highaltitude.log.20150329

[00:00] <edmoore> https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/581910397822861312
[00:00] <edmoore> yep
[00:00] <AdamDynamic> Thanks for the help, Geoff.
[00:00] <edmoore> i have 1.5hrs ahead of me
[00:00] <edmoore> happy company
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[00:10] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[00:10] <Laurenceb__> http://mic.com/articles/113740/a-team-of-biohackers-has-figured-out-how-to-inject-your-eyeballs-with-night-vision
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[00:33] <KF5WYX> Okay. This is the code which I 'borrowed' from a sample to setup PWM on pin 11. http://pastebin.com/qpLvw9JB <-- I need to switch it over to pin 3. Is there anyone that can tell me how to do this before I have to go track down the obscure register settings from the datasheet?
[00:34] <KF5WYX> FYI Arduino Uno ATMega328
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[00:45] <KF5WYX> okay, I'll go do some learnin' then <grin>
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[11:40] <AdamDynamic> I'm trying to get my SDR Sharp set up going, I had it working fine yesterday but when I've restarted my machine, SDR Sharp can't seem to see my dongle
[11:41] <AdamDynamic> I've tried reinstalling the driver with Zadig and the 'show all devices' option can't see the dongle either
[11:41] <AdamDynamic> Any other way to test whether the dongle is dead?
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[13:29] Nick change: me -> Guest69044
[13:29] <Guest69044> What is the Green and Blue circles mean on the map ?
[13:30] <pc1pcl> indications of range: the blue cirlce is where the balloon would just be on the horizon for an observer.
[13:30] <Guest69044> AH ok thanks
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 0 degree horizon and 5 degree horizon, you should start to be able to hear telemetry between the two.
[13:31] <Guest69044> Thought it was radio and visual range.
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[13:34] <Guest69044> Thanks both
[13:34] <fsphil> not much difference between visual an radio horizon at 434mhz
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[13:35] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
[13:35] <pc1pcl> basically if you can hear the balloon outside the blue circle, you have a very good set-up (probably high) and if you can't hear it inside the green circle, something is wrong with your setup ;)
[13:35] <Guest69044> Not really, satellites at around half watt can be heard hundreds of miles away
[13:36] <pc1pcl> butthose satellites are very high up, so the 'blue circle' would be huge.
[13:36] <Guest69044> True
[13:37] <Guest69044> I hear Funcube around 10 degrees above the horizon
[13:37] <fsphil> haze in the atmosphere would limit practical visual range
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[13:48] <AdamDynamic> Can anyone recommend a specific dongle to create an SDR tracker with?
[13:49] <AdamDynamic> The one I have (that worked fine yesterday) appears to have died
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Any that use the RTL2832 chipset should be usuable, the front end device varies currently R820T2 is the most common.
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have you moved it between USB slots if you have then you may need to re-install the drivers
[13:50] <AdamDynamic> I bought a 'NEWSKY TV28T RTL 2832U / R820T' that was linked on the HAB 'how-to' guide for SDR
[13:50] <AdamDynamic> I tried it for the first time yesterday and it worked
[13:50] <AdamDynamic> Today it doesn't
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> R820T is an older version R820T2 is better.
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I haven't heard of anyone blowing up a dongle yet so you would be the first.
[13:51] <pc1pcl> still, R820T should do 'something', of course it is possible it really died, but more likely there's some driver issue.
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> When you plug it in do you here the Windows boing to say its connected
[13:52] <AdamDynamic> I get the boing, then nothing happens
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> then it has been recongnised by Windows but no driver
[13:52] <AdamDynamic> When I run SDR Sharp and hit 'play' I get a message saying 'No compatible device found'
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yes the Driver interfaces the two things
[13:53] <pc1pcl> I gues you already trie dthe obvious steps of restarting windows, removing the drivers for th stick completely, and checking if it is visible in 'device manager' with one of those yellow 'issue' markers?
