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[07:58] <infaddict> morning everyone
[08:00] <fsphil> g'morn
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[09:00] <LunarWork> morning
[09:00] <craag> morning
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[09:08] <Vaizki> afternoon
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[10:03] <amell> morning
[10:04] <fsphil> morns
[10:04] Nick change: Hix2 -> Hix
[10:06] <infaddict> morning amell
[10:06] <daveake> still morning despite that stupid BST thing
[10:06] <fsphil> yea annoying
[10:07] <amell> this morning, my sole aim is to stop the dog from attacking the 3D printer as i do a plateful.
[10:07] <fsphil> I stayed up "late" last night
[10:07] <fsphil> my brain is still on GMT
[10:07] <fsphil> lol
[10:07] <daveake> I'm still undecided about getting a 3d printer
[10:07] <fsphil> print a cage
[10:07] <daveake> more hassle than they're worth
[10:07] <daveake> ditto dog
[10:08] <daveake> at least dogs are a known quantity these days
[10:08] <daveake> mature product
[10:08] <amell> daveake: they are noisy, something about it when its printing winds the dog up. some frequency. He doesnt seem too bothered when the rods are lubricated more.
[10:08] <fsphil> thousands of years in development
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[10:09] <daveake> I hear too many stories of hours spent making/calibrating/testing
[10:09] <fsphil> better to get a CNC
[10:09] <daveake> and still they produce something not disimilar to what the dog would have
[10:09] <fsphil> or a laser cutter
[10:09] <daveake> yes
[10:10] <amell> once youve got the hang of it, its actually quite useful, as you can produce custom parts
[10:10] <amell> i still lust after a laser cutter, but the maintenance puts me off. needs water cooling, and the water constantly needs changing.
[10:10] <amell> otherwise it becomes a festering stinking mess.
[10:11] <daveake> Poor dog
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[10:15] <mfa298> laser cutter doesn't seem too bad in terms of cleaning - we have one at work.
[10:16] <mfa298> but they do need constant monitoring otherwise it could be cleaned with fire.
[10:16] <amell> bet its an expensive one with seriously heavy duty extraction.
[10:16] <mfa298> we've got some bits of acrylic that are a testament to that.
[10:16] <mfa298> about £6k I think, cheaper than the CNC
[10:16] <gonzo_> what's the prob with the water colling? Is it ion the HV path?
[10:17] <infaddict> how much are consumer 3d printers nowadays?
[10:17] <amell> the water gets dirty. antibacterials dont last long. it goes green
[10:17] <amell> i paid 500 for mine. Mendel90 kit.
[10:18] <gonzo_> I've done water cooling of tx valves. And the water is in the HV areas, so it gets ionised
[10:18] <infaddict> thx amell. cheaper than i thought. are they costly to run?
[10:18] <gonzo_> have to watch the current leakage and change it regularlky
[10:18] <amell> well, the PLA/ABS - decent stuff, is £25 a kg or so.
[10:19] <amell> heating - electricity - no more than your average desktop PC.
[10:19] <daveake> anger management fees
[10:19] <amell> constant monitoring.
[10:19] <amell> nothing worse than coming back to it after a couple of hours printing, to find your part came off the bed 2 hours ago.
[10:20] <infaddict> haha wasnt sure if that was all internet rumour but sounds like they are a pain
[10:20] <gonzo_> wear and tear on the dog
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[10:22] <amell> there is a learning curve
[10:22] <mfa298> Once calibrated I've not had too much issue with parts coming off 3d printers.
[10:22] <amell> after a week, you will wish you hadnt bought the bloody thing. a week later, all is good.
[10:22] <daveake> Sounds even more like a dog
[10:22] <mfa298> but we did upgrade one to a glass bed and using ABS
[10:22] <mfa298> and that was printing a lot of stuff
[10:23] <amell> glass bed and silvikrin extra hold hairspray for PLA. glass bed and ABS juice for ABS.
