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[07:04] <Maxell> inside Duga-3 / C30-3, computer mainframe of the Russian Woodpecker / Chernobyl-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-UXWh4Rj_E
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[09:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[09:24] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03VR2SPC2 10(8ab8), 03XABEN86 10(6aaa)
[09:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial XABEN86
[09:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[09:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial VR2SPC2
[09:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:44] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dail VR2SPC2
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[10:01] <Upu> 434.653
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[10:09] <fsphil> what time is this northern flight?
[10:10] <fsphil> oh a hour ago
[10:11] <fsphil> ish time
[10:11] <Upu> heh
[10:11] <Upu> I think I can see it
[10:11] <Upu> though it looks scattered
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[10:19] <DutchMillbt> Good morning UPU is there a way to get the lat/lon from fldigi for controlling my rotor?
[10:19] <Upu> try that
[10:20] <DutchMillbt> thankz merci
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> VR2SC hasn't launched yet has it ?
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[10:27] <mikestir> stretching "ish" a bit this one isn't it?
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its only 10:27 UTC
[10:27] <mikestir> it was supposed to be 9 utc though wasn't it?
[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> 10:00 I saw
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> 10:00 to 14:00
[10:29] <Upu> think its upo
[10:29] <Upu> just popped on waterfall
[10:29] <Upu> yup up
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[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes
[10:32] <Upu> 434.652
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[10:37] <Upu> they weren't joking about the ascent rate
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope well clear of Stanstead at aleast!
[10:40] <Upu> yep
[10:40] <prog> 'morning
[10:40] <Upu> morning prog
[10:40] <Upu> works a treat :)
[10:40] <mattbrejza> is steve chasing?
[10:41] <prog> screenshots!
[10:41] <Upu> its hard to see the signal
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[10:41] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/bxYKeOZ.jpg
[10:42] <mattbrejza> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1592839372/virtual-ride-to-space-vr2space
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/VR2SC_20150404/ nothing from me yet direct only via the websdr in NLINCS
[10:42] <Upu> "not"
[10:42] <mattbrejza> persumably thats whats flying
[10:42] <Upu> 32 decimation
[10:44] <prog> use 64
[10:45] <prog> what distance is that screenshot?
[10:45] <Upu> only 67km
[10:45] <Upu> drive via habamp and a 19 element Yagfi
[10:46] <Upu> but a perfect signal
[10:46] <prog> no errors or whatsoever?
[10:47] <Upu> none
[10:47] <Upu> get bursts of QRM occasionally which knock it out
[10:47] <prog> let me know when it's 300km away hehe
[10:47] <Upu> will do
[10:47] <prog> since you're using FSK, you can use the noise reduction to enhance the signal even more
[10:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[10:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03VR2SPC2 10(8ab8), 03XABEN86 10(6aaa)
[10:48] <prog> pm
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[10:49] <Herman-PB0AHX> !
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[10:53] <PE2G> !dial 8ab8
[10:53] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03VR2Space 10(8ab8): 03434.65276 MHz, 434.651499 MHz, 434.6499 MHz, 434.650814 MHz, 434.65285 MHz, 434.65346 MHz
[10:54] <fsphil> .650 huh, this an old ntx2?
[10:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> is autocing ok for VR2Space ??
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> given the drift yes!
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[10:55] <fsphil> hah
[10:55] <fsphil> not on my waterfall yet
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[10:55] <fsphil> shouldn't be long now
[10:55] <fsphil> and right on cue, there it is
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Me too just got over the Downs
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[10:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> is autoconfig ok for VR2Space
[10:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes
[10:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx geoff
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[10:59] <Herman-PB0AHX> yess green
[10:59] <fsphil> hmm gone here
[11:01] <fsphil> and back
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[11:04] <fsphil> very weak atm
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> very fluttery with me as well
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> stability not good
[11:05] <fsphil> yea I see that too
[11:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> he is drifting fast some times here
[11:06] <Herman-PB0AHX> red red red
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[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/VR2SC_20150404/index.php?ind=3
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> stability awefull
[11:11] <fsphil> gone again here
[11:12] <prog> Geoff-G8DHE: using the spy too?
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup you can see the w/f here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/VR2SC_20150404/index.php?ind=4
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats in dl-fldigi
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[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah suddenly stable again!
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[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder if its spinning fast ?
[11:19] <prog> not using a tcxo or such?
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think so
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[11:20] <prog> what's the external temperature?
[11:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> -39 at the moment
[11:22] <fsphil> yep solid but very weak. don't think I'll be getting any strings from this one
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon there is a null in the aerial and its spinning
[11:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> and now its warming up again!
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> burst!
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[11:35] <prog> distance?
