highaltitude.log.20150305

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[00:20] <BUE_OSJ> Hellooo! how is it going?
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[00:27] <Ian__> Fine, good evening.
[00:28] <BUE_OSJ> Ian__: :)
[00:28] <Ian__> Today I checked and the default speed of PISKY is 30 Baud, and the tuning of RTL-SDR's is sometimes well off.
[00:29] <BUE_OSJ> Ian__: ahhhh great
[00:30] <BUE_OSJ> but it s strange the audacity says about 500?
[00:30] <Ian__> So, The suggestion was that you may well have been chasing a shadow of the signal. Step back and maybe the antenna removed from the RTL-SDR to ensure that only strong signals are visible, tune about for the best signal you can find.
[00:31] <Ian__> http://imgur.com/nGHERVJ in general I measured 12 1/2 cycle segments as the shortest and my figures came back between 300 and 500 Baud.
[00:33] <Ian__> So it was a bit wet finger in the wind. With a known character pattern, I would typically have measured it over at least one character and probably more in order to reduce the error in the guess.
[00:34] <Ian__> This is what you are looking for http://postimg.org/image/ju3d7fvnz/
[00:38] <BUE_OSJ> ahh ok i ll take out the rtl-sdr antenna
[00:38] <BUE_OSJ> and i ll put fldigi to 30 bauds
[00:38] <Ian__> One other thing. In fldigi (dl-fldigi) the operating mode should actually be SSB. Found in the OP Mode menu near the bottom. But let's find a good signal first.
[00:38] <Ian__> That is 300 Baud, Three Hundred
[00:38] <BUE_OSJ> ahhh ok :)
[00:39] <Ian__> First lets find a good signal in SDR#
[00:41] <Ian__> Last night I had forgotten my imgur.com login details :( Sorted now though.
[00:44] <Ian__> Correct tuning point is approx 1kHz low (to the left) of the tones, so that the lowest audio tone will appear as approx 1kHz+ tone. The higher frequency tone is the idle condition.
[00:44] <BUE_OSJ> jaja... i have all the time problems with my login
[00:45] <BUE_OSJ> mmm my SDR should be like yours in this picture? http://postimg.org/image/ju3d7fvnz/
[00:46] <Ian__> Similar if not the same. The tone spacing may be more than 450Hz
[00:46] <Ian__> The example picture OK, but is not perfect.
[00:47] <Ian__> Have you got the signal good on the SDR? If so, show me, if not tell me what you think the problem might be.
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[00:50] <Ian__> ?????
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[00:52] <BUE_OSJ> sorry
[00:52] <BUE_OSJ> here i ve this: http://imgur.com/5IY1Wv8
[00:52] <BUE_OSJ> what do you think?
[00:52] <BUE_OSJ> the bandwith is on 450
[00:53] <Ian__> We are dealing with the SDR at the moment? Open up the bandwidth a little just for now. First you get your signal then you clean it up a bit.
[00:54] <Ian__> Adjusting the RF gain and AF gain can you clean up the signal in the waterfall?
[00:54] <Ian__> AGC off or at a minimum. any SQLch off
[00:56] <BUE_OSJ> ok i m cleaning it
[00:57] <Ian__> Hmmm, the grey band on the spectrum display is your bandwidth, that needs to cover both tones. Use your ears to help tuning also.
[00:58] <Ian__> The red flecks all across the waterfall suggests that the rf gain may be too high
[00:59] <BUE_OSJ> ok
[00:59] <Ian__> If you are happy you have found the fundamental signal, you can pop the antenna back to see if it improves matters, but beware it might just distort the signal due to rx overloading.
[01:01] <BUE_OSJ> i can t find where is rx on SDR
[01:02] <Ian__> Pass, can you find any level controls?
[01:03] <BUE_OSJ> AGC
[01:04] <BUE_OSJ> i disabled AGC
[01:04] <Ian__> AGC off
[01:04] <BUE_OSJ> and i put bandwith on 650
[01:04] <Ian__> OK
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[01:04] <Ian__> show me
[01:04] <BUE_OSJ> ok
[01:05] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/22e66wc
[01:06] <BUE_OSJ> i change the range and i have: http://imgur.com/n5r917G
[01:07] <Ian__> Not best, but that last one seems better. I was going to say that the noise level was way high.
[01:07] <Ian__> Do you have an antenna wire in the SDR just now?
[01:08] <BUE_OSJ> yes
[01:09] <Ian__> OK, if you take the antenna out, does the image appear clearer or not?
[01:11] <BUE_OSJ> a littel
[01:11] <BUE_OSJ> little
[01:11] <Ian__> show me again and then let's move to fldigi, how does the display there look.
[01:12] <Ian__> ? Op Mode = USB
[01:12] <BUE_OSJ> it s very curious when i disable noise filter
[01:12] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/PJQF4Uh
[01:12] <BUE_OSJ> yes it s usb
[01:12] <Ian__> Ok. how do you mean curious?
[01:13] <Ian__> Shouldn't need a noise filter just now.
[01:14] <BUE_OSJ> curious like this: http://imgur.com/2eKLYb9
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[01:15] <BUE_OSJ> ok i ll disable noise blanker
[01:16] <Ian__> Hmmmm. I think that counts as curious . . . best we have some signal back . . . I don't suppose that there is another image if you tune up or down the band a bit?
