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[07:19] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPICDX1 after 0310 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPICDX1
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[07:42] <Maxell> RevSpace RemoteRX QRV for EDUPICDX1
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[07:49] <oh3uw> Hello, any info on Venus1-5 balloon, frequency, mode etc?
[07:53] <Vaizki> I suspect it's a custom HF tracker being received in the US and uploaded to APRS through a gateway even though it has nothing to do with APRS on the balloon itself
[07:54] <Vaizki> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FVENUS1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[07:54] <Vaizki> that's the station uploading the position updates...
[07:57] <oh3uw> Oh, and it was a splashdown last Sunday... thanks!
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[08:20] <jededu> EDUPICDX1 is launching at around 10:00
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[08:48] <pc1pcl> Gmorning infaddict.
[08:49] <infaddict> morning pc1pcl
[08:50] <infaddict> lovely blue skies and sunny up here this morning
[08:50] <pc1pcl> Foggy here, hopefully it will clear up once the sun comes up a little higher.
[08:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK monitoring for EDUPICDX1, but going North might be a problem for me ;-)
[08:52] <UpuWork> if only there was someone up north who could recieve it
[08:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> You should be able to reach out and grab the string!
[08:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anyway time to grab some breakfast!
[08:57] <Maxell> jededu: EDUPICDX1, 10 UTC (So in about one hour?) :)
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[08:58] <Vaizki> !payload EDUPICDX1
[08:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Payload 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9) 03$$EDUPICDX1 - 03DominoEX-16 Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[08:59] <Miek> ooh something finally coming up north? :)
[09:01] <Vaizki> prediction looks more like due east
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[09:05] <Maxell> Miek: noes North no bueno
[09:05] <Maxell> !dial EDUPICDX1,
[09:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:05] <Maxell> !dial EDUPICDX1
[09:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): none
[09:05] <Maxell> o_0
[09:06] <infaddict> is there a list of the irc ! commands anywhere?
[09:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> !wiki irc_bot
[09:07] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[09:56] <Maxell> EDUPICDX1 up
[09:57] <Maxell> Oh negative
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[09:59] <LunarWork> hello
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[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah ha looks like its flying
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[10:06] <G0WXI> !dial EDUPICDX1
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03G0WXI: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.6483 MHz
[10:08] <Maxell> Yes now it's up :)
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[10:10] <jed__edu> EDUPICDX1 is up
[10:11] <Vaizki> congrats
[10:12] <Vaizki> is this a floater?
[10:13] <Vaizki> going up slow?
[10:14] <jed__edu> Vaixki hope so :)
[10:14] <jed__edu> Vaizki
[10:14] Action: dbrooke rebuilds dl-fldigi just-in-time
[10:14] Nick change: dbrooke -> db_g6gzh
[10:14] <jed__edu> Tried for .5m ascent but too windy
[10:15] <Vaizki> maybe someone can add a hysplit for it?
[10:16] <db_g6gzh> !dial EDUPICDX1
[10:16] <SpacenearUS> 03db_g6gzh: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.6483 MHz, 434.64875 MHz
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[10:18] <Vaizki> maybe the !dial command should also show that it's dominoex-16 only...
[10:20] <jed__edu> !payload EDUPICDX1
[10:20] <SpacenearUS> 03jed__edu: Payload 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9) 03$$EDUPICDX1 - 03DominoEX-16 Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03DominoEX with speed 0316
[10:21] <Vaizki> what float altitude are you aiming for?
[10:21] <Vaizki> I guess it will go pretty high at that rate
[10:23] <jed__edu> I would like 9.5k dont think it will make it tho
[10:23] <jed__edu> Its heavy 14g
[10:23] <Vaizki> battery charging up nicely
[10:23] <Vaizki> 36" party?
[10:24] <jed__edu> Yes
[10:25] <Vaizki> what kind of battery is that?
[10:25] <Vaizki> looks like an AA.. :)
[10:25] <jed__edu> AAA
[10:25] <jed__edu> Lithium
[10:25] <db_g6gzh> got it, it seems a while since I've heard DomEx16
[10:25] <jed__edu> Nice sound :)
[10:26] <Vaizki> oh ok so it's not solar powered, just one primary AAA?
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[10:27] <jed__edu> This one isnt solar just testing the code really see what happens when it gets cold, if ist successful the next one will be solar
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[10:28] <Vaizki> how long should it live?
[10:28] <jed__edu> Had some issues with timing BASIC is not the best for that
[10:28] <Vaizki> uhh right
[10:29] <jed__edu> 24 hours maybe more not much power saving
[10:31] <Vaizki> so you are pumping it up to 1.8v?
