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[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
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[01:59] <gb73d> #eclipse2015 CLOUDY OR NOT LISTEN TO A MEDIUMWAVE RADIO U SHUD HEAR TEMP. NIGHT TIME CONDITIONS I AM REC 990KHZ FOR 3 HRS 0800-1100 AS EXPT.
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[02:27] <domojn> hello
[02:27] <gb73d> gm
[02:31] <domojn> Don't know I fi should sleep of stay awake for 7 hours
[02:32] <domojn> *or
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[03:14] <gb73d> i got up 0040 ut goin back to bed then up 0730 for eclipse uk here
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[03:42] <domojn> I've been getting ym camera equipment ready
[03:42] <domojn> I doubt I'll wake up in 6 hours time
[03:43] <gb73d> big binos to project here
[03:48] <gb73d> put the alarm on
[03:49] <domojn> I usually ignore them
[03:57] <mightymik> test
[03:58] <domojn> 123
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[04:17] <arko> whoever put the eclipse on the tracker.. brilliant
[04:19] <lz1dev> no problem
[04:21] <arko> ugg
[04:21] <arko> im so sleepy
[04:21] <domojn> Now that is pretty cool
[04:21] <arko> cant wait to see the habs though
[04:21] <arko> hope i can stay up
[04:21] <arko> when's launch?
[04:21] <domojn> Alot of balloons today
[04:22] <arko> well, the stargazing one
[04:24] <domojn> Been waiting for this day for nearly a month
[04:24] <arko> launching?
[04:24] <domojn> yet only until 2 hours ago, I hadn't done a shred of prep, lol
[04:24] <domojn> eclipse
[04:24] <arko> ah
[04:24] <arko> yeah, should be cool
[04:25] <arko> well, i'll have to watch i from the other side of earth :P
[04:25] <arko> but exciting to see on bbc
[04:25] <domojn> I'm not involved in any HAB's. was gonna start trying to see if I could oick them up, however
[04:27] <domojn> Do they use USB or LSB?
[04:27] <arko> usb usually
[04:27] <arko> if i recall correctly
[04:28] Action: arko hasn't slept more than 2-3hours in the last 2 days
[04:28] <arko> zzz
[04:32] <domojn> lol
[04:32] <domojn> I usually stay awake all night and all day
[04:36] <domojn> What mode are they usually in, arko?
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[05:25] <Vaizki> domojn: http://ukhas.org.uk/news:balloon_launches
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[05:51] <domojn> Full Solar Eclipse in the Faroe Islands right now!
[05:53] Nick change: fl_0|afk -> fl_0
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[05:54] <es5nhc> not really
[05:55] <es5nhc> Although Sun is quite eclipsed here in Estonia right now.. by clouds
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[06:05] <Vaizki> same here across the gulf
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[06:13] <mfa298> domojn: generally radio set to usb, then use dl-fldigi and use the dropdown list to get the config for a particular baloon
[06:14] <domojn> cheers
[06:14] <mfa298> the dl-fldigi mode wants to be usb or rttyr
[06:16] <mfa298> for the 300 baud transmissions you'll want to go into the dl-fldigi rtty settings and increase the receive filter bandwidth. The rule of thumb is set it to about the same as the baud rate
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[06:18] <Upu_M0UPU> morning
[06:19] <Upu_M0UPU> we have a 4G mast 100 meters from us yay
[06:21] <lz1dev> what kind of speeds you get?
[06:21] <lz1dev> assuming you have an LTE device
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[06:23] Action: es5nhc digesting latest NOAA 15 image
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[06:25] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: Early start note 4G tower you #ukhas http://t.co/o701kJBhJV
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[06:32] <Vaizki> sdrplay slashed their price in half :O
[06:33] <Vaizki> £99 for uk
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[06:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning!
[06:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> please approve: 9e5978f17aa49ff96562e37514979556
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[06:46] <number10_m0mdb> morning - settining up at leicester
[06:47] <number10_m0mdb> gete was locked
[06:48] <tweetBot> @philcrump2: @AnthonyStirk how much pink tape are you using this morning? #ukhas http://t.co/teaeMz7ks7
[06:52] <number10_m0mdb> already some pink tape round the filler
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[06:56] <jcoxon> morning
[06:56] Action: mfa298 wants OLAF to be just slightly higher off the ground then I might get a decode
[06:58] <number10_m0mdb> morning jcoxon
[06:58] <number10_m0mdb> payload being assembled
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[06:59] <mfa298> sounds like OLAF just launched
[07:00] <susf-site> Yep
[07:00] <susf-site> OLAF/MAJORA up
[07:00] <mfa298> it went from being barely audiable in soton to defeaning
[07:01] <susf-site> :)
[07:01] <jcoxon> number10_m0mdb, where are you launching from?
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[07:02] Action: mfa298 has switched to majora
[07:03] <number10_m0mdb> with daveake at leicester
[07:03] <jcoxon> oh right!
[07:04] <number10_m0mdb> doing the chase
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[07:04] <number10_m0mdb> daveake: staying here to do the live tv
[07:04] <jcoxon> you got recruited!
[07:05] <jcoxon> how does OLAF work? does it focus on the sun?
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[07:06] <number10_m0mdb> yes jcoxon
[07:06] <mfa298> first picture of a cloudy day coming in
[07:07] <arko> good luck all!
[07:07] <jcoxon> we'll get good shadow with all this cloud
[07:08] <domojn> terrible cloud
[07:08] Action: jcoxon also predicts we'll push above 200 people on the channel
[07:08] Nick change: dbrooke -> db_g6gzh
[07:09] <db_g6gzh> morning all - SUSF airborne already I see!
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[07:10] <jcoxon> oh wow majora is going for a big picture
[07:11] <mfa298> jcoxon: 200+ shouldn't be too hard, it was 189 when I looked last night
[07:11] <mfa298> MAJORA is doing 600 baud
[07:11] <jcoxon> i was hoping to get away with not tracking
[07:11] <jcoxon> but i think we'll need everyone we can get
[07:11] <mfa298> so hopefully it wont take too long
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[07:13] <mfa298> I think I might need more/ bigger screens for all these flights
[07:13] <domojn> http://amsat-uk.org/2015/03/16/434-mhz-balloon-launch-at-bbc-stargazing-event/ Amsat covered it nicely
[07:15] <mfa298> although amsat only have one of the balloons, there's at least three in the UK doing live images (the first has already launched) and another thats just doing stills / video but no live feed
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[07:16] <mfa298> they do have the SUSF flight details on http://amsat-uk.org/2015/03/18/southampton-students-to-launch-434-mhz-eclipse-payload/
[07:16] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[07:17] <fsphil> The Eagle has launched
[07:17] <fsphil> tricky launch! bad breeze and rain
[07:17] <arko> wooo!!!
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[07:19] <lz1dev> lucky enough
[07:20] <lz1dev> ISS is gonna pass over the start of the solar eclispe at 8:57 UTC
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[07:20] <lz1dev> well they miss it by like 13 minutes :(
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[07:21] <DL1SGP> good morning folks
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[07:26] <mikestir> the eagle has landed?
[07:26] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Helium skid marks #ukhas http://t.co/LhYHiAH9rq
[07:28] <fsphil> the eagle might have landed
[07:28] <fsphil> oh dear
[07:29] <mikestir> up again
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[07:30] <mfa298> as long as it's always got a +ve AGL - or should that be ATL
[07:30] <mfa298> (above tree level)
[07:31] <domojn> websdr.suws.org.uk/?tune=434211.50
[07:32] <domojn> http://websdr.suws.org.uk/?tune=434211.50
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[07:32] <domojn> Southampton Uni SDR with the weather balloon 5/9
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[07:36] <domojn> Anyone know how I can decod that in multipsk?
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[07:37] <DL1SGP> Moin Sven
[07:37] <mfa298> domojn: you're best off grabbing dl-fldifi as that will do most of the setup for you and also uploads the data
[07:38] <mfa298> so the data on http://ssdv.habhub.org/ and
[07:38] <mfa298> !track OLAF
[07:38] <SpacenearUS> 03mfa298: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=OLAF
[07:38] <mfa298> all comes from people running dl-fldigi
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[07:39] <domojn> oooh ok
[07:39] <mfa298> and dl-fldigi is the only thing that will decode the image data
[07:39] <mfa298> links should be on ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[07:39] <DL1SGP> heel goeden morgen PH3V
[07:41] <PH3V> Jij ook een hele goede morgen DL1SGP :-) ... ready 4 eclipse!
[07:41] <domojn> When setting up, do I put my own QTH, or the QTH of the receiver?
[07:41] <mfa298> generally best to use the location of the receiver
[07:42] <mfa298> if you're using the SUWS WebSDR I think it lists the lat/long on the page
[07:42] <domojn> okeydoke
[07:42] <mfa298> the IARU locator isn't used, there's a space to put lat/long/alt in the dl-fldigi config pages
[07:42] <henryplumb> morning all
[07:42] <DL1SGP> jaa zeker PH3V :) all set!
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[07:48] <pfy_> Majora photos are looking good, Olaf doesn't look very clear.
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[07:50] <PE2G> !flights
[07:50] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03SEBA9 eclipse chaser 434.730 MHz  10(9556), 03Kent_HAB1 10(863d), 03APJ09 10(80cd), 03Stargazing 10(aac0), 03SUSF Eclipse Flight 2015 10(89ae), 03Eagle Eclipse launch 10(9f67)
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[07:50] <mfa298> pfy_: I believe OLAF is setup for the eclipse so has solar film and longer exposures
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[07:50] <DL1SGP> STREEK flight is available for auto-setup through the "testing" list :)
[07:51] <DL1SGP> morning jcoxon
[07:51] <PE2G> !dial 89ae
[07:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03OLAF 10(89ae): 03434.148827 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.1485 MHz
[07:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03MAJORA 10(89ae): 03434.076 MHz, 434.21166 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.736452 MHz
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[07:51] Topic changed on #highaltitude by edmoore!ed@77.89.174.69: Welcome to #highaltitude - | ECLIPSE ECSTACY! Flight details- http://ukhas.org.uk/news:balloon_launches Pics- ssdv.habhub.org | discuss anything to do with high altitude projects! Please read the wiki - http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk , channel logs: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
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[07:55] <jcoxon> eagle is struggling with clouds
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[07:57] <edmoore> majora is pointing down?
[07:57] <jcoxon> i think its an attempt to catch the shadow
[07:57] <edmoore> rightyho
[07:57] <jcoxon> while olaf is for the sun
[07:57] <edmoore> like peter pan
[07:58] <domojn> all my decodings are gibberish
[07:58] <jcoxon> that could be ssdv
[07:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Open the SSDV window under the View tab
[07:59] <Upu_M0UPU> one pi is now on 434.650
[07:59] <Upu_M0UPU> otherone isn't txing
[07:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> I haven't got enough screen space :-(
[08:00] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, oh
[08:00] <henryplumb> i've got to work but i've set the handheld and magmount in my car in the car park on my pc with a wifi connection so we'll see if I get anything on 434.650
[08:00] <henryplumb> i'll check it on my break lol
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[08:01] <Dread> hai
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[08:01] <edmoore> hi Dread
[08:01] <mfa298> henryplumb: most handhelds are FM only which won't work for rtty or do you have one of the few that's multimode
[08:01] <henryplumb> Yupiteru MVT-7100 ;)
[08:01] <henryplumb> Not a TX
[08:02] <Dread> ouch
[08:02] <Dread> nice receiver
[08:02] <mfa298> that should work - I've got one myself although not used much
[08:02] <henryplumb> I really like it to be honest
[08:02] <henryplumb> it works really well
[08:02] <henryplumb> goes nicely with 434 magmount on the car
[08:03] <domojn> What does 8n2 mean?
[08:03] <pc1pcl> 8 databits no parity 2 stop bits
[08:03] <edmoore> 8 bits no parity 2 stop bits
[08:03] <mfa298> 8 data bits, no parity, 2 stop bits
[08:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> *bit No parity 2 stop
[08:03] <henryplumb> hah :L
[08:03] <pc1pcl> ofcourse now you might want to know what the full expansion means..
[08:03] <mfa298> three for the price of one :)
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[08:04] <domojn> ahhh, thanks guys
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[08:05] <mfa298> the drop down list should do most of that for you
[08:05] <mfa298> select SUSF eclipse in flight and OLAF in payload (if that's the one your looking at)
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[08:07] <PE2G> !flights
[08:07] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03SEBA9 eclipse chaser 434.730 MHz  10(9556), 03Kent_HAB1 10(863d), 03APJ09 10(80cd), 03Stargazing 10(aac0), 03SUSF Eclipse Flight 2015 10(89ae), 03Eagle Eclipse launch 10(9f67)
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[08:11] <domojn> I now have ascii gibberish
[08:11] <domojn> ssdv is blank
[08:12] <mfa298> if you havn't done, you'll need to right click on the word rtty in the bottom left of the window and set receive filter bandwidth to about the same as the baud rate
[08:12] <fsphil> and landed again
[08:13] <tweetBot> @jonsowman: Too cloudy to see #eclipse2015? View from above the clouds from @SUSpaceflight HAB at http://t.co/f9TWfLQLvQ #ukhas http://t.co/XKaut0QSlW
[08:13] <mfa298> also can you see the audio waterfall on dl-fldigi - if not you might need to get it using some suitable audio
[08:13] <mikestir> oh dear landed in the lough
[08:14] <Onlooker> Oops couldnt quite clear the Lough
[08:15] <mfa298> domojn: when it's working you should get something like http://imgur.com/erQKcHH (note that's from MAJORA so 600 baud )
[08:15] <domojn> I have that already set
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[08:15] <domojn> very odd that that's not what I'm getting
[08:16] <jcoxon> domojn, screenshot please
[08:16] <jcoxon> fsphil, anychance it'll take off again?