[10:23] <gonzo_> (wonder if the x/y cammands for it are, "Away" and "Come Bye")
[10:24] <mfa298> the bed was so well aligned we could get away without the abs juice
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[11:23] <infaddict> apologies if this is in the wiki and i havent spotted it, but any guidance on attaching cord lines to payload box? and also how to secure payload box lid during flight.
[11:23] <infaddict> from pics i've seen, it appears 4 lines to each corner of payload box, but not sure how attached
[11:23] <infaddict> 1 line per corner i mean
[11:24] <mattbrejza> normally the lines loop underneigth the box rather than being tied to it
[11:25] <infaddict> ah really. so what stops them detaching? are they taped or attached to the box?
[11:25] <Vaizki> infaddict, https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8160/7214525854_733237dd83_z.jpg
[11:25] <mattbrejza> holes through the box
[11:25] <mattbrejza> usually straws
[11:26] <mattbrejza> since string tends to cut though polystrene
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[11:26] <infaddict> lol Vaizki
[11:26] <infaddict> i have a new orange roll of duck tape purely for this project ;-)
[11:26] <infaddict> thx mattbrejza... so at which position are the holes normally?
[11:27] <fsphil> I've never had a problem with the cord cutting through the polystyrene
[11:27] <fsphil> though my boxes are not that heavy
[11:27] <jcoxon> i usually loop string underneath the bottom, 2 loops at right angles and then tape them down
[11:27] <jcoxon> tie at the top and make a small loop to attach the main flight line
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[11:28] <mattbrejza> fsphil: the payload box on the top right didnt have straws https://www.flickr.com/photos/104821768@N06/13779114104/in/set-72157643796258384
[11:28] <mattbrejza> the box was almost shredded
[11:29] <fsphil> I made a diagram for someone recently, http://i.imgur.com/kEVEKN0.png
[11:29] <fsphil> taped down with duct tape to stop it moving
[11:29] <Vaizki> but you tape it down on the outside?
[11:29] <fsphil> yea
[11:30] <mattbrejza> i glue straws to the outside
[11:30] <fsphil> if it could move it would work like a saw
[11:30] <Vaizki> that's what I thought would be easiest, this straw thing is interesting
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[11:30] <infaddict> great info thx both
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[11:31] <infaddict> thats exactly where I would tape my radials tho
[11:31] <fsphil> same here
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[11:31] <Vaizki> the line is only 1.5mm or so.. hardly puts your radials all wrong?
[11:31] <infaddict> nope just thinking out loud how i'd manage it
[11:33] <infaddict> probably doesnt matter but i'd stick the cord first then radials last
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[11:43] <infaddict> on securing payload lid to box, presume its good old duck tape again? ;-)
[11:43] <daveake> Posh version - embed the cord into the payload box
[11:43] <daveake> e.g. run it down the join between sheets in each corner
[11:44] <infaddict> good idea daveake, sadly mine is a pre built box for my first launch
[11:44] <mattbrejza> tbh i cant think of an occasion where a hab payload has fallen apart?
[11:44] <fsphil> not in the air anyway
[11:44] <daveake> I can
[11:44] <mattbrejza> oh lol
[11:44] <daveake> Not mine
[11:44] <fsphil> oh dear
[11:45] <mattbrejza> main thing is make sure its nice and level and cant move (if taking photos)
[11:45] <mattbrejza> its not exactly something you shout about, photos at all daveake ?
[11:45] <Vaizki> have you guys experimented with rudder vanes? :)
[11:46] <daveake> Of the falling-apart one? No, sorry
[11:46] <mattbrejza> :(
[11:46] <daveake> My not-falling-apart one http://raspi.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DSC_3924.jpg
[11:46] <mattbrejza> will just have to watch the blast drop test instead for some amusement
[11:46] <fsphil> hah
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[11:57] <Laurenceb> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_8a.htm#inicio
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[12:37] <fsphil> PS-40 is doing well, between .au and .nz, and being received near Perth over 4000km away
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[12:52] <Vaizki> I think it's a WSPR one? and VK6XT is just importing the data from wsprnet, there is a VK3ANH callsign doing WSPR reporting from grid RF18 which matches PS-40 position
[12:54] <Vaizki> or maybe it's using some other HF reporting because if the location was just grid based it would have a resolution of 100km or so..
