil> s/timer/adc/
[09:40] <darkstar-20011> (actually the f334 has a pair of ADC's...)
[09:41] <fsphil> the libopencm3 docs are pretty basic
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[09:42] <Babs____> Like about 10 elements, but they are all quite close together
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[09:43] <SQ5KVS> gonzo: I found Your conversation about eLoran on habhub from 2012y :)
[09:44] <darkstar-2001> Dunno, was actually just about to start to play now with mine.
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[09:45] <SQ5KVS> So, I don't have oven, I have not enough space in my flat to all clever things which I would like to have
[09:46] <SQ5KVS> good thin soldering iron and steady hand
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[10:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034X6UB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=4X6UB-11
[10:01] <Laurenceb__> http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/1024px-NGA-Atlantic_Loran.png
[10:01] <Laurenceb__> doesnt look too shabby
[10:02] <SpeedEvil> yeah - LORAN is interesting
[10:02] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't look that hard to do in SW
[10:02] <diegoesep> we may use LoRa and LORAN in the same picotracker :ppp
[10:07] <SQ5KVS> so, coverage is not very impressive
[10:10] <Laurenceb__> yeah, id go for sirf gps
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> SiRF GPSs are pretty good.
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[10:12] <SpeedEvil> LORAN could have a place for a primary battery payload only thing.
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> When you're over the atlantic, 2nm position is just fine.
[10:13] <SQ5KVS> nm ? :)
[10:13] <SQ5KVS> aa
[10:13] <fsphil> can altitude be calculated from loran?
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> Nautical mile.
[10:14] <SpeedEvil> 'no'
[10:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[10:14] <SQ5KVS> I'm physicist, so for me the nm is about 1e-9 m :D
[10:14] <fsphil> the difference in signals between a receiver on the ground and in the air isn't going to be that much
[10:14] <fsphil> unless there's a station underneath it
[10:14] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Even if you have four stations or more in view, I suspect the answer is always going to be no - both for GDOP and for dispersion reasons
[10:15] <SpeedEvil> While in principle syccessive averaging can get you _really_ accurate timing on the transmissions, there is significant phase variance in the air
[10:17] <fsphil> I suppose altitude from air pressure is fine
[10:19] <SQ5KVS> hm
[10:19] <SQ5KVS> does the sirf module is much better than ublox?
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[10:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03IK8SUT-11 after 0316 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=IK8SUT-11
[10:22] <SQ5KVS> neo6 with antenna in poland about 19Euro
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[10:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MTG004 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG004
[10:41] <Vaizki> I have a LORAN receiver somewhere
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> Also - for very, very rough positions, sunset and sunrise can help.
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> Though balloons really go too fast
[10:43] <SQ5KVS> :)
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[10:45] <SQ5KVS> but,
[10:48] <SQ5KVS> there are a strong HF signals with the time informations, which I can use to obtain a rough position (I ting 10km is enought it's 30uS) - time signals . Unfortunately, there is only a few stations like RWM in moskow, almost always heard, but next stations are too far (USA, ect)
[10:50] <fsphil> I doubt you'll beat just powering up a gps receiver once an hour
[10:50] <Vaizki> I think he doesn't want to include a gps?
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[10:51] <Vaizki> maybe I didn't read backscroll far enough
[10:51] <SQ5KVS> when we take it seriously, right fsphil , it make no sense :)
[10:52] <SQ5KVS> but.. let's imagine, we need only a very very strong geomagnetic storm and half or more of our GPS sats will be broken
[10:52] <fsphil> what effect would that have on LF signals
[10:53] <fsphil> it might hit them even harder than gps
[10:53] <fsphil> use a star tracker camera. it's the only way to be sure :)
[10:54] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: right, but ony for a moment. Gps sats will be broken definitely
[10:54] <mikestir> if we're thinking out of the box, what about listening on gsm bcch for country code (which admitedly won't be any good over ocean)
[10:54] <SQ5KVS> fsphil: phileae has a problem with star tracker.
[10:55] <mikestir> or doing something similar with the inmarsat downlink control channels
[10:55] <SQ5KVS> btw of course :)
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[10:56] <fsphil> or if we're being very crazy, someone that watches the ground for landmarks and coastlines
[10:56] <mattbrejza> dont masks identify themselves? so if you knew where each mask was...
[10:56] <mikestir> s/mask/mast/?
[10:56] <mattbrejza> lol
[10:56] <mattbrejza> yea
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MTG003 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MTG003
[10:57] <mikestir> you get location area code and cell id I think yes
[10:57] <mikestir> http://opencellid.org/
[10:58] <mikestir> that appears to have pretty wide coverage
[10:59] <SQ5KVS> but my idea was not to avoid gps "because" but to replace gps by a simple radio system with poor accuracy with less power consumption and cheaper
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[11:02] <Laurenceb__> sirf is pretty good
[11:02] <Laurenceb__> 500µA,1.6v for very low update rate
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[11:04] <Vaizki> we clearly need to set up a dedicated ground network of radio navigation beacons for balloons
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[11:05] <Laurenceb__> location is pretty much a non issue imo
[11:05] <Laurenceb__> telemetry, not so much
[11:05] <Laurenceb__> we could launch our own picosat
[11:06] <mikestir> what about NDBs?