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Open the Device Manager under Computer managment it will probably appears as an unknown device
[13:54] <AdamDynamic> I've restarted a few times, reinstalled the driver using zadig
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[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> So zdiag sees the device then ?
[13:54] <AdamDynamic> I can see an 'unknown device' in device manager
[13:54] <AdamDynamic> Zadig sees it 'at first'
[13:55] <AdamDynamic> I reinstall, then get an error message saying 'cannot open rtl device is the device locked somewhere' when I open SDR Sharp
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you have installed it on the right interface 0 as I recall ?
[13:55] <AdamDynamic> Then a windows error message saying the driver wasn't instaled
[13:55] <AdamDynamic> Yes, interface 0
[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the dongle is working then you just haven't got the driver right I suspect.
[13:57] <pc1pcl> I use these things with linux so can't give too much specific windows hints. might help to try whatever the installation instrucitons are for a completely different USB port though.
[13:57] <AdamDynamic> I can see the 'unknown device' with a yellow warning sign in the Device Manager
[13:58] <AdamDynamic> I'd actually prefer to use linux... :)
[13:59] <pc1pcl> well you could try it in linux, usually a lot clearer if it is working or not there. instead of 'SDR#' you could try 'gqrx'.
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[14:00] <AdamDynamic> I went the Windows route simply because most of the online tutorials used Windows and I'm trying to feel my way through the dark on this one...
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[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Once the drivers installed I've never had a problem subsequently its just worked on Win7x64
[14:06] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[14:06] <AdamDynamic> Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot online about the issue
[14:07] <AdamDynamic> I'm going to restart my machine in linux and give GQRX a go
[14:07] <AdamDynamic> Thanks for the help :)
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[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> What OS are you using ?
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[14:41] <kett79> Is anybody there?
[14:42] <Upu> define there pls ?
[14:42] <kett79> I am new to HAB and based inthe UK. I am just trying to set up SDR tracking on my laptop. Is there anywhere I can find a list of the upcoming balloon flights in the UK?
[14:43] <Upu> well the UKHAS mailing list is a good start
[14:43] <Upu> type !flights
[14:43] <Upu> in here
[14:43] <kett79> !flights
[14:43] <SpacenearUS> 03kett79: Current flights: 03Pecan Femto rev 2 Test 10(7acc)
[14:44] <Upu> some don't get announced so just hang about in here generally
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[14:47] <kett79> I guess the first job is to get my transmitter built and test receiving that at ground level.
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> I would get the receiver setup and ready, then start on the payload, you need some practice at tracking as well!
[14:50] <Upu> btw I will have the lora boards on the shop soon
[14:50] <Upu> just sold all my lora modules so nothing to put them
[14:50] <Upu> on them
[14:50] <Upu> and HopeRF are being slow
[14:51] <kett79> Receiver is set up (I think!!) but there aren't any current payloads available for me to try tracking them. I will start looking at my payload and radio transmitter
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some ones being busy then!
[14:52] <kett79> Best solution for an off-the-shelf simple radio transmitter or am I better building my own?
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_63
[14:53] <kett79> Thanks
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[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> That will save Upu having to declare his association with the shop ;-)
[14:54] <Upu> What shop ? :)
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ding goes the bell
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[14:56] <mfa298> kett79: building your own is generally a good route to go as it means you understand how it all works. A basic tracker just needs some basic soldering and programming skills
[14:56] <mfa298> and there's lots of help available here when you get stuck
[14:56] <Upu> !wiki ntx2
[14:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03linkingarduinotontx2 (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03ntx2 (guides:radio_modules) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules:ntx2
[14:57] <kett79> Thanks. Will save them in my favourites for further reading.
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[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:38] <KF5WYX> morning / afternoon all
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[15:45] <DL7AD> hi KF5WYX Lunar_Lander
[15:45] Nick change: DL7AD -> AF5LI
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[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> hi AF5LI
[15:48] <infaddict> hi all
[15:49] <Laurenceb__> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.1533v1.pdf
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[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi
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[16:50] <dcbertelsen> Hello from the US midwest.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> hey
[16:55] <dcbertelsen> Is anyone out there participating in the Great Space Balloon Challenge? (http://www.balloonchallenge.org) this spring?
