highaltitude.log.20150321

[00:00] <daveake> You get the feeling with radio that they want you to talk, and with TV that they want you to shut up
[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[00:00] <amell> yeah i know what you mean
[00:01] <daveake> time is tight on live telly
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[00:01] <daveake> nn ll
[00:03] <amell> i might try for eclipse2017
[00:03] <fsphil> I'm not doing a floater
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[00:04] <daveake> define "floater" :p
[00:05] <daveake> One way or another, I'm going to the states for the 2017 eclipse
[00:05] <amell> if it doesnt disappear after two flushes, its a floater
[00:05] <daveake> Ah, Mrs Dave's territory
[00:06] <fsphil> yea I'll be over. gotta see an eclipse eventually
[00:06] <amell> ooh. daveake again at 50 mins
[00:07] <daveake> yeah there's no escaping me
[00:07] <daveake> anyway nn all I am slightly tired :/
[00:07] <fsphil> niiite
[00:12] <amell> egypt 2027 - just added it to my calendar lol
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[07:55] <g0hww> gm
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[09:08] <herman> !flights
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> 03herman: Current flights: 03Eagle Eclipse launch 10(9f67)
[09:08] <fsphil> :(
[09:09] <DL1SGP> :(
[09:09] <DL1SGP> Morning folks!
[09:09] <fsphil> next time
[09:10] <fl_0> moin
[09:11] <DL1SGP> Guten Morgen Florian
[09:14] <fl_0> :)
[09:14] <fl_0> any SSDV palyloads today? :-)
[09:15] <fl_0> DN4GB eclipse balloon got lost yesterday
[09:15] <fl_0> :-(
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[09:38] <fsphil> don't believe so fl_0
[09:40] <fsphil> what happened dn4gb?
[09:40] <fsphil> wasn't a great day for HABing yesterday. lots of issues
[09:43] <fl_0> jepp
[09:44] <fl_0> wie lost the APRS signal after abt. 1 jour
[09:44] <fl_0> not shure if and where it landet
[09:44] <fl_0> reached only 8.000m alt
[09:46] <daveake> fsphil how high did yours get?
[09:47] <fsphil> 841m
[09:47] <fl_0> we had one a few km away reaching 37.000m
[09:47] <fsphil> a person best (worst?)
[09:47] <fsphil> personal*
[09:47] <daveake> 841 has to be some kind of record :)
[09:47] <fl_0> =)
[09:47] <fl_0> -> http://www.strato-geeks.de
[09:47] <daveake> I've had one land higher than that :)
[09:48] <fl_0> apparently Herman
[09:48] <fl_0> german
[09:48] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAif9JYW8AAdoNV.png:large
[09:48] <daveake> Herman the German ??
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[09:50] <fl_0> ;-)
[09:51] <tweetBot> @daveake: Tim and @AnthonyStirk seem to think that this latex balloon is a condom ... http://t.co/A8wKh9jxq3 #UKHAS
[09:52] <fsphil> oh dear
[09:52] <DL1SGP> lol
[09:55] <tweetBot> @daveake: @AnthonyStirk discovers that a Totex balloon is a tight fit on his shaft #UKHAS http://t.co/qrfczkctE7
[09:55] <daveake> They won't get worse, honest :)
[09:55] <DL1SGP> haha daveake
[09:56] <DL1SGP> not before 10pm :)
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[09:58] <herman> daveake: tnx it is herman the dutch hihihi fun
[09:58] <tweetBot> @daveake: Launch team preparing for action #UKHAS http://t.co/m1Ldzn4kSz
[09:58] <DL1SGP> http://t.co/A8wKh9jxq3
[09:58] <DL1SGP> meh mouse accident needs more coffee
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[10:04] <daveake> I've found that coffee usually kills mice
[10:04] <tweetBot> @daveake: Chatting HAB with @Dr_Lucie as @PeterG_Weather watches the eclipse in Leicester. #UKHAS http://t.co/3vuueKPM9N
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[10:06] <daveake> needs more @famous_person :p
[10:08] <fsphil> everyone pronounced your surname correctly too
[10:09] <daveake> They all checked first, and they all got it right anyway
[10:09] <daveake> First time ever.