[12:56] <Vaizki> the furthest WSPR spots for VK3ANH are 17500km away in France...
[12:57] <Vaizki> which is a bit impressive to say the least as it's reporting 10mW transmit power
[12:57] <fsphil> I think they use wspr and one of the other JT modes
[12:57] <Vaizki> yea jt9 probably
[12:59] <Vaizki> I wonder what the antenna is like.. must be pretty long wire trailing that balloon
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[13:00] <Vaizki> 1/4 wavelength on 10MHz would be 7.5 meters
[13:01] <fsphil> that could be fairly heavy
[13:04] <pc1pcl> wonder if it is using a full half wave dipole, or some sort of shortened and/or endfed antenna.
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[13:29] <gonzo_> use a short inefficient antenna and stuff more power up the end.
[13:29] <gonzo_> is the speced erp 10mw or just the driving power
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[13:32] <mattbrejza> well tomorrow looks like a bad day for habbing
[13:33] <fsphil> oh nice
[13:33] <fsphil> I could land in Leeds
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> The horror.
[13:34] <fsphil> knowing my luck it would end up in the dales
[13:34] <fsphil> or next door
[13:35] <daveake> or a lake
[13:35] <Vaizki> well pick a day and launch from near my home and it lands in the sea or in russia :)
[13:35] <Vaizki> so no complaining...
[13:37] <mattbrejza> i was more concerned about hte ground wind
[13:37] <mattbrejza> 45 gusts
[13:38] <infaddict> yep crazy windy here last few days. i tried (and failed) to erect a shed on Saturday in 45 gusts ;-(
[13:39] <infaddict> A launch today for me would travel 343km and end up 200km offshore!
[13:45] <infaddict> anybody ever done a cross channel or cross sea launch/land? collaboration with overseas!
[13:45] <Vaizki> it would be great to build a tracking network based purely on multilateration from floater beeps
[13:45] <fsphil> a few have landed in france
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[13:45] <Vaizki> just for fun
[13:45] <daveake> yeah it's been done
[13:45] <Vaizki> so no gps on the balloons etc, just a beep sequence
[13:45] <Vaizki> oh, did it work?
[13:46] <fsphil> I've done one of cross-irish sea but it got lost in yorkshire
[13:46] <daveake> I'm answering <infaddict>
[13:46] <daveake> I had one collected in Belgium
[13:46] <Vaizki> ah. yes. I'm in write-only mode again.
[13:46] <daveake> Upu's was the best tho
[13:46] <UpuWork> heh
[13:46] <infaddict> lol fsphil easy to get lost in yorkshire!
[13:47] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=522
[13:47] <infaddict> What did you do Upu? Is this the North Sea lander or another?
[13:47] <daveake> Has anyone sent one cross-sea eastwards?
[13:47] <UpuWork> read that
[13:47] <daveake> I tried but failed
[13:47] <UpuWork> bow before Radim
[13:47] <daveake> s/east/west/
[13:48] <mattbrejza> we've just had one pulled out of the sea by france
[13:48] <mattbrejza> currently in the post
[13:48] <Vaizki> apparently the french navy ran into it and sunk
[13:49] <Vaizki> unless I was given bad intel
[13:49] <daveake> s/sunk/surrendered/
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[13:49] <infaddict> Geez a snow covered mountain recovery, ski's and all! great!
[13:49] <daveake> epic
[13:49] <fsphil> that was amazing to watch unfold live
[13:49] <infaddict> i can imagine!
