highaltitude.log.20150306

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[00:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/557619-sky-news-reporting-runway-excursion-dl-md-80-a-2.html - of the plane that almost slid into the water recently:
[00:15] <SpeedEvil> Listening to CNN earlier today - they conducted a telephone interview with a passenger who attempted to use the restroom as the plane was being evacuated. He told the newscaster that the pilot told him the bathroom was locked and that he had to exit the plane. I'll try to find the interview.
[00:16] <Laurenceb_> lulwut
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[00:39] <Kalchar> can i get location data via I2C on a ubloxM8 module?
[00:41] <Kalchar> if so does anyone have experience reading said data, preferably using python.
[00:42] <Kalchar> a PM would be appreciated if anyone does. cya later
[00:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SUSF - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=SUSF
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[01:10] <fxmulder> All protocols are available on UART and DDC (I2C compliant). For specification of the various protocols see the u-blox M8 Receiver Description Including Protocol Specification
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[04:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HAB-11
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[04:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03vk2hab_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=vk2hab_chase
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[05:39] <cambazz> well, after all nights work I made the VC0607 camera a.work with energia b.work from 9600 to 155200 bauds c. make it work reliably, i.e. i have a reset function that takes care of things that the camera bios does not
[05:39] <tweetBot> @YtA_xoba19jgn: Congratulations to http://t.co/8KZXpM4YQk on their successful launch video here http://t.co/M4giEZwyyV #ukhas
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[08:22] <fsphil> cambazz: nice work. those serial cameras can be a right pain
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[08:49] <cambazz> fsphil: is was a pain. i just tamed it.
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[09:11] <cambazz> well i am using the miniature serial camera from adafruit and it is undocumented
[09:11] <cambazz> it seems that after baudrate change and setResolution it needs a reset
[09:11] <cambazz> any alternatives to those serial jpg cams
[09:17] <infaddict> hey guys, what % of sentences into fldigi should be good/green? I now have sentences being decoded but maybe 30-50% have 1 or 2 bad chars in them and hence not decoded.
[09:17] <infaddict> guessing i might have some fine tuning to do
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[09:31] <pc1pcl> infaddict: depends on why it is getting bad characters. if you turn off the beacon, and then ust listen to the background noise, is there anything else to hear?
[09:31] <infaddict> hey pc1pcl. its got a bit worse actually, more like 80% bad checksums now ;-(
[09:32] <infaddict> do you mean turn off the NTX2B transmitting and then try to listen to noise in Gqrx?
[09:32] <pc1pcl> Might a wireless weatherstation, doorbell etc. causing interference..
[09:32] <pc1pcl> yes.
[09:32] <infaddict> mmm possibly, i am in my mancave full of electronics also
[09:32] <infaddict> but am now hooked up to proper 1/4 wave magmount at least
[09:32] <infaddict> for rX
[09:32] <infaddict> but NTX2B has no TX antenna yet
[09:32] <pc1pcl> if there's lots of other users around they might be causing interference, and with a bigger antenna you might also be picking up noise from a wider area..
[09:35] <infaddict> you mentioned UST, what is that?
[09:37] <pc1pcl> a typo meant to be 'just'
[09:37] <infaddict> ah thx!
[09:38] <infaddict> there is hissing when i listen to it without TX'ing
[09:39] <infaddict> constant hissing
[09:39] <pc1pcl> if you hear/see things going 'papapapa' or 'brrrr' a going through the hissing, that might disturb the decoding
[09:39] <infaddict> nope its a solid blue waterfall, with nothing else there that i can see (other than hissing)
[09:40] <infaddict> i am also on a breadboard, with laptop powering it and near the board...not sure if that can cause problems
[09:45] <gonzo_> blue is just the low level noise. Probably the hissing you are describing
[09:46] <gonzo_> Anyrthing louder than that will be more yellow, red
[09:46] <gonzo_> (If fl-digi goes red... Can't remember)
[09:48] <gonzo_> a bit of background noise/hiss and seeing that on fldigi is propbably a good indication
[09:48] <infaddict> yep thx gonzo_ nothing showing other than blue
[09:48] <infaddict> so its either 1) my breadboard and wiring... 2) my code and/or PWM... 3) lack of RX antenna... 4) sommick else lol
[09:49] <infaddict> tonight i will try the 3R method instead to see how that compares
[09:49] <gonzo_> if you put the ntx into tx with no keying, you should hear a single tone in the RX and see that as a line on the waterfall.