[10:10] <daveake> We practiced the evening slot several times, trying to cut the time down
[10:11] <daveake> at one point I said "Just call me Dave instead of David - that'll save a tenth of a second"
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[10:12] <fsphil> it did all seem very smooth
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[10:14] <daveake> Yeah, "live" means "practiced more than you'd believe"
[10:14] <tweetBot> @daveake: Explaining HAB to @helenlynn and her lovely son John. Get them while they're young :-) #UKHAS http://t.co/DaBlGqAOA6
[10:14] <daveake> It's like a launch - you get one shot
[10:15] <fsphil> sponsored by pepsi
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[10:17] <tweetBot> @daveake: BBC Stargazing HAB Team, before the panic set in #UKHAS http://t.co/siuoKrXWjl
[10:17] <daveake> Oh yeah had to hide any possible advertising from the cameras
[10:17] <fsphil> was good this year. though needed some Carolyn Porco
[10:17] <daveake> Right, enough spamming twitter and irc for now :)
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[10:17] <daveake> I've hardly seen any of it.
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[10:18] <daveake> I'll watch through the shows sometime soon
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[10:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning all
[10:28] <daveake> We're off to the Leicester Space Centre now. Back home in a few hours.
[10:28] <LazyLeopard> Have fun ;)
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Have a good time, liked the Leic. radio interview much better than the TV bits
[10:29] <daveake> ditto
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> TV seems to want to introduce then say goodbye, very frustrating
[10:30] <daveake> yeah, as I said last night, on tv they want you to shut up asap; on radio that want you to keep talking
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> So true, they seem scared of you actually explaining something
[10:31] <daveake> lol
[10:31] <daveake> afk
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> have fun!
[10:32] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, the whole thing was like that. jump here, jump there...
[10:32] <LazyLeopard> ...never actually quite explain anything fully.
[10:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yup so many factual shows are of that style now, really frustrating, it seems the producers want to show their skill not the content
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> And show only the shiny bits
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I tend to record everything these days, and then view them later and if its the "jumpy" style then delete it!
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> I really wish that I could actually find a whole year of tomorrows world from say 1988
[10:34] <SpeedEvil> So I could see if I'm just remembering stuff with rose-tinted goggles - as I diddn't know shit then.
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so true, an actual 5 minutes on a subject rather 30 seconds
[10:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> trouble is recordings are very rare!
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[10:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that is the other factor is it just that as wel get older we want more 2new" facts because we have heard the old ones before not sure!
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> I find it way too easy to dismiss things as 'basic' and 'obvious'
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> But then I watched most presentations of the Kepler science results conferences for leisure
[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> know what you mean, they just want a sound bite, and then on to the next one.
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[10:38] <SpeedEvil> http://kepler.nasa.gov/Science/ForScientists/keplerconference/2011sessions/
[10:38] <SpeedEvil> As a new science, it's surprisingly approachable.
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> As long as you have the basics of stellar structure down, and know what a fourier transform is
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks interesting I'll bookmark that and have a session with it later.
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> It's truly amazing how much you can pull out of a FFT of the brightness of a star about the internal structure
[10:40] <herman> !flights
[10:40] <SpacenearUS> 03herman: Current flights: 03Eagle Eclipse launch 10(9f67)
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[10:54] <tridor> Hello, I am currently looking into the radio tracker side of our HAB project. I've seen the radiosondes devices which appear to be very cheap and ready made. I'm thinking of testing one with SDR. Could this work?
[10:55] <Upu> you're now allowed to use those as they transmit on a licensed frequency
[10:55] <Upu> and I suspect you're not licensed
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[10:56] <tridor> I am not licensed so that easily rules that out, thanks upu
[10:57] <Upu> nps :)
[10:57] <Upu> which country are you in?
[10:57] <tridor> Can anyone recommend a 70cm radio tracker that does not require lots of soldering? Pi in sky?