[13:50] <infaddict> Seems to be quite windy whenever you launch Upu ;-)
[13:50] <UpuWork> I still lol when I think how 4 "military spec" slovaks climbed up a mountain to recover my pink ball with retarded smily face on it
[13:50] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_1529.jpg
[13:51] <Vaizki> that looks like finland ;)
[13:52] <Vaizki> except our mountains are not that high
[13:52] <UpuWork> seen this one infaddict : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzHug3Ji3Ms
[13:52] <daveake> wasn't windy on Friday
[13:52] <infaddict> great story and example of cross border HAB collectivness!
[13:52] <daveake> So it's not *every* time :)
[13:53] <infaddict> Yep Upu thats the one I was thinking of. Crazy.
[13:53] <UpuWork> what you don't see is me running after the payload with a very sharp knife and cutting it loose at the end
[13:53] <infaddict> is that daveake about to take off!
[13:53] <UpuWork> (it got stuck)
[13:53] <infaddict> lol
[13:54] <Vaizki> ok wtf with that windy launch
[13:54] <Vaizki> you are crazy :)
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[13:54] <UpuWork> daveake is the master of the windy launch
[13:54] <daveake> That was probably the worst I've done with an underfilled balloon
[13:54] <Vaizki> it's like watching nude skydiving that balloon....
[13:54] <fsphil> I've launched in winter storms before
[13:55] <daveake> I've done one worse but that was a smaller balloon and a lot of lift
[13:55] <infaddict> Was that for a slow ascent or normal fill?
[13:55] <fsphil> nothing like getting pounded by hail and sleet, and trying to tie knots and type with frozen fingers
[13:55] <UpuWork> that was filled for a float
[13:55] <daveake> Large balloon small payload normal ascent rate
[13:55] <UpuWork> 1m/s
[13:55] <UpuWork> daveake do you have the video of the wedding dress launch ?
[13:55] <daveake> 1 sec
[13:56] <UpuWork> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkd3hL6hJ80
[13:56] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh_IOIGg8tU
[13:56] <UpuWork> James May's flight landing on a pylon
[13:56] <UpuWork> which I've never shared out
[13:57] <Vaizki> ouch powerline
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[13:58] <gonzo_> I watched the TV footage very carefully. It looked like the chute rolled over the line, but didn't actually get caught?
[13:58] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV_kIjJuctM
[13:59] <UpuWork> it tagged then the weight of the payload pulled it iff
[13:59] <UpuWork> off
[13:59] <daveake> Never did get a neck lift from that
[13:59] <daveake> Just had to stand back, stare at the balloon and go "yeah that's about enough"
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[13:59] <fsphil> done that a few times
[13:59] <daveake> note horizontal line at some points
[13:59] <Vaizki> ok so it would be really nice to have a launch site where the neck lift could be measured inside just before launch..
[14:00] <daveake> note me nearly getting pulled over
[14:00] <gonzo_> yep, what I picked oiver was the upwards looking cam footage
[14:00] <mattbrejza> you could go on tank pressure though?
[14:00] <UpuWork> that would be nice yes Vaizki
[14:00] <fsphil> an indoor filling area is brilliant
[14:00] <fsphil> I'm very lucky I have that here
[14:00] <mattbrejza> anyone looked into getting those thigns the met office use, that unravel the string after releasing
[14:00] <fsphil> though of the two launches I've done from it, both have failed
[14:01] <gonzo_> I reuuesd a recovered meto one
[14:01] <gonzo_> as it went up and was uncoiling, I realised I'd received it wiound up and never checked it was actually tied oon
[14:02] <mattbrejza> lol
[14:02] <gonzo_> it was, so all was well with the world
[14:02] <gonzo_> worked very well for a light payload
[14:04] <Vaizki> so for floaters without GPS on them, just a beeper.. it would be interesting to do this.. http://www.radarspotters.eu/forum/index.php?topic=7636.0
[14:04] <Vaizki> basically measuring time of arrival for signal at multiple locations
[14:04] <Vaizki> not sure if it would work but I guess that's the fun part?