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[10:31] <Babs____> What solar panels are used that are that light ? I saw leobodnars which looked pretty tiny
[10:32] <jed__edu> Babs i use sundancesolar
[10:33] <jed__edu> 3.3v
[10:33] <jed__edu> Its a PIC
[10:33] <Vaizki> oh right. pic and basic.
[10:34] <db_g6gzh> I think I'd have gone for assembler rather than BASIC 8-)
[10:34] <jed__edu> Thats next :)
[10:34] <Vaizki> each to his own :)
[10:34] <jed__edu> Suits me and it works quite well
[10:35] <Vaizki> except timing? :)
[10:35] <jed__edu> Used an RTC
[10:35] <infaddict> good luck! floaters are something i'd like to get into after a few normal up and downers.
[10:35] <Vaizki> infaddict, you should be able to catch that flight on your receiver?
[10:36] <infaddict> i only have a tiny antenna at moment, but can try
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[10:36] <jed__edu> I think its going over your head infaddict
[10:36] <db_g6gzh> jed__edu: if you can do it RSID might be worth considering
[10:37] <jed__edu> Im still receiving it on a small mag
[10:37] <infaddict> !dial EDUPICDX1
[10:37] <SpacenearUS> 03infaddict: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.648 MHz, 434.6483 MHz, 434.648628 MHz, 434.076 MHz, 434.64869 MHz
[10:39] <Babs____> Presumably there is no barrier to launching a floater under 2 36 inch foils and still sitting under CAA approval metrics?
[10:39] <Babs____> If they sit flat side to flat side
[10:39] <edmoore> correct
[10:39] <edmoore> has been done
[10:40] <Babs____> Interesting
[10:41] <Babs____> I have been making a bare bones tracker to test general circuitry before going for the full motor driving eclipse photographing one but don't know how light it will be
[10:41] <Babs____> 1 aaa, ublox max 8, atmega and mtx 2 should be at most 25 grams I guess
[10:41] <edmoore> there might be something to be said for keeping some modularity
[10:41] <edmoore> i.e. a separate motor driver board and tracker
[10:42] <Babs____> That's what I have
[10:43] <Babs____> Sorry, should be more clear - the tracker board drives 2x PwM and a couple of temperature sensors so I can see how everything is behaving temp wise when there is no air to wick away the heat from the motors
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[10:43] <Babs____> But for the basic tracker I have just cut those components out
[10:43] <Babs____> I can test the bearing calcs etc in the smaller board
[10:43] <gonzo_> doubt this flight will get high enough for me to hear it this far south. Shame
[10:44] <Babs____> Then the pwm just links straight into an alexmos board
[10:44] <Hix> mornings!
[10:46] <infaddict> not getting anything from EDUPICDX1 yet but its heading up my way so will try again soon
[10:46] <Vaizki> and remember it's dominoex16
[10:46] <infaddict> yep
[10:46] <infaddict> the flight auto config thing does all that for me right?
[10:46] <infaddict> in dldigi
[10:47] <db_g6gzh> yes
[10:48] <Vaizki> yup, just tried it
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[10:53] <pc1pcl> infaddict: still under the horizon for you, see blue circle..
[10:53] <infaddict> yes. veering East too so might not see it
[10:54] <gonzo_> I have a feeling that it may not quite auto config for those modes, you had to go in and do some tweaking. (Or am I getting mixed up with Leo's contestia trsts??)
[10:54] <amell> i dont think ill get this one. wasnt expecting it to head north
[10:54] <pc1pcl> gonzo_: I think so, as contestia had no autoconf posibility show configured as dominoex I think.
[10:55] <Vaizki> whoaa something weird going on 433MHz around here :O
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[10:57] <Vaizki> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/433Mhz%20waterfall%20madness.png
[10:57] <Vaizki> anyone have an idea what that is? :O
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> MFSK
[10:58] <Vaizki> something is hopping over 700kHz of spectrum
[10:58] <Vaizki> isn't that spread a bit wide...
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> a trifle broad!
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03INFCU1 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=INFCU1
[11:00] <amell> seems i omitted to install gqrx on this mac :( compiling now...
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[11:01] <Vaizki> and have 2 cups of coffee
[11:02] <Jordan1> how do you upload your own payload- i'll be launching on the 19th and wanted to add it into the habhub :)
[11:03] <Vaizki> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[11:04] <Vaizki> you can test with just a payload document, then when you know exact time of launch and payload doc is finalized, make a flight doc and get it approved
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[11:05] <pc1pcl> Jordan1: see also http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 first part deals with this part of a flight.
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[11:10] <pc1pcl> infaddict: looks like it's about to come in range; of course depending on your setup nothing might be visibile on the waterfall for a while yet.