[08:16] <number10_m0mdb> some slight issues here - track AVA 434.4850
[08:16] <mfa298> domojn: you probably want to turn off SQL (Bottom right) which defaults to being on
[08:16] <number10_m0mdb> launch in few mins
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[08:17] <PE2G> STREEK IV / DN4GB-11 went up without RTTY, apparently
[08:18] <number10_m0mdb> up
[08:18] <infaddict> morning all. full on cloud up north ;-(
[08:18] <Upu_M0UPU> morning
[08:18] <Upu_M0UPU> can someone do a flight doc for ava pls
[08:18] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.485
[08:18] <Upu_M0UPU> total last minute thing....
[08:18] <number10_m0mdb> 434.650 kryten
[08:19] <henryplumb> morning infaddict full cloud here too :(
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> buzz is on 434.315 but we think locked out
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> gps
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> so we threw a backup on 434.485
[08:19] <fsphil> jcoxon: hope so
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> no flight doc
[08:19] <fsphil> I don't see any signal
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> if someone could do it pls
[08:19] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
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[08:20] <Upu_M0UPU> $$AVA,37,08:19:39,52.601240,-1.093455,699,7,1594,08*6670
[08:20] <infaddict> i can do that if nobody else started?
[08:20] <jcoxon> go for it infaddict
[08:20] <jcoxon> otherwise i'll do it
[08:20] <infaddict> on it
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[08:21] <infaddict> Upu_M0UPU: whats the shift?
[08:22] <jcoxon> here is the challenge - can someone post edit the OLAF images to take out the blur
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[08:22] <mfa298> looks like MAJORA just dropped to carrier
[08:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Upu_M0UPU, are the LoRa signals up OK?
[08:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes it has
[08:23] <jcoxon> infaddict, hows that payload doc?
[08:23] <infaddict> nearly there
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[08:25] <Upu_M0UPU> thx man
[08:25] <infaddict> 526f9d7d566963f6662ca0c219245ee6
[08:25] <infaddict> left shift at 325
[08:25] <jcoxon> infaddict, post to #habhub
[08:26] <infaddict> thats the payload do u need flight doc too?
[08:26] <mikestir> barc on 650 with the most horrendous modulation I've seen in a while
[08:26] <jonsowman> infaddict: flight doc id plss
[08:27] <pfy_> Is Olaf coming down?
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[08:27] <edmoore> [08:25] <infaddict> 526f9d7d566963f6662ca0c219245ee6
[08:27] <mfa298> does look a bit like it might be
[08:27] <pfy_> :/
[08:27] <jonsowman> edmoore: is payload doc
[08:27] <edmoore> oh sorry!
[08:27] <edmoore> back into my box
[08:27] <infaddict> flight is 526f9d7d566963f6662ca0c2196912fd
[08:27] <infaddict> posting in habhub now
[08:28] <jonsowman> dont worry infaddict, got it
[08:28] <mikestir> $$BARC,114,0,08:27:45,52.9567,-1.7348,5555m,10
[08:28] <jonsowman> infaddict: Upu_M0UPU approved
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[08:29] <infaddict> great its on the map, altitude 3652
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[08:30] <mfa298> pfy_: and it's upwards again, might have just been cloud or some old data coming in
[08:30] <DutchMillbt> !dial RIMMER
[08:30] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03RIMMER 10(aac0): none
[08:31] <pfy_> maf298 true, is it set to float or just weighted to reach its burst altitude slowly?
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[08:31] <DutchMillbt> !dial AVA
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03AVA 10(12fd): 03434.486 MHz, 434.485 MHz, 821.80143 MHz, 434.4503 MHz
[08:31] <G0WXI_> !dial kryten
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03KRYTEN 10(aac0): 03434.65145 MHz
[08:31] <Melium> Howdy all
[08:31] <DutchMillbt> Thankz
[08:31] <M0JCU_junderwood> !dial marvin
[08:31] <SpacenearUS> 03M0JCU_junderwood: Latest dials for 03MARVIN 10(aac0): none
[08:32] <mfa298> pfy_: I think the aim was slow ascent so it might float or at least take a while to burst
[08:32] <mfa298> I think the NOTAM they had required a 7am launch (or earlier)
[08:32] <Rene_> Morning. I'm wondering what's happening with OLAF. Is something wrong with the camera or the stabiliser?
[08:32] <jcoxon> Rene_, i think they are just taking oppurtune pictures
[08:33] <Melium> Are they doing a live video feed for SEBA-9 or just snapshots?
[08:33] <jonsowman> correct
[08:33] <jcoxon> once its a bit higher the spin will settle
[08:33] <mfa298> Rene_: it's got solar film and I think longer exposures so the images might not look so good until the actual eclipse
[08:33] <Mark_D> Morning any problems with EAGLE. It looks like its stuck - moisture on the envelope ?
[08:33] <fsphil> ditched in the lake Mark_D
[08:33] <Rene_> Oh, I see
[08:33] <fsphil> not sure why
[08:34] <Mark_D> Sorry to hear that.
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[08:34] <fsphil> probably a combination of the thick cloud, rain and wind
[08:34] <Rene_> mfa298, @jcoxon: thanks for the info
[08:34] <PE2G> !flights
[08:34] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03SEBA9 eclipse chaser 434.730 MHz  10(9556), 03Kent_HAB1 10(863d), 03Ava Eclipse 10(12fd), 03APJ09 10(80cd), 03Stargazing 10(aac0), 03SUSF Eclipse Flight 2015 10(89ae), 03Eagle Eclipse launch 10(9f67)
[08:34] <fsphil> I'm debating going after it
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[08:36] <edmoore> can you get it above cloud level in time for some eclipse if you do?
[08:36] <G0WXI_> !dial rimmer
[08:36] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI_: Latest dials for 03RIMMER 10(aac0): none
[08:36] <fsphil> probably not
[08:36] <Melium> !dial SEBA9
[08:36] <SpacenearUS> 03Melium: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:36] <Melium> Hmm
[08:37] <fsphil> if the balloon is intact it may launch again
[08:37] <domojn> mfa298 https://imgur.com/RRZY6fN
[08:37] <PE2G> !flight 12fd
[08:37] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Flight 10(12fd): 03Ava Eclipse 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 08:00 from 03Norfolk, UK 10(52.6333,1.1333)
[08:37] <domojn> Anyone in UK got the eclipse yet
[08:37] <edmoore> got clouds
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[08:37] <lz1dev> fat clouds just came up
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[08:38] <mfa298> domojn: it's probably easier if you launch dl-fldigi in hab mode (should look similar to the screenshot I posted)
[08:38] <PE2G> !payload Ava Eclipse
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[08:38] <lz1dev> why did i even bother setting the camera, i dunno
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is a BARC flight up on 434.650 as well :-(
[08:38] <PE2G> !payload 12fd
[08:38] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03AVA 10(12fd) 03$$AVA - 03Primary - 03434.485 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[08:38] <mfa298> domojn: looks like you need more audio level into dl-fldigi as well (the black diamond on bottom right should turn green when it's about right)
[08:39] <mfa298> also the RTTY dropdown (top left) should probably be USB or RTTYR
[08:39] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, barc?
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA is now visible on the Coast
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[08:39] <craag-web> o/
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not seeing any LoRa signals anyone else ?
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[08:40] <jcoxon> olaf 113 shows eclipse
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[08:40] <jcoxon> on the right side
[08:40] <craag-web> Re: MAJORA we'd like to file a bug report on Pi In The Sky :P
[08:40] <craag-web> sweet jcoxon
[08:41] <db_g6gzh> Geoff-G8DHE: I have RIMMER on LoRa
[08:41] <mfa298> craag-web: I suspect they're too busy to take bug reports at the moment :)
[08:41] <craag-web> mfa298: Thought they might be ;)
[08:41] <craag-web> But yeah - looks like the transmission software crashed
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> db_g6gzh, TKS I'll dig
[08:42] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Eclipse is starting #ukhas #eclipse2015 #StargazingLive http://t.co/r117wgPUly
[08:42] <fsphil> eclipse visible, nice
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[08:42] <Onlooker> Olaf 117 image coming in with good eclipse
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[08:43] <jonsowman> excellent
[08:43] <Melium> Is there anywhere we can view the SEBA9 images? I can't do RTTY from where i'm at
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[08:44] <jonsowman> 117 as well
[08:44] <jonsowman> on the right
[08:44] <lz1dev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUYGDRhCZY
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[08:45] <Melium> Much appreciated
[08:45] <Reb-SM0ULC> 122 nice and sharp
[08:45] <edmoore> shame about the audio
[08:47] <DL1SGP> does anyone have the qrgs of the 2 german flights?
[08:47] <Laurenceb_> how is OLAF managing so many sun shots?
[08:47] <pc1pcl> I think it's aprs only for both of them?
[08:48] <PE2G> !dial aac0
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03BUZZ 10(aac0): 03434.31617 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.449 MHz, 434.316328 MHz, 434.248 MHz, 434.31604 MHz, 7.045918 MHz
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03MARVIN 10(aac0): none
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03ZAPHOD 10(aac0): none
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03KRYTEN 10(aac0): 03434.6518 MHz, 434.64117 MHz, 434.65145 MHz
[08:48] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03RIMMER 10(aac0): none
[08:48] <jonsowman> Laurenceb_: continuously takes pics and then searches for the ones with sun in them
[08:48] <Laurenceb_> ah
[08:48] <jonsowman> then crops and transmits
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[08:50] <craag-web> It's magic :)
[08:50] <jonsowman> :)
[08:50] <Melium> Wish this was visible from the US :(
[08:51] <craag-web> Annoyingly the magic algorithm accidentally favours blurred images :/
[08:51] <jonsowman> wish this was visible from the UK
[08:51] <lz1dev> Melium: just wait another 2 years
[08:51] <infaddict> lol jonsowman
[08:51] <Melium> Haha, true
[08:51] <infaddict> annoyingly ever now and then a slight glimpse of where the sun might be, through slightly thinner cloud, teases me
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[08:51] <edmoore> yeah same here
[08:52] <fl_0> DL1SGP: what QRGs?
[08:52] <fl_0> DN4GB-11 just has APRS 2m TX
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[08:52] <fl_0> and a 70cm telemetry TX on 438.100 or 438.125
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[08:52] <fl_0> no SSDV TX this time
[08:53] <jonsowman> what sort of magic algorithm is this craag-web?
[08:53] <jonsowman> the dave-patented "look for most non-black pixels"?
[08:53] <DL1SGP> fl_0: and STREEK on 434.400 as they announced in their "FREQ Change Mail"
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[08:53] <domojn> How do I go into hab mode?
[08:53] <mikestir> haha. I've just realised why I'm doing so badly here - forgot to turn the DSP noise reduction off
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[08:54] <craag-web> jonsowman: There's a bit of Chris+Python magic in there too
[08:54] <jonsowman> craag-web: :D
[08:54] <jonsowman> cool
[08:54] <jonsowman> well it mostly seems to work
[08:54] <jonsowman> so good job
[08:55] <jonsowman> (yes I guess this bears a lot of resemblance to chris' phd)
[08:55] <craag-web> Cheers. Majora's failure will be filed on the PiInTheSky Issue Tracker shortly...
[08:55] <jonsowman> lol what happened?
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[08:55] <jcoxon> hopefully above 20km or so the spin will reduce
[08:55] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yes i hope so
[08:55] <edmoore> it should stabilise in the way the UKHAS1 didn't
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[08:56] <domojn> mfa298 I fixed the audio, how do I put it in hab mode?
[08:56] <fl_0> DL1SGP: what is STREEK?
[08:56] <craag-web> jonsowman: Went the carrier at the end of an image. No other explanation than transmission software crash.
[08:56] <jcoxon> edmoore, sssshhhh, that was on descent
[08:56] <jonsowman> lol jcoxon
[08:57] <jonsowman> craag-web: ah :/ not good
[08:57] <jonsowman> the images were lovely before it died
[08:57] <craag-web> mm
[08:57] <craag-web> OLAF has decided it's bored of the sun
[08:58] <jonsowman> hah, hopefully it's a sign that spin rate has decreased
[08:58] <Onlooker> craag-web: nah, it just captured a full eclipse instead ;)
[08:58] <jonsowman> should hopefully drift back towards sun
[08:58] <DL1SGP> fl_0: see http://www.strato-geeks.de/ they announced their launch throuhg mailing list and it is in air
[08:59] <henryplumb> sun again now on OLAF
[09:00] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Are you sure about STREEK? Nothing here on 434.400
[09:00] <fl_0> nothing hiere on 434.400 too
[09:00] <DL1SGP> PE2G: that is why I was asking but in a lack of caffeeine I forgot the questionmark :D
[09:01] <fl_0> should there be an SSDV downlink on 434.400?