[10:58] <tridor> uk
[10:58] <Upu> ok well you can't use APRS in the UK either
[10:58] <Upu> so you have three options
[10:58] <Upu> GSM trackers
[10:58] <mfa298> I'm sure Upu can recommend the PITS or Habduino
[10:58] <gonzo_nb> yuk
[10:58] <Upu> which are cheap
[10:58] <Upu> but have ~ 50% sucess rate possibly less
[10:59] <Upu> SPOT trackers which are expensive, generally work but don't tell you where you're balloon is until its generally back on the ground
[10:59] <Upu> also can fail if they land upside down
[10:59] <Upu> or radio
[10:59] <Upu> I would strongly recommend radio
[10:59] <Upu> especially in the UK as the tracking network is so good
[10:59] <Upu> !wiki ntx2
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03linkingarduinotontx2 (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03ntx2 (guides:radio_modules) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules:ntx2
[10:59] <Upu> have a read of the top article
[11:00] <Upu> see if you fancy doing it yourself
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[11:00] <Upu> I'm not going to recommend the Habduino or the Pi In The Sky as I'm biased as I make them :)
[11:00] <tridor> going to have a gsm/gps mobile phone for ground recovery and want the radio for telemetry and flight tracking
[11:00] <tridor> i'll take a look at all the links
[11:01] <Upu> radio will generally get you to the ground
[11:01] <Upu> we launched one yesterday and the last reciever got it 100 meters above the ground
[11:01] <Upu> so much for us going offline in the chase car in case someone nicked it :)
[11:01] <tridor> great, a quick chat really helps, thanks
[11:02] <mfa298> if you want to do some work yourself arduino + ntx2b + gps breakout from hab supplies is probably the best route with lots of guides and help available
[11:02] <tridor> trying to strike a balance between getting in working & not getting divorced :-)
[11:03] <Upu> haha
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[11:04] <mfa298> habduino is basicly the same but the soldering is done for you. Going the Pi route gives the advantage of taking pictures with the same system but can have other issues.
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[11:05] <mfa298> but there's something quite special when you've soldered the bits together, written some code and it starts to work.
[11:05] <edmoore> it's an order of mag more satisfying
[11:06] <edmoore> you've created life
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[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Always wondered what it was crawlng aroud the shack here, but not as we know it ;-)
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[12:17] <number10> daveake: Upu , just a short piece on midlands news from 23:10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b054wzsj/east-midlands-today-20032015
[12:18] <number10> distant shot of launch and brief bit by 4X4
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[12:37] <tridor> is there much price difference in building your own tracker vs buying a kit to go with PI/Arduino?
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[12:41] <gonzo_> anyone know how to get a direct url to a batc archive video?
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Difficult to say, quicker to buy, but you won't learn as much, price difference is difficult to judge.
[12:44] <edmoore> price is about the same
[12:44] <edmoore> here's no measurable penalty to building your own
[12:44] <edmoore> *unless* you have to go from zero electronics knowledge to a flying payload in 7 days
[12:44] <edmoore> otherwise I'd hearily and thoroughly recommend DIY, as would i think the great majority of people here
[12:45] <edmoore> as this hobby is a really fabulous way into learning a bit of electronics and programming
[12:46] <edmoore> the sort of bought flight computer use-case is a primary school teacher who wants to do a fun science experiment with their class but with the best will in the world doesn't really have time between now and week 6 to learn electronics and build and test a light computer from scratch in time for when the project is scheduled
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[13:20] <tridor> thanks for advice
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[14:23] <jededu> Has anybody uesd n spv1040 for solar?
[14:23] <Upu> yes
[14:25] <jededu> Ahh upu I just cannot get it to give a descent output do you have a layout that I can compare
[14:25] <jededu> I have 5v at the panel and .3 at the batt
[14:26] <Upu> sec
[14:28] <jededu> Ok :)
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[14:40] <edmoore> anyone on here know of some secret place that sells peli cases in the UK for non-stupid prices?
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[14:43] <foo___> Hallo everybody
[14:44] <foo___> i have just received my RPi in the Sky Kit
[14:44] <foo___> and I have a few questionsö
[14:45] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Ukraine Today report on Polish radio amateur Tomasz Brol SP9UOB #SolarEclipse balloon http://t.co/ZKZvjhC4D7 #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas
[14:46] <foo___> how many power source do I need? 1 for the RPi and one for the telemetry board?