[14:05] <craag> ToF ranging has been mentioned before
[14:06] <gonzo_> I know that one of our club members did some work a long time ago, using gps 1pps to sink on, listening for chirp sounder sweeps
[14:06] <gonzo_> they managed to pin down the local chirp to the rough 1/4 of the country
[14:06] <gonzo_> othe ones I think they manage to ident-ish the counbtry
[14:07] <gonzo_> probably better methods about, but still pretty course
[14:07] <Vaizki> well fr24 say they get 10-100m accuracy with 4 receivers.. which is pretty amazing
[14:07] <gonzo_> triangulating from a hilltop with a long yagi would be at least as good
[14:07] <craag> Vaizki: What receivers?
[14:08] <Vaizki> they are their own receivers that they give out to people who offer good sites
[14:09] <Vaizki> but basically it's a GPS time sync and then timestamped packets are uploaded to FR24 and they do the multilateration
[14:09] <craag> The difficult bit is reliably timestamping the packets
[14:09] <craag> Basically requires custom receiver hardware
[14:09] <Vaizki> you mean multipathing etc?
[14:09] <pc1pcl> yeah, they use GPS to sync time.
[14:09] <gonzo_> and identical hw
[14:09] <Vaizki> yes it can't be done with fldigi etc
[14:09] <craag> There was question of how well this could be done with the RX interrupt on the rfm98
[14:10] <mattbrejza> fldigi's sample rate is 8khz, so +- one sample gives an accuracy of 37km
[14:10] <Vaizki> gonzo_, that's true also.. it would really need to be identical hw or at least calibrated
[14:10] <craag> and audio buffer latency - urgghh
[14:10] <Vaizki> mattbrejza, well my fldigi runs at 48kHz :)
[14:11] <mattbrejza> 6km then ;)
[14:11] <gonzo_> delays in rx filters
[14:11] <mattbrejza> but you get the idea
[14:11] <daveake> So much scope for pulseaudio to add to the error
[14:11] <daveake> as if it didn't already
[14:11] <mattbrejza> unless you feed in the pps signal into the other audio channel
[14:11] <Vaizki> with airspy we could probably do it with a tweak to firmware
[14:12] <Vaizki> as it has a LPC4370 cortex m4 + dual m0 on board
[14:12] <mattbrejza> ill test the lora packet_rx line at some point
[14:12] <Vaizki> but yes as a generic sdr receiving thingy from fldigi it's not going to work
[14:14] <Vaizki> but thanks for the braindump, I have more to think about :)
[14:14] <Vaizki> just thinking it would be great to be able to launch very cheap floaters
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[14:14] <Vaizki> sputnik style ;)
[14:15] <craag> Vaizki: How could I check to see if one of these FR24 receivers at the websdr would be worthwhile?
[14:16] <Vaizki> sorry I didn't grasp the question?
[14:16] <pc1pcl> they have a link 'add coverage' on there website
[14:17] <pc1pcl> http://www.flightradar24.com/increase-coverage
[14:18] <craag> pc1pcl: Yeah I see that - but no use making effort if there's someone already doing it jsut down the road.
[14:18] <craag> Doesn't look there's an easy way to see that though
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[14:19] <pc1pcl> I think they don't mind getting several peopel near each other, as they need overlapping coverage for e.g. that MLAT thing they do.
[14:19] <craag> Ok, might fill in the form for free hardware later then :)
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[14:21] <pc1pcl> even if they don't accept you as a feeder, could be fun to run dump1090
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[14:21] <craag> Yeah - time though...
[14:22] <craag> Time to put the antenna up the mast really is the killer.
[14:22] <craag> Get the coax in the drop, etc.
[14:22] <mfa298> Pi on the tower with one of the mag antennas that comes with the dongle
[14:23] <craag> So would need to run power up...
[14:23] <mfa298> I could get a few planes like that from my flat with the antenna horizontal. in a good location it might do ok
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[14:24] <craag> I need to get a peli case up there with 12V power in and a wifi bridge down to the shed.