[09:01] <G0WXI_> <db_g6gzh> Are you using the published Lora settings/Freqs? No luck with RIMMER for me here
[09:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Me neither tried the settings given and also the Mode_x=1 and just CRC errors
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[09:03] <jcoxon> 162 image is good
[09:03] <Vaizki> craag-web, is there a watch dog, will it reboot?
[09:04] <cuddykid> morning all
[09:04] <db_g6gzh> G0WXI_: Geoff-G8DHE: frequency_0=434.45 mode_0=1
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[09:04] <G0WXI_> thanks I'll try that
[09:04] <infaddict> I actually SAW the sun for 1.5 seconds just now
[09:04] <PE2G> fl_0: They announced RTTY on https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/PatOpYQaR4A/lm0PL5ZpDDUJ
[09:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> been trying that no luck :(
[09:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> can see the signal on 434.450 as well
[09:05] <fl_0> PE2G: okay. but nothing to hear here .... :-(
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[09:06] <PE2G> fl_0: :(
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[09:06] <edmoore> seen it!
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[09:06] <edmoore> hooray!
[09:06] <edmoore> clouds broke
[09:06] <mfa298> domojn: there should be a link on your desktop for hab mode (it starts with a different UI)
[09:07] <infaddict> yep edmoore it was only brief for me but just saw it
[09:07] <Upu_M0UPU> are there any pictures being uploaded
[09:07] <db_g6gzh> Geoff-G8DHE: getting about 70% good CRC
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[09:08] <db_g6gzh> Upu_M0UPU: KRYTEN and RIMMER are just sending position
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[09:08] <Laurenceb_> getting quite dark here
[09:08] <db_g6gzh> and KRYTEN just went to carrier
[09:08] <db_g6gzh> oh back
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[09:08] <craag-web> Vaizki: Looking at Dave's code - no watchdog.
[09:09] <craag-web> Should still be saving pics though
[09:09] <craag-web> So hopeful for a dry landing!
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[09:09] <mikestir> yay clouds broke here
[09:10] <henryplumb> Still no break here :'(
[09:10] <G0WXI_> Now getting decodes on RIMMER, don't think I did any different to what I tried before
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> G0WXI, Any luck, starting to get unknown packets now rather than CRC errors ...
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[09:11] <Vaizki> craag-web, in Jersey? :
[09:11] <PE2G> !dial 89ae
[09:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03OLAF 10(89ae): 03434.149 MHz, 434.398 MHz, 434.14918 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.15155 MHz, 434.149328 MHz, 434.1485 MHz, 434.5 MHz, 434.14971 MHz
[09:11] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03MAJORA 10(89ae): 03434.076 MHz, 434.212196 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.736452 MHz, 434.21166 MHz, 434.212151 MHz, 434.212108 MHz
[09:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll try a reboot
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[09:12] <DutchMillbt> !dial BARC
[09:12] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[09:12] <infaddict> another glimpse of sun and now gone. really hate clouds.
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[09:12] <DutchMillbt> BARC,09:08:35,DOOR_OPENED_AT_22489m,&&&
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[09:13] <jonsowman> not even a hint of sun here :(
[09:13] <ibanezmatt13> cloudy here, but pin hole thing is sort of working - got a faint cresent shape
[09:13] <fsphil> thick cloud here
[09:13] <henryplumb> sky is completely cloud here :(
[09:13] <fsphil> but definitly dark
[09:13] <henryplumb> ^^ yeah, same here
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[09:14] <infaddict> sunny here now!
[09:14] <infaddict> awesome
[09:14] <henryplumb> infaddict where abouts are you?
[09:14] <infaddict> newcastle
[09:14] <henryplumb> ah
[09:14] <infaddict> i say sunny - breaks in clouds more like
[09:14] <henryplumb> haha
[09:15] <infaddict> like a crescent moon now
[09:15] <henryplumb> no break yet here, hopefully we'll get a glimpse at some point
[09:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> Nice of BBC to not block people outside uk.
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[09:16] <infaddict> well i only got around 1 minute but it was worth it
[09:16] Nick change: grumbleist -> Guest21421
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[09:17] <Upu_M0UPU> anyone getting position inbfo on buz 434.315?
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[09:20] <jonsowman> #206 from olaf is great
[09:20] <db_g6gzh> Upu_M0UPU: yes
[09:21] <Vaizki> Upu_M0UPU, I'm looking at amell's radio and nothing on 434.315 and seeing RTTY but this internet streaming of raw IQ data isn't working too well
[09:21] <Vaizki> so I can't decode
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[09:21] <Upu_M0UPU> doeas it have location db_g6gzh
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[09:21] <Babs____> Why are we just getting pictures of bonnin when she has two cameras looking outside...
[09:21] Nick change: GB_ -> Guest36318
[09:21] <henryplumb> getting darker here now
[09:22] <DL1SGP> partial-eclipse looks beautiful :)
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[09:22] <Mark_D> Can anybody hint me where to get dl-fldigi for Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty? PPA packages are not for trusty and GIT code won't build.
[09:22] <fl_0> Mark_D: see the remarks on building on ubuntu
[09:22] <fl_0> I could compile without problems
[09:22] <db_g6gzh> Upu_M0UPU: yes position looks OK
[09:22] <mfa298> Mark_D: there are some instructions for 14.04 for building from source that should work
[09:23] <mfa298> although I've not tried it for a while so it's always possibly ubuntu have broken something since
[09:23] <Mark_D> where are they ? could not find anything
[09:23] <fl_0> Mark_D: you now need to edit the file src/Makefile.am and comment out the line that starts TESTS = (line 229) by adding a # to the start of the line. You can now continue with the build process as before.
[09:23] <fl_0> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[09:23] <pe1mew> any update on streekiv? i do receive but no decode
[09:24] <fl_0> pe1mew: which QRG?
[09:24] <Vaizki> Upu_M0UPU, got a partial decode "36142,-1.0"
[09:24] <Vaizki> so apparently there is location but this crap setup can't catch whole sentences
[09:24] <pe1mew> 434.400,31
[09:24] <fl_0> pe1mew: cannot head anything there .... :(
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[09:25] <fl_0> head = hear
[09:25] <pe1mew> bummer :-)
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[09:25] <DL1SGP> not hearing anything from streek either pe1mew
[09:25] <Chetic> is there a ssdv feed? can't see anything on ssdv.habhub.org
[09:26] <pe1mew> I di have stable signal but i doubt about the given settings
[09:26] <Onlooker> anyone getting anything via websdr?
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA,BUZZ & OLAF are fine here but nothing else :-(
[09:26] <Vaizki> pe1mew, I can see hundreds of images
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[09:27] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: MAJORA not working anymore?
[09:27] <craag-web> PE2G: Pi has crashed it looks like/
[09:27] <henryplumb> PE2G it's dead :(
[09:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> No it failed went to carrier
[09:27] <craag-web> It might still be taking pics
[09:27] <PE2G> Tnx
[09:27] <craag-web> So fingers crossed for dry landing!
[09:27] <henryplumb> yeah, hopefully it's storing some good pictures still
[09:28] <Northants> Anywone know if the frequencys have changed for the SSDV for Stargazing ? I'm hearing BUZZ ok but not the other 2
[09:28] <PE2G> I´ll try OLAF then
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial AVA
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03AVA 10(12fd): 03434.485249 MHz, 434.486 MHz, 814.10143 MHz, 434.485 MHz, 434.48527 MHz
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial BUZZ
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03BUZZ 10(aac0): 03434.315076 MHz, 434.31464 MHz, 434.315 MHz, 434.248 MHz, 434.315097 MHz, 434.449 MHz, 434.315118 MHz, 434.31504 MHz, 434.315139 MHz
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[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial OLAF
[09:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03OLAF 10(89ae): 03434.398 MHz, 434.149 MHz, 434.14918 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.15155 MHz, 434.148828 MHz, 434.1485 MHz, 434.149275 MHz
[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Very thick cloud on the S.Coast as well :(
[09:29] <Mark_D> fl_0: Thanks for the help! cloudy outside, but its getting really dark and gloomy now (Kinloss / Scotland).
[09:30] <henryplumb> i'm in cambridge and if anything the cloud is just getting thicker
[09:30] <fl_0> Mark_D: np
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[09:30] <fl_0> nothing to see from the sun here and nothing to hear from any balloon as well :-(((
[09:30] <Babs____> Famous daveake on TV
[09:30] <Onlooker> check out daveake on BBC
[09:30] <infaddict> yep dave on bbc now
[09:31] <Onlooker> Majora getting some airtime there
[09:31] <jonsowman> oh my goodness spacenear.us on tv
[09:31] <mfa298> where's an OLAF Picture
[09:31] <Onlooker> dave's car aka tv studio!
[09:31] <edmoore> good views here
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[09:32] <Vaizki> so where is MAJORA supposed to land?
[09:32] <mfa298> they're hoping it might make it to France
[09:32] <tweetBot> @DutchMillbt: A busy morning at hight altitude #eclipse #ukhas http://t.co/pbYrE0XYLi
[09:32] <henryplumb> fingers crossed
[09:33] <mfa298> although I'm not sure anyone's actually gone to chase it yet
[09:33] <Onlooker> plenty of northerly wind needed to get it to france
[09:33] <DL1SGP> 10 minutes to maximum at my QTH
[09:33] <infaddict> some nice views between clouds here. sadly large black cloud now here so end of eclipse 2015 for me.
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[09:34] <jededu> Excellent view here :)
[09:34] <Onlooker> London eclipse was, as expected, a damp squib
[09:34] <henryplumb> Onlooker: Same here for Cambridge
[09:35] <Onlooker> Yeah just whitegrey cloud all over
[09:35] <henryplumb> yup, nothing but white/grey
[09:36] <tweetBot> @SUSpaceflight: Best image so far @ECSUoS @unisouthampton #ukhas #StargazingLive #eclipse2015 http://t.co/tBlevk3up7
[09:36] <infaddict> i was lucky enough to get 1-2 mins at about 9:20 with break in cloud then <1 minute just now.
[09:36] <pfy_> Could just about see it through a tiny gap in the clouds (Leeds)
[09:36] <PE2G> !payload aac0
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03BUZZ 10(aac0) 03$$BUZZ - 03434.315 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03MARVIN 10(aac0) 03$$MARVIN - 03PITS+ 300 baud - 03434.3 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/920Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03ZAPHOD 10(aac0) 03$$ZAPHOD - no transmissions
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03KRYTEN 10(aac0) 03$$KRYTEN - 03PITS+ 300 baud - 03434.4 MHz USB 03RTTY 300/920Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:36] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Payload 03RIMMER 10(aac0) 03$$RIMMER - no transmissions
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[09:37] <jcoxon> check out image 18
[09:37] <jonsowman> jcoxon: yeah!
[09:37] <jonsowman> :D
[09:38] <henryplumb> that's pretty good
[09:38] <Laurenceb_> finally
[09:38] Nick change: Family -> Lammergeier
[09:38] <jcoxon> from 26km
[09:38] <infaddict> any link?
[09:38] <Laurenceb_> probably more stable up there
[09:38] <jonsowman> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2015-03-20--09-37-21-OLAF-1F3A.jpeg?u=3
[09:38] <infaddict> thx
[09:39] <pfysmate> !dial KRYTEN
[09:39] <SpacenearUS> 03pfysmate: Latest dials for 03KRYTEN 10(aac0): 03434.64117 MHz, 434.65255 MHz, 7.045918 MHz
[09:39] <Onlooker> watching em all come in on http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[09:39] <fsphil> totally clouded out here
[09:39] <fsphil> got nice and dark though
[09:39] <fsphil> how's everyone elses flight going?
[09:39] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: The Eclipse from 26km altitude over English Channel #ukhas #StargazingLive from OLAF High Altitude Balloon http://t.co/AfgbuQCr1k
[09:39] <fsphil> some nice shots
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[09:41] <pfy_> Olaf image 18 is awesome!
[09:41] <jonsowman> it is
[09:41] <NickB> 30!
[09:42] <Onlooker> BBC are showing the plane flight images, looks like plenty of nice prominences
[09:42] <edmoore> amazingness
[09:42] <Onlooker> OLAF30 and OLAF31 are both awesome
[09:43] <henryplumb> quite a few nice OLAF shots on there
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[09:45] <Northants> Anyone getting SSDV from any of the Stargazing HAB's ?
[09:45] <mfa298> Northants: I think they've had issues with most of the live images
[09:45] <Onlooker> Did daveake say there was no SSDV at all then, from any payloads?