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[15:28] <Babs____> Hey all - what is iccp in this context, and do I need to worry about supplying 65 mA to the ublox as a result, or just 45 plus a margin of error? http://flic.kr/p/rHScpT
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[15:35] <SA6BSS-Mike> jededu: if you launch tomorrow predictions put it in my direction, I´l be home and tracking if it does
[15:37] <jededu> It may stay local with a bit of luck
[15:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> it looks like it will bumerang around
[15:41] <SA6BSS-Mike> might launch a floater tonight, at about 19utc
[15:42] <SA6BSS-Mike> Il se if IU get the time to get it ready
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[15:56] <jededu> Cool go for it :)
[15:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, the prediction is cool , http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/115232_trj001.gif
[15:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> prediction is 60h
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[16:12] <jededu> SA6BSS-Mike On an AA
[16:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes,
[16:12] <jededu> Do you have a pic ?
[16:12] <jededu> Not a PIC an image
[16:13] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, got that, had to think twice, one sec
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[16:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/front.jpg
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[16:15] <jededu> Nice is it going op on a foil?
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[16:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> it was ment to run on 1.8 volt but is unstabel, this one is up on 3,3v , I have solded and desolder this board multiple times so its a mess but it sholuld run for about 60h
[16:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes 36" qualatex
[16:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> or at least 45
[16:16] <SA6BSS-Mike> hours
[16:17] <SA6BSS-Mike> its verry heavy compaerd to my new board.
[16:17] <jededu> Thats a bit like my solar board ive been messing with it all morning just to find out the spv1040 enable was disconnected
[16:18] <jededu> what does the new one weigh
[16:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/IMG_2057_rsz.jpg
[16:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> its 6grams lighter the this board
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[16:20] <jededu> Not bad im down to 4.8g at the moment
[16:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> nice :)
[16:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> is the one you might send upo
[16:22] <SA6BSS-Mike> up tomorrow solar?
[16:23] <jededu> It might be but its not APRS not much point wil i will test it if its ready
[16:24] <jededu> I have the APRS all sorted but no licence :/
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[16:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> ahh, ok
[16:24] <SA6BSS-Mike> you working on the license?
[16:25] <jededu> Yes as quick as possible
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[16:25] <jededu> just waiting for the foundation exam then straight into intermediate
[16:25] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe, yeah its a lot to take in, but you have the hard part(electronics) already sorted
[16:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> do you have a date for exam?
[16:27] <jededu> I did the course then missed the exam 2 weeks ago the guy at the club is going to let me know of a place when he finds one
[16:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok, hope you get it next time then!
[16:30] <jededu> There will be an opening somewhere i dont mind traveling intermediate starts end of this month :/
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[16:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> you cant launch aprs on foundation ?
[16:36] <jededu> No I am sure I need a full licence
[16:36] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
[16:37] <jededu> Im sure somone else can clairify it :)
[16:38] <fsphil> Babs____: I think that's just worst case current
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[16:44] <LazyLeopard> jededu: What country are you in?
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[16:48] <SA6BSS-Mike> he´s in the uk
[16:49] <jededu> Correct UK
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[16:55] <LazyLeopard> Ok. So the APRS comment is for outside UK, I guess (as airborne APRS isn't allowed in UK), and you need a full licence to operate outside the UK...
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[16:58] <jededu> Thats how i understand it
[17:00] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, that figures.
[17:00] <LazyLeopard> Well, it's probably a bit more complicated, but....
[17:03] <M6XiMaN> jededu: You only need the intermediate licence in order to legally build/use your own transmitter
[17:04] <M6XiMaN> But if you tx output is low enough to be exempt, then potentially you don't need a licence at all? I believe it's dependent on the regulations of whatever countries fly over.
[17:06] <SA6BSS-Mike> if you using aprs on 144.8 you must allways have a license
[17:06] <M6XiMaN> SA6BSS-Mike: Aha, I see. So a minimum of UK Intermediate then
[17:07] <M6XiMaN> So it's just a case of if there is a country that requires you to have a Full licence to transmit APRS
[17:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> you can send aprs on ism 434 without license
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[17:09] <jededu> I diddnt think an intermediate could operate abroard
[17:11] <LazyLeopard> In the UK the flying payloads are based on licence-exempt transmitters, so you could build and fly one without even a Foundation licence. Licences become an issue when you start flying across borders...
