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[03:04] <HABworx> Just wanted to mention that HABworx in Australia is supplying Totex Balloons (100gr, 500gr, 800gr and 1,500gr) and HAM radio tracking and if you live in Sydney, we can supply Helium http://habworx.com
[03:05] <HABworx> The balloons are due to arrive before end of month and preorders will get a 25% discount until the balloons arrive.
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[08:02] <SP5NVX> hi doc a9f5b652b50988afa9bb328e690fa69b redy to lunch, not approved jet
[08:03] <edmoore> mention this on #habhub too if you haven't already
[08:04] <SP5NVX> ok tnx
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[10:34] <Vaizki> !flights
[10:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Current flights: 0328.27 50.62 70.23 144.67 RTTY200bd7n2 10(a69b)
[10:34] <prog> Vaizki: thanks for streaming yesterday
[10:34] <prog> I fell asleep
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[10:35] <Vaizki> I think it's still streaming
[10:35] <prog> how many fps do you get?
[10:37] <Vaizki> I am not at he computer but I saw like 40 frames
[10:38] <prog> not bad.
[10:39] <prog> with a dedicated adsb antenna and Upu's amp you can get over 2000fps
[10:39] <Vaizki> Yea with 2m/70cm antenna
[10:41] <Vaizki> I know very little of adsb
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[10:45] <prog> me too lol
[10:50] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
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[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[14:10] <fxmulder_> £141 to go, I want to see custom Tsunami packaging! :)
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[14:24] <fsphil> um?
[14:25] <myself_> hm?
[14:26] <fsphil> oh
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> I want to believe?
[14:29] <fsphil> the truth is out there
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:37] <myself_> the truth is in here :P
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> just saw a hilarious guardian article
[14:39] Nick change: myself_ -> myself
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> about Ag, Au, Pt in stuff people leave in the toilet
[14:39] <myself> pissious metals?
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/23/gold-in-faeces-worth-millions-save-environment
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[15:17] <fxmulder_> I was referring to Mr Johnson's kickstarter
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[15:38] <chrisstubbs> Has anybody flown a mobius camera before?
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[15:50] <mattbrejza> ask dave
[15:51] <chrisstubbs> daveake, have you flown a mobius?
[15:52] <mattbrejza> the 360deg camera?
[15:53] <chrisstubbs> Nono this is an action cam, failry popular in the RC world. Sits somewhere between the keychain cam and a gopro.
[15:54] <daveake> not me
[15:55] <jonsowman> people have been using them as dashboard cams too
[15:56] <chrisstubbs> Looks like Andrew Myatt flew one on AURA 4 last year according to the mailing list. Will drop him an email.
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[15:58] <mattbrejza> although mobius could be a good name for a 360 camera
[15:58] <mattbrejza> 8would
[15:58] <mattbrejza> *
[15:58] <chrisstubbs> heh
[16:00] <daveake> I did fly a kickstart 360 cam twice
[16:01] <daveake> They asked for it back
[16:01] <daveake> I didn't complain
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[16:02] <daveake> Their stitching software didn't correct for the lens distortion,. Imagin regulat GoPro distortion but in 360 degrees. Ugh.
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[16:03] <myself> Oh man. I tinkered with Hugin back in 2006 or thereabouts, when it was really new and rough around the edges. So many fubar lens parameters :P
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[20:43] <kc2pit> edmoore: A while back, you mentioned the wisdom of isolating I2C in cubesats. Care to elaborate on the whys and hows?
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> I guess single points of failure.
[20:45] <prog> cosmic rays!
[20:45] <edmoore> so the sda and sdc lines are both open-collector
[20:45] <edmoore> well, open-drain i guess
[20:45] <edmoore> so that means that if any single node on the line locks up with the base/gate activated, it brings the entire line down for everyone
[20:46] <kc2pit> It's not just you! SDA looks down from here.
[20:46] <kc2pit> Anyway.
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[20:47] <edmoore> so you can guy bus buffers/isolators that provide protection from that
[20:47] <edmoore> a bus getting stuck
[20:47] <myself> pullup.me/circuit
[20:47] <edmoore> by releasing a line after some 'stuck' time
[20:47] <myself> AC-couple them?
[20:47] <kc2pit> Ahh.
[20:47] <myself> So a stuck line state is a DC offset..
[20:47] <edmoore> well, ac-coupling is how some busses get round that
[20:48] <edmoore> but not i2c
[20:48] <edmoore> they just have a kind of watchdog logic in them i believe
[20:48] <kc2pit> The timeout thing was a feature I hadn't seen.
[20:48] <edmoore> the other advantage of isolating is isolation
[20:48] <kc2pit> And hopefully the thing with a watchdog is less failure-prone than the bus device it's isolating.
[20:48] <edmoore> well yes - because a lot of i2c failures might be coding
[20:49] <edmoore> but if you get a cosmic ray in the wrong place there's probably not much to be done
[20:49] <myself> f'rinstance: http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/lt-journal/LTMag-V16N01-03-LTC4304-Humphrey.pdf
[20:50] <edmoore> so isolation is cool if you want to just be in control of all your grounding
[20:50] <edmoore> i don't really like not isolated busses, although a cubesat is small so not such a big deal
[20:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> !flight ibre1
[20:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[20:50] <edmoore> but like, on the experiment rigs i design everything is isolated just to avoid crying in a corner because of ground loops
[20:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> !flight irbe
[20:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[20:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> !flight irbe1
[20:50] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[20:55] <edmoore> kc2pit, so in summary i basically would want to avoid designing something that Has To Work with a bus in which a failure in one node can bring down the whole bus
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[20:56] <kc2pit> Makes sense.
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[20:58] <edmoore> i really like CAN btw
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[21:07] Action: Flerb_ has solved 14 project euler questions in 2 days
[21:08] <edmoore> they're great
[21:08] <Flerb_> Has anyone done number 15? I'm trying to figure out how you can work out how many steps it would take to get to the bottom right of a 20x20 grid just by going down and right
[21:08] <edmoore> i have done but so long ago i can't remember what it is and i'm about to go to bed to rest an injury
[21:08] <edmoore> but in general it can sometimes help to try and draw with pen and paper a simpler version of them problem
[21:08] <edmoore> eg with a 3x3 grid, or 4x4 grid, or whatever
[21:09] <edmoore> and see if you can spot the pattern
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[21:09] <Flerb_> yeah - there's one example for a 2x2 grid so i might try expanding it
[21:09] <edmoore> i often have to do this with recursive functions - just do a very trivial example on pen/paper to sanity check
[21:09] <edmoore> with just a couple of recursions
[21:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> !flights
[21:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Current flights: 0328.27 50.62 70.23 144.67 RTTY200bd7n2 10(a69b)
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[21:33] <fxmulder_> I should get back into projecteuler, that was fun
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