[09:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah got RIMMER it was too low in freq!
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[09:46] <Onlooker> !dial aac0
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Onlooker: Latest dials for 03BUZZ 10(aac0): 03434.314586 MHz, 434.076 MHz, 434.31413 MHz, 434.315 MHz, 434.31404 MHz, 434.248 MHz, 434.314566 MHz, 434.449 MHz
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Onlooker: Latest dials for 03MARVIN 10(aac0): none
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Onlooker: Latest dials for 03ZAPHOD 10(aac0): none
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Onlooker: Latest dials for 03KRYTEN 10(aac0): 03434.65255 MHz, 7.045918 MHz, 434.64117 MHz
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Onlooker: Latest dials for 03RIMMER 10(aac0): none
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[09:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial rimmer
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03RIMMER 10(aac0): none
[09:46] <jonsowman> #44 is nice
[09:46] <edmoore> Northants, olaf has been doing sterling work
[09:46] <Northants> Whats RIMMER on ?
[09:46] <edmoore> olf image 44 http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[09:47] <mfa298> Northants: Rimmer is one of the LORA modules
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[09:47] <Laurenceb_> def getting brighter again here
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[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> RIMMER on my LoRa setup is 434.447MHz
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[09:49] <henryplumb> OLAF sure has got some good pictures
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[09:49] <Northants> Found KRYTEN
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[09:49] <fsphil> it's done well
[09:49] <fsphil> ended up being the only ssdv launch
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[09:50] <henryplumb> fsphil sure has, a very admirable performance
[09:50] <Laurenceb_> ooh dave
[09:50] <henryplumb> would be very fitting for OLAF to make it to France :)
[09:51] <Northants> <fsphil> What balloon is the DV on + freq ?
[09:51] <fl_0> can see dave on BBC:)
[09:51] <fl_0> showing a Pi :)
[09:51] <bosco> =o) Excellent
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[09:52] <Upu_M0UPU> thx for sorting ava out
[09:52] <Upu_M0UPU> no live pics at all ?
[09:52] <fsphil> eagle ditched :(
[09:52] <mfa298> shame no OLAF images on BBC but I suspect they would have wanted higher res
[09:52] <infaddict> np Upu_M0UPU
[09:53] <Upu_M0UPU> ditched ?
[09:53] <fsphil> Upu_M0UPU: it did an upu (dragged along the ground a bit)
[09:53] <fsphil> ascended a bit, then came down again over a large lake
[09:53] <fsphil> hasn't been seen since
[09:53] <pc1pcl> !dial OLAF
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03OLAF 10(89ae): 03434.14925 MHz, 434.149 MHz, 434.14918 MHz, 434.4503 MHz, 434.15155 MHz, 434.1485 MHz, 434.737335 MHz, 434.148828 MHz, 434.075 MHz
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[09:53] <Upu_M0UPU> bugger
[09:54] <Upu_M0UPU> well this didn't quite work as I expected :/
[09:54] <fsphil> no
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[09:54] <fsphil> I think the thick cloud and rain downed it
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[09:54] <jonsowman> last few from OLAF are lovely
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[09:55] <Upu_M0UPU> image recognition ?
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[09:55] <jonsowman> yes Upu_M0UPU
[09:55] <Upu_M0UPU> nice
[09:55] Action: DL1SGP needs to move
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[09:55] <Laurenceb_> which is the highest payload atm?
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[09:56] <Chetic> are there any live images?
[09:56] <jonsowman> Chetic: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[09:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> OLAF is running but low res
[09:56] <Chetic> ohhh I thought that yellow streak was something else
[09:56] <jonsowman> it's cropped from a 5MP image
[09:57] <Chetic> should get some good ones on landing then! :D
[09:57] <infaddict> Laurenceb_: OLAF at 30,074 and AVA at 26,016
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[09:57] <Onlooker> @jonsowman: should be able to do some nice post processing of the original images if it can be retrieved?
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> ah
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[09:57] <jonsowman> Onlooker: yes! fingers crossed
[09:57] <Laurenceb_> some deblur
[09:58] <mikestir> yay got one http://i.imgur.com/J9t9vZG.jpg
[09:58] <infaddict> nice
[09:58] <Onlooker> do you know what the shutter speed was set to for OLAF?
[09:58] <jonsowman> Onlooker: i don't - someone will be along soon who will
[09:59] <Onlooker> @jonsowman: cool
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[10:01] <Laurenceb_> im guessing OLAF has a filter on the front?
[10:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes
[10:02] <mattbrejza> shutter speed is like 1/15, the filter is too good
[10:02] <jonsowman> Onlooker: ^
[10:03] <Laurenceb_> does SEBA6 have onboard camera?
[10:03] <infaddict> OLAF might make Cherbourg!
[10:03] <Vaizki> I think it has 4 onboard video cameras + pi in sky
[10:04] <jonsowman> infaddict: hope so
[10:04] <Onlooker> mattbrejza: thanks, did you get a good ISO for it? hard to tell from noise in a cropped image
[10:05] <mattbrejza> iso chosen to reduce noise
[10:05] <mattbrejza> 120 or so
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[10:05] <Vaizki> what is olaf's expected burst then?
[10:05] <Onlooker> yes, always a trade off
[10:05] <henryplumb> fingers crossed for OLAF to france
[10:05] <mattbrejza> picam didnt incrrase shutter speed with iso setting though
[10:05] <mattbrejza> 35km perhaps
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[10:06] <Onlooker> no, and agree low iso for less noise if you are cropping and scaling
[10:06] <jonsowman> mattbrejza: got any friends in cherbourg?
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[10:06] <mattbrejza> i mailed alan
[10:06] <jonsowman> yes
[10:06] <Onlooker> best get someone on a portsmouth-cherbourg ferry ;)
[10:06] <infaddict> OLAF and HABUni might meet in the deep blue
[10:06] <Laurenceb_> whats the envelope for OLAF?
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[10:07] <DL1SGP> Gooooooooo OOOOLAAAAAFFF *if I cannot RX a HAB I can at least root for it!*
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[10:07] <Vaizki> I was thinking of linking the Olaf cartoon but maybe not :)
[10:07] <edmoore> does it have a big ass-aparachute?
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[10:07] <henryplumb> it'll be nice if MAJORA is still taking some good pics
[10:08] <mattbrejza> we chose the largest of the twonwe had
[10:08] <Chetic> this is reeeeaaaally making me want to put ssdv on my hab
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[10:09] <edmoore> do it then
[10:09] <mattbrejza> 36" chute, 350g payload
[10:09] <edmoore> ok
[10:09] <edmoore> so hopefully a slowish descent
[10:09] <edmoore> ish
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[10:09] <henryplumb> what size balloon is olaf etc. on?
[10:10] <mattbrejza> 1000g hiwyee
[10:10] <Laurenceb_> He ?
[10:10] <henryplumb> doing well
[10:11] <edmoore> to a first approximation, ignoring leftover balloon mass and so on, i put you at about 3.5-4m descent rate
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[10:11] <edmoore> at seal level
[10:11] <edmoore> which is similar to sea level
[10:11] <henryplumb> :P
[10:11] <henryplumb> burst
[10:11] <jonsowman> burst
[10:11] <jcoxon> uhoh
[10:11] <henryplumb> lol
[10:11] <edmoore> yeah uhuh
[10:11] <Onlooker> ah, burst time
[10:11] <mattbrejza> 0 sats, wouldnt be too sure
[10:12] <edmoore> audible wobble on audio?
[10:12] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, post burst chaos often causes sat loss
[10:12] <henryplumb> fingers are crossed for OLAF
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[10:13] <Chetic> is that last picture sheered?
[10:13] <jcoxon> hooray
[10:13] <henryplumb> OLAF is on the air again
[10:13] <edmoore> lol
[10:13] <NickB> haha
[10:14] <jonsowman> 65mph
[10:14] <edmoore> that's going some
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[10:14] <mattbrejza> concerned about the gps, yhe pther pnr was much better behaved
[10:14] <edmoore> concerned about your keyboard
[10:14] <jonsowman> lol
[10:14] <henryplumb> 65 mph in a good direction tho
[10:14] <mattbrejza> (typing on phones)
[10:14] <Chetic> but olaf is halfway to france
[10:14] <Chetic> how are you going to recover it?
[10:14] <mattbrejza> were not
[10:15] <jcoxon> Chetic, it makes the other halfway
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[10:15] <Chetic> someone mentioned high-res pictures onboard?
[10:15] <mattbrejza> yra, also for the dead one
[10:15] <Chetic> how are those recovered?
[10:15] <Onlooker> Chetic: that's a nice to have IF you get it back
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[10:16] <infaddict> most other payloads on way back down now
[10:16] <Wiktor> SEBA-9 / SP9UOB-12 going down
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[10:17] <Onlooker> Yeah, BUZZ/KRYTEN on its way down
[10:18] <Chetic> epic names
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[10:18] <mfa298> OLAF still going up
[10:19] <henryplumb> olaf doing very well
[10:19] <infaddict> yep OLAF up for many awards today ;-)
[10:19] <Onlooker> OLAF is really giving it some height there
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[10:19] <henryplumb> come on 35,000m
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm finding the LoRa gateway crashes when the freq. is more than 0.5KHz off
[10:19] <mfa298> mattbrejza: was there a predicted burst for OLAF ?
[10:20] <fl_0> DL1NBR-11 seems on its way down
[10:20] <fl_0> near Bonn
[10:21] <mattbrejza> 35km
[10:21] <fsphil> ah, finally a clear sun image from olaf
[10:21] <fsphil> 112
[10:21] <henryplumb> excellent effort by olaf
[10:21] <mfa298> have to hope for some hwoyee magic
[10:22] <henryplumb> and another on 113
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[10:22] <Onlooker> less turbulent for olaf up there then
[10:22] <jonsowman> clear image for 65mph
[10:22] <henryplumb> 112 is defo my favorite image so far
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[10:22] <jcoxon> burst
[10:22] <henryplumb> burst
[10:22] <jonsowman> yep
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Rimmer descent
[10:22] <jonsowman> going to be close
[10:22] <Onlooker> burst
[10:22] <infaddict> tidal currents will push OLAF west and then South
[10:22] <henryplumb> come on olaf, you can do it
[10:23] <infaddict> might hit channel islands
[10:23] <henryplumb> lets hope for a reasonably slow descent
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think both went about the same time!
[10:25] <henryplumb> predictions looking alright
[10:26] <tweetBot> @NORB_HAB: Managed to get a glimpse on some paper. Some great pics coming in live from #ukhas balloons! http://t.co/h7IRSzqeot http://t.co/iwuZqLY3aj
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[10:28] <stefan93> hey guys has any of you ever placed the parachute inside the balloon? can it be done ?
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[10:29] <PE2G> Last green from OLAF at -0.1 deg, range 608 km
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[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/STARGAZING_20150320/index.php?ind=3
[10:32] <stefan93> hey guys has any of you ever placed the parachute inside the balloon? can it be done ?
[10:34] <x-f> i think Vaisala does that (or did) by default. it is not a safe idea in my opinion, though.
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[10:35] <Onlooker> so rimmer could be coming down close to some small lakes, hope its not unlucky
[10:35] <Onlooker> either that or Leighton Buzzard train station!
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[10:36] <pc1mh> test
[10:36] <fl_0> works
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[10:36] <pc1mh> Any1 know the freq of the dn4gb balloon?
[10:36] <RocketBoy> stefan93: yes - it worked for me a couple of times - but Id advise using the standard method
[10:37] <fl_0> pc1mh: just has an APRS TX on
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[10:37] <fl_0> but silent sind 9:43Z
[10:37] <pc1mh> 144.800 fm?
[10:37] <fl_0> *since
[10:37] <fl_0> right
[10:37] <stefan93> thanks rocketboy! is there anything different and special i need to do when tying the balloon in this case?
[10:37] <fl_0> 1k2 AFSK
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[10:38] <pc1mh> TNX its right up here, no signal.
[10:39] <RocketBoy> yes - make sure that the gas cant track up the path of the line - I had a sort of hollow bung in the neck
[10:39] <fl_0> pc1mh: did you get any singal after 9:43Z?
[10:39] <x-f> stefan93, put enough string inside the balloon so the chute can fully open on the descent
[10:40] <RocketBoy> stefan93: - see https://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/sets/72157632399831961/
[10:41] <RocketBoy> the main issue as i see it is if there isnt a clean burst and latex remnants get cought up with the chute
[10:41] <stefan93> thank you very much guys
[10:41] <RocketBoy> caught
[10:42] <stefan93> well we are going to use the parachute in the balloon only if the balloon is not released from the system
[10:42] <pe1mew> ok, i am signing off, just packed my rx and stowed it in the travelling bag. have fun all
[10:42] <stefan93> we are placing a drouge chute inside it
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[10:47] <Hab_Kent1> Hi everyone - I couldnt speak yesterday as I was driving but I just wanted to thank everyone for help in tracking yesterday
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> nps there are some images here and this OM http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/Kent_HAB1_20150319/Kent-Uni_20150319.html
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[10:49] <PeteNoc> Morning All
[10:49] <infaddict> hey Hab_Kent1, shame about the sea ditch, never know it might turn up if you had contact details on it.