[14:24] <craag> Then can just plug stuff in when I feel like it :)
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[14:43] <pc1pcl> craag: similar to plane tracking via ADSB: ship tracking via AIS http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/p/apply-for-free-ais-receiver
[14:45] <mfa298> AIS is the one I'd like to play with more but there don't seem to be many bits of opensource code for it
[14:46] <infaddict> yep pc1pcl i use apps and sites for AIS traffic a lot to monitor shipping up the coast here
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[14:49] <pc1pcl> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-cheap-ais-ship-tracking/ (the colinear antenna construction bit might be of use for making your own HAB receiving antenna)
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[14:51] <craag> pc1pcl: I think the site might be a bit too far inland for AIS ;)
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[14:52] <mfa298> although if there was a ais decoder that would run on a Pi that could be added to a planned #ukhasnet gateway and be in a good location
[14:52] <pc1pcl> craag: perhaps shipping on a local river/channel ? not sure where the site is ;)
[14:54] <craag> Just West of London - nearest river is probably the Thames.
[14:54] <pc1pcl> mfa298: not sure about "gnuais"'s demands on the hardware
[14:54] <craag> *West of London.
[14:54] <craag> Not just
[14:55] <Laurenceb> is this years conference being planned yet?
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[14:57] <pc1pcl> 'just' probably only a matter of perspective ;) I see some ships on the Thames on the marinetraffic website, but just in London itself.
[14:58] <Bobsaget> ahh cool I didn't know about AIS thanks!
[14:58] <pc1pcl> could be that there is nothing to see, or that there are just no receivers further inland.
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[14:58] <mfa298> I think AIS is mostly on the larger boats so probably not so much inland
[14:59] <craag> We've gotta draw the line somewhere, AIS'll be it ;)
[15:00] <Bobsaget> wonder if they need a HKG station
[15:00] <fsphil> adsb receiver on the mountain here would be neat. though I can't guarantee it power over winter
[15:00] <craag> Given that it used to be an experimental air=>ground mast, ADS-B is kinda suitable though :)
[15:05] <infaddict> thx pc1pcl - interesting link
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[15:19] <infaddict> hey Vaizki, did your SDRplay arrive - wondered what your first impressions were?
[15:27] <infaddict> brb
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[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[20:13] <happil> Hello everybody. I was wondering if you'd be interested in funding my Kickstarter project to launch a near-space balloon accessible to the public. (And yes, if you read our Story, we are considering using radio telemetry!). For just £5 you can launch your own message, or for more, you can launch your own equipment such as an Arduino. Our campaign: http://kck.st/1M1TldL
[20:17] <mattbrejza> fyi you can do a launch with cameras for £350 or so, should this not work out
[20:18] <nickjohnson> happil: A gentle suggestion: use fewer fonts and sizes in your images.
[20:18] <nickjohnson> Or better yet, use text. :)
[20:19] <nickjohnson> But I like the look of the project. :)
[20:20] <daveake> Surprised nobody as mentioned the obvious
[20:20] <nickjohnson> I've backed it to the tune of £5 :)
[20:20] <daveake> clue: "your name in space"
[20:21] <craag> There's a confused mix of 'space' and 'near-space'
[20:21] <craag> maybe it's a longer payload line than usual :P
[20:21] <nickjohnson> happil: Also, the folks in here ought to be a valuable resource. :)
[20:22] <happil> Thank you
[20:22] <happil> I've already taken some advice
[20:22] <happil> I should be using telemetry now.
[20:23] <nickjohnson> I'm not a HAB-er, but most people in this channel are. I'd wager they will have a lot of concrete info on what you're trying to do
[20:23] <fsphil> please make sure the stuff you release is biodegradable
[20:23] <nickjohnson> I think your KS video is more polished than mine.
[20:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> happil, where else are you pushing the KS site there are several FB pages relating to HAB.