[11:10] <infaddict> yep all i have available is v small 6" antenna so not sure I'll get anything
[11:11] <infaddict> awaiting replacement connector otherwise I have a bigger whip i couldve used
[11:11] <infaddict> and real life getting in the way of finishing yagi
[11:12] <Vaizki> 6" magmount for 433MHz only?
[11:12] <pc1pcl> sattelite picture of the area seems promising, if you can get the antenna out in the open.
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[11:16] <pc1pcl> !dial INFCU1
[11:16] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:16] <pc1pcl> might need to turn your personal interference unit off..
[11:17] <infaddict> its just a crappy antenna that came with dongle that i am using for testing
[11:17] <infaddict> sry pc1pcl, dont understand what you mean?
[11:18] <pc1pcl> if your own tracker is beeping along, might make it harder to hear jededu's.
[11:19] <infaddict> ah right i get you
[11:21] <pc1pcl> also might be worth a try to rig something up to the bigger antenna, e.g some spare wire wedged between base and screwon little dongle=antenna and stick in the big antenna's connector as a makeshift adaptor pigtail
[11:22] <pc1pcl> put the littel antenna on a cookie sheet to act as ground plane. All kinds of fun experiments to see if you can improve reception. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoDXyfAUBQc
[11:23] <Vaizki> at least make the dvb-t antenna longer to get it on 433MHz..
[11:23] <navrac_2E0VKK> !dial EDUPUICX1
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> 03navrac_2E0VKK: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:23] <navrac_2E0VKK> !dial EDUPICDX1
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> 03navrac_2E0VKK: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.64803 MHz, 434.648702 MHz, 434.64865 MHz, 434.64857 MHz, 434.648 MHz, 434.6481 MHz, 434.6485 MHz
[11:27] <amell> which bus to the racecourse? wtf!
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[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Vaizki, Do you want your interference back ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/EDUPICDX1_20150311/Screenshot-2015-03-11-113228.png
[11:33] <Vaizki> haha
[11:34] <Vaizki> that's crazy
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> A trifle frustrating!
[11:35] <UpuWork> http://i.imgur.com/6OvLDtV.png don't launch on 434.200 etc.. :)
[11:38] <Vaizki> what are all those horisontal lines?
[11:38] <UpuWork> local interference
[11:39] <UpuWork> note over to the left thats the 433.900 bit where the bulk of ISM stuff sits
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[11:39] <junderwood> !dial edupicdx1
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.64803 MHz, 434.648746 MHz, 434.64865 MHz, 434.64857 MHz, 434.648 MHz, 434.6481 MHz
[11:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DIPERK1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DIPERK1
[11:46] <Vaizki> UpuWork, ok my waterfalls on ISM are much much cleaner
[11:46] <Vaizki> lucky me
[11:46] <UpuWork> very :)
[11:47] <UpuWork> then some inconsiderate HAM keys up : http://i.imgur.com/kIKynVw.png
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[11:49] <Vaizki> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/367935/ISM%20band.png
[11:49] <gonzo_> a 70cms repeater. Actually being used?!!!
[11:49] <pc1pcl> at least you could try and talk those AR=guys into QSYing, stupid wireless headphones, weatherstations etc won't listen for sure//
[11:49] <UpuWork> no idea
[11:50] <Vaizki> as you can see there's nobody on my 433MHz except a few weather stations...
[11:50] <gonzo_> apparently the powers are not licencing any more 70cm repeaters in built up areas, due to blocking probs with LPD
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[11:53] <G0ATW> Should be in range of the SDR in Cleethorpes soon http://www.radiogeek.co.uk/
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its there nice and strong
[11:59] <Vaizki> ha! I can decode it..
[11:59] <Vaizki> not keeping the client online though
[11:59] <Vaizki> otherwise map will show me receiving from Finland ;)
[12:00] <amell> still compiling gqrx here!
[12:02] <Vaizki> I decoded it off the web sdr
[12:03] <Vaizki> don't need gqrx for that :)
[12:03] <amell> ah but thats not the same!
[12:03] <Vaizki> well I'm in Finland...
[12:04] <amell> its on the websdr now. just seen it
[12:07] <pc1pcl> Yup, I have a few dropouts messing with decoding here, but in principle works to decode via the websdr. Just have to wait for it to float over so the real radio has a chance too.
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[12:19] <PE2G> !flights
[12:19] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 030x05 - Pico Flight 10(bc43), 03SP9UOB - 144.250 MHz (434,500 where ham not allowed) 10(b615), 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9)
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[12:20] <PE2G> !dial c1d9
[12:20] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 0313.999881 MHz, 434.64865 MHz, 434.648872 MHz, 434.65 MHz, 434.648447 MHz, 434.6483 MHz, 434.648 MHz, 434.64803 MHz
[12:20] <pc1pcl> PE2G: will take a while before it floats over here.