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[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:08] <Babs_> Hey fsphil - lost connection for a while there. so in general supplying 50mA should be ok on that basis?
[18:09] <Babs_> For my mini tracker i can get up to 120 from my step up circuit off an AAA, MTX2 looks to be 20mA, if ublox is then 50 max there should be plenty of current left for the atmega
[18:10] <fsphil> that sounds fair
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[18:12] <Babs_> i've been looking at the current draw on the atmega - its tiny compared to the ublox / mtx2
[18:13] <Babs_> although i guess unsurprising given its not transmitting/receiving
[18:13] <Babs_> haven't logged on since yesterday morning. how did you get on with your launch?
[18:13] <fsphil> yea atmega's are tiny power consumers, and can even be reduced further but no point really
[18:13] <fsphil> launch was fine, it all went badly after that :)
[18:14] <fsphil> rain brought it down again a few km away
[18:15] <Babs_> all in all it was totally weather ruined eclipse
[18:15] <fsphil> yea I didn't manage to see the eclipse either
[18:15] <fsphil> so that's three eclipses, two partial and one total, that I've failed to see :)
[18:16] <fsphil> for 2017 I'm hiring an aircraft!
[18:16] <Babs_> i had to settle for using starwalk on my phone and using that to work out where it was actually happening :-(
[18:16] <fsphil> there was a nice clear blue patch a few degrees away from the sun from my point of view
[18:16] <fsphil> got nice and dark
[18:21] <Babs_> are you going over to the US for the 2017 one?
[18:22] <fsphil> hope so
[18:22] <fsphil> no plan yet
[18:22] <Babs_> we totally need to have a jamboree over there
[18:22] <fsphil> yes!
[18:22] <daveake> UKHAS invasion
[18:22] <Babs_> i need arko to manufacture some explosive release charges, don't think BA will like them
[18:22] <daveake> a team in each state along the totality :)
[18:23] <Babs_> oh man that would be great
[18:23] <fsphil> wonder where the best chance is to get away from the cloud
[18:23] <daveake> No idea
[18:23] <Babs_> >15km in altitude
[18:23] <daveake> hah
[18:23] <fsphil> I know a guy at google...
[18:23] <daveake> All going for a USA licence too?
[18:24] <fsphil> hoping to get that in may
[18:24] <Babs_> do we need a licence to launch?
[18:24] <Babs_> i just thought we could do anything over there as long as the payload was under 4 tonnes or something
[18:24] <fsphil> would be nice to have aprs
[18:24] <fsphil> they don't have 434mhz ISM band their either
[18:25] <Babs_> is there a HAM network over there or not really?
[18:26] <fsphil> there is pretty good aprs coverage
[18:26] <Babs_> as there are tonnes of us we should just club together to get the cloud seeded with silver iodide
[18:27] <Babs_> i am pretty cr@p on all that stuff - can we use our trackers but just transmit on a different frequency, or is it a whole different kettle of fish in terms of building a tracker?
[18:28] <fsphil> with a ham license we could still use 434
[18:28] <fsphil> there are ism bands though
[18:28] <fsphil> 902-928mhz
[18:28] <Babs_> does arko have a HAM license?
[18:28] <fsphil> (which I think we're getting here too shortly)
[18:29] <fsphil> yea he does
[18:29] <Babs_> bagsy arko
[18:29] <fsphil> I'm hoping to have one too
[18:29] <Babs_> i bought him a pint in LA so he totally owes me one
[18:29] <daveake> we could borrow him :)
[18:29] <fsphil> lol
[18:29] <daveake> lol
[18:29] <Babs_> daveake, we need your receivingmobile over there
[18:30] <daveake> rent an rv and kit it out
[18:30] <Babs_> it was v impressive on stargazing live
[18:30] <fsphil> was
[18:30] <Babs_> 12 million viewers apparently
[18:30] <fsphil> I didn't spot buzz
[18:30] <daveake> nothing left in it at that point :)
[18:30] <Babs_> hah. breaking bad for HAB
[18:30] <daveake> 12 over the series
[18:30] <daveake> 3.8 on the show I think
[18:30] <mattbrejza> astra is one step ahead on the hab rv frot
[18:30] <daveake> I wasn't thinking of numbers at all :)
[18:31] <Babs_> so anyway, do we (read I) just need a different transmitter, or is it a whole load more complex that that?