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[16:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup several teams on here I d believe, but proabably all eating at this time!
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[17:00] <dcbertelsen> The school I teach at wanted to participate last year, but we found out about a week beforehand. I'm hoping to launch 1-3 balloons and several payloads this year.
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[17:02] <dcbertelsen> In the past, we just tracked with aprs.fi and handheld equipment. What does it take to get an APRS object to show up on Habhub? I've seen at least one reference that it may be automatic if the icon is a balloon, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> One of the admins will normally add lnown balloons to the list for automatic updating from APRS, if you leave a request for an APRS flight to be added either in here or #habhub then it will normally get picked up.
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[17:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The IRC-Bot normally handles it http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot?s[]=irc&s[]=bot
[17:06] <dcbertelsen> Great to know KT5TK1. I had downloaded the habitat-aprs code and noticed that they send a list to the aprs servers.
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !aprs list-bal
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: KG7OKP-11, 7N2BVE, EA4CZ-11, EA2EEB-11, W0ISU-10, W0ISU-11, KK6RBX, GAS-4, K6RPT-12, K6RPT-11, K6RPT-10, KE7RQW-7, KM4DDY-11, DC4AT-2, K2JJI-11, ZS6ZSB-9, PU5PEP-11, W6SCE-15, K1623306, AETH31-1
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: AETH31-2, AETH31-9, SQ1FTK-11, DL2FX-11, M1SJE, PU2KVA-11, AETH30-1, AETH30-2, RS9SG, SV1NJX-11, KJ4TDM-1, KG7JUW-5, PD0ACZ-7, GAS-9, DO6ZM-11, KF5PGW-9, KF5PGW-8, KF5PGW-1, KF5PGW-3, KF5PGW-5
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: KF5PGW-4, KF5PGW-7, KF5PGW-6, DO6SOM-8, DL0TTM-1, PU3XGS-11, K7BYI-6, KD2EAT-11, STBUG2-1, VK2MRW, DC1MAK, DC2EH-12, DC2EH-13, DC2EH-11, DC2EH-16, DC2EH-14, DC2EH-15, EA7IHT-11, N2VQJ-11, DG1SUL-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: K0SCC-11, OE1FFS-11, F5KAV-11, BLNTME-1, EA2EEL-11, M0UPU-11, VK2BDX-2, JE6WWZ-11, SQ5AZK, AETH28-10, KM4DDY-12, KM4DDY-13, KG7IXX-11, HS7YVB, PY3JRT-11, W0WYX, KC2DIJ-1, BV2DQ-12, SQ9SMC-11, N2JAC-1
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: DN4GB-11, JG6YCS-11, DC2EH-2, DC2EH-6, DC2EH-7, KC3DWT, AB5SS-5, KG7HIZ-11, DH1BBO, EA2005-9, VA2RMG-10, SP9SKP-3, SP9SKP-2, SP6AN-11, HS1JAN-11, KJ4TOK-9, VE6TS-11, KD9AUK-11, K3713556, KG5FRM-10
