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[00:26] <KF5WYX> For anyone still here, I don't want to share my frustrations without also sharing the eurikas. Woop! have sine wave!!
[00:28] <adamgreig> hurray :D
[00:34] <fsphil> nice
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[00:37] <KF5WYX> only ax.25 and aprs to implement and 2 weeks to do it (go/nogo in 3weeks)
[00:37] <KF5WYX> :-)
[00:46] <fsphil> those bits are not too bad
[00:46] <fsphil> the aprs part makes no sense
[00:51] <adamgreig> what's the project?
[00:52] <adamgreig> listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIo6qwJarI to help motivate ;)
[00:53] <fsphil> huh, rolf harris as the drummer. scary
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[01:53] <KF5WYX> adamgreig, APRS telemetry transmitter for upcoming hab.
[01:53] <KF5WYX> Arduino Uno custom shield.
[02:12] <KF5WYX> til tomorrow.
[02:12] <KF5WYX> bye all
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[07:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn
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[08:27] <herman> !flights
[08:27] <SpacenearUS> 03herman: There are no flights currently :(
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[10:34] <prog> good morning
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[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:47] <fsphil> yo
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[17:11] <KF5WYX> Is it possible to glue anything to a latex balloon nozzle without damaging it? Would be nice if I could put some anchor points on it for lift measurement and tethering to ground during filling.
[17:13] <edmoore> sure, done that to the thick part of the neck
[17:13] <edmoore> makes little (well, no) difference to performance
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[17:19] <KF5WYX> Okay, so that'll be a good update to launch procedure - I'll still have someone keep their hand on the neck of course.
[17:20] <edmoore> i'd be happier with not using glue tho tbh
[17:21] <KF5WYX> *nods. I was actually considering the glues. The safest I can think of would be hot melt (presuming it doesn't melt the thing)
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[17:27] <edmoore> wouldn't go near hotmelt
[17:30] <KF5WYX> fair enough
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[17:33] <edmoore> i think i'd want something that actually bonds the latex to whatever
[17:33] <edmoore> chemicaly
[17:33] <edmoore> hotmelt is more of a bodge for room-temperature applications
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[17:36] <SpeedEvil> Hotmelt dies >50C <0C alas
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[17:36] <SpeedEvil> It would be rather awesome if it had a wider temperature variance
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[17:45] <KF5WYX> Still something wrong with this dang modem. Audio sounds more like RTTY-50 than AFSK1200, must have timing wrong somewhere.
[17:48] <KF5WYX> yeah, roll over bit on samples per baud period, not roll over on baud rate. Simple bug to find really.
[17:52] <sumie-dh> some other things
[17:53] <edmoore> meta
[17:56] <KF5WYX> trivia. (There was once a meeting point between three towns in Europe, at which the news messengers would meet to exchange information. This meeting point between the towns was the point at which three roads met, or a tri = three, via = way. Hence the word, trivia. That's some meta trivia for you.)
[17:57] <edmoore> that's a lovely bit of trivia
[17:57] <edmoore> thank you
[17:57] <arko> adamgreig: awesome song
[17:57] <KF5WYX> welcome.
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[20:27] <DL7AD> good evening
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD
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[20:33] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander :)
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:31] <KF5WYX> I'm not the best C++ developer, and I've come across an interesting problem using class inheritance. Any ideas? : http://pastebin.com/F46vmFa0
[22:33] <KF5WYX> The linker even complains about cAX25Packet::_one_count which I'm not even using inside cAX25Packet::packFooter();
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[22:37] <prog> forgot the include?
[22:38] <Vaizki> you have line numbers in the linker errors but without seeing the whole file hard to help out
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[22:39] <KF5WYX> The include is present. I'll repost with all of the files included.
[22:39] <mfa298> possibly also check the cDataPacket class. It may be that it specifies you need to create certain functions (although I've not done much inheritance in C++)
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[22:40] <Vaizki> you mean pure virtuals?