[11:06] <Vaizki> just start sending out ads-b and watch your balloons on fr24 :)
[11:06] <Vaizki> also watch for the police arriving at your home
[11:06] <Laurenceb__> a ukhas picosat would be pretty cool
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[11:14] <SQ5KVS> OT: I have to try travel by first class
[11:14] <SQ5KVS> http://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlines/qantas-introduces-koala-class-on-flight-from-australia-to-singapore.html
[11:16] <Vaizki> the koalas traveled in the cargo bay...
[11:18] <SQ5KVS> it's a first class!
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[11:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VEGA-I - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VEGA-I
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3XCO_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK3XCO_chase
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Vega1_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Vega1_chase
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[11:55] <SQ5NWI> Good afternoon All :)
[11:56] <SQ5NWI> Could someone give me an explanation how meteo balloons data go to habhub?
[11:57] <SQ5NWI> I track them since one year continously, but put them only to APRS-IS.
[11:58] <SQ5NWI> You can find "my" balloons under SQ5NWI-14 callsign - even now it is in the air.
[11:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03J2333543 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=J2333543
[11:58] <Vaizki> afternoon
[11:58] <Vaizki> I don't think meteo (radiosonde) balloons go to habhub?
[11:58] <lilafisch> WHAT
[11:59] <lilafisch> echan.
[12:03] <SQ5NWI> <Vaizki> I think they are. J2333543 seems to be radiosonde and there is a lot of them. :)
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[12:18] <Laurenceb__> http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyefg9h57b1r7rtiio1_500.gif
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[12:30] <SQ5NWI> Any hint for radiosondes or no one of present on the IRC knows?
[12:30] <SQ5NWI> I hope it is not hidden knowledge. ;-)
[12:30] <craag> I think they're meant to be filtered out
[12:31] <craag> lz1dev is the man to talk to
[12:33] <SQ5NWI> Well, I can see that source is in APRS-IS, so they are ported from there - not directly sent from receiver to habhub....
[12:33] <craag> yep
[12:33] <craag> so we import balloons from APRS-IS for HAB stuff
[12:33] <craag> but as far as I'm aware, not Meteo balloon
[12:33] <craag> or the map would be too crowded
[12:37] <SQ5NWI> <craag> See: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FJ2333543&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[12:38] <SQ5NWI> And copmare the data with: http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FSQ5NWI-14&timerange=2700&tail=3600
[12:38] <craag> right..
[12:38] <craag> What am I looking for?
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[12:40] <SQ5NWI> The second is radiosonde. The first seems to be also - I'm sure that on German radiosonde forums there is more details about an objects J2333543 like.
[12:40] <craag> I believe we *attempt* to filter out radiosondes, but it doesn't always work.
[12:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K3353066 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K3353066
[12:41] <craag> There was talk of a separate map for them - but that's outside habhub's scope imo.
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[12:45] <Vaizki> oh ok I hadn't noticed they are now popping up on the map
[12:46] <SQ5KVS> synchronously :)
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K3353087 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K3353087
[12:54] <fsphil> the invasion
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[13:11] <daveake> I remember those days when the map seemed full with 6 balloons on it
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[13:17] <michemto> Hey - does anyone have ukhas logo in vector?
[13:17] <michemto> http://www.dansaul.co.uk/u/ukhas/balloon.ai link isnt working
[13:17] <michemto> as well as psd file
[13:18] <daveake> https://ukhas.org.uk/frontpage:logo
[13:18] <seventeen_> The Israel hab is gliding, but not steering.
[13:19] <daveake> hmm 404
[13:19] <daveake> on that link
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PrjHeT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PrjHeT
[13:24] <seventeen_> Or just strange wind. It seems to be symetric.
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> Isreal Hab glider
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> what could possibly go wrong
[13:26] <daveake> only banks to the left
[13:26] <Laurenceb__> as long as it doesnt bank west
[13:26] <daveake> s/left/west/
[13:27] <Laurenceb__> lol
[13:27] <daveake> dammit
[13:27] <Laurenceb__> WW3-HAB
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[14:07] <KF5WYX> Morning all
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> Mronign
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[14:27] <michemto> the link isnt working still
[14:27] <mattbrejza> danielsaul: ^
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[14:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03YO3FVR_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=YO3FVR_chase
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[15:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VE2WMG-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE2WMG-11
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[15:25] <lz1dev> germany sonde spam
[15:25] <lz1dev> pls
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[15:26] <SQ5KVS> germanium :)
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[15:56] <KF5WYX> Has anyone here ever flown Trackuino?