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: W7QO-7, DO3OCM-11, dh2op-11, DL0MES, KF7RCV-11, KD4BFP-8, KE0BMD, ZS6POT-11, PY5LF-11, K3434326, KP4AW-11, JE6OTP-11, KD5GOM-11, DL3AKB-11, MI0VIM, DJ0FET-4, KF6RFX-2, KF6RFX-3, OE6PWE-8, K3SWE-1
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: K0843823, KA7NSR-13, KK6PUZ-1, VE3HHZ, SQ2MMS-11, PE1AGF-7, KG5FRM-3, KG5FRM-7, KG5FRM-8, KE0BMV-11, KF5YVS, SQ5IZJ-11, KD9AUK, DO2FKL-11, 9W2NSU-11, KK4VJY, CE3PCN, SQ5NWI-14, SQ6OMN-11, BV2DQ-9
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: J4634379, KI6GTA-7, VK2GG, M0RPI-11, KG5CA-11, WB8ELK-15, WB8ELK-11, IK8SUT-11, KE7IGH-10, N9UX-11, KE5GDB-4, 9W2WIY-11, KK4ETE-11, KD7ICN-11, HB9FDK-12, HB9FDK-11, K2813290, DH3SUP-11, KD4STH-12, CS7ACM-3
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: KD0SCM, SP5RZP-11, KD8SVI-11, KM4FSW-11, DG4SEX-11, DL1NBR-11, K2813562, BG8TFZ-9, K5GTO-11, SQ5NPS-11, HOTAIR, EA2002-7, EA2002-9, KC9LHW-11, EA4FUF-11, LZ1DEV-11, KD2FZW-11, KL2FY, KD8TDF-11, KC0UUO-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: W9GSP-11, JO73982, STBUG1-1, EA3IK-11, SQ1FTK-12, KD8TMY-11, M0XER-4, F4GBV-11, SQ6DST, KK6SDN-11, SP2KMH-11, KG7QLA-11, ABC123-1, DK0TUI-11, EA2EIH-11, KB0TVJ-10, AE0SS-12, AE0SS-13, EA2CZO-7, KE8AFA-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: SP9UOB-12, SP9UOB-11, KB8BKZ-8, PY4ZBZ-11, KC1BLZ-9, KG5FRM-2, KG5FRM-1, KG5FRM-6, KG5FRM-4, KG5FRM-9, HB9FDK-4, EA2CCC-7, KG7JUW-6, SP5MG-11, KF4OVF-2, AETH28-3, AETH28-2, AETH28-1, AETH28-4, KC1CVN-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: KC1CVN-10, KD9ADV-11, XE1TRY-11, EA2SW-11, AGGIE2, EA2003-3, PD0ACZ-11, ZL1KM-4, JI1IAZ, KC3DDW-11, KF5KMP-10, EA2EIH-7, KD0NMG-11, SQ9RHT-11, TEST77-1, OE5DRL-9, KD0GDM, AIRCOR-2, AIRCOR-1, SP6AN
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: HB9HLI-11, SQ5AM-11, W5LCY-7, VK3BKI-11, KK4QIN-11, 9W2JEK-5, K2814136, KF5KMP-9, PY2UEP-11, SP9MLI-11, SQ9RHT, NM5SS-10, NM5SS-11, KF7FER-11, SA7AXO, MYCALL-11, PY2PE-11, J3233836, KD0VHS, EG1CVS
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: 9W2BPA-9, PE2G-11, KD0ZTV-1, SQ6ODL, KG5FKB-11, J3233438, F4EMY-11, MINERV-11, W7ZUR-11, N4XWC-1, DC1SF-1, DL6JOS-11, KD8WUE-11, SQ6OXK-12, KD0HIP-7, ALNTME-1, DK9AK-11, KC9YMN, VE3YDN-9, KC8UCH-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: K1633162, KK6AIN-4, BV5AC-11, BALFR1-11, SQ3DHO-11, OM1ATS-11, VA2RMG-11, KM4EFW-11, DG9IS, W5ADC-7, KI6VBK-11, N7ERU-11, N7ERU-12, KE8AMI-11, LZ2WIN-11, CCR-11, F6IPO-11, SP6VWX-11, W4NWD, KF5POS-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: TEST-8, TEST-7, TEST-1, K4UAH-11, K4UAH-12, KC9ZMJ-11, NM5SS-6, WXJO73982, DC4AT-11, EA4JM-11, O2HERO-1, VE6TS-7, PU5WRF-11, SQ3MQD-11, F4EMY-12, DL1VV-2, EA4GNP-11, EA5HYC-11, DL4MDW-11, DL4MDW-12