[22:41] <mfa298> possibly
[22:42] <KF5WYX> ahh, should they be tagged as virtual?
[22:42] <KF5WYX> *dough* I had them as static. That's the issue. Thank you.
[22:43] <Vaizki> :)
[22:43] <Vaizki> that's not what I meant but glad it helped :)
[22:44] <Vaizki> a pure virtual function is something that the base class defines as an interface but doesn't provide an implementation for it
[22:44] <KF5WYX> I really dislike inheritance in C++, feels like such a bolt on. I'm an engineer for a compiler company, specialize in object pascal (no one laugh, recent versions are very modern languages)
[22:44] <Vaizki> so any class inheriting the base class must define those members for it to be a valid class
[22:44] <mfa298> from my limited understanding the virtual functions are in the class your inheriting from and effectivly says this is something you need to impliment (e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1306778/c-virtual-pure-virtual-explained)
[22:44] <Vaizki> yea like: virtual foo() = 0;
[22:45] <adamgreig> even object pascal presumably has abstract base classes?
[22:45] <Vaizki> so everyone inheriting it must define a foo() function with that prototype
[22:45] <KF5WYX> *nods - I used them all the time in Delphi. The issue with pure virtual methods in C++ is if you have as many as one pure virtual method, the entire class is abstract.
[22:45] <adamgreig> that is always the case
[22:45] <mfa298> the "class Animal" in the link I gave above looks to be a decent example
[22:45] <Vaizki> well naturally it's abstract
[22:45] <adamgreig> you can't have a concrete class with any virtual methods
[22:45] <Vaizki> umm pure virtual
[22:46] <adamgreig> ok yea, I really mean "with any abstract methods"
[22:47] <Vaizki> and the stupid = 0 notation is because bjarne was too lazy to fight for a new keyword ;)
[22:47] <adamgreig> should have just used 'const' again. or 'static'
[22:47] <adamgreig> not like they have any meaning any more anyway
[22:47] <adamgreig> const virtual static foo() const static;
[22:47] <KF5WYX> You can't in C++ :) In pascal you can define some methods as virtual (abstract) but still put static methods on the base class. If you try to call one of the abstract methods on a sub-class which has not implemented them, you get a compiler error. It means you can actually call the abstract methods from concrete methods in the base class, making the abstract a kind of plug-in method.
[22:47] <KF5WYX> I tried that once for work in a C++ project and spent about 2 hours trying to figure out why the compiler was so upset with me.
[22:48] <adamgreig> oh right
[22:48] <adamgreig> i feel like there is probably a way to have C++ do that too
[22:48] <KF5WYX> Yup, interfaces.
[22:49] <KF5WYX> In the pascal world, I didn't have to learn anything about interfaces until I had to interop with C++ code, because of those abstract methods.
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[22:49] <adamgreig> well c++ doesn't really have a concept of 'interfaces', you just do multiple inheritence from pure virtual base classes?
[22:49] <adamgreig> mm
[22:50] <KF5WYX> perhaps it was interop with C# I'm thinking of then.
[22:50] <Vaizki> don't define abstract classes if they're not really abstract ;)
[22:50] <adamgreig> c# probably has real interfaces :P
[22:51] <Vaizki> yes it does
[22:52] <prog> and they work fine
[22:53] <Vaizki> c++ has multiple inheritance so it doesn't need them..
[22:53] <Vaizki> not saying which is better just saying why c++ doesn't have them :)
[22:54] <KF5WYX> it's a fair point.
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[23:12] <KF5WYX> Anyone know of software for ubuntu that'll decode AFSK-1200 from the mic?
[23:19] <Vaizki> qtmm
[23:19] <KF5WYX> thanks.
[23:19] <Vaizki> I'm supposed to be sleeping.. so I will go sleep.. but qtmm works for me.
[23:19] <KF5WYX> appreciate it - good night.
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