[09:50] <gonzo_> it's worth doing that basic test just to test the tx/rx/decode path
[09:50] <infaddict> ok i can try that. ive tried to get my shift spot on 425hz, then clicked in fldigi on the waterfall. i have auto freq on. ive zoomed in a fine tuned my 2 vertical lines to them "on top" of the waterfalls.
[09:51] <infaddict> anything else i can do in fldigi to fine tune?
[09:51] <gonzo_> that sounds a good start
[09:52] <infaddict> oh plus tonight i will move to the garden and get away from all my computers, guitars, keyboards, printers, lights and other stuff that could be in the way
[09:52] <gonzo_> it's worth increasing the filter bandwidth on fldigi, so say 100-150Hz, for local testing
[09:53] <gonzo_> an ntx in the same room (with an atntenna on) as the RX should be strong enough to overcome local noise
[09:54] <infaddict> ok i dont have antenna on the NTX for TX (its on breadboard), but do have antenna for RX
[09:54] <infaddict> and they are 50cm away from each other lol
[09:54] <gonzo_> UHF is high enough to get away from most of the electronics noise anyway. Our main noise on that band is from other low power transmitters in the band.
[09:55] <infaddict> mmm ok understand. couldnt see any other tx on there when i turned mine off.
[09:55] <infaddict> which is worrying
[09:55] <infaddict> as means sommick else wrong
[09:55] <gonzo_> I often retune the rx to 433.900 to listen to these other transmitters, just as a sanity check of my system
[09:56] <gonzo_> what freq is your ntx set for?
[09:56] <infaddict> the sticker on it says 434.200 but i am not receiving it at that, much lower nearer 434. it could be my usb dongle is way out.
[09:57] <infaddict> i also have a HabAmp that i need to solder up at the weekend to give it a whirl
[09:57] <gonzo_> there are LPD transmitting devices all over the allocation, but the vast majority are around 433.900
[09:57] <infaddict> i might try a serial command to reset the frequency of NTX2B. just in case the sticker doesnt match the actual setting.
[09:58] <gonzo_> it may be worth seeing if you can find a known transmission to listen for and check the cal of your dongle.
[09:58] <gonzo_> amateur repeaters are useful, but unfortunatly UHF ones are often just in idle
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[09:59] <infaddict> it works well on FM frequencies i.e. i have to tune to precise FM freq to hear the radio, but not sure whats about up at 400+ for me here
[09:59] <gonzo_> (I don't know the ntx2b, I've only ever used the old NTX2 fixed freq ones)
[10:00] <infaddict> i believe they are similar if you dont modify the frequency (which i havent).
[10:00] <infaddict> as u say i need to somehow calibrate the dongle to understand if its accurate
[10:00] <infaddict> i also have a spare dongle which i will try tonight to see if its also out by same amount
[10:01] <gonzo_> it's possible that you are tuning to an image, not the main signal. It may be worth tuning around a bit, to see if you find a stronger signal from your ntx
[10:02] <infaddict> ok will zoom out and see what else is there. i did get a strong centre signal then mirrors (twice on either side).
[10:02] <gonzo_> with very strong local signals, odd things can happen
[10:03] <gonzo_> making the signal weaker, taking off the antennas etc, can help sort out the spurious images and the actual signal
[10:03] <infaddict> all good advice thx mate
[10:03] <infaddict> as u can probably tell, very new to radio stuff
[10:05] <pc1pcl> if there's not too much extra interference, probably the best bet is to open the rttyfilter setting a bit more and make sure that Squelch is off in FLdigi, and gqrx also has all bells and whistles turned off
[10:05] <pc1pcl> you don't want it to try and optimize/smooth/corrupt your signal.
[10:12] <infaddict> i have squelch in gqrx set to minimum level (-150) but cant see a way to switch it off
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[10:12] <infaddict> what do you mean by rtty filter?