[18:31] <daveake> You can use ISM (915 ??) or go APRS
[18:32] <Babs_> but is that just a different transmitter and string type etc?
[18:33] <Babs_> i made one of these before i met you guys and found it was illegal in the UK https://code.google.com/p/trackuino/
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[18:33] <Babs_> there would be some irony if i learnt all of this stuff only to use the thing i made in the first place
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[18:34] <fsphil> there is an MTX2 module for the 900mhz band
[18:34] <fsphil> so you could do the same sort of tracker as normal
[18:35] <Babs_> cool
[18:35] <daveake> You may need a different receiver ofc
[18:35] <daveake> SDR or a scanner fine; 817 not
[18:35] <fsphil> yes. fcd or rtlsdr are fine
[18:35] <fsphil> new antenna too
[18:36] <Babs_> we need a distributed network of CB truckers
[18:36] <daveake> These are all minor points
[18:37] <daveake> Major point is .....
[18:37] <daveake> .... how the hell do we import proper bacon?
[18:37] <fsphil> lol
[18:37] <fsphil> it's a big country. someone there MUST know how to make proper bacon
[18:37] <Babs_> arf
[18:38] <Babs_> we need to educate them that cheese need not necessarily be delivered via a squeezy bottle
[18:38] <daveake> never seen any
[18:38] <daveake> but yes there'll be somewhere
[18:38] <daveake> this may limit our launch location options :/
[18:39] <mattbrejza> thing being is we had years to prepare for this eclipse and we all seemed to bodge something together at the last moment
[18:39] <mattbrejza> need to make sure it wont quite happen the same next time
[18:40] <daveake> yup
[18:41] <fsphil> ideally we'd be testing next summer
[18:41] <mattbrejza> the sun cropping script was written on tuesday
[18:41] <mattbrejza> only had one sunny day to test it
[18:41] <fsphil> it worked well
[18:41] <fsphil> just the spin that failed it
[18:42] <daveake> same sort of stuff here
[18:42] <mattbrejza> it required very little spin thouhg
[18:42] <mattbrejza> its only 32 pixels across
[18:42] <daveake> I thought I'd have a couple of extra days, but this metro launch got put forward
[18:42] <daveake> wasted 3 days
[18:42] <mattbrejza> that sort of spin wouldnt be noticable in most other pictures
[18:43] <mattbrejza> perhaps a slightly more transmissive filter and so quicker shutter though, but hey, worked suprisingly well
[18:45] <fsphil> the picam has a 90fps mode
[18:45] <fsphil> that might help
[18:46] <mattbrejza> well you wouldnt get full resolution?
[18:46] <mattbrejza> and perhaps noisy?
[18:46] <fsphil> yea it would be noisy. I think the frame can be cropped, but dunno if that works at 90fps
[18:47] <fsphil> don't think we can avoid having some kind of mechanical tracker
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[18:56] <Babs_> mattbrejza - as in spin of the payload?
[18:56] <mattbrejza> yea
[18:56] <Babs_> did you ever get anywhere with doing the gyro thing like mine? weren't you looking at it at one point?
[18:57] <mattbrejza> yea there are some people working on that
[18:57] <mattbrejza> currently 3d printing some bits
[18:57] <mattbrejza> designing the controller pcb
[18:57] <Babs_> i think the best way is to make it mechanically passively stable, and only then do the electronics spinning stuff
[18:58] <Babs_> so low friction pivot, then big weights away from the pivot point
[18:58] <Babs_> i can't work out whether to bin my reaction wheels and unashamedly nick daveake and upu's method
[18:58] <Babs_> controlling with a servo and just running a motor constantly at the same rate, there is far less to go wrong
[18:58] <mattbrejza> hmm ok
[18:59] <mattbrejza> i think theyre going for something like your first design but making it actively stabilise
[19:00] <fsphil> I'm gonna use a mirror
[19:00] <daveake> s/they/Upu/
[19:00] <fsphil> just move the mirror to aim
[19:00] <daveake> I've not helped
[19:00] <mattbrejza> how stable does it actually need to be for an eclipse? (this is the aim?)