[11:35] <PB0NER-Martijn> 333.5
[11:37] <prog> awesome
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[11:47] <PB0NER-Martijn> did track it over 350
[11:47] <PB0NER-Martijn> 357 ish
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[11:52] <mand> !flights
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> 03mand: Current flights: 03VR2SPC2 10(8ab8), 03XABEN86 10(6aaa)
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[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Whats XABEN doing over in Shrewsbury, thought my aerials had gone mad!
[12:07] <daveake> Probably because a Cambs launch would be a channel landing
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Very likely more likely offshore Hastings!
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[12:10] <prog> Upu: still receiving that signal?
[12:10] <db_g6gzh> VR2SC was quite a wobbly signal, both frequency and amplitude. I could hear it for several minutes after my last good decode but every string had one or two errors in it.
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[12:16] <Upu> nope it has come down now
[12:16] <Upu> was quite a quick flight
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[12:16] <Upu> there is another one due up soon
[12:16] <Upu> !dial XABEN
[12:16] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:17] <Upu> !dial XABEN86
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:17] <daveake> It's in the diary as XABEN86
[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial XABEN0
[12:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): 03434.66 MHz
[12:17] <Upu> is it up ?
[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not on the map yet
[12:18] <Upu> k
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its meant to be 434.3 and 434.45
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[12:41] <Herman-PB0AHX> XABEN0 is up ????
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[12:44] <edmoore> XABEN0?
[12:44] <edmoore> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/98/98b39b21ff008afaa5cba1e79fc611b2ddb64b3f44f57e792397c517768f4433.jpg
[12:46] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flihgts
[12:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03VR2SPC2 10(8ab8), 03XABEN86 10(6aaa)
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[12:51] <PE2G> XABEN0 is up
[12:52] <PE2G> !dial 6aaa
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): none
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03uX2 10(6aaa): 03434.445 MHz
[12:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> PE2G: weet jij qrg ??
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[12:55] <PE2G> !dial 6aaa
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): none
[12:55] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03uX2 10(6aaa): 03434.444764 MHz, 434.4455 MHz, 434.445341 MHz, 434.445 MHz
[12:55] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: ^
[12:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok tnx
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[12:58] <G0WXI_> !dial XABEN0
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): 03434.298 MHz
[12:59] <G0WXI_> !dial uX2
[12:59] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03uX2 10(6aaa): 03434.4455 MHz, 434.66 MHz, 434.444905 MHz
[13:01] <G0WXI_> !dial XABEN0
[13:01] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): 03434.298 MHz
[13:01] <edmoore> is it really xaben0?
[13:01] <edmoore> madness
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[13:01] <mikestir> integer overflow
[13:03] <daveake> padding error
[13:04] <G0WXI_> !dial XABEN0
[13:04] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): 03434.2973 MHz, 434.298 MHz
[13:05] <daveake> Is Steve aiming for Cherbourg? :)
[13:05] <edmoore> cher borg,
[13:05] <edmoore> je voudrais devenir part of le collectif
[13:06] <edmoore> pas-ce-que resistence est futile
[13:06] <Laurenceb__> heh
[13:06] <daveake> sept de neuf
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[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> He knows he will get picked up there as did |SUSF!
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[13:09] <pfysmate> !dials uX2
[13:10] <daveake> 445
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[13:14] <pfysmate> thanks
[13:14] <edmoore> probably said this before but the recovery rate of sea-landings has been satggeringly high for us
[13:15] <edmoore> i think *most* of our sea landings have washed up and been recovered by a passing person
[13:15] <daveake> I've done 3 sea landings 1 recovered (by me)
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[13:16] <edmoore> this is the fate of badger1, the first flight computer that fergus and I built https://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/3863616068/in/set-72157622038400075
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[13:16] <edmoore> use acrylic protective laquer spray, people
[13:17] <daveake> that's a very un-ed-like inline resistor dangling there
[13:18] <edmoore> 2007
[13:18] <edmoore> i was 19
[13:18] <daveake> :)
[13:18] <edmoore> i knew nothing
[13:18] <edmoore> actually all that lot inc ntwx was packaged up in an unsulating parcel
[13:18] <edmoore> heathrunk together
[13:18] <edmoore> for thermal stability
[13:19] <edmoore> no 2008 was B1
[13:19] <edmoore> sorry
[13:19] <edmoore> 20
[13:20] Action: Laurenceb__ was around for Nova-1 in 2006
[13:20] <edmoore> carl has dropped off the face of the earth
[13:20] <edmoore> no one can contact him
[13:20] <Laurenceb__> :-/
[13:21] <Laurenceb__> no Facebook etc?
[13:21] <edmoore> nope
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[13:39] <daveake> Nice strong signals here, unsurprisingly :)
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[13:51] <PE2BZ> !dial XABEN0
[13:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Latest dials for 03XABEN0 10(6aaa): 03434.298123 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.298368 MHz, 434.076 MHz
[13:51] <chimpusmaximus> Hi did VR2SC go ok?