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[10:12] <infaddict> i have a 3k filter set at moment, which is much wider than the waterfall i see
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[10:13] <pc1pcl> above the two thin red lines that woudl be $shift kHz apart, there are red bars, you can set those to be wider from the rtty settings.
[10:14] <infaddict> ah ok in fldigi
[10:15] <infaddict> yep i can set custom shift i think
[10:15] <infaddict> it is likely my shift isnt perfect as done in arduino using analogWrite values
[10:15] <infaddict> so i shoudl set the red lines a bit wider and it should still decode?
[10:16] <pc1pcl> yeah, might do a better job if what you're sending isn't perfect, and there isn't anything else to confuse i.
[10:17] <pc1pcl> so, make sure the distance between the two cursor lines is matching the actual shift you see, i.e. center them on the peaks,
[10:17] <infaddict> right ok i did that already by adjusting by values in my code. the centre of the 2 waterfalls is now pretty much spot on the 2 red lines.
[10:18] <infaddict> but every now and then i see the signal shift slightly to the right in the waterfall, and seems to correspond with bad chars being received
[10:18] <infaddict> what could be causing it to shift like that?
[10:18] <pc1pcl> and then make the 'error bars' at the top of them wider, so it is less strict about considering something 'mark' 'space' or 'neither'
[10:18] <infaddict> aha ok didnt realise they were error bars, nor that they were adjustable ;-)
[10:18] <pc1pcl> shift coudl be something on the TX or RX side. probably TX.
[10:19] <pc1pcl> in reality your payload wil lbe swingin to and fro, getting colder, hotter, so the signal will probably vary a bit too.
[10:20] <pc1pcl> if there is lots of other interfering signals, then you want the filter to be rather tight, but you still need some buffer to catch signal drifting around te ideal setting.
[10:22] <infaddict> ok thx a lot, will try all of that, esp widening those bars
[10:22] <infaddict> thats tonights project, with a class of beer of course. Its Friday after all ;-)
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[12:18] <dani> Looking for a radio to fit in my car for balloon tracking. Can anyone suggest a cheaper one?
[12:18] <RealBorg> dani, sdr is not an option?
[12:18] <dani> needs to have SSB modulation.
[12:18] <mattbrejza> icom ic-7000
[12:19] <RealBorg> sdr can decode anything
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> SSB is basically used with 'normal' radios simply to extract a slice of the raido spectrum to do SDR on
[12:25] <dani> could use SDR, have never used one before though
[12:26] <dani> Any systems you can recommend? or just any radio dongle?
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> SDR can be done with your average TV reciever dongle - and ideally a HABAMPpreamp
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> Though if you're actually doing tracking - and are close to the balloon, and/or have an interenet connection, I somewhat question the need for a preamp
[12:31] <gonzo_> if an analogue type radio is available, it may be a good choice for in car use. Less fiddly to use
[12:32] <gonzo_> but the RTL type dongle is certainly a very economical way
[12:32] <dani> any suggestions for mac osx software? If not i could just use windows
[12:34] <Vaizki> go windows
[12:35] <Vaizki> I am a mac user but having real pains with SDR software on mac
[12:35] <Vaizki> I have one single windows machine and it's only for SDR use
[12:35] <infaddict> I am using Gqrx on mac but its a pain to install (need source code via macports)
[12:35] <infaddict> Also not as customizable as Windows software
[12:35] <Vaizki> not only that but it's also a pain to use
[12:37] <Vaizki> I recommend Windows 7 + (SDR# | SDR Radio 2.3) + Voicemeeter + dl-fldigi
[12:39] <Vaizki> on mac gqrx works and it's ok for HAB tracking I guess but it's not much fun to use for general SDR listening etc. if you don't intend to use the radio for anything except HAB (and can live with the gqrx / macports install) then it can work for you
[12:39] <dani> Awesome! thanks for all the information guys
[12:39] <Vaizki> also, don't run SDR under virtualization
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[12:40] <Vaizki> it just doesn't work very well.. I tried it under virtualbox and vmware on a new imac i7 and .. just no
[12:40] <dani> yeah its only for hab tracking so gqrx might do
[12:40] <dani> ahah I was going to use parallels but now I will not
[12:40] <dani> thanks for the heads up
[12:41] <Vaizki> of course if you get a "real" radio like the icom or yaesu ft-817, then you only have to run dl-fldigi on the mac
[12:42] <Vaizki> but I paid 300 euros for a used ft-817ND and 25 euros for a R820T2 SDR dongle with ESD protection
[12:44] <gonzo_> any amateur radio/receiver/scanner that will do SSB at 434MHz should be fine. Even older types.