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: VK5EI-11, SQ4AFR-11, WB8ELK-14, VE4SHS-15, BV5AB-11, OK1LPD-11, OK1LPD-12, KD0TRE-11, VK2HAB-9, KK6NVH-11, ATSAT-1, ATSAT-3, ATSAT-2, ATSAT-5, ATSAT-4, PU2VLW-11, VK3BKI, SA6CCS, J4633353, KC9QCD-10
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: W0ISU-9, KG7NMO-11, AETH32-3, KF5KUM, W5ADC-11, KC5SFU-5, 9A1CBV, KC9LIG-11, J4713537, BALLONS, YO4SJI, S59ABL-11, KF5KMP-8, KF5KMP-7, AE7DM, PU5PBT-11, SQ8DRQ-11, SQ8DRQ-5, VE3MW-11, SV1BYK-7
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: KD4STH-8, KD4STH-7, BX1AD-11, DK0PT-2, CS7ACM-11, W9UVI-11, HB9FDK-10, AG6OQ, VE2ESM-11, VE2ESM-10, DL7AD-11, EA2EEL-14, AETH32-4, AETH32-2, AETH32-1, JL2QGJ-7, DB1OFH-3, DB1OFH-2, W0ZC-11, W0ZC-12
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: SP9SCO-8, AB6UI-11, E29AJP-1, KF7WII-11, KT5TK-4, KE0BMD-1, PY2FG-11, KF5OUQ, M10, DD9ET-9, VE3LNU-P, K8RDM, AETH49-4, HG8PSL-11, KJ4ZVJ, CT2KAZ-11, N2JAC-11, W7RMD-3, W5NAC-11, WB8ELK-1
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: JG6AXB-B, KG7NJU, VE2WMG-11, HS7YVB-5, DJ5SO-5, N8VRN, DB1OFH-11, SP6VGB-11, WB8ELK-6, WB8ELK-5, WB8ELK-3, KG7QDJ, KC1DCX-11, VK6XT-11, KB1VGO-7, PU5PEP, W0ZC-13, OM3BC-11, VK3HRA-12, DJ9VF-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: SQ5AAG-11, J0723903, SQ5NWH, DL1MX-11, H27III-9, W9MOK-2, AETH31-8, VK3YT-12, VK3YT-11, VK3YT-10, K0843827, KC3DYS-11, VE4SHS-9, VE4SHS-5, VE4SHS-6, KD4KJG, J4713520, KF5ZBY, KK6KFC, X00X3-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: W7ZUR-2, SQ2DK-11, DB2EH-11, J0723876, PY5GY-11, WD9HFT-11, KB4RSM, SQ5KTM-11, DO2EIM-9, DO2EIM-1, DO2EIM-2, SP6IZU-11, PP1AR-11, KF5KMP-3, KF5KMP-6, KF5KMP-4, KC3EKD-1, LU7AA-11, ED1ZAR-11, M3VXJ-7
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: DD7ET-9, DH7JC-11, J4634376, KD9AUK-4, KD9AUK-5, KC9UKT-7, DO9HO-11, DM2HB-12, DM2HB-11, OZ1ZOR-11, VE4JPI, KK6BGR-11, KA5HND-1, KD0ZJF, DF0AIS-11, K9BYT-11, DC2EH-4, VA6BER-11, LZ1LCD-9, KD0PFM-11
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: VE3OPP, F8DDE-7, KC9PON-11, VK3YT-9, LZ1DEV, AF5LI-11, JA0GWB-8, AETH31-10, KC9YCR, PY5LUI-11, N3NB, KF7VHP-6, 9W2WIY-9, SQ6OXF-11, OZ5DZL, SP6VGB, J0723918, Zl2IC-2, KE0BVB-11, KE8AFA
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: 4x6ub-11, SQ6SFN-11, LZ1KNB-11, HB9HFJ-11, BV2DQ-11, KF6RFX-11, N6IGM-1, PY2GN-11, SQ6DST-11, EA3RDG-11, EA3RDG-12, EA2CZO-11, KK6QVY-1, 2E0EBR, VK2HAB-11, VK2HAB-12, VENUS1-3, VENUS1-2, VENUS1-1, VENUS1-5
[17:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Recent balloons: VENUS1-4, VE3REX-11, N2NXZ-8, N2NXZ-9, KK6IIA, KK6IIE, KD8CJT-12, KD8CJT-11, N7YET-9, KA7NSR-15, EA5DOM-11, SQ9RHX-11, DJ5SO-11, KC3EMR-11
[17:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Argh!!!!