[15:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0NMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0NMG-11
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[16:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD2EPZ - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD2EPZ
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[16:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03J2314401 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=J2314401
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[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:09] <fsphil> owdy
[17:16] <x-f> ello
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[17:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-41 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-41
[17:34] <SA6BSS> yay :)
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[17:40] <EI2KK> lol.. PS-41 is back :)
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[18:01] <russss> barely a scratch http://i.imgur.com/h8BR1DA.jpg
[18:04] <craag> ha
[18:04] <russss> although the paint job needs a bit of a touchup
[18:04] <arko> tis but a flesh wound
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[18:08] <arko> russss: i dunno, that rocket isn't looking too good :P
[18:09] <KF5WYX> Over my lunch hour, my flight computer transmitted it's first successful APRS packet. Yet to confirm the position report, but it looks like my mission is back on schedule :)
[18:22] <Reb-SM3U1C> arko: agreed. guess the rocket needs a new paintjob before liftoff too
[18:22] <Laurenceb__> any mechanical engineers here?
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[18:24] <arko> :P
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[18:46] <KF5WYX> So, now I need advice. My plan is to use the Kenwood TM-D700a connected to an AvMap GeoSat 6 to track the flight. I also intend to beacon the chase car from the same radio, and to digipeat while mobile (so that packets make it onto APRS.fi and I can use an android as a backup tracking device). Does that all sound reasonable?
[18:49] <KF5WYX> Also, any advice on report frequency would be appreciated.
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[19:16] <dataxtractor> Hello everyone!
[19:18] <KF5WYX> hi dataxtractor - did you used to be an agricultural vehicle?
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[19:47] <garymortimer> howdo
[19:47] <Upu> evening
[19:49] <garymortimer> quite the mass of balloons over Europe this afternoon
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[19:51] <garymortimer> still looking at an OpenLRS module here on the desk and wondering if it can't be used http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__27096__OrangeRx_Open_LRS_433MHz_9Ch_Receiver.html?gclid=CIiB9aqO_sQCFaiE2wodFTkAdA Has anybody tried??
[19:52] <Upu> I understand they have been used
[19:52] <Upu> and drift badly due to temp
[19:52] <Upu> oh
[19:52] <Upu> its RFM22B based
[19:52] <Upu> yeah well
[19:52] <Upu> they drift
[19:52] <Upu> and can fail entirely if they get too cold
[19:53] <garymortimer> Ah I see
[19:53] <Upu> you can use them
[19:53] <Upu> and I have used them quite a bit
[19:53] <Upu> and there is one orbiting round the planet which doesn't seem to have any issues
[19:53] <Upu> but I gave up for balloon use
[19:54] <Upu> they drift
[19:54] <garymortimer> Well I have ordered some foil balloons so might well give it a crack when they arrive
[19:54] <Upu> they don't like cold soak at all
[19:54] <Upu> just stop working
[19:54] <garymortimer> Just turning to winter here as well, minus in the morning and +25 by lunch time
[19:55] <Upu> short flights are generally ok
[19:55] <Upu> but anything longer and I would strongly suggest you use something else
[19:56] <garymortimer> Has anybody come up with ultralight weight cutaways yet? Yes short flights is what I have in mind well flights in a number of hours rather than days
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[19:58] <Upu> possibly explosive ones but they aren't that safe
[19:59] <KF5WYX> perhaps magnesium?
[19:59] <DL7AD> how does it come there are so many balloons over germany?
[20:00] <Upu> someone said sondes Sven
[20:00] <Upu> btw conference again this year if you can make it over again
[20:01] <DL7AD> omg.... they are horrible ^^ ye i wanna come
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[20:01] <Upu> Lunar_Lander may be coming :)
[20:01] <DL7AD> Upu: any information so far on the website?
[20:01] <Upu> no we are still working on firming up a date
[20:02] <DL7AD> okay... what about the location and date (roughly)
[20:02] <Upu> London
[20:02] <Upu> Sept
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[20:02] <Upu> https://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2015
[20:03] <Upu> cheaper hotels this tiem
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> yay UCL
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[20:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VA2RMG-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VA2RMG-11
[20:19] <DL7AD> there's an error Anthony! Upu: <Buy Now Button>
[20:19] <Upu> yeah we've not opened it for reg yet
[20:19] <Upu> as we need some costs from the venus
[20:19] <Upu> venues
[20:20] <DL7AD> okay
[20:20] <Upu> we'll post on the mailing list
[20:21] <DL7AD> i will have a look later (im not at the mailing list)
[20:21] <Upu> I'll mail you seperately
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[20:22] <DL7AD> yeah i will see it in time Upu.
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[20:25] <DL7AD> Upu: btw.... there's a mispelled word
[20:26] <Upu> be my guest :)
[20:26] <DL7AD> 13.00 Lunch / Show and Tell => Launch?
[20:26] <Upu> its just cut and paste from last year
[20:26] <DL7AD> :D
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[20:46] <SpeedEvil> www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/15420/Neptune-Pine-16GB-SMART-WATCH-Unlocked-Android-4-1-Dual-Core-2-4-TABLET-WATCH-GPS-CAMERA-with-WiFi-3G-4G/ - silly teeny tablet for hab?
[20:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0VYQ-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD0VYQ-1
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[21:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03J2314232 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=J2314232
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[22:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03J2314405 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=J2314405
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[23:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU7AA-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LU7AA-11
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