[12:45] <gonzo_> something can be picked up for about £100.
[12:50] <Vaizki> hmm the icom is a thousand pounds on ebay? :O
[12:51] <Vaizki> btw, how well would a Tecsun PL660 for example work?
[12:51] <gonzo_> did they mean an IC7000 or IC-R7000 ?
[12:52] <gonzo_> the latter is a receiver, 1980's tech, but pretty useable still.
[12:52] <Vaizki> [14:18] <mattbrejza> icom ic-7000
[12:52] <Vaizki> yea I noticed that was much cheaper
[12:52] <gonzo_> they usually go for less than £300
[12:52] <Vaizki> right, one on ebay in the uk for £260 starting, no bids
[12:53] <Vaizki> any experience with those tecsun etc "world radios"?
[12:53] <gonzo_> but a used 817 for £300 would be better value I recon
[12:54] <Vaizki> yea, although I have to say the UI on the yaesu makes me wonder if the designer ever had to use it in anger
[12:54] <gonzo_> just googeled them. They look to be dommestioc broadcast receivers
[12:55] <Vaizki> I'm not a HAM so I've idea if that kind of klunkyness is par for the course but wheeee :)
[12:56] <gonzo_> they try and cram a lot of functionality into a few buttons. My usual way is to go throuygh the functtions and menues, with the manual, and make a mental not of all the options that I don't need. Then I can easilly skip them in service
[12:56] <gonzo_> yeasu's are typically easier to use thjan icom's
[12:56] <Vaizki> hmm right the tecsun doesn't actually do 70cm band
[12:57] <Vaizki> it was a different one then, just a sec
[13:01] <Vaizki> doh can't find it any more. oh well.
[13:03] <pc1pcl> Vaizki if using the ft817 with a computer anyway (to run fldigi), might as well connect the CAT interface too to perhaps simplify controlling it.
[13:04] <Vaizki> yea I have no experience with these radios so not looked into that yet
[13:10] <Vaizki> and to be fair, even though the interface is not too intuitive, once you set it up it's quite easy to fine tune onto a signal etc
[13:11] <pc1pcl> most important is the 'lock' button to make sure you don't accidentally knock it off frequency ;)
[13:11] <Vaizki> indeed
[13:11] <Vaizki> and you can even customize what it locks
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[13:23] <Laurenceb> http://helmutsmits.nl/wp-content/uploads/parking-for-white-cars-only-01.jpg
[13:23] <Laurenceb> lolld
[13:24] <lz1dev> why would there be a parking space specifically for white cars?
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[13:39] <cambazz> hello, this pi-in-the-sky board,only features the mtx2 right?
[13:39] <cambazz> for comms
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[13:44] <cambazz> and i have been playing and coding for the mini-ttl serial camera but what other options do we have for cameras that can be interfaced to an arduino like microcontroller, that is not a pi.
[13:45] <Vaizki> for sending down?
[13:45] <cambazz> yes
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> cambazz: Arduino is hideously limited
[13:45] <cambazz> i mean the camera.
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> you basically need some camera that has an internal framestore
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> these are rare, as they are commercially useless
[13:46] <cambazz> SpeedEvil: that is why i ported everything to tm4c cortex-m (in energia)
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> Only low-volume hobbiet exist
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> Well - cortex M is not arduino like...