[17:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that list is rather long these days!
[17:07] <Dread> :D
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> mind you that's all with the Balloon icon
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[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> dare I try
[17:08] <dcbertelsen> !aprs add callsign KD0TRE-11
[17:08] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: You need to be an admin to do that.
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !aprs
[17:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Tracking via APRS: 03DL4MDW-11, 03DN4GB-11, 03KF5PGW-8, 03KG5FKB-11, 03M0RPI-11, 03M0RPI-9, 03M0UPU-11, 03M0UPU-9 10(M0UPU-Chase), 03MI0VIM-11, 03SP9UOB-11
[17:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Thats better!
[17:09] <dcbertelsen> It's nice to see that my tracker at least shows on the long list.
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[17:11] <prog> hello, ballooners
[17:12] <dcbertelsen> Hello, prog.
[17:12] <dcbertelsen> !aprs telemetry KD0TRE-11
[17:12] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: 03KD0TRE-11 telemetry: none
[17:13] <dcbertelsen> !aprs info KD0TRE-11
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: 03KD0TRE-11 is near 03Sarpy County, NE, USA 10(41.1445,-96.232) at 03400 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/KD0TRE-11
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Path: 03KD0TRE-11>APBL10 via 03K0USA,WIDE2*,qAR,MONDAM
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Symbol: 03/O Speed: 030kmph Course: 030°
[17:13] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Comment: 03
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[17:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> prog, Sry I didn't get round to doing a write up, the Wife landed in hospital last week and haven't quite caught up with myself yet!
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[17:24] <prog> no worries. I hope things are good for you and your wife
[17:26] <Vaizki> my sdrplay is at athe post office, will be interesting to see how it works... it's for my son who likes to listen in on HF mostly
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[17:31] <prog> it would be interesting to compare HF vs airspy+converter+decimation
[17:33] <Vaizki> well there are two problems... I don't have an upcoverter and I'm not qualified at all to do such a comparison
[17:34] <Vaizki> but it's good they cut the price, the old price was unsustainable
[17:36] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE-M: what have you done
[17:37] <prog> the current price does match the actual performance
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[19:00] <TT7> hello everybody
[19:03] <TT7> is one wire as an antenna on a payload sufficient at HAB distances? I've done just a short distance testing so far without any trouble
[19:04] <TT7> as opposed to an antenna with a ground plane made out of 4 more wires
[19:05] <edmoore> not really
[19:08] <TT7> hm I'll do some more testing at longer distances and see.
[19:08] <edmoore> it probably won't work very well
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[19:08] <edmoore> i'd do the ground plane thing like normal unless you have a very specific reason not to
[19:09] <TT7> and regarding the ground plane, are 4 wires in 4 directions necessary?
[19:10] <TT7> could it be made just out of 2?
[19:11] <edmoore> it can be just two
[19:11] <edmoore> you might not get the most even radiation pattern but you should still get away with it
[19:12] <edmoore> (as the payload rotates it might be analogous (tho not nearly so pronounced) as a lighthouse, in terms of the beam strength hitting you)
[19:12] <edmoore> but 2 is still an ok arrangement
[19:15] <TT7> ok. I had to move my tracker into a different positions within the payload to keep it warm and it makes it a little problematic to put the antenna together.