[13:52] <daveake> Recovered
[13:52] <daveake> From the mailing list: "Payload recovered successfully! No news on the performance of the cameras y"
[13:52] <chimpusmaximus> cool, just managed to find email. Only a few miles from me so shame i got called out to other things. Refitting a sun roof while it was not raining.
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[13:56] <DutchMillbt> !dial uX2
[13:56] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03uX2 10(6aaa): 03434.448 MHz, 434.44743 MHz, 434.4466 MHz, 434.447274 MHz, 434.44693 MHz, 434.4467 MHz, 434.44782 MHz, 434.447384 MHz, 434.447435 MHz
[14:00] <DutchMillbt> uX2 looks like 7N2?
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[14:08] <PE2BZ> DutchMillbt : UX2 with auto configure, 50 bd, 7 n 1 runs ok.
[14:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice stbel signaal from $$$$uX2,909,14:25:20,51.49620,-2.31861,22697,1.36,8,0F0*0FD
[14:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice stabel signaal from $$$$uX2,909,14:25:20,51.49620,-2.31861,22697,1.36,8,0F0*0FD
[14:27] <daveake> xaben coming down
[14:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> ploffff
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[14:32] <G4YHE> Successful uploads with good checksum but no green line on map, any ideas about this?
[14:34] <daveake> Check your location settings in dl-fldigi
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[14:34] <mattbrejza> G4YHE: youre at least uplaoding: http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[14:35] <mattbrejza> 147 sentences
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[14:38] <G4YHE> SpeedEvil the location settings worked for this morning's flight but I will double check.
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[14:39] <G4YHE> mattbrejza thanks for the link, I will check it.
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[14:54] <G4YHE> Found my green line on http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ thanks all, :)
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[15:22] <anerdev> hey hey =D
[15:23] <anerdev> 10 minutes and testing my system :))
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[17:00] <sumie-dh> hi everyone
[17:01] <sumie-dh> is there anybody who run SondeMonitor under Wine?
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[17:06] <fsphil> not recently
[17:07] <sumie-dh> pity, I have some problem with ephemeries / GPS almanac import, so I try use more google-fu :P
[17:08] <fsphil> download it from http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gpsAlmanacs
[17:08] <fsphil> the al3 file
[17:10] <fsphil> it should be able to download that data from the gps satellites directly, but that's never worked for me
[17:10] <sumie-dh> I know, but problem is probably in SM under wine, not in file
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[17:15] <fsphil> what's not working?
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[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:20] <sumie-dh> Tools > GPS arm > import ephemeries / almanac file import (tried SEM al3 file and txt for ephemeries) > error mesage Ephemeries file reading failed peep out
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[17:32] <mikestir> sumie-dh: is the file in a location visible to wine - ie put it in ~/.wine/drive_c
[17:32] <mikestir> that's often a cause of weird file not found errors in wine - it can only see a subset of your filesystem
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[17:33] <fsphil> the users home directory may get its own drive letter
[17:34] <KF5WYX> *nods at fsphil
[17:34] <KF5WYX> hi all
[17:34] <mikestir> yeah maybe. I've had trouble trying to run exe files direct from home though so might be worth a try just to rule it out
[17:35] <sumie-dh> mikestir: that I tried too...but with same result as with import from /home file
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[17:58] <RocketBoy> hi Guys XABEN86 recovered OK - thanks for tracking
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[18:00] <daveake> great
[18:01] <daveake> long day
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[18:22] <Laurenceb__> 86 O_o
[18:23] <Upu> offically...
[18:25] <edmoore> been at it a while
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[21:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All :-)
[21:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> Finally, after few evenings, I have working and extremely cheap OSD mixer for HAB (and maybe others) applicatoons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImjxTBo7q8U
[21:19] <KF5WYX> nigelvh, you around?
[21:21] <KF5WYX> This PWM sine wave generator for atmega328p is driving me insane. I'm clearly getting something wrong, but new to the controller I can't even keep track of the register names etc.
[21:23] <daveake> Nice work SP9UOB-Tom :)
[21:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: thanks, drawing fonts was really pain in the ass, after 3 days used linux console font ;-)
[21:24] <daveake> :)
[21:26] <daveake> I did a scrolling LED display a couple of years ago and I ended up writing a program to convert a Windows fixed-font to hex in a .h file
[21:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> yeah, drawing fonts bit by bit is allmost impossible, and they're look awful
[21:28] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
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[22:01] <fsphil> I've drawn a few small pixel fonts. the Q is always the worst
[22:02] <Ian_> [22:21] <KF5WYX> This PWM sine wave generator for atmega328p . . . is there an inferred question in there somewhere? Show code or . . .