[13:46] <cambazz> it seems that with a cortex-m i get faster dev times to begin with. moteino was making me sick. so slow to upload n stuff
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> If you have ~60K or so RAM, and a reasonably fast processor, you can bit-bang the lines on a parallel camera
[13:47] <cambazz> speedevil: i am using it with energia, sort of like arduino for software not for hardware
[13:47] <fsphil> an AVR with lots of memory would be a handy thing
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> cambazz: I am not addressing your software, just what the hardware can do - I don't know it
[13:47] <cambazz> what do you mean by a parallel camera
[13:48] <cambazz> SpeedEvil: 64k ram, 80mhz speed
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> A camera with a 8 bit (typical) parallel output
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[13:48] <cambazz> oh like on a cell phone. i always wanted to make one of those work
[13:48] <SpeedEvil> yes
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> VGA cameras used to be readily available from ST
[13:49] <SpeedEvil> but alas they've droped out of that market
[13:50] <cambazz> i got the vc0706 working consistently, and found many undocumented things and wrote fail safe methods to do and redo things, so it inits.
[13:50] <cambazz> but i have the hunch it will fail on air
[13:50] <fsphil> the old serial camera I used to use would occasionally crash in testing
[13:50] <fsphil> and require a power cycle to get working again
[13:50] <fsphil> it never happened in flight thankfully
[13:51] <cambazz> fsphil: i have done somethink lke that
[13:51] <cambazz> reset cycling
[13:51] <cambazz> and it has its seperate charge pump so i can shutdown
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[13:51] <fsphil> handy
[13:52] <cambazz> when you change the baudrate or resolution it also requires cycling
[13:52] <cambazz> but the jpeg compression rate can be set on the fly
[13:52] <cambazz> also, it draws quite a lot of current, like 120ma
[13:52] <fsphil> I think I have one of those too
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/OVM7690-R20A/884-1019-1-ND/2123272 for example
[13:52] <cambazz> http://ssdv.habhub.org/CUBEX1/2014-05-24
[13:52] <fsphil> the adafruit-style ones
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> you would simply connect I2C as normal.
[13:53] <fsphil> I found them very unreliable - did you have problems of corrupt images?
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> You then configure the camera over I2C
[13:53] <cambazz> yes, it is because of voltage drop
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> and then read out the data fromthe 8 data pins, with the frame and line-sync pins to sync
[13:53] <fsphil> ah
[13:53] <cambazz> look at this images of cubex
[13:53] <cambazz> you see the lines, those are because of voltage drop
[13:54] <cambazz> so i connected a poluolu 3.3v step-up-down charge pump to a 3.7V lipo, and i can shutdown the power to the camera. its like 0.5g weight. and it runs good now, but it is flaky and unreliable like you said
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> The general problem with movile phone and similar mass production cameras is they:
[13:55] <cambazz> but wait, is there a i2c or spi camera?
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> A) Have high speed digital differential busses that you cannot easily interface to output the image data
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> B) Have no datasheets for the I2C configuration you must do
[13:55] <fsphil> oh yes, Dawn should be orbiting Ceres now
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> C) require you to read all of teh frame in 1/30th of a second or less, or get a useless image
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> cambazz: In short -no
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> cambazz: At least no mass market one
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Older cameras may have the data coming out in parallel form - like the one I linked.
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Which mititgates A), but not B) or C)
[13:57] <cambazz> well a,b,c is too much work
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> Or you can find omeone who has packaged a camera ike the above, and a driver micro into a little box, and is selling it for $50
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> Or, use a micro with a camera port
[13:58] <cambazz> i did not exactly understood what you mean by a micro
[13:59] <cambazz> are there any examples of those 50$ unit
[13:59] <cambazz> ss
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> A microcontroller
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> or microprocessor
[13:59] <cambazz> ok i got it
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> the jpeg serial camera you were mentioning earlier
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.adafruit.com/product/1386
[14:00] <cambazz> yes that i s what i got exactly
[14:00] <cambazz> it sucks unfortunately that is why i have been asking these questions
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> Cameraas on small platforms is impractical, basically
[14:01] <cambazz> http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-CMOS-VGA-OV7670-Camera-Module-Lens-640X480-SCCB-Compatible-W-or-I2C-Interface-p-51149.html
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> SCCP = output comes out as ~150MBPS serial
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> It cannot ever be read over I2C in these cameras
[14:01] <cambazz> it says i2c but that is just for control
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> that's purely for setup
[14:02] <cambazz> and what do we need to read this sccb
[14:02] <cambazz> it is only 6bucks too
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> In short - a microprocessor with a SCCB port
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[14:03] <cambazz> yes i guess that would be easiest. does pi have one
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Oops
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> No
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> Not a general one
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[14:03] <SpeedEvil> however - I was slightly wrong
[14:04] <cambazz> hmm. what was wrong?