[20:28] <happil> Geoff, I've got a little facebook page
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[20:28] <happil> I've done some twitter, I got a retweet from some astronauts
[20:28] <happil> Emailed a load of people
[20:29] <happil> fsphil, The released messages will be on biodegradable paper
[20:30] <mattbrejza> happil: can you see if your school will give you money?
[20:30] <happil> I'm home-schooled :)
[20:30] <mattbrejza> oh right
[20:30] <happil> I'm doing this with family and a friend of mine
[20:30] <happil> I'm trying to get local businesses and other KS campaigns to sponsor us
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[20:31] <mattbrejza> yea local businesses sounds like a good idea
[20:31] <happil> I'm speaking to my local scout group which I used to go to
[20:31] <happil> I'm telling them for a sponsorship, every member can launch a message + it's a great day out, free viewing
[20:32] <happil> and they can launch their own object like something they made
[20:32] <happil> The problem is, ever since it's launched, I've literally seen 3 TV articles on weather ballooning
[20:32] <happil> esp. chris hillcox and his solar one
[20:32] <happil> He's nice though, I e-mailed him and he gave me some tips.
[20:33] <daveake> was one of the tips to use a radio tracker?
[20:33] <happil> No
[20:33] <happil> He wanted to lend me a SPOT
[20:33] <daveake> Funny that
[20:33] <happil> I got the radio tracker advice from here.
[20:33] <adamgreig> haha that does sound like chris
[20:34] <daveake> s'ok happil I knew what the answer would be :)
[20:34] <happil> He runs the balloon news site and he ran a small article for us
[20:34] <daveake> cool
[20:34] <happil> He seems to be on the news a lot? He was on the daily mirror, sky, bbc
[20:34] <daveake> with respect though, if you want to know about tracking, you need to ask here not Chris
[20:35] <happil> ik. I didn't ask him about that. You guys told me about telemetry and persuaded me it's the best, so I hope to use that.
[20:35] <daveake> cool
[20:35] <happil> 'Taking a look at the kind of money you are looking for it seems a lot for what it is. You know you can do it for much less. From my web store you can get Spot tracker £20 GSM locator £10 Flight computer £10 Parachute £10 All based on a 1 week hire 1200gm balloon £61 800gm £40 or there abouts I get gas at £100 Travel cost £60 So you could do it for £270 So you may find if you aim a little lower then you hit yo
[20:36] <Vaizki> eh
[20:36] <daveake> "flight computer" <> radio tracker
[20:36] <Vaizki> wheee's the fun in that?
[20:36] <daveake> GSM locator = zero use
[20:36] <daveake> SPOT = a bit more than zero use
[20:36] <daveake> Go radio, please
[20:37] <adamgreig> I reckon I'd take GSM over SPOT
[20:37] <adamgreig> but yea, build a radio tracker!
[20:37] <happil> I am. I will build my own, or if I find I'm out of my depth, I'd use a habduino.
[20:38] <daveake> also, and I don't know the answer to this question, anything you hire you need to know what happens if it's lost
[20:38] <daveake> i.e. who pays for replacement
[20:38] <daveake> Because £20 for a spot is very cheap given how often it won't come back
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[20:38] <happil> 'The deposit is also for the second hand value of the kit, not 'as new'. However this may be a good way to gift someone new cameras though you would need to do it in a way that seems fair to backers. Just consider it if you don't get to your target. I also hire out cameras as well.'
[20:39] <Vaizki> insurance may consider 'sending stuff to near space' as negligent handling :)
[20:39] <daveake> don't get me started on HAB insurance
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[20:42] <happil> Yeah lol
[20:42] <happil> Insurer: "So, how did you lose the cameras?"
[20:43] <happil> "I sent them up to 100,000 feet in a polystyrene box given lift by a near-space balloon"
[20:45] <adamgreig> "someone nicked them out my car, honest guv"
[20:47] <happil> "I only got a glimpse of the guy... 5"9, black hair, hoodie"
[20:47] <happil> "name rumpelstiltskin"
[20:47] <adamgreig> you've got the idea
[20:48] <happil> gtg. cheers guys.
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