[10:49] <PeteNoc> is BUZZ actually TXing the SSDV ?
[10:50] <PeteNoc> I could get the telemery only on 434.315
[10:50] <Hab_Kent1> I had gsm texting me for over an hour while it was bobbing along in the ocean, it reached about 1.5km away but the area is very harsh and full of cliffs
[10:50] <edmoore> there were various problems PeteNoc
[10:50] <edmoore> lots of things not working
[10:50] <PeteNoc> hm
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> No none of the cameras seem to be working
[10:50] <PeteNoc> bad news
[10:50] <edmoore> maybe some kind of em field over leicester upsetting things
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Were they trying ti use Solar power ?
[10:51] <PeteNoc> the smog ?
[10:51] <Hab_Kent1> thank you for that link Geoff-G8DHE, looks great!!
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
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[10:52] <infaddict> toxic euro smog cloud?!
[10:53] <infaddict> typically it is now a lovely sunny day here. meh.
[10:53] <edmoore> same here now
[10:53] <edmoore> all burnt off
[10:53] <edmoore> we're hopefully firing a rocket engine this afternoon
[10:53] <edmoore> first firing of a brand new, quite expewrimental engine
[10:53] <edmoore> exciting day
[10:53] <edmoore> although the 'quite experimental' bit adds an element of risk...
[10:54] <infaddict> sounds interesting edmoore. stand clear!
[10:54] <edmoore> we have a reinforced concrete bunker
[10:54] <edmoore> rated to withstand 7kg of tnt equiv
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[10:54] <infaddict> nice, sounds a bit more organised than a mythbusters type setup haha
[10:54] <edmoore> i'm not worried about my safety, more my calculations about cooling the chamber and so on!
[10:55] <infaddict> mmm you can't even use the term 'its not rocket science' either
[10:55] <edmoore> i can't make any allusions to rocket science
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[10:56] <Onlooker> daveake stargazing payloads are about to hit the ground
[10:57] <M0JCU_junderwood> Already down
[10:57] <craag> morning people
[10:57] <M0JCU_junderwood> Last second diversion into the trees in the middle of the field
[10:57] <Onlooker> i see now, down
[10:58] <Onlooker> get the pole out :)
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[10:59] <Onlooker> not much data from olaf then?
[10:59] <Onlooker> is it down and ditched?
[10:59] <craag> Onlooker: yep
[10:59] <edmoore> it's getting a bit low/far for listeners
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[10:59] <edmoore> oh it's landed
[10:59] <edmoore> fine
[10:59] <edmoore> oh well
[11:00] <edmoore> see if a ferry brings it back to the south coast
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[11:00] <Onlooker> I was willing it towards dry land!
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[11:00] <db_g6gzh> it's just visible on my waterfall but too weak to decode anything
[11:00] <db_g6gzh> and gone
[11:01] <Onlooker> get someone down to cherbourg harbour with a yagi ;)
[11:01] <craag> It is 300 baud - not budgeted for recovery
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[11:01] <edmoore> like my alcohol habit
[11:01] <Onlooker> lol
[11:01] <craag> It's well marked with contact details
[11:01] <craag> lol
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[11:04] <infaddict> how much £ do these "not recoverable" payloads cost? they must have at least radio, micro and gps in them.
[11:04] <infaddict> about £50 maybe?
[11:04] <craag> This one was funded by our faculty
[11:05] <craag> 2x Pi, 2x Picam, 2x NTX2B, 2x ublox chip breakout
[11:05] <fsphil> £300 for eagle
[11:05] <edmoore> ouch fsphil
[11:05] <infaddict> mmm
[11:05] <edmoore> let me get you a drink next conf
[11:05] <edmoore> can go 1% of the way
[11:05] <fsphil> lol thanks
[11:05] <Onlooker> yeah even non recoverables are going to be a couple of hundred £
[11:06] <fsphil> well I did get a picture of a field
[11:06] <edmoore> that's a rigol 1054
[11:06] <craag> eesh fsphil
[11:06] <fsphil> yes I could have had a 1054z instead
[11:07] <fsphil> I'm at a bit of a loss to explain the descent
[11:07] <fsphil> it was definitly filled correctly
[11:07] <fsphil> initial ascent rate was fine
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[11:08] <infaddict> well it got quite busy today for a while: https://www.dropbox.com/s/twqshiapp8pkg8u/Screenshot%202015-03-20%2009.53.19.png?dl=0
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[11:09] <number10_m0mdb> paload recovered
[11:09] <number10_m0mdb> y
[11:10] <craag> number10_m0mdb: woo \o/
[11:10] <number10_m0mdb> in a field with a few horses not far from road
[11:10] <craag> wow fsphil jsut looked at the altitude profile - weiiird
[11:10] <infaddict> good news number10_m0mdb
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[11:11] <number10_m0mdb> hopefully some footage from the onboard cameras
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> number10_m0mdb, Did you get a final landing position ?
[11:11] <number10_m0mdb> just about to head back leicester where dave will go through
[11:11] <number10_m0mdb> yes Geoff-G8DHE we were next to it when landed but just drove a bit past it so didnt see it land
[11:12] <number10_m0mdb> Upu: has fast motor
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> was it middle of that field with the trees ?
[11:12] <number10_m0mdb> no trees in field just horses
[11:12] <JFS1> Great work - my classes enjoyed following the action
[11:12] <number10_m0mdb> thanks
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[11:14] <Onlooker> good work there from all, enjoyed following today
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[11:14] <jcoxon> using ukhasnet we done science
[11:15] <jcoxon> calculated that the shadow was travelling at 0.8km/s between UK and Latvia
[11:15] <craag> :D
[11:15] <ibanezmatt13> awesome :)
[11:16] <jcoxon> (there was 31 minutes between dips in our 'sun' sensors and its about 1660km)
[11:16] <domojn> has everything ended?
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[11:16] <SpeedEvil> basically
[11:16] <domojn> :(
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[11:17] <SpeedEvil> Another will be visible in the UK around 2090 IIRC
[11:17] <domojn> I went outside to take pictures
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[11:18] <infaddict> theres a partial in 2026
[11:18] <infaddict> in Europe/UK
[11:18] <infaddict> August 12th
[11:18] <edmoore> usa 2017
[11:19] <edmoore> i know people are already planning habs for that
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> will it be a total one?
[11:19] <infaddict> yes
[11:19] <infaddict> in USA
[11:19] <infaddict> most states
[11:19] <infaddict> see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_21st_century
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[11:20] <ibanezmatt13> Excellent :)
[11:20] <infaddict> if you are willing to travel theres usually a total eclipse somewhere on earth every 2 years or so!
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[11:21] <edmoore> i think babs wants to do an actively pointed camera for that
[11:21] <domojn> Awesome, so of the baloons are near me :)
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[11:21] <infaddict> yep babs project for 2017 looks awesome
[11:22] Nick change: db_g6gzh -> dbrooke
[11:22] <edmoore> will certainly be the first really new thing for a while
[11:22] <edmoore> in habbing
[11:22] <fsphil> yep
[11:22] <fsphil> always good when that happens
[11:22] <edmoore> yep
[11:22] <edmoore> rare these days
[11:23] <edmoore> sending pics down and cracking long-term floating (at low alts) are about the other recent things i can think of
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[11:23] <edmoore> for which we have fsphil and leobodnar to thank
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[11:26] <edmoore> also no-one has flown a hab back to the launch point after burst yet
[11:26] <daveake> Upu reports payload recovered
[11:26] <daveake> They're on their way bacl
[11:26] <edmoore> automatically anyway, in ukhas
[11:26] <daveake> k
[11:27] <edmoore> awesome sauce daveake
[11:27] <daveake> Quite a relief :)
[11:27] <edmoore> pics onboard the sd card?
[11:27] <daveake> 4 HD video camera
[11:27] <craag> :)
[11:27] <infaddict> yep edmoore was just about to say, getting a hab back to somewhere would be on the list
[11:27] <daveake> I want to know wtf happened with the pi cams
[11:27] <daveake> sadwe ran out of time to fix, as you can imagine
[11:27] <daveake> ^sadly
[11:28] <infaddict> shame daveake but hopefully the HD vid will be amazing
[11:28] <daveake> yeah
[11:28] <daveake> main annoyance is .... not been fed ter
[11:28] <daveake> yet
[11:28] <edmoore> sort that
[11:28] <daveake> about to
[11:29] <infaddict> do a Jeremy Clarkson
[11:29] <edmoore> otherwise you'll do something silly on an empty stomach
[11:29] <daveake> lol
[11:29] <edmoore> got a bacon sarnie?
[11:30] Nick change: Hix2 -> Hix
[11:30] <daveake> cold ones
[11:31] <daveake> brb need something to drink
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[11:33] <craag> Thanks for showing the MAJORA pic daveake !
[11:35] <Othello> Is there a good majora picture?
[11:35] <domojn> When will the next mass decode be?
[11:35] <daveake> haha
[11:36] <daveake> They decided not to show *any*
[11:36] <daveake> But nobody told the girlie asking me questions
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[11:36] <edmoore> domojn, usually there are many more habs up in summer
[11:36] <edmoore> so the season is just beginning to start
[11:36] <edmoore> winds are usually better
[11:36] <domojn> awesome
[11:37] <edmoore> you'll have plenty to keep you amused over the coming months
[11:37] <fsphil> I have helium and a small balloon, I'll probably fly something else shortly
[11:37] <domojn> getting a bit sick of NOAA weather faxes
[11:37] <edmoore> :)
[11:38] <edmoore> balloons are more fun for sure
[11:38] <edmoore> shame we can't feed out data back into the forecast models
[11:38] <infaddict> domojn: saturdays and sundays already slowly getting busier for launches now
[11:38] <domojn> When they land in the sea/ocean, what happens then?
[11:38] <domojn> cool, thanks
[11:39] <infaddict> usually lost but there's been a few boat recoveries!
[11:39] <craag> daveake: So they actively didn't want to show any of the other pics?
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[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake, A couple of Object Movies one filled the other outlined only http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/STARGAZING_20150320/index.php?ind=8
[11:40] <daveake> cheers
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[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> shout if you want any other variations!
[11:41] <daveake> They thought it best to concentrate on the mapping
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> no problem!
[11:41] <craag> fair enough :)
[11:41] <daveake> Me after hearing the payload got recovered - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAibq-1W8AAlSv-.jpg
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> :)
[11:41] <craag> hehe
[11:41] <daveake> One of the guys here took that earlier with my mirror lens
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[11:43] <Andrew_M0NRD> Quick question about CAA approval form.. do the dimensions refer to just the balloon or the length of line below it?
[11:44] <daveake> balloon
[11:44] <daveake> I put down something like "1.5m diameter at launch"
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[11:45] <Andrew_M0NRD> thanks Dave ;-)
[11:45] <Andrew_M0NRD> throwing myself into the deep end in June.. gulp!
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[11:46] <edmoore> good Andrew_M0NRD :)
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[11:47] Action: myself grabs for a flotation device
[11:48] <Andrew_M0NRD> Club is running a special event station at The World Eggthrowing Championship on 28th June - I jokingly said I'll throw an egg into space.
[11:48] <Hix> http://static.ow.ly/photos/original/a1ntv.jpg
[11:48] <Hix> that one
[11:49] <edmoore> Andrew_M0NRD, pressure's on for a soft landing
[11:50] <dbrooke> hard boiled payload
[11:50] <Hix> ah, oops, wrong channel
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[11:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> hard boiled.. cracks under the pressure?
[11:51] <Andrew_M0NRD> all very eggciting and heard all the yokes
[11:53] <edmoore> i think there was quite a serious egg pun thread on here a while ago
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[11:58] <tweetBot> @fsphil: A brief summary of todays Eagle flight. #ukhas #lowaltitudeballoon http://t.co/1HYBbykILz
[11:59] <edmoore> fsphil, lock ness
[11:59] <edmoore> loch*
[11:59] <fsphil> lol so it is
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[12:10] <Vaizki> so how did the LoRas do today?
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[12:14] <domojn> 73 comrades
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[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LoRa didn't do to well at my end today at all :-( Seemed very unstable.
[12:26] <Vaizki> I went ahead and ordered a sdrplay also.. gotta catch them all! :)
[12:26] <Vaizki> they dropped the price to £99
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[12:27] <daveake> eclipse timelapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWG2Ff8tmcI&feature=youtu.be
[12:27] <Vaizki> or 149 euros for us continentals
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> many CRC errors, then realised it was showing quite a bit off freq. corrected that and it started copying but then still problems causing the Gateway program to crash every few minutes with odd codes.
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[12:27] <daveake> Yeah when things have calmed down I'll start doing some more lora test flights
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> daveake, does the gateway support both ports together ?
[12:28] <daveake> yes
[12:28] <daveake> independent settings
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK assumed so, just wanted to rule that out as a cause.