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> see easlier comments after you would simply connect I2C as normal.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> earlier comments
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> The above does not have a differential data bis - it's parallel output - and indeed was the one I mentioned
[14:04] <cambazz> ok ok.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> But B) and C) still apply
[14:04] <cambazz> omg, i have not been sleeping for like 30 hours designing baloon payload :)
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-RS232-TTL-JPEG-Digital-Serial-CCTV-Camera-Module-SCB-1-with-video-out-Support-VIMICRO/1975852463.html
[14:06] <Vaizki> Pi has its own cam boards which are good
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/VC0706PREB-VC0706-QFP100/1018648833.html
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> is the composite->jpeg chip I think
[14:06] <Vaizki> You may also find a dcmi camera for use with stm32f407
[14:07] <cambazz> speedevil: yes it is teh vc0706, same on the adafruit camera.
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> http://tinyonestore.com/products/1800 or
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[14:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/720p-1-0mp-hd-1-4-cmos-network-camera-module-black-366969 is actually linux
[14:09] <cambazz> and one more question: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-VC0706-Serial-Camera-Library/blob/master/Adafruit_VC0706.cpp#L117 if you look at this line 117
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> with 80M of RAM
[14:09] <cambazz> it says downsizeimagecontrol
[14:09] <cambazz> what does this do I am trying to figure out
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> The chip can downsize the image before producing theJPEG
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[14:12] <cambazz> hmm, it has set resolution but maybe that will, downsize the image after capture.
[14:12] <cambazz> it would be useful like to capture 640x480 and then download it in different sizes
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> Ikt is as I understand it a composite-> JPEG chip
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> the camera cannot be set to other sizes
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[14:13] <SpeedEvil> A big advantage is of course, you can swap out the camera, for much better (though not much higher resolution) ones
[14:14] <cambazz> this banana pi bp-d1 looks promsing
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[14:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/700TVL-1-3-SONY-Effio-E-CCD-Video-3-6mm-Lens-CCTV-Security-Camera-Board-PCB-C7-1-/271250553870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f27cafc0e
[14:16] <cambazz> well that is a regular camera is not it?
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> yes
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> but you'd disconnect the composite out of the crappy camera on the adaftuit board, and connect that
[14:17] <cambazz> ok i see. :)
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> much, much better low-light performance, and not nearly as blurry (though still no better resolution)
[14:17] <cambazz> did you do this?
[14:17] <cambazz> before i mean
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> No
[14:18] <cambazz> ok, and one last question before i go to sleep: boolean Adafruit_VC0706::setPTZ(uint16_t wz, uint16_t hz, uint16_t pan, uint16_t tilt) { <- what this could be?
[14:18] <cambazz> setPTZ
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> But if you have a composite camera on the board, and connected to a JPEG converter, it should be easy
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> I've never used it
[14:19] <cambazz> speedevil: i would destroy the mini cam :( i am a butcher with soldering iron
[14:19] <infaddict> Pan Tilt Zoom?
[14:20] <cambazz> ok there is no pantiltzoom in the camera, why could it be in the source code. runCommand(VC0706_SET_ZOOM, args, sizeof(args), 5)); <- baybe it is like digita zoom
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[14:24] <cambazz> SpeedEvil: btw that explains why we need to power-cycle, to change resolution. it simply is an image capture device connected to an analog cam
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[14:26] <SpeedEvil> The PTZ may be supported by the chip
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[15:55] <cambazz> well what would PTZ do for a planarly aligned chip
[15:56] <cambazz> pwd
[15:56] <cambazz> ls
[15:56] <cambazz> ow
[16:00] <fsphil> command not found
[16:01] <lz1dev> sudo ls
[16:02] <cambazz> well pardon, i mistakely thought this was the other terminal
[16:02] <cambazz> it would have been embarassing if I typed my passwd
[16:02] <lz1dev> dont worry, in irc passwords come as *****
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[16:03] <jiffe> lz1dev: I know your password now
[16:03] <lz1dev> its not hunter1
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[16:03] <jiffe> password1?