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[19:18] <edmoore> they can be decoupled with coax
[19:18] <edmoore> you just run a coax extension from tracker to antenna
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[19:21] <TT7> I might have to do it that way so I don't pierce the payload with anymore holes.
[19:22] <edmoore> indeed
[19:23] <fsphil> protects the tracker too, the force of landing goes into the coax and not something fragile
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[19:26] <infaddict> newbie question guys, whats a "HH" transceiver?
[19:26] <fsphil> hand-held?
[19:27] <infaddict> aha! sry me being dumb. was listed next to "HF" so thought it was something related to that.
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[19:28] <fsphil> a hand-held HF transceiver would be unusual
[19:28] <infaddict> yep 2 different categories
[19:29] <infaddict> thx fsphil
[19:30] <edmoore> stands for hi hi
[19:30] <edmoore> it means it lets you communicated just in ham jargon
[19:30] <edmoore> there's no voice mode or anything
[19:30] <edmoore> just
[19:31] <edmoore> 'WX CLOUDY HI HI 73s DE P4GMQ Graham'
[19:31] <edmoore> that's all it can send
[19:31] <fsphil> qsl qsb qth
[19:31] <edmoore> but that allows 99% of the interaction you need
[19:31] <fsphil> 73s qso
[19:32] <edmoore> if someone wants anything else they're probably an M6 or some other form of confused
[19:32] <edmoore> so you cn ignore them
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[19:37] <infaddict> ok thx guys
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[19:40] <mikestir> I've heard a few hams using hi hi on fm voice, but then I've heard people in the pub saying lol
[19:41] <infaddict> lol
[19:42] <mfa298> hihi rofl ;)
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[19:44] <amell> hoho
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[19:53] <infaddict> what width nylon braid do most people use for balloon to chute to payload? I've seen both 1mm and 1.5mm e.g. http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Stuff.html
[19:54] <edmoore> either's fine
[19:54] <edmoore> unless you're flying 10kg shuttles
[19:54] <edmoore> (wtf...)
[19:54] <amell> or youre american and like flying car batteries
[19:54] <infaddict> hehe nope nothing that heavy ;-) might go for the 1.5mm as it comes in a long reel and more economical
[19:55] <amell> infaddict: seems logical
[19:56] <infaddict> great, wont order just yet as if i get from randomsolutions will get balloon and chute at same time
[19:56] <infaddict> gotta weigh payload before i can do that
[19:57] <edmoore> i do hope that chap does a few test flights before launching his shuttle
[19:58] <Vaizki> who is launcing 10kg air to ground missiles now?
[19:58] <edmoore> see mailing list
[19:58] <infaddict> is the owner of randomsolutions a HAB guy? The P&P seems very illogical. It goes up a lot per item added to basket. Trying to charge me over £15 for a balloon, a chute and some cord!
[19:59] <infaddict> i could ship 20kg overseas for that!
[19:59] <edmoore> yes
[19:59] <edmoore> rocketboy
[19:59] <Vaizki> edmoore: mailing list? there's a mailing list? :)
[19:59] <edmoore> Vaizki, yes
[19:59] <infaddict> google group
[19:59] <edmoore> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[20:00] <Vaizki> I was just going to ask is it th same as the ukhas group
[20:00] <Vaizki> ok that one I have under sporadic surveillance
[20:00] <infaddict> ive setup a daily summary mail
[20:00] <edmoore> i just get them all
[20:00] <Vaizki> like pokemons
[20:00] <infaddict> lol
[20:01] <Vaizki> oops sorry I have a 14yo teenager...
[20:01] <infaddict> anyway i'll shop around for my stuff. most sites the P&P comes down when you spend loads, not the opposite ;-)
[20:01] <Vaizki> been through a lot of stuff and sometimes it just pops out
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[20:05] <infaddict> just read that post about the 10kg shuttle. thats gonna hurt something when it lands!