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> not really sure if the off freq. was a problem or if there was some other interference on the channel.
[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> nothing was visible on the waterfall of the SDR setup when looking at the LoRa signal
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[12:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> as interference so slightly bemused
[12:32] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUosO631gBQ
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[12:43] <dbrooke> Geoff-G8DHE-M: I've not seen any crashes. I was getting bad CRCs to varying degree. It seemed to decode OK at 0.8kHz reported frequency error. Hardware is a lash-up on a 'Slice of Pi' and just one channel.
[12:44] <mattbrejza> perhaps SF6 4/5 is the limit
[12:44] <mattbrejza> needs ARQ
[12:45] <dbrooke> I had better performance with you flight but I can't remember which mode I was listening on
[12:46] <mattbrejza> the slowest?
[12:46] <mattbrejza> was SF11
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[12:47] <dbrooke> I was listening to 20K8 SF 8
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[12:50] <mattbrejza> oh
[12:50] <mattbrejza> ah
[12:50] <mattbrejza> rather
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[12:54] <dbrooke> really need the ground station to track the mode changes to get a better comparison
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[13:10] <infaddict> Vaizki: good price
[13:11] <Vaizki> infaddict, yea the old price was a bit stiff compared to airspy.. but airspy doesn't do the HF bands without an upverter
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[13:17] <henryplumb> did rimmer and co. land right in the middle of a housing estate?
[13:18] <infaddict> Vaizki: what does it do that your other radio kit doesnt?
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[13:31] <Vaizki> infaddict, 100kHz-24MHz
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[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No it came down jusy outside in a field
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> dbrooke, OK I grabbed this screen image of the crash http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/STARGAZING_20150320/LoRa_crash.JPG and a second one here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/STARGAZING_20150320/index.php?ind=11
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> not really certain as to the cause of the problems however.
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[14:04] <dbrooke> Geoff-G8DHE-M: those "Sender ... Source" lines are supposed to be binary telemetry, which may have been detected in error (I didn't see any) but I'd have thought CRC would have failed on bad data
[14:05] <dbrooke> I'm guessing it crashed due to a lack of sanity checking on the bad data
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[14:06] <Upu> afternoon
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> Afternoon
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[14:06] <dbrooke> hello Upu
[14:06] <Upu> fun morning
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Indeed I haven't had a chance to look at the code yet but will be next on the list!
[14:07] <dbrooke> de-stressed now?
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hi Upu, did the cameras work ?
[14:07] <Upu> going through them now
[14:07] <Upu> all four worked
[14:07] <Upu> 47Gb per camera
[14:07] <Upu> so taking a few to copy them off
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[14:07] <infaddict> thats video right Upu?
[14:08] <Upu> yup
[14:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:08] <Upu> thx for sorting out ava
[14:08] <Upu> I was fastening that on as Dave was launching :/
[14:08] <daveake> much copying going on atm
[14:09] <daveake> lol
[14:09] <daveake> true
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[14:09] <infaddict> haha, nowt like last minute!
[14:10] <daveake> Buzz was having trouble getting a lock so Ava got added externally
[14:10] <daveake> Buzz was fine after launch
[14:12] <infaddict> yep good to have a backup plan
[14:12] <dbrooke> backup backup even
[14:12] <infaddict> general rule of live tv seems to be anything that can go wrong will
[14:12] <mfa298_> I suspect Ava was the backup backup plan
[14:13] <daveake> plan?
[14:13] <daveake> yup
[14:13] <Upu> mfa298 maybe correct I cannot confirm or deny
[14:13] <daveake> Sadly even Brian Cox couldn't postpone the eclipse
[14:14] <Upu> too many wires in the box after we added some last minute battery packs for the cameras
[14:14] <infaddict> mmm its one of those immovable deadlines we all hate
[14:14] <Upu> in the end Buzz locked
[14:15] <infaddict> hope the video gives something good anyway, was it running all the time from launch to land?
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[14:16] <mattbrejza> our gps wasnt great either :/
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[14:16] <Babs____> Does anyone know whether I am correct in assuming all of Upu's edge mount antenna eagle footprints are for 1.6mm thick boards?
[14:16] <Upu> they are
[14:17] <Babs____> Ahhh Upu - you will know best of all
[14:17] <Babs____> Thanks
[14:17] <mattbrejza> although the 1.2 edge mount SMAs will probably use the same footprint
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[14:20] <anerdev> hi guys
[14:20] <anerdev> there is anyone ?
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> everybody calming down after this mornings activities
[14:21] <craag> zzzzzzzz
[14:23] <anerdev> Hi craag =D I have a question about my ntx2 ... I don't understand why he do this
[14:23] <anerdev> the shift isn't stable ! I'm sending a screenshot
[14:23] <craag> I threw mine in the channel this morning.
[14:24] <craag> Helium-assisted throw
[14:26] <Babs____> That frequency will definitely be drifting now then craag
[14:26] <craag> :D
[14:27] <anerdev> http://imgur.com/3F5I5lW
[14:28] <henryplumb> :L
[14:28] <craag> anerdev: What are you driving it with?
[14:28] <anerdev> Arduino
[14:28] <craag> Ok, what circuit, PWM or resistors?
[14:28] <anerdev> using this http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:29] <anerdev> resistor
[14:29] <craag> Hmm. Have you configured the pin as an output?
[14:29] <anerdev> yes
[14:30] <anerdev> but the data is ok .. the problem is only the shift
[14:30] <craag> The shift at the top looks fine
[14:30] <anerdev> the red lines various continually
[14:30] <anerdev> isn't stable
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What receiver are you using to feed the signal to dl-dldigi ?
[14:30] <craag> The bottom 2/3 doesn't look like data
[14:30] <anerdev> sdr usb
[14:31] <anerdev> with a car antenna
[14:31] <infaddict> you have LSB set
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> can you zoom into the waterfall on that to see the shift ?
[14:31] <anerdev> http://imgur.com/YPIQiTC
[14:32] <anerdev> what's waterfall ? O.0
[14:32] <infaddict> waterfall is the blue/red/yellow bit
[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the program your using to drive the dongle, SDR# or wahetever ?
[14:32] <infaddict> that scrolls
[14:33] <anerdev> sdr#
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> can you show the zoomed in view of the waterfall on that ?
[14:33] <anerdev> on moment
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I'm wondering about the audio link from SDR# to dl-fldigi and any flitering that maybe switched on, noise reduction etc.
[14:34] <anerdev> http://imgur.com/TPaeziF
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> its very easy to have other things turned on that screw the audio
[14:35] <anerdev> Can i send to you a audio file ?
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That looks acceptable
[14:35] <infaddict> yer how are you routing audio from SDR# to the fldigi?
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[14:36] <anerdev> but I don't understand why the red line various in this way ... Is a temperature problem ?
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The shift isn't varying in SDR# it looks normal
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so it maybe a problem between the two programs on the audio path
[14:37] <infaddict> yep SDR# screenshot looks pretty good with fairly clean waterfall and equal shift. so problem might be between SDR# and fldigi.
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> check that there isn't any noise reduction, squelch settings turned on etc. in SDR# and dl-fldigi
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> noise blanker agc etc
[14:37] <anerdev> one moment
[14:37] <anerdev> uhmm
[14:37] <anerdev> I remembered now ...
[14:38] <anerdev> When I use Virtual Audio Cable
[14:38] <anerdev> during a video, for example, the audio go much faster
[14:38] <anerdev> than normal
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> can you turn on a VAC repeater so you can listen to the audio on the VAC pipes
[14:39] <anerdev> one moment
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that may give you a clue
[14:40] <anerdev> Geoff watch now: http://imgur.com/uLSchB8
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah now that is a problem!
[14:41] <anerdev> eheh
[14:41] <anerdev> where there is the "signle line" is this character |
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> do you have an oscilliscope to look at the drive to the NTX2 ?
[14:41] <anerdev> nope :/
[14:42] <infaddict> are you using arduino?
[14:42] <anerdev> yes
[14:42] <infaddict> which one?
[14:42] <infaddict> can u share your code?
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> can you put an earphone on the NTX2 Tx line to listen to it ?
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I think the problem is in the code however to be honest, I reckon that is the waveform going into the NTX2
[14:43] <anerdev> this is the actually antenna: http://imgur.com/P07Rrzk this is the NTX2 board made by me: http://imgur.com/jP4e2t1
[14:43] <anerdev> one moment, I posting the code
[14:43] <infaddict> arduino mega?
[14:44] <anerdev> arduino mega
[14:44] <anerdev> this is the code: http://pastebin.com/nGM2zG16
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[14:46] <anerdev> is the NTX2 broke ?
[14:47] <infaddict> code looks ok so far, still checking
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[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I doubt it
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that looks to me like the signal being fed to the NTX2 is the problem, it actually has that shape which is wrong!
[14:48] <infaddict> you are doing a lot in your main loop. all those things take time. DS18 temp readings can take nearly 1 second if set to high precision... GPS will take time etc.
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[14:48] <infaddict> SD write takes time etc
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[14:48] <infaddict> so your timing will be off in terms of TX
[14:48] <infaddict> as you are then using delay to try and get 50 baud
[14:48] <infaddict> and you are doing all of those things every single time thru the main loop
[14:49] <anerdev> but
[14:49] <anerdev> this problem show now !
[14:49] <infaddict> to prove this - try commenting out all the extra stuff and just try to TX a simple fixed string
[14:49] <infaddict> might not be the problem but worth a try
[14:49] <anerdev> because, for example 2 month ago there wasn't this problem ... all gone ok
[14:50] <infaddict> ok u didnt tell us that ;-)
[14:50] <anerdev> ok
[14:50] <anerdev> I load the simple code for the ntx2 with long string and check
[14:50] <anerdev> one moment
[14:50] <infaddict> yep go back to basics to prove if circuits and ntx2 ok
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[14:52] <infaddict> even so, i would still revisit your main loop logic. there is no need to ask for temp readings, gps readings, sd card stuff every single loop - that look runs at 16Mhz!
[14:52] <infaddict> a better approach is to ask for those things when you want them (e.g. every X seconds)
[14:52] <infaddict> then your main loop is not tied up doing other stuff
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[14:54] <anerdev> where is the old code for piloting with resistor ?
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[14:56] <infaddict> if its that page you're referring to, all the prev versions are here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2?do=revisions
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[14:59] <Upu> look like one of the Pi's had pictures
[15:00] <infaddict> anerdev: you can just use the latest code but change the pin number and remove the PWM code
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[15:01] <anerdev> ok ... With old code is all stable !
[15:01] <infaddict> ;-)
[15:02] <infaddict> that is at least good news
[15:02] <infaddict> hardware is good
[15:02] <jcoxon> Upu, any sneak preview pictures?
[15:02] <anerdev> is like this: http://imgur.com/1Rj4gWY
[15:02] <anerdev> ok .. the problem is the code ?
[15:02] <Upu> copying off now
[15:02] <infaddict> anerdev: what is that break in the middle? did it go wrong?
[15:02] <infaddict> Upu will BBC be showing any pics of vids of this stuff?
[15:02] <anerdev> infaddict watch there: http://imgur.com/pOpVEJE
[15:02] <Upu> hope so
[15:03] <infaddict> yep that would be great
[15:03] <Upu> don't think there is anything amazing tbh sorry
[15:03] <anerdev> infaddict in the middle of what ? The Arduino code ?
[15:03] <infaddict> in your waterfall, as its scrolling i see a small section where it went haywire
[15:03] <infaddict> does that happen all the time or was it a one off? your 2 parallel waterfalls should be nice and stable
[15:04] <anerdev> one moment
[15:04] <infaddict> seems to be decoding ok tho
[15:05] <anerdev> isn't stavle
[15:05] <anerdev> stable
[15:05] <anerdev> if need I can post a video of all
[15:05] <anerdev> a desktop recording
[15:05] <infaddict> ok is that also the case back in SDR# - can u send a screenshot of it going wrong there too
[15:06] <anerdev> what tab of sdr# ?
[15:06] <infaddict> showing waterfall
[15:06] <infaddict> need to prove if the issue is NTX -> SDR# or SDR# to fldigi
[15:07] <infaddict> if you see the same haywire waterfall in SDR# we know its before fldigi
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[15:07] <anerdev> infaddict http://imgur.com/kv3fJNm
[15:08] <infaddict> ok a lot better than before tho
[15:08] <mikestir> this gsm module your code refers to - is it on?
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[15:08] <Upu> just seen how many listeners were online wow
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[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Over 50,000 strings uploaded for Stargazing!
[15:10] <anerdev> mikestir yes
[15:10] <mikestir> anerdev: gsm?
[15:11] <mikestir> right. disconnect it
[15:11] <infaddict> the map was crazy busy: https://www.dropbox.com/lightbox/home/Screenshots
[15:11] <mikestir> see if the problem goes away
[15:11] <anerdev> yes
[15:11] <anerdev> one moment
[15:12] <mikestir> just disconnecting the power should be sufficient - gsm modems draw very large spikes of current. If your power supply isn't up to the job then it could easily be adding noise to the ntx control voltage
[15:12] <infaddict> yep i had similar thing with SD card drawing too much when writing
[15:14] <Upu> well images are darker than expected i.e in the shadow but nothing sun with eclipse
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :(
[15:14] <anerdev> one moment guys ...