[12:22] <PE2G> tnx, pc1pcl
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[12:24] <PE2G> Speed currrently is 63 km/h
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[12:40] <PE2G> !hysplit c1d9
[12:40] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
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[12:43] <PE2G> !hysplit EDUPICDX1
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[12:46] <Vaizki> an admin needs to add it
[12:47] <PE2G> OK
[12:50] <PE2G> Seems in a descent now
[12:52] <lz1dev> !hysplit add EDUPICDX1
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03EDUPICDX1 to defaults
[12:52] <lz1dev> !hysplit run EDUPICDX1
[12:52] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[13:00] <pfy_> !dial EDUPICDX1
[13:00] <SpacenearUS> 03pfy_: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.076 MHz, 434.64861 MHz, 434.649088 MHz, 434.64915 MHz, 434.648447 MHz, 434.6485 MHz, 434.6483 MHz, 434.649066 MHz, 434.64879 MHz
[13:01] <Vaizki> at least on the websdr the base frequency seems to be drifting some between transmits
[13:01] <Laurenceb> can someone explain modified allan deviation?
[13:02] <Laurenceb> if its e.g. 10^-9 over some interval, does that mean expectation value of fractional frequency error is 1 in 10^-9 over that interval?
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[13:03] <jed__edu> Could be another swimmer or in cloud/rain its been down to 2k before over the sea
[13:04] <pc1pcl> Vaizki: I think we've seen that happen with the edupics before when they get in a colder environment, esp. when not sending back to back.
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[13:05] <pc1pcl> jed__edu: let's hope it's not leaky but some ice that might just melt off again if it comes a bit lower/warmer
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[13:10] <Vaizki> right now I got a shift of 50Hz between 2 transmissions
[13:10] <Vaizki> what radio is it using? radiometrix?
[13:10] <Vaizki> or sil?
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[13:10] <PE2G> !hysplit EDUPICDX1
[13:10] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: HYSPLIT for 03EDUPICDX1 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/150311-12_168941_EDUPICDX1.gif
[13:11] <PE2G> Tnx, lz1dev
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[13:15] <Vaizki> I'll root for the pink one over Finland ;)
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[13:16] <infaddict> hey guys, getting a feint signal around 434.519, wondering if its EDUPICDX1
[13:17] <infaddict> !dial EDUPICDX1
[13:17] <SpacenearUS> 03infaddict: Latest dials for 03EDUPICDX1 10(c1d9): 03434.076 MHz, 434.64861 MHz, 434.648932 MHz, 434.64915 MHz, 434.648447 MHz, 434.64879 MHz, 434.6483 MHz, 434.6485 MHz, 434.648966 MHz
[13:17] <pc1pcl> could be, depending on how 'off frequency' your dongle is.
[13:17] <infaddict> yep
[13:18] <infaddict> i see feint waterfall in Gqrx but nothing strong enough to show up in fldigi
[13:18] <pc1pcl> compare the signal you see with what's on the radiogeek sdr?
[13:18] <infaddict> what is radiogeek sdr (sry new to all this ;-)
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[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its a remote radio you can connect to and listen on
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> click the link, select 435MHz band
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> select USB & wide to start with
[13:19] <pc1pcl> http://www.radiogeek.co.uk/
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> drag the filter icon to 434.650
[13:20] <Vaizki> or enter it in the box...
[13:20] <pc1pcl> (max in) button to zoom in and see what you're doing.
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Then drag the sides of the filter for a tight fit to the signal
[13:22] <pc1pcl> signal isnot there backtoback, just finished a senetence.
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Were all watching now 8
[13:23] <infaddict> yer gaps
[13:23] <infaddict> aha there it is
[13:25] <pfy_> ty Geoff
[13:25] <pc1pcl> so that is what you're looking for; slightly different than the 'usual' rtty.
[13:27] <infaddict> yes "chirpier"!
[13:27] <infaddict> i dont think this signal i am picking up is it. 1) its constant and doesnt stop/start... 2) sound is very weak and hard to hear
[13:28] <Vaizki> it's a whale
[13:28] <Vaizki> uhf whale :)
[13:29] <infaddict> lol
[13:30] <infaddict> maybe my 1/4 wave magmount isnt good enough to pick it up
[13:31] <infaddict> i'm on the edge of the blue circle too
[13:31] <infaddict> brb
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[13:35] <pc1pcl> still going down :(
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[13:37] <infaddict> mmm slowly
[13:40] <infaddict> what is this HYSPLIT display on the tracker?
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its the NOAA wind tracker
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> its designed for floating type things including ballons, whilst
[13:42] <pc1pcl> predictionensemble based on winds at altitude, better for 'floaters' than the 'up pop down' one.