[20:08] <Vaizki> yea me too.. fortunately his name sounds like it's not hitting me
[20:09] <Vaizki> I only have to watch out for the JAS Gripens here...
[20:09] <edmoore> it's a lot of responsibility if you're not flying over a range
[20:10] <Vaizki> like china lake...
[20:11] <infaddict> i cant understand what on earth must be in it to weigh 10kg!
[20:11] <Vaizki> I got buzzed by twin F-18s when driving by China Lake in a Mustang convertible with the top down..
[20:12] <Vaizki> nearly shat myself when they came up from behind very low and went afterburner on top of us
[20:12] <Vaizki> yankee cowboys
[20:12] <edmoore> Vaizki, there are ranges in swe
[20:12] <Vaizki> swe as in sweden?
[20:13] <edmoore> yes
[20:13] <infaddict> Vaizki is Finland I think
[20:13] <Vaizki> well we have ranges in finland as well but not for civilian use
[20:14] <Vaizki> and also most of them are either very small or not really for "random" landings
[20:14] <infaddict> Vaizki: thats happened to me several times up a mountain in the Lake District. Low fly pass through the valley and you dont hear the sound till theyve flown over!
[20:14] <Vaizki> as in people have summer cabins in the range areas etc
[20:14] <edmoore> sweden has esrange
[20:14] <edmoore> lots of heavy balloon drops there
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[20:14] <edmoore> up into the tonnes
[20:14] <Vaizki> up north?
[20:15] <edmoore> yep
[20:15] <edmoore> kiruna
[20:15] <Vaizki> yea.. well no such luck in Finland
[20:16] <edmoore> short drive
[20:16] <edmoore> might be expensive though to use esrange
[20:16] <Vaizki> short drive yea
[20:16] <Vaizki> 13 hours only :)
[20:19] <Vaizki> that said, I have a 9 hour drive (one way) ahead up that way to pick up my auction winnings if I can't sort out decent priced delivery here...
[20:22] <edmoore> fun
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[20:26] <Vaizki> well at least I have a friend who also picked up stuff to keep me company if it happens
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[21:05] <Vaizki> I ordered a 433MHz magmount antenna from ebay and it arrived all bent up.. :)
[21:05] <Vaizki> it had been just stuffed into an envelope
[21:05] <Vaizki> all curled up
[21:07] <Vaizki> well it cost me £3.30 so worth complaining about ;)
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[21:13] <dcbertelsen> !aprs
[21:13] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Tracking via APRS: 03DL4MDW-11, 03DN4GB-11, 03KF5PGW-8, 03KG5FKB-11, 03M0RPI-11, 03M0RPI-9, 03M0UPU-11, 03M0UPU-9 10(M0UPU-Chase), 03MI0VIM-11, 03SP9UOB-11
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[22:01] <dcbertelsen> !flights
[22:01] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Current flights: 03Pecan Femto rev 2 Test 10(7acc)
[22:03] <dcbertelsen> !aprs
[22:03] <SpacenearUS> 03dcbertelsen: Tracking via APRS: 03DL4MDW-11, 03DN4GB-11, 03KF5PGW-8, 03KG5FKB-11, 03M0RPI-11, 03M0RPI-9, 03M0UPU-11, 03M0UPU-9 10(M0UPU-Chase), 03MI0VIM-11, 03SP9UOB-11
[22:05] <Vaizki> !goodnight
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[22:09] <fsphil> Vaizki: was the magnet any good?
[22:09] <fsphil> last ebay magmount I got had a stupidly weak magnet
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[22:10] <Vaizki> yes it was stuck to my mailbox through the shipping pouch...
[22:10] <fsphil> hah
[22:10] <fsphil> not so bad then
[22:11] <Vaizki> it's not a big mag, 30mm.. but the antenna itself is just a quarterwave stiff wire so should be ok
[22:12] <Vaizki> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261752907376?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[22:12] <Vaizki> it was this one
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[22:16] <Vaizki> but, time to sleep...&
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[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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