[15:14] <anerdev> I'm using now a PC power ..
[15:15] <anerdev> in the jack of arduino ... and is the problem there is
[15:15] <anerdev> but if I swith in the usb
[15:15] <anerdev> the signal is much stable
[15:15] <infaddict> Upu is that the Pi images?
[15:15] <mikestir> anerdev: can you post a full schematic?
[15:16] <anerdev> this is now, without GSM and with jack power: http://imgur.com/ODHppWd
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The little steps in the carrier at the bottom, suggest noise on the signal and that often comes from the supply!
[15:17] <anerdev> this is now, without GSM and with USB power: http://imgur.com/T2Q2z2D the sound is much more acute
[15:17] <Upu> yes infaddict
[15:19] <anerdev> mikestir https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bycs4nsD1lNJeE9LS1ZOajd5aFE/view?usp=sharing
[15:19] <anerdev> page 10
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[15:22] <infaddict> definitely smells power related if you are seeing improvements after turning off GSM and changing power supplies
[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There are NO decoupling capacitors that I can see on your diagram, on the power lines ??
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[15:22] <mikestir> Geoff-G8DHE-M: beat me to it
[15:22] <anerdev> the problem is the Arduino Mega or the power ?
[15:23] <infaddict> yep need a clean power supply
[15:23] <anerdev> Geoff yes, there aren't
[15:23] <anerdev> but using the battery there is the same problem
[15:23] <anerdev> using duracell
[15:23] <mikestir> the first rule of playing with arduinos really needs to be "decoupling capacitors are not just for show"
[15:23] <anerdev> in the power jack
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need some small ones close to the devices and it would help to have a couple of larger 10-100uF around the supply lines
[15:24] <mikestir> I'd put at least 100uF at the source, _after_ the diodes
[15:24] <anerdev> I need to put capacitor before the power jack in the arduino ? what size ?
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[15:24] <mikestir> but in fact I'd get rid of the diodes and use a pack of AAs instead of paralleling PP3s
[15:24] <anerdev> after in the diode of Arduino ? O.0
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Doesn't matter about the power source, digital circuits have sharp edges, and track/wires are inductive hence you get noise from digital transistons causing lots of problems.
[15:25] <anerdev> ok ok ...
[15:26] <anerdev> but the solution are the capacitor ?
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to do some research on the use of decouping capacitors
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[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> here is one paper http://www.cypress.com/?docID=31807 but you need to read several
[15:27] <mikestir> anerdev: are those 9V batteries just for the siren?
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.capacitorguide.com/coupling-and-decoupling/
[15:27] <anerdev> the 9V battery are only for the siren
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[15:28] <anerdev> for the power now I'm using an old PC power
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.analog.com/media/en/training-seminars/tutorials/MT-101.pdf
[15:28] <anerdev> but for the balloon I will use 8 AA duracell battery
[15:28] <anerdev> Geoff thank you ... I'm reading
[15:30] <mikestir> the ground layout on your PCB won't be helping either
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It may not be the total answer, but I suspect it will be having a bad effect with none ;-)
[15:31] <anerdev> the strange things is that this problem appared NOW
[15:32] <anerdev> and I'm working on this from many months -____-
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[15:32] <anerdev> But can I do a drop with these circuit ?
[15:32] <anerdev> ://
[15:33] <mikestir> do you have access to an oscilloscope?
[15:33] <mfa298> my general rule with decoupling caps, if you think you might need one, stick one in (and I'm sure many others work to the same rule)
[15:34] <anerdev> today not, next week maybe yes
[15:35] <anerdev> I undestand that I need a decoupling caps. But before the power source ? What size and type ?
[15:35] <anerdev> guys thank you for the helping
[15:36] <mikestir> your decoupling caps should be as close to the thing being decoupled as possible
[15:36] <mikestir> in this case you could tag them directly to the underside of the board at the ntx2 pins
[15:37] <anerdev> in the ground of the NTX2 pins ?
[15:37] <anerdev> and size and type ?
[15:37] <mikestir> small 100nF ceramic
[15:37] <mfa298> around 100nf is a common value for decoupling caps
[15:38] <anerdev> perfect
[15:38] <anerdev> I go to buy ....
[15:38] <anerdev> and put in the ground of NTX2 ? Is correct ?
[15:38] <anerdev> in parallels on serial ?
[15:39] <mikestir> and put a 100uF electrolytic across as well. This could be further away if it's more convenient - tag it across the 4.7k resistor divider for example
[15:39] <mfa298> and next to anything else like that e.g. gps (however if you're using a gps breakout board that probably already has decouple caps)
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> All decoupling capaitors between ground and the supply lines close to a module or chip
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> in parallel with the supply
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[15:42] <infaddict> by starting out with breakout boards i've missed all of this pain. great info for when i progress to newer design tho.
[15:43] <mikestir> good example this of why arduino < 200-in-one tandy electronics kits :)
[15:43] <mikestir> because the latter actually taught electronics
[15:43] <anerdev> 100 uF electrolytics like this for the NTX2: http://imgur.com/Csd6RHU is ok ?
[15:44] <mikestir> yes
[15:44] <anerdev> perfect ...
[15:44] <anerdev> and same way in the GSM module power pin, is ok ?
[15:44] <mfa298> arduino just teaches how to copy and paste bad code
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Use 6v or 10v rating on electrolytic capacitors
[15:44] <anerdev> but this will resolve the problem ? Sure ? =D
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> for a 5volt supply
[15:44] <anerdev> I'm happy .. thank you
[15:45] <mikestir> will resolve it if you're lucky - certainly won't do any harm
[15:45] <anerdev> Geoff I will use 12V and I will put in the Arduino Power Jack
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> No it may not but it may stop very difficult to locate glitches that can cause problems.
[15:45] <anerdev> I can't use the USB port
[15:45] <mfa298> infaddict: one of the lessons to take when you move on from arduino boards is that what arduino say/do isn't always right.
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[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> for 12volt line use 15 volt capacitor, the thing is not to use a capacitor rated much higher than the voltage they will be used with.
[15:46] <mikestir> Geoff-G8DHE-M: what is your rationale behind that, other than saving weight?
[15:46] <infaddict> anerdev: i would also strongly recommend re-writing your main loop. you cannot do all of what you are trying to do in every single iteration of the loop.
[15:46] <anerdev> Ok, I will buy 100uF 15V electrolytic ... but if in the shop there is for 15V ?
[15:47] <mattbrejza> well with ceramic caps they lose their capacitance as you approach their rating (certian ones anyway)
[15:47] <anerdev> infaddict using mills ?
[15:47] <craag> And electrolytics dramatically reduce their lifetime
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Electrlytic capacitors use liquid inside them to form the insulation layer, if you run a capacitor much less than the rated voltage then the insulation layer will degrade and start leaking.
[15:47] <mikestir> mattbrejza: actually that is a very variable design parameter - some manufacturers that actually bother to spec dc bias characteristics their lower voltage ones actually perform better
[15:48] <infaddict> yes a common approach is something like : if (timeForGPS > millis() ) { getGPSdata; timeForGPS = millis() + 5000;}
[15:48] <mattbrejza> oh right
[15:48] <mikestir> however it is generally true
[15:48] <infaddict> so only get GPS data every 5 seconds for example. same approach can be done for any sensors or processing
[15:48] <infaddict> this frees up your main loop
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> choose a voltage about 10%-50% above the actual voltage it will be used at.
[15:48] <mikestir> didn't know that about under-volting Al electrolytics though
[15:49] <anerdev> perefct for the mills, thank you infaddict ..
[15:49] <mikestir> although I can't remember the last time I designed one into anything!
[15:49] <anerdev> but for the capacitor .. if in the shop there isn't the 15 V type can I buy with much volt ?
[15:49] <infaddict> anerdev: also suggest lowering the accuracy of the D18 sensors. they goto 4 decimal places and take much longer to return results. set to 2 or 1 decimal places for better speed.
[15:50] <infaddict> the library you are using supports that
[15:50] <anerdev> perfect perfect
[15:50] <craag> Err rather sure you've got that backwards Geoff-G8DHE, let me get a source though.
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[15:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> choose a voltage greater than the voltage it will be used at but not by much so 12 volt supply15v preffered, but 20 volt OK, 25 volt ok, but 30+ volt may fail late on.
[15:51] <anerdev> ok ok
[15:51] <anerdev> I'm going to buy now ...
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[15:51] <anerdev> 100 uF electrolytics
[15:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag ?
[15:53] <anerdev> thank you guys
[15:53] <anerdev> meet 30 min
[15:53] <anerdev> I'0m returning
[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> craag see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolytic_capacitor#Rated_and_category_voltage
[15:55] <craag> Yes... that would appear to support me.
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> With dry electrolytes i.e Tant's and similar its different but not with the majority of liquid based ones.
[15:56] <mikestir> mattbrejza: if you're interested, I did a little study into various manufacturers' small MLCC caps at work to arrive at some rules for usage. Basically we don't use 0402 > 1uF and only up to 3.3V for >100nF. For 0603 scaling by 10.
[15:56] <mattbrejza> hmm interesting
[15:56] <mikestir> outside those limits and the dc bias effects get really nasty
[15:57] <mattbrejza> i use 0603 upto 4u7, gets a bit pricy above 10u
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> See here as well http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/15700/selecting-voltage-rate-for-capacitors
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> "There are issues with too low a voltage too, especially with electrolytics. They work on a thin oxide layer on the alumimum. This can get degraded when there is no charge accross it."
[15:57] <mikestir> I've broken my own rules on 0402 but only with a note on the schematic that the design makes allowance for the effect
[15:59] <adamgreig> surprised you get such better results at 0603
[15:59] <adamgreig> they're not 10x bigger..
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[15:59] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: I'm yet to find *any* source supporting you, except that uncited stackoverflow answer :/
[16:00] <mikestir> it's really only a rule of thumb - I recall there being a lot of variation between manufacturers and even between series from the same mnf
[16:00] <adamgreig> do you care about the dc bias that much for decoupling caps?
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[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well from personal experience of about 15 years back a board I did for BT, had the 10volt electrolytics replaced with 50v ones, they failed within 6 moths due to degredation of the insulation
[16:01] <mattbrejza> only that it reduces the capacitance
[16:01] <mikestir> adamgreig: more for things like output caps on switching converters, where there is a need for high capacitance in smallest possible size
[16:01] <adamgreig> yea, sure
[16:01] <mikestir> that's when it becomes problematic
[16:01] <craag> Hmm ok. Most sources do suggest over-speccing, eg. http://jianghai-europe.com/wp-content/uploads/3-Jianghai-Europe-E-Cap-Voltage-Proof-AAL-2012-10-30.pdf
[16:01] <mattbrejza> so if your SMPS wants 10uF and you actually give it 4u7 then it might end up being sad
[16:02] <adamgreig> learnt that the hard way once
[16:02] <mattbrejza> analog are very helpful in their datasheets about discussing the issue
[16:02] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Got a paper referring to applying a voltage after more than 12 months without a charge applied, to 'heal' the capacitor.
[16:03] <mattbrejza> http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADP1607.pdf pg13
[16:03] <mikestir> Geoff-G8DHE-M: craag: thought I'd see if H+H had anything to say about capacitor selection. for electrolytics they just say "accuracy: terrible, temperature stability: ghastly, leakage: awful" :)
[16:03] <craag> sounds about right ;)
[16:04] <mikestir> not sure whether leakage is referring to current or electrolyte
[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Agreed on the latter!
[16:04] <craag> I built a ukhasnet node with a 470uF reservoir cap a while back
[16:04] <craag> Then calculated the cap drew twice as much current as the rest of the circuit :P
[16:04] <adamgreig> hah
[16:05] <adamgreig> i was recently looking at speccing caps for post-rectification on traditional sort of AC-DC power supplies
[16:05] <adamgreig> had previously vaguely imagined that you just give it a nice big capacitor so the voltage doesn't sag much based on your load current
[16:05] <adamgreig> but actually that rapidly leads to unpleasantness
[16:05] <adamgreig> in the end, swapped to smps :P
[16:07] <mikestir> adamgreig: I had an old audio PA with the PSU consisting of a massive torroidal transformer, a bridge rectifier and a pair of 10000uF caps bolted together on some busbars. turning it on at best made the lights flicker, or at worst would trip the MCB
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[16:08] <adamgreig> haha
[16:08] <adamgreig> the onrush current isn't the only problem
[16:09] <mikestir> heating due to ripple current through the caps
[16:09] <adamgreig> right, all the current to recharge the caps has to happen when the input cycle is above the cap bank
[16:09] <adamgreig> if the caps are huge, the voltage drops very little, all has to happen in a tiny fraction of the mains cycle
[16:09] <adamgreig> which saturates the transformer nine times out of ten
[16:09] <adamgreig> and then you get loads of heating
[16:09] <infaddict> question is, will it fix the guys problems or not haha ;-)
[16:10] <mattbrejza> i have a 500W torroidal transformer for something that if ever finished will probably be changed to a smps
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[16:15] <M6XiMaN> Hi peeps
[16:15] <M6XiMaN> Has anyone tried out one of these yet? The price is good: http://www.sdrplay.com/index.html
[16:16] <M6XiMaN> Seeing as my Nooelec dvb-t2 dongle has proven to be so dodgy, I'm in the market for a new sdr
[16:17] <pc1pcl> I think Vaizki mentioned ordering one earlier today, but I don't think it will have arrived yet.