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the CUSF predictor is designed for Up/Down flights both use the same data
[13:42] <Vaizki> infaddict, did you make it into a 1/4 for 433Mhz?
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[13:43] <infaddict> Vaizki: my replacement BNC to MCX arrived at lunchtime so was able to connect proper 1/4 433 magmount
[13:43] <Vaizki> ah
[13:43] <infaddict> picked up 2 feint signals around 433-434 but nothing that looked like dominoex
[13:43] <infaddict> of course, the antenna was just stuck on a picnic table in garden
[13:44] <pc1pcl> ok, that is probably expecting to be magmounted to the top of a car, so put it on top of something metal
[13:44] <infaddict> damn wife is out in car ;-)
[13:45] <infaddict> let me see if i have a metal box or something
[13:45] <pc1pcl> bakingsheet from oven, old computer tower side panel.. Time to get creative.
[13:46] <gonzo_> put the antenna on any metal thing, even a biscuit tin will help. Amnd get it up as high as poss, an upstiars window can work (as long as its facing the balloon and if it's a coated window (lots of sealed units ar) you mak have to opekn it wide
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> To be honest at ground level your not going to get much coverage!
[13:46] <pc1pcl> (checked continuity of the cable with new adapter? maybe try to receive your own tracker again as sanity check)
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[13:48] <pc1pcl> if it survives and goes up and out over the ocean, might also make it easier to receive where you are..
[13:48] <infaddict> yep own tracker nice and strong with new cable adaptor, so its working
[13:48] <infaddict> sadly i live in bungalow lol
[13:48] <Vaizki> cut down all trees around you
[13:48] <infaddict> can go in loft but not sure how much roof tiles block out!
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You have a good takeoff out to sea however looking at the Sat views
[13:49] <pc1pcl> might walk down to the beach, if it is as close as it seems from peeping at the satimage
[13:49] <infaddict> yer 2 min walk to cliffs
[13:50] <infaddict> and open signal over sea
[13:50] <infaddict> its heading slightly south now tho so gonna lose the blue circle soon
[13:52] <pc1pcl> pity it's not staying up, as the height really woudl have helped for your receiver to see it.
[13:52] <Vaizki> also coming down which is shrinking the circle
[13:53] <Vaizki> looks like it might wash up on your beach though :P
[13:54] <Laurenceb> are we squaring the circle?
[13:54] <infaddict> i have 45 mins before next meeting. need to decide whether to dash out to the cliffs with a biscuit tin and laptop!!
[13:54] <pc1pcl> last few telemetry datapoints had it going up again
[13:56] <Vaizki> and it's actually going northeast, not south
[13:56] <infaddict> yep agreed
[13:58] <Vaizki> maybe it's warmed up again and floats now...
[13:58] <infaddict> colder sea air tho
[13:58] <pc1pcl> would have been nice if you had the Yagi, should be able to get it from on those cliffs then.
[13:58] <infaddict> would the magmount not work from the cliffs?
[13:59] <gonzo_> yes
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You are visible from Balloon to your balloon http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/EDUPICDX1_20150311/EDUPICDX1%20to%20INFU.jpg
[13:59] <Vaizki> but grab a groundplane
[14:00] <infaddict> i have a baking tin that the magmount is sitting on - only thing i could find lol
[14:01] <infaddict> ok only got 30 mins so gonna take a quick walk!!
[14:01] <pc1pcl> good hunting.
[14:02] <Vaizki> I'm just going to sit here for 40 hours and wait for it to swing (swim) by
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[14:05] <Rigel> A question please... what changes do I need to make to the burst/prediction calculator for either a zero pressure or superpressure envelope...
[14:06] <adamgreig> the burst calculator does not cope with zero or superpressure envelopes
[14:06] <adamgreig> clue is in the name really
[14:06] <adamgreig> they don't (shouldn't) burst
[14:06] <adamgreig> for the predictor, you can set the 'burst altitude' to the target float altitude of your balloon, and set a very small descent rate to simulate some amount of float (we're working on making this easier)
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Looks like its almost floating againEDUPICDX1 http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/EDUPICDX1_20150311/index.php?ind=5
[14:08] <Rigel> any other calculator you might suggest for zero or superpressure?
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Use the NOAA Hysplit for when its got to the working height
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajtype.pl
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to make the right choices on several of the pages
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> GFS for the Metreorology on second page
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Isobaric for vertical motion
[14:12] <adamgreig> Rigel: at the moment those are in the sufficiently-advanced category that I guess the hope is you can work out the important mechanics yourself
[14:12] <adamgreig> like, what sort of information do you have? are you making your own balloon?