[19:00] <Babs_> take the credit daveake, unless it doesn't work, then it was all upu's idea
[19:01] <daveake> I was getting in first with the latter :)
[19:01] <Babs_> an alexmos type of stability would do it i think
[19:01] <Babs_> thats what i am using
[19:02] <fsphil> watching thursdays back to earth, love how buzz keeps talking over dara
[19:02] <Babs_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6MMVjfapA
[19:02] <Babs_> is uust an alexmos board, if it is indeed genuine
[19:02] <Babs_> was it just me, or was buzz a little bit mental?
[19:03] <Babs_> also did you notice they didnt serve the usual booze on the second program each night?
[19:03] <fsphil> the side on the right got booze
[19:04] <daveake> Yep
[19:04] <fsphil> buzz got coffee
[19:04] <daveake> lol
[19:04] <daveake> When you've been to the moon, and are an international hero, what's left?
[19:04] <daveake> Got to be heck of a come down
[19:04] <daveake> Like me now the BBC thing is over
[19:04] <daveake> lol
[19:05] <mattbrejza> so many times on tv, but first live tv?
[19:07] <fsphil> hah
[19:07] <tweetBot> @daveake: Launch of #bbcstargazing weather balloon, viewed from the payload https://t.co/CQjnmVBzcn #ukhas
[19:07] <daveake> yes 1st time live
[19:08] <Upu> live with 98 rehersals
[19:08] <daveake> yup
[19:09] <mattbrejza> how many times did they tell you not to swear?
[19:09] <daveake> none
[19:09] <daveake> amazingly
[19:09] <daveake> unlike that first bbc thing
[19:09] <Upu> I was doing the swearing
[19:09] <daveake> :)
[19:09] <Upu> like where f?ck is Dave ?
[19:09] <Upu> oh doing another rehersal
[19:09] <daveake> hah
[19:09] <daveake> yeah it's mad
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[19:10] <daveake> Next time, someone does the telly and has nothing to do with the launch
[19:10] <daveake> if there is a next time
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[19:31] <mattbrejza> did anyone see images taken by the polish eclipse hab?
[19:36] <daveake> saw that on fb earlier
[19:37] <daveake> unless that had a filter over the sun but not over the ground/clouds, I don't see how that happened
[19:37] <mattbrejza> link?
[19:37] <daveake> The clouds were brighter than the sun
[19:37] <daveake> 1 sec
[19:37] <edmoore> linky?
[19:37] <daveake> http://uatoday.tv/society/polish-enthusiast-puts-camera-on-balloon-to-capture-eclipse-up-close-416760.html
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[19:39] <SA6BSS-Mike> M2 is up, looks like its underfild :/ 434.525 7n2 100 425
[19:39] <edmoore> can;t see any pics
[19:39] <edmoore> just a blank box
[19:39] <daveake> pic I saw on FB was this http://imgur.com/3Se8eZL
[19:39] <daveake> Didn't watch the video
[19:40] <mattbrejza> is that him holding a print out?
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[19:42] <cambazz> hello, is there a video of a baloon flight from beginning to end? in hd would be better
[19:42] <edmoore> probably filed under the same category as watching paint dry
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[19:45] <edmoore> um but have a look on the youtubes or vimeo
[19:46] <edmoore> in general though all three hours of it is so dull and the tiny video cameras rarely catch the whole thing
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[19:49] <daveake> yeah not very interesting
[19:49] <daveake> I have plenty of them for the full flight
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[19:49] <daveake> but not about to upload them
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[19:49] <fsphil> aah Bill is flying
[19:50] <daveake> 168GB of video from that last flight
[19:50] <fsphil> haven't heard from him in a while
[19:50] <daveake> no
[19:50] <fsphil> wonder if he's doing anything for 2017
[19:50] <daveake> I would think so
[19:50] <mattbrejza> how big is your hab video filestore now daveake ?