[16:04] <lz1dev> nice try
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[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[16:07] <fsphil> I had to put a check on our company website, to stop people using stupid passwords like that
[16:08] <fsphil> it checks new ones against various password lists
[16:09] <mattbrejza> enforce a xkcd passwrod method
[16:09] <mattbrejza> *has* to be made up of >4 dictionary words
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[16:11] <lz1dev> these are all silly things, just require long enough password, thats not too common
[16:11] <fsphil> I forced a minimum of 8 characters
[16:11] <lz1dev> then monitor fail attempts and logins from wierd places
[16:11] <fsphil> that didn't stop someone using 12345678
[16:12] <lz1dev> generally you wanna check the password against a list
[16:12] <fsphil> yea. some good lists out there
[16:12] <lz1dev> even that password is fine, as long as you don't have unlimited attemts
[16:13] <fsphil> true
[16:13] <lz1dev> there are quite a few password list available
[16:13] <fsphil> I don't limit at the moment, but testing the password does take about 1 second so there is a practical limit
[16:13] <lz1dev> sort | uniq | head -500
[16:14] <mattbrejza> with the number of hacks there must be some pretty good long lists around
[16:14] <lz1dev> there is also the constant time password comparison
[16:14] <SpeedEvil> For proper password enforcement, you should also take the supplied password, any external email addresses you have, and try to login to their email, to check.
[16:15] <lz1dev> lol
[16:15] <fsphil> "You used this password on facebook. That's stupid error."
[16:16] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: a lot of people have been hacked like that
[16:16] <lz1dev> register on random forum, try password on their email
[16:16] <lz1dev> works...
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I know
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[16:17] <lz1dev> it's like the voice mail 0000 hacks that newspapers did :)
[16:17] <lz1dev> 'hacks'
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[17:22] <infaddict> question on fldigi. it was suggested to me to widen the 2 red bars that mark the waterfall area, but i cant find where to do it. if i hover or click or drag this simply repositions my bars and doesnt resize.
[17:24] <LazyLeopard> You'll need to find the option for the mode in question and adjust the appropriate value there.
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[17:24] <dbrooke> from memory it's filter bandwidth slider on the RTTY settings panel
[17:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup that's the one, turn Auto off at the righand end of the slider than adjust as required
[17:26] <fsphil> right click on RTTY on the bottom left
[17:26] <fsphil> it'll popup the rtty settings
[17:27] <infaddict> thanks guys! found it so will try that.
[17:27] <infaddict> think it will just mask another problem, which is a noisy signal. i get s/n of 14 to 15 which i think is too low?
[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Check the audio levels
[17:27] <infaddict> i have a green triangle in fldigi
[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> You have the diamond and also the Audio bar meter
[17:29] <infaddict> ok will watch the meter too. in Gqrx i have 0 gain on audio at moment, I could reduce that if required.
[17:29] <fsphil> it's possible your receiver is overloaded if the transmitter and receiver are in the same room
[17:29] <fsphil> or even the same house
[17:29] <infaddict> yep they are same room, i moved the magmount to other side of room but no diff.
[17:29] <infaddict> both are powered from laptop at moment so hard to move apart ;-)
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> That does tend to be the problem, normally no aerials actually needed
[17:29] <infaddict> but no antenna on TX side
[17:30] <infaddict> without antenna in dongle i get nothing
[17:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Good starting point!
[17:32] <infaddict> to prove that Geoff-G8DHE-Lap i could power by breadboard by battery and move to another room, if you think thats a worthwhile test. Amazed the NTX2B is that strong without antenna.