[14:12] <adamgreig> i'll add superpressures and zeropressures to the calculator wishlist tho
[14:14] <Rigel> Thanks for answering back... yes... making a custom nylon 55 cuFt bag with a 1.5 lb payload...
[14:14] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1.5 lbs = 680 g
[14:15] <alxwntr> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ZhzFb9a2gsN1ktRWVRNllGLXc/view?usp=sharing
[14:15] <alxwntr> dunno if that's any use
[14:15] <alxwntr> but it might be a start
[14:15] <alxwntr> to give you an idea, etc
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[14:15] <alxwntr> I knocked it up the other day just because I was wondering about those things
[14:16] <alxwntr> (it's a .ods, so might have to check the formulae work right with excell
[14:17] <Rigel> actually... 681g = 1.5lb... thank you... as we say in US...
[14:17] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1.5 lbs = 680 g
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[14:18] <alxwntr> :) the bot is arguing with you
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[14:22] <Rigel> wow... thanks for Floaters.ods... can you tell me where I might get the spreadsheet on this?
[14:23] <alxwntr> The spreadsheet?
[14:23] <alxwntr> that's th
[14:23] <alxwntr> the file
[14:23] <alxwntr> hopefully you can download it from the link
[14:23] <alxwntr> does it not work?
[14:24] <Rigel> yes... it looks like a spreadsheet to calculate the outer columns...
[14:25] <alxwntr> not sure what you mean...
[14:25] <alxwntr> sorry
[14:25] <alxwntr> Floaters.ods is a spreadsheet
[14:25] <Rigel> I can see the file/picture... very outer column cut off...
[14:25] <alxwntr> no, that's just a preview
[14:26] <alxwntr> click the download icon
[14:26] <alxwntr> top-centre
[14:27] <alxwntr> open it in openoffice if you can
[14:27] <alxwntr> or, if you have to convert to MS, check that the formulae are right
[14:32] <Rigel> thnx... working on it...
[14:33] <amell> interesting profile for edupic. is it ice again?
[14:33] <amell> seem to recall a profile like this before...
[14:34] <amell> is it a 4K float with a load of ice attached?
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[14:34] <amell> temp is a bit on the high side for ice
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It is now it wasn't when it was dropping!
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Look at the graph along the bottom
[14:35] <amell> yep. strange
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the dip corrospnds with the coolest temp
[14:36] <amell> Im sure theres a perfectly logical explanation, somewhere
[14:36] <amell> yes, but its still not really low enough for ice is it
[14:36] <amell> how is the cloud cover out there at the moment
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> -3 is to high for ice ?
[14:37] <amell> that -3 was half way the way down.
[14:38] <amell> at the peak alt the temp was 7.5C
[14:38] <amell> oh, unless it flew into a cloud.
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It started dropping after the little peak - moisture, then froze perhaps ?
[14:39] <amell> well seems to be upwards again now. Wonder what happens at dusk...!
[14:39] <jed__edu> Oh it survived then :)
[14:43] <jed__edu> The DominoEX transmission seems ok that's all I wanted to test really :)
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sounds good via the WebSDR
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> did you get anywhere with the RSID ?
[14:45] <Rigel> well... got the ods translator/converter for MS Excel... installed it... opened the ods... nearly perfect... just need to modify the vlookup calcs and desk check the formulas... big big help... thank you gentlemen.
[14:48] <alxwntr> hey, you're welcome
[14:48] <alxwntr> I just knocked it up to satisfy my curiosity
[14:48] <alxwntr> glad it could be useful
[14:49] Nick change: fl_0 -> fl_0|afk
[14:50] <Rigel> can a yank join this forum? I'm doing aprs 144... but could switch to 434 over europe...
[14:50] <UpuWork> Yank ? Hmm
[14:50] <infaddict> lol
[14:50] <UpuWork> we let them in occasionally
[14:50] <UpuWork> as long as they aren't too loud
[14:51] <UpuWork> welcome Rigel :)
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> from us all
[14:55] <Rigel> will register... you seem to be quite affable/knowledgeable chaps... signing off ahhh... our RC Modeling site: http://www.jupiterspacestation.org/rcmodeling
[14:56] <infaddict> no luck on the cliffs guys. nice view, but windy and cold. just the same 2 feint signals humph. http://imgur.com/pjoEBXS
[14:57] <eroomde> rain due to arrive here any minute
[14:57] <infaddict> yep i had to pack up when a shower came in
[14:57] <eroomde> ironically as we're about to do some water-flow tests on the engine
[14:58] <pc1pcl> looks nice, pity only meteorological spring has arrived so far.
[14:58] <eroomde> it's been quite warm down here
[14:59] <eroomde> and there are lots of springy flowers along the thames path
[14:59] <pc1pcl> Had a few nice days, but as soon as out of the sun it's chilly here.