[22:02] <KF5WYX> Hi Ian, I was just sharing frustration, because I know how valuable it can be to do so.
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[22:03] <Ian_> Ha, Fair comment. Is this some code you have written or just out there? Is the code reading a port that you haven't got anything on the end of?
[22:04] <KF5WYX> Though, there was a question nigel answered for me a few days ago which I still don't understand fully. That-is. Fast PWM non inverting @16Mhz / 256 cycles per sample / 1200 baud periods = 52.083, that seems like quite a low resolution sine wave, the samples I find (including trackuino) provide 256/512 arrays of data points for the sine wave. I don't understand why (given that they also fire the interrupt per 256 cycles)
[22:04] <KF5WYX> Trying to write this for myself, using existing code-samples.
[22:06] <KF5WYX> I'm writing a sine wave out, on arduino uno pin 3, to drive a radio for AFSK1200
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[22:08] <Ian_> What's happening, obviously not what you expect. I was looking at something like this just recently, but only playing around. Essentially the way I understood it (marginally) was that the table provided the sine wave and the PWM frequency provided the output frequency.
[22:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: Q, W in fact all :-)
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[22:09] <fsphil> KF5WYX: you only need F*2 sample rate to accuratly represent a frequency of F
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[22:09] <Ian_> So when your data changed the output bit from 0 to 1 or vice versa, the sinewave production speeded up, but continued from the previous sample and so was phase continuous.
[22:09] <KF5WYX> Ian_ Well, at my last attempt I was just getting a nasty irregular square wave, but I can't really trace through the problem right now because I decided to start over with the wave generator. I'm part way through a rework. (it was getting messy).
[22:09] <Ian_> No disruption shock
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[22:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> KF5WYX: check the QAPRS library for APRS @arduino: https://bitbucket.org/Qyon/arduinoqaprs/
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[22:10] <Ian_> Ham RTTY users in the 1970s spent a lot of time developing phase continuous oscillaltors for the purpose.
[22:11] <Ian_> many thanks Thomaz, will indeed look at that.
[22:12] <KF5WYX> SP9UOB-Tom, thanks, I downloaded a copy.
[22:14] <Ian_> I'm a bit slow, but make that +1
[22:14] <Ian_> KF5WYX, obviously it helps to help . . . :)
[22:14] <KF5WYX> :-D Always.
[22:14] <fsphil> most of the avr aprs programs work by reading out the sine wave lookup table, and varying how far it steps each time to control the frequency
[22:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> docs are in Polish, but there is a lots of self-explaining examples
[22:15] <KF5WYX> fsphil, that's what I've noticed in the trackuino code. It's using a phase_delta to stride the lookup table.
[22:15] <fsphil> yea
[22:16] <fsphil> if you read out each sample at a time, you'd get a tone of F_CPU / 256 / 256
[22:16] <fsphil> (assuming the 8-bit timer and no clock prescaler)
[22:17] <KF5WYX> Thing is. It would seem to me that if 2200Hz is the highest tone required (bell tones), then that's two complete waves per baud period at 1200 baud. So why not create two tables, one for 1200 and the other for 2200, each with 52 data-points, and simply switch to the next data point per interrupt?
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[22:17] <fsphil> you'd get a phase jump when you switched tables
[22:18] <fsphil> 1200 and 2200 don't divide evenly
[22:18] <fsphil> that would work if it was 1200hz and 2400hz
[22:18] <KF5WYX> I see. Makes sense.
[22:19] <fsphil> for the 1200hz tone, the point in the sine wave at the start of each bit will be the same as the end
[22:19] <KF5WYX> ok. I'm going to have another stab at this using non-inverting Fast PWM @ 256 cycles per sample.
[22:19] <fsphil> but 2200 it would be slightly behind
[22:19] <fsphil> annoying. anyone know why they went with 1200/2200 instead of 1200/2400?
[22:20] <Ian_> Because of aliasing i would imagine
[22:20] <Reb-SM0ULC> fsphil: the piview,solarpowred?
[22:20] <Ian_> You don't want the tones harmonically related
[22:20] <fsphil> Reb-SM0ULC: it is yea
[22:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> Night all, Happy Easter !
[22:21] <fsphil> nite tom!
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[22:21] <Ian_> The output frequency is dependent upon the rate of painting the sine wave. Off to look at Thomaz's reference ^ ^ ^. Gnite
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[23:00] <Ian_> Did daveake have anything to do with the teddyinto space Specsaver advert footage?
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[23:06] <fsphil> don't believe so
[23:07] <Ian_> Thanks fsphil. I was just about to hop out of the channel to reset it for my tomorrow. two seconds later and I would have missed your reply :)
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[23:08] <fsphil> yea tis getting late
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