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> 168 GB
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> massive
[19:50] <daveake> erm no
[19:51] <fsphil> M2 is starting to look like Eagle
[19:51] <daveake> Well it's < 2TB
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> true
[19:52] <daveake> I've not used video cams very often
[19:52] <daveake> So I'm a bit below 1TB video/stills atm
[19:53] <mattbrejza> they are only really worth it for laucnh/burst/landing
[19:53] <daveake> yep
[19:54] <daveake> My favourites are the stills of one of the bursts
[19:56] <edmoore> yeah
[19:56] <fsphil> yes was my fav bit of the bbc flight I did
[19:56] <edmoore> would be fun to fly a high speed camera on a burst
[19:58] <daveake> We did 60fps on Friday
[19:58] <daveake> but the burst wasn't as good
[19:58] <daveake> er 50
[19:59] <edmoore> david taylor really is jolly serious
[19:59] <edmoore> i like him
[20:00] <daveake> :)
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> slow-mos of the bursts are awesome
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> did your balloon get a good view of the eclipse dave?
[20:14] <Babs_> ermmm. so i am in eagle doing a board outline
[20:15] <Babs_> dimension layer, polygon, set width to zero
[20:15] <Babs_> but it is only giving me a fllled polygon option. i can't seem to select the cutout option
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[20:20] <Babs_> http://imgur.com/pCkg99Z
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[20:22] <edmoore> you can't
[20:22] <edmoore> dimension layer gotta just be lines/arcs/whatever
[20:23] <edmoore> sucks balls
[20:23] <edmoore> in layout as in life
[20:23] <Babs_> i'm sure i did it before, but maybe i was knackered
[20:23] <Babs_> looking to make a non-square outline basically
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> eagle doesn't support arbitraty shapes if I get that correctly?
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> *arbitrary
[20:30] <Babs_> the strange thing is that i did one the other day
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> http://www.inertord.com/images/projoinfo/155adam.jpg
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> the c bomb
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> c for cheese
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[21:02] <Laurenceb_> attn edmoore: http://history.nasa.gov/SP-440/ch6-15.htm
[21:08] <tweetBot> @daveake: High altitude balloon burst from the #bbcstargazing flight #ukhas https://t.co/cZIk7EL1HY
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[21:21] <fsphil> very nice
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[21:22] <daveake> dunno why the tv crew couldn't do that
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[21:24] <edmoore> fascinating Laurenceb
[21:25] <Laurenceb_> yeah i didnt realise 67km/s could be reached with shock tubes
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[21:25] <Laurenceb_> obviously hit by a shock tube
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[21:46] <Laurenceb_> anyone here from/know anyone from Bristol SEDS?
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[21:47] <Laurenceb_> i heard they were working on a rockoon...
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> maybe...
[21:47] <edmoore> who?
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bristol-seds.co.uk/rockoon/2012/01/01/bristol-rockoon.html
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> 1.8Kg O_o
[21:48] <Laurenceb_> good luck doing FAA/CAA risk assessment for that
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> thanks dave for the video :)
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[22:39] <Reb-SM0ULC> !hysplit add M2
[22:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: You need to be an admin to do that.
[22:40] <Reb-SM0ULC> meh
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[22:40] <tridor> Here's a funny thing..........
[22:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> yes?
[22:41] <tridor> what would you say if a group of people
[22:41] <tridor> wanted to launch a balloon from the small slip of land that is west cornwall
[22:41] <tridor> any chance we'll ever get it back?
[22:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> "fast" up - down flight?
[22:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Quite a few of the Camobourne weather Sondes do land in the UK
[22:43] <tridor> i guess we'd need to go up as fast as possible
[22:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/Sondes/index.php?ind=2
[22:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> but not all ;-)
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[22:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial M2
[22:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03M2 10(489d): none
[22:47] <tridor> so possible but high risk of loss
[22:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> You choose the right flight predictions!
[22:47] <SA6BSS> 434.535 @ 800
[22:48] <SA6BSS> *434.523
[22:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that M2 ?
[22:48] <SA6BSS> japp
[22:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK will leave the rig on for tracking then
[22:48] <SA6BSS> hopefully it goes over uk and turns back home :)
[22:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> so centre freq 434.523.800
[22:50] <SA6BSS> I´l check, I´m on sdr now, Il switch over to the kenwood...
[22:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
[22:51] <SA6BSS> 434.523 @1500
[22:51] <SA6BSS> its a rfm22 so its drift with temp
[22:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> so centre @ 434.524.500 OK will leave it there
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[22:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll leave it on tracking so provided noise doesn't make it drift off too much it might follow it!
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