[15:00] <infaddict> gonna try and finish yagi tomorrow so might catch daveake's flight on Friday if I can find it from up here
[15:00] <infaddict> is there a better way to finding signals than my approach which is to essentially look for peaks/waterfall lines whilst zoomed out then zoom in to examine them? and repeat across frequencies.
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[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Select the frequencuy and zoom in
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so you can see about 20KHz until you see the signal on the w/f
[15:01] <infaddict> yep. my dongle is a bit off so i am starting a bit wider until i nail exactly how far off it is (i can then enter an adjustment in Gqrx)
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Tune into a normal FM station look up its freq. and then apply correction till its centered on the right freq.
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[15:03] <infaddict> mmm good idea. iirc FM local stations were pretty much spot on. but my NTX2 is off, but it could be the NTX2 and not the dongle i suppose.
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or if you wnt greater accuracy find the local FM repeater same methd but as its 4 or 5 times the freq. it will be more accurate
[15:04] <pc1pcl> could also use a PMR446 'walkie talkie' as a frequency reference.
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> trouble with a very strong signal is overload
[15:06] <infaddict> yes, how do i recognise overload Geoff-G8DHE-M ? i do see a much stronger signal with my 1/4 wave than my mini antenna.
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It can vary but normally a spreading of the signal and an increase on the noise level
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> across the whole band. also many smaller peaks will start to appear from mixing products
[15:07] <infaddict> yes i see "mirrored" slightly weaker signals either side with the 1/4 wave
[15:07] <infaddict> but not with smaller antenna
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[15:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/NASAHDTV
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> SLS booster test in ~15-20mins
[15:12] <Babs____> Basically a massive firework
[15:12] <Babs____> Hopefully without the end explosion
[15:12] <Babs____> When is the next Space x landing attempt? That is far more thunderbirds
[15:13] <Babs____> He totally needs to have a load of palm trees on the launch platform that fold back when the rocket approaches
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> IIRC April
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> April 10?
[15:13] <Babs____> Cool
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> There is a spacex launch between now and then, and possibly a static fire test of the dtragon capsule
[15:18] <jed__edu> Geoff-G8DHE I still need to work out the RSID
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OK just wondered how it waas going really! However the stability of the current flight is very good
[15:22] <Vaizki> shame it will die so soon
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[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Darn it missed the SLS test :-(
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE-M: It diddn't explode, and seemed to basically work
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I guessed as much by the smiles on the PR faces afterwards ;-)
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> Fun fact - SLS up to first launch costs enough to launch 11000 tons of payload on commercial satellites
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> ^launchers
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[15:52] <fxmulder> and worth every penny
[15:54] <eroomde> ...
[15:54] <eroomde> although dev costs are always massive and a bit unfair to compare to repeat flight costs
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Quite.
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> I would totally agree and it would have my wholehearted support if it was going to then go on to provide cheap routine access to space.
[15:55] <fxmulder> that's what the commercial sector is for
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[15:57] <fxmulder> and new technology developed during the process will help spawn that among other things
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> Many aspects of the SLS program are not at all developing new technology at all.
[15:57] <eroomde> sadly agreed
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> There is nothing whatsoever in the solid booster program that can remotely help reusable spacecraft.
[15:58] <eroomde> it's a solved problem
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> Other than unrelated to the actual booster bits of that program of course.
[15:58] <eroomde> doing a conventional expendable rocket
[15:58] <fxmulder> I'm still waiting for someone to figure out how to unbend space/time
[15:59] <eroomde> in the mean time we're working on re-usable launch vehicles
[15:59] <eroomde> as a stop gap between expendables and bending space-time
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[16:01] <staylo> Find your nearest Einstein-rosen bridge, remove keystone. Job done.
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[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its going to get wet again http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2015_Flights/EDUPICDX1_20150311/index.php?ind=5
[16:42] <G0ATW> Signal starting to fade on WEB SDR
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> its getting quite low
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> didn't copy that one
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[16:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> I thenk that's about it ......
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[16:52] <Ian_> Impressed that radiogeek.co.uk Cleethorpes websdr was producing signals that could be decoded well into the noise floor. Many thanks RadioGeek
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[16:54] <Ian_> Interesting also that apparently the different tones suffered a different level of attenuation as the received signal level dropped. Nothing new, but graphically visible through the signal strength plot.
[16:54] <Ian_> Shame about the restricted distribution policy of the websdr software.
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[16:58] <G0ATW> 73s thanks for the flight....
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[16:59] <SSCLegs> Afternoon guys
[17:00] <SSCLegs> Please remind me how to submit details about an upcoming flight so it can be tracked in the HABHUB tracker?