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Your in the local field at present all sorts of horrible results
[17:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> my favourite is minimal Tx aerial and then just use a small length of solder 1/2" or so plugged into BNC socket
[17:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> for Rx
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[18:26] <Vaizki> evening
[18:28] <infaddict> ello
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[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:49] <tweetBot> @Xj1Naima: Congratulations to http://t.co/rCtIDmA0Vp on their successful launch video here http://t.co/01g9hOe8kk #ukhas
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[19:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening!
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[19:23] <Upu> evening Reb-SM0ULC
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[20:04] <Ben____> Hi, please can someone remind me what I need to do to get a flight doc approved?
[20:04] <Upu> evening Ben____
[20:04] <Upu> have you done a payload document ?
[20:05] <Ben____> yup
[20:05] <Ben____> it's called saz's wedding proposal take 2
[20:05] <Ben____> although its exactly the same as the original
[20:06] <Upu> ok have you got the fligth docid ?
[20:06] <Upu> flight
[20:08] <Upu> I can't find it , what was the payload name ?
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[20:10] <Ben____> 5ee998c9e292d7bd08712b532bd9ca70
[20:10] <Upu> Its not been tested
[20:11] <Upu> can you transmit some data and check it appears on the map ?
[20:11] <Upu> not being awkward but its hard to fix stuff once we've approved
[20:12] <Ben____> I ready to do that now. Do I just start transmitting and let dl fldigi upload the packets?
[20:12] <Upu> thats the one
[20:12] <Upu> it will appear on the map if all is good
[20:12] <Upu> and then I can approve
[20:15] <Ben____> ok, just waiting for my flight comp to get round to sending a Tx
[20:15] <Ben____> there we go
[20:15] <Upu> ok lets see it get a lock
[20:16] <Upu> is decoding though
[20:16] <Upu> SpacenearUS will tell us when its working
[20:16] <Ben____> hmmmm thats odd. just the gps says it has a lock....
[20:17] <Ben____> mmmm, it's lost the lock.
[20:17] <Upu> this is why we test :)
[20:17] <Ben____> ;)
[20:18] <cambazz> what do you guys think of this http://www.gizmag.com/highest-airship-flight-record/20379/picture/146484/
[20:18] <Ben____> why would it loose lock. cgps was fine, but now its reporting 11 sats in view, but no fix
[20:19] <Upu> can you get the antenna outside ?
[20:20] <Ben____> gotta a fix...
[20:20] <Ben____> I opened the back door ;)
[20:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MG169706 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MG169706
[20:21] <Upu> there we go
[20:21] <Ben____> :) :) :)
[20:21] <Ben____> I love technology
[20:22] <Upu> ok give me a min
[20:23] <Upu> ah ok
[20:23] <pc1pcl> Ben____: There's a tower on the map with same name, only seems mirrored wrt greenwich Meridian
[20:23] <cambazz> me too
[20:23] <Upu> so your flight doc has the wrong payload in it
[20:23] <Upu> Ben____ can you type /join #habhub
[20:23] <cambazz> so whose is mg169706
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[20:29] <SP5NVX> 5ee998c9e292d7bd08712b532b533100 doc done, lunch ready, approve please
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[20:33] <fsphil> Time is an illusion. Lunch doubly so
[20:35] <daveake_> As it happens I'm listening to HHGTTG right now
[20:35] <staylo> You should post that on reddit. They have a subreddit for people like you.
[20:35] <fsphil> DNA fans?
[20:35] <staylo> :P
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[20:37] <daveake_> I'm kinda surprised that we've yet to see a payload in the shape of a bowl of petunias or a sperm whale
[20:38] <Upu> can be arranged
[20:38] <daveake_> I was going to do an Apollo CM but decided that a TARDIS was easier to make :)
[20:39] <daveake_> What we need then is someone with a machine that could make a complicated payload shape ...
[20:39] <fsphil> that's pretty improbable
[20:40] <Upu> anyway
[20:40] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/unUe6FO.jpg
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[20:40] <daveake_> Petunias come in pink, you know
[20:41] <Upu> can be arranged (I have some pink PLA)
[20:41] <daveake_> I never doubted that for a second
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[21:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03FSUS - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=FSUS
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[23:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK2HAB-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VK2HAB-11
[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO9HO-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO9HO-11
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