[16:17] <adamgreig> huh, what's wrong with your nooelec rtl?
[16:19] <M6XiMaN> adamgreig: It is soooooooper temperature sensitive
[16:19] <M6XiMaN> Self-warming causes ridiculous amounts of drift
[16:19] <M6XiMaN> Needs a TCXO onboard to address that
[16:20] <adamgreig> interesting, ok
[16:20] <adamgreig> i have one but not really used it in earnest
[16:20] <adamgreig> have a selection of better SDRs too :P
[16:22] <Upu> get an Airspy or FCD
[16:22] <M6XiMaN> Well, Airspy is known to be good, but I heard the sdrplay was not far off and a fair bit cheaper now at 99 earth pounds
[16:24] <pc1pcl> also has HF which airspy doesn't have. May not be a factor of course.
[16:25] <infaddict> Yep vaizki just ordered a SDRplay but won't have it yet
[16:26] <infaddict> SDRplay starts at 100kHz vs 10Mhz of airspy i think
[16:26] <infaddict> but lots of other diffs of course
[16:27] <M6XiMaN> 8Mhz bandwidth too I believe
[16:27] <infaddict> yes
[16:28] Action: M6XiMaN is tempted
[16:30] <PeteBlackerThe3r> Hi everyone. Does anyone have any experience making their own GPS boards?
[16:31] <edmoore> yes
[16:31] <infaddict> M6XiMaN: there have been some reviewers not liking the plastic case or F connector. not sure if theyve changed them now.
[16:32] <PeteBlackerThe3r> I've have some trouble getting a uBLOX MAX-M8Q Module and chip antenna to pickup a signal
[16:32] <PeteBlackerThe3r> It's talking to my MC but doesn't see any satalites
[16:32] <edmoore> custom pcb?
[16:32] <edmoore> if so show a pic
[16:32] <PeteBlackerThe3r> Yup. It's a copy of the hab supplies nano board
[16:33] <edmoore> show a pic
[16:33] <PeteBlackerThe3r> give me a sec
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[16:34] <edmoore> top side and bottom side if poss
[16:35] <PeteBlackerThe3r> It's single sided, I don't think I have a picture of it assembled here but I have one of the tracks
[16:35] <edmoore> that'll do i guess
[16:35] <edmoore> or a screenshot of the pcb design
[16:36] <PeteBlackerThe3r> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9l6Qo3a1UVLV2tUdEE2Wko3d00/view?usp=sharing
[16:36] <PeteBlackerThe3r> here's a pic of the tracks just before etching
[16:37] <adamgreig> I take it that is single-sided copper?
[16:37] <PeteBlackerThe3r> Yes
[16:37] <Upu> you need to copy my board better next time
[16:37] <PeteBlackerThe3r> I've since made a 2nd board with a shorted straight trace from the antenna to the uBlox
[16:37] <edmoore> does that work?
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[16:38] <PeteBlackerThe3r> nope they both fail to pickup any satalites
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[16:38] <Upu> the trace from the chip antenna needs to be quite short and straight
[16:39] <edmoore> how have you tested them?
[16:39] <edmoore> outside?
[16:39] <edmoore> battery or linear power supply?
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[16:39] <PeteBlackerThe3r> inside and outside
[16:39] <Laurenceb> id expect it to do... something
[16:39] <edmoore> Upu, that trace should work
[16:39] <edmoore> it shouldn't not show anything
[16:39] <PeteBlackerThe3r> battery with a traco 3.3V switching power supply
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[16:39] <Laurenceb> hmmm
[16:39] <Laurenceb> maybe power supply noise
[16:39] <mattbrejza> have you managed to connect it to the pc and use ucenter?
[16:39] <edmoore> hmm, the traco might be a bit noisy
[16:39] <edmoore> without some filtering
[16:39] <mattbrejza> it shows satellites and stuff
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[16:40] <edmoore> but equally i'd expect it to get something still
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[16:40] <PeteBlackerThe3r> Okay. I can try it later on a lab power supply
[16:40] <PeteBlackerThe3r> what is ucenter?
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[16:40] <Upu> should work but its far from optimal
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[16:40] <edmoore> yeah ucenter is a good suggestion
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[16:40] <edmoore> it's just a bit of windows software that polls the gps for lots of things and displays them nicely
[16:40] <edmoore> good for debugging
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[16:41] <Upu> do you get time ?
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[16:42] <PeteBlackerThe3r> could I connect it through the Microcontroller if I echo the uart to and from the pc
[16:42] <M6XiMaN> infaddict: Yeah, the f connector is a bit of a pain, especially with the coax I have. I guess I could replace that of course.
[16:42] <PeteBlackerThe3r> no gps time
[16:42] <edmoore> sounds unhappy
[16:42] <edmoore> i'd get it onto ucentre (or poll the relevent messages) to see what the snr is for any sats it can see
[16:43] <infaddict> yep ucentre would also prove if you can send commands to it
[16:43] <PeteBlackerThe3r> I can send commands to it and get data no problem
[16:43] <infaddict> ah so just reception then
[16:43] <PeteBlackerThe3r> just not getting any gps signal
[16:43] <edmoore> have you been touching the antennas with your finger?
[16:44] <PeteBlackerThe3r> not while it's running
[16:44] <amell> back at mac now. how did the day go. just scrolled back and so much to take in!
[16:44] <edmoore> you might have static'd them
[16:44] <edmoore> the front end is very sensitive
[16:44] <PeteBlackerThe3r> I was grounded while assembling it, but I didn't ground the board itself
[16:45] <amell> looking through ssdv seems to be a lot of blurrycam - any good images?
[16:45] <PeteBlackerThe3r> I'll try with different power and have a look with ucenter
[16:45] <mattbrejza> amell: https://twitter.com/SUSpaceflight/status/578935876601929729/photo/1
[16:45] <PeteBlackerThe3r> Thanks everyone
[16:46] <amell> not bad. any high res ones from the payloads?
[16:46] <Ian_> Does the chip antenna sit on the end of the trace at one end and the little blip up the board a bit on the other - over a huge ground plane?
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> daveake is just tweeting some, but none of the sun so far.
[16:46] <craag> amell: Depends. How well can you swim?
[16:46] <amell> oh dear
[16:46] <mattbrejza> tahts cropped from a 5MP image, so is full res
[16:47] <mattbrejza> we never intended on getting it back unless it happened to be found
[16:47] <craag> Capturing the sun in good resolution, with a picam, is hard.
[16:47] <amell> i bet.
[16:48] <amell> what about the leicester balloons? looks like they stayed inland
[16:48] <craag> Live feeds didn't work.
[16:48] <daveake> Hard enough on the ground with a long lens
[16:48] <craag> But they got plenty now they've recovered afaik
[16:48] <amell> i couldnt see anything. thick cloud in chelmsford. but it did get noticably dark
[16:48] <PeteBlackerThe3r> ian the chip antennas connected at the top of the board with the marker dash on the end connected to the RF line
[16:48] <PeteBlackerThe3r> as per the datasheet
[16:49] <daveake> craag I think I know what happened to the live feed
[16:49] <craag> PeteBlackerThe3r: No shorts on the RF line to ground?
[16:49] <craag> oh?
[16:49] <daveake> Need to try something to be sure
[16:49] <daveake> however
[16:49] <PeteBlackerThe3r> nope I tested that when I soldered the uBlox
[16:49] <craag> k
[16:49] <daveake> a recent change put all the images in dated folders#
[16:49] <daveake> and without internetz it didn't know the date
[16:50] <daveake> it did save the images ok
[16:50] <Ian_> I did wonder why no one had picked up on it, that might well be the reason. I just thought to flag it in case it was a potential problem.
[16:50] <daveake> however the tracker side didn't see them
[16:50] <craag> hmm, is this on the github code and could this have caused it to stop transmitting mid-flight by any chance..?
[16:50] <craag> But then we would have expected telem instead I assume..
[16:50] <daveake> it's not in the master no
[16:50] <craag> ok
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[16:51] <daveake> We plugged both pis into monitor/power/camera/wifi when we got them back here
[16:51] <daveake> and they worked just fine
[16:51] <craag> ah
[16:54] <mfa298> at one time the Pi's were saving date/time to a file on shutdown (or from cron) so that had some idea of time when being rebooted (even though it was only carrying on from the last save)
[16:54] <mfa298> but I'm not sure if that's a standard setting now, I just ntp them all
[16:54] <daveake> yes it starts at last time/date I think
[16:55] <craag> yep
[16:55] <daveake> anyway justa guess ... I'll find out
[16:55] <daveake> so we have plenty of pix
[16:55] <daveake> and the video cams all worked
[16:55] <daveake> waiting for the HD to come back from the beeb
[16:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did they point at the sun ?
[16:55] <mattbrejza> 4? up; down; side; side+filter ?
[16:55] <Upu> y
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[16:56] <infaddict> hope they show some good stuff tonight
[16:56] <daveake> 1 up 1 down 1 side (but downish)
[16:56] <daveake> plus 1 filtered uppish at sun
[16:56] <infaddict> what cams were u using daveake
[16:56] <daveake> however just fleeting views of the sun I believe
[16:56] <daveake> ReplayXD
[16:57] <daveake> afk food
[16:57] <mattbrejza> perusmably if you take a frame youll get something similar to ours?
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[17:41] <anerdev> guys ...
[17:41] <anerdev> problem solved =D
[17:41] <anerdev> I putted the capacitor, but the problem was ..
[17:41] <anerdev> I use another mega and now there isn't
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[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[18:39] <number10> evening
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[18:41] <daveake> evening*
[18:41] <daveake> *I'm going on what everyone else is saying
[18:41] <daveake> I've lost track
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> could you watch the eclipse?
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> Osnabrück was shrouded in fog all the time
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[18:45] <mclane_> super nice weather here (Regensburg) - however I had a meeting @ work ;-((
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> oh :(
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[19:15] <tweetBot> @fsphil: At Lough Neagh, within sight of Eagles landing spot. No balloon, payload or signal spotted. #ukhas
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[21:27] <Flerb__> Well I just got put in an additional maths class - not sure what to think as it might help me with engineering bits
[21:27] <Flerb__> covers integration and stuff
[21:27] <Flerb__> differentiation
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[21:29] <fsphil> hab bit on bbc two now
[21:29] <mfa298> nice burst footage
[21:30] <edmoore> happy 50th daveake
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[21:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed look forward to the 51st!
[21:37] <edmoore> i like the idea that that's meant to be a satelite
[21:37] <edmoore> some rexroth extrusion and some alumised kapton
[21:38] <fsphil> cardboard antenna
[21:38] <edmoore> there we go
[21:39] <fsphil> heh, nearly punched him with the mic
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[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
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[21:58] <Flerb__> Looking at that free standing maths paper I'll probably end up sitting - it looks to go into quite a bit of depth. they are 2 hour exams and goes into bionomial expansion
[21:58] <Flerb__> division of polynomials
[21:58] <Flerb__> ets
[21:58] <Flerb__> *etc
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[22:16] <mfa298> interesting to see Jordrell Bank also had technical issues this morning
[22:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think lots of things had fun by all accounts!
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[22:58] <chrisstubbs> has anyone had more luck running dl-fldigi on the pi 2?
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[23:15] <Ian_> I guess that it wasn't that the problem was a difficult one, but the absolute deadline was a bit of a problem.
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[23:27] <daveake> 50'th was a happy accident
[23:27] <daveake> I thought it'd be my 49'th, but another launch gotb brought forward (the metro one earlier this week)
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[23:47] <amell> fsphil: did you find your payload?
[23:48] <fsphil> no trace of it
[23:48] <fsphil> just some suspicious looking swans
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[23:49] <bbjunkie> looking rather guilty? heh
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[23:50] <amell> bummer. just looking at the iplayer of this morning - presenters staring directly at the sun&!
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[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhh
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> not good :(
[23:56] <amell> daveake! at 30.40 into this http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05n2br2/stargazing-live-series-5-5-eclipse-live#group=p02llr6x
[23:57] <daveake> Never trust swans
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[23:58] <amell> daveake appears to be a consummate TV professional
[23:58] <daveake> I read that as "consumable"
[23:58] <daveake> which is probably more accurate
[23:58] <amell> you did fine, just watched you.
[23:59] <daveake> Also, BBC Radio Leicester grabbed me today for a short chat. Click on http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kvx16#auto … and jump to the 1:14:00 mark.
[23:59] <daveake> Radio is much better
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