[17:00] <Vaizki> ian, i have been wondering about that .. seems to be quite common with ham software that they may be free but tightly controlled
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[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need to generate a Payload document to start testing the payload at http://habitat.habhub.org/
[17:01] <pc1pcl> SSCLegs: http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1732 for a full review, but basically, payload doc, flight doc.
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> and then when its all working and the Flight date etc is confrmed then a Flight Document which LOCKS it all in place
[17:02] <Ian_> Yes Vaizki , I think that you have to put up a case and promise a public radio, which isn;t in itself such a bad thing of course. Certainly a nice bit of software as far as I'm concerned.
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[17:03] <Ian_> Many thanks Edupic for the interesting flight. Here's hoping that the package makes landfall somewhere.
[17:03] <SSCLegs> Thanks guys
[17:04] <Vaizki> ian, at 14 grams...
[17:05] <Ian_> Ok, I don't always do the right thinking, but maybe someone could find it and become another HAB enthusiast as a result.
[17:06] <Ian_> Better than getting trawled up by John West . . .
[17:06] <Babs____> If they are trawling in and around the plaice where it landed that is certainly a possibility
[17:06] <Ian_> Or becoming a Skipjack HAB sandwich
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[17:07] <Babs____> Cod hope that it doesn't end up in one of their cans of tuna
[17:07] <Ian_> More likely to choke on the puns than a spent HAB package
[17:07] <Ian_> :)
[17:07] <Ian_> Respect for traditon though
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[17:20] <storm_> hi guys, has anyone seen this bug on the habhub tracker before (http://pasteboard.co/1JigyBPw.jpg, left colume with the active flights not showing up)
[17:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes you have used CTRL+- to change the scale in FF
[17:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Use CTRL0 to put it back or ctrl+- as required to resize it
[17:23] <storm_> oh that is unexpected, THANKS
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[18:00] <jededu> Did anybody have any problem decoding EDUPIC
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[18:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope
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[18:04] <jededu> Good I thought the temp change would affect it shame it diddnt get colder
[18:04] <jededu> Still next one is ready :)
[18:09] <storm_> jededu: do you have a project documentation online, couldn't find anything in the wiki
[18:10] <jededu> No I havent put anything up I should really
[18:14] <Vaizki> jededu: I only looked on from the web sdr and it did sometimes wander by about 50Hz between sentences
[18:14] <Vaizki> not sure if that's the payload or the websdr
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[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:02] <Ian_> Vaizki I noticed a short period of frequency shift low in frequency at around 30 minutes + before LOS when the signal was still around -93dB.
[19:02] <Ian_> Evening Sven
[19:02] <Ian_> Shortly after the signal strength improved before entering it's final slide into the noise.
[19:04] <Ian_> I did copy three sentences to file for my later testing as a source of a good signal from the websdr.
[19:04] <Ian_> Websdr is a good fallback and half way house to a personal station. Another good utility tool in the box of tricks.
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[19:06] <DL7AD> ?
[19:07] <Ian_> Got the name wrong or misinterpreted the conversation destined for Vaizki - you are normally so on the ball :)
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[19:08] <DL7AD> evening
[19:09] <Ian_> Good evening
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[19:45] <Vaizki> huh? :)
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[20:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG5FKB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG5FKB-11
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[20:52] <Ian_> Ha ha, Vaizki that was Sven that is normally so on the ball ! :)
[20:52] <Ian_> Classic crossed lines eh!
[20:53] <Vaizki> well I am definitely off the ball
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[21:43] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF7RCV-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF7RCV-11
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[22:50] <DL7AD> is any of the eagle guru's here?
[22:51] <DL7AD> i have an DRC error which has to do with the width of wires.
[22:52] <DL7AD> eagle is marking all my wires as to be too thin
[22:53] <DL7AD> http://puu.sh/gwqtN/227a073feb.png
[22:54] <DL7AD> http://puu.sh/gwqw8/7347163593.png
[22:55] <SA6BSS> put a stream up of 434.650 if anyone cares to listen for edupic, yagi pointed to Norwas south tip, could be in range in a couple of hours, if it survived the fall http://micked.no-ip.org:50217
[22:56] <DL7AD> SA6BSS: is this ssb?
[22:57] <goopypanther> what units is the board being measured in?
[22:58] <DL7AD> millimeter
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[22:59] <DL7AD> if I'm creating a wire of 0.21mm it's okay for eagle. just not 0.2mm which is strange
[22:59] <DL7AD> the same to all my vias
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[22:59] <DL7AD> 0.3mm is not okay while it acceps 0.31
[23:00] <goopypanther> weird
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[23:01] <DL7AD> goopypanther: i could even set the value to 0. it will be still marked as an error
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[23:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SUSF after 034 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUSF
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