[01:17] <BUE_OSJ> something like this http://imgur.com/kwkCRJ9
[01:17] <BUE_OSJ> i made it with less range
[01:19] <Ian__> Ok, lets go with that, but tune down slightly to better place the tones in your band pass filter. Just a little and then let's look at dlldigi, OK?
[01:20] <BUE_OSJ> ok... so what do you think about this pic?
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[01:22] <Ian__> The last one looks good, but the tones are low in the passband, so you need to tune slightly lower to move them over to the right a bit.
[01:22] <Ian__> Low Frequency wise that is
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[01:27] <BUE_OSJ> and now?
[01:27] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/tyHfail
[01:27] <BUE_OSJ> that hash finish with fail :S
[01:28] <Ian__> That looks better. Not sure what you mean about the hash?
[01:28] <Ian__> RTLSDR tuning OK, can we look at fldigi now?
[01:28] <BUE_OSJ> the tiny url of imgur
[01:28] <BUE_OSJ> ends with fail
[01:28] <BUE_OSJ> ok i ll open fldigi
[01:30] <Ian__> Oh, yes, Unless I say othewise I'm always commenting on your last image. Bit or sideband noise, which may be overloading , but hopefully we can remove that in fldigi
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[01:31] <Ian__> I think that the "fail" at the end was mere coincidence :) Fingers crossed
[01:31] <BUE_OSJ> jjajajaja
[01:32] <BUE_OSJ> mmm i hope
[01:32] <BUE_OSJ> but the fldigi says:
[01:32] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/w8XKROi
[01:33] <Ian__> fldigi Op Mode = SSB ?
[01:34] <BUE_OSJ> no it was on RTTY
[01:34] <BUE_OSJ> y put it to SSB
[01:35] <BUE_OSJ> i ve only one band
[01:37] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/58DZqnj
[01:37] <Ian__> On RTL-SDR do the tones sound good - two tones ?
[01:37] <BUE_OSJ> like that
[01:39] <Ian__> Tell me what you hear!
[01:39] <Ian__> I can't see any tones in fldigi
[01:39] <BUE_OSJ> mmm if i use the noise blanker it s nice
[01:39] <BUE_OSJ> without them it s no nice :(
[01:39] <Ian__> Noise blankers and data are not good. = distortion
[01:39] <BUE_OSJ> i can hear a pip
[01:40] <BUE_OSJ> 1.2.3.4 pip
[01:40] <BUE_OSJ> i ve a pip
[01:40] <BUE_OSJ> i count to 4 and pip
[01:42] <Ian__> Somehow the tones need to get to fldigi and they should be clearly visible in the fldigi waterfall. Preferably near the middle
[01:43] <Ian__> Your move.
[01:44] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/c3Tv801
[01:44] <BUE_OSJ> on rtty i ve that
[01:45] <BUE_OSJ> with 2x view
[01:46] <Ian__> show me the OP Mode menu please. Also I think that your tones might be down 80Hz and 180Hz approx. so you will need to tune your radio slightly lower in frequency to raise the value of the tones
[01:47] <Ian__> Certainly better at the x2 size. Easier on the eyes, although my brain hurts . . . :)
[01:48] <BUE_OSJ> jajaja
[01:48] <BUE_OSJ> there y moved the sdr signal to less frequency
[01:50] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/g3RWEKy
[01:51] <Ian__> Op Mode select SSB
[01:51] <BUE_OSJ> ok ssb selected
[01:52] <BUE_OSJ> but i have 2 red lines
[01:52] <BUE_OSJ> but they are too close
[01:52] <Ian__> Show me
[01:53] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/MfRkHpZ
[01:57] <BUE_OSJ> i m still without antenna
[02:01] <Ian__> Stick it back in BUE_OSJ, I'm struggling with an old copy of fldigi
[02:02] <Ian__> I'm just bothered that we can't see what the RTLSDR can see.
[02:02] <Ian__> Once we have a signal on the fldigi waterfall, then we can home in on it
[02:03] <BUE_OSJ> yes me too Ian__ i think i ll need to read more about fldigi sdr and signals
[02:03] <Ian__> At the moment it is rather like the Scarlet Pimpernel
[02:04] <BUE_OSJ> scarlet pimpernel? it s sherlock holmes?
[02:04] <Ian__> If we have a strong looking signal on the SDR, you should be able to confirm that there are strong tones at 300 Baud and if they sound to be around 1.5kHz to 2kHz in frequency they should appear at that sort of spot on the fldigi waterfall
[02:07] <Ian__> The Scarlet Pimpernell, "They seek him here, they seek him there; They seek him everywhere, that damnded elusive Pimpernell"
[02:08] <BUE_OSJ> ahhhhhh jajaja...
[02:09] <Ian__> Circa The French Revolution (fictional character from a novel) Sir Percy Blakeney.
[02:10] <BUE_OSJ> yes they appear
[02:10] <Ian__> What did you do?
[02:10] <BUE_OSJ> yellow lines
[02:11] <BUE_OSJ> around 1.5khz on fldigi
[02:14] <Ian__> Hmmmm doesn't look too convincing.
[02:14] <BUE_OSJ> http://imgur.com/MrDQWq9
[02:14] <BUE_OSJ> it s like always
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[02:17] <Ian__> Try Op Mode RTTY Custom and then when you have two cursors you can move them. The problem is that I still see flashes of red in two traces just under 200Hz I think that is your signal. So needs to come up in your passband, by tuning the receiver slightly lower
[02:18] <BUE_OSJ> ahhhhhhhh
[02:18] <BUE_OSJ> great now i understood your idea
[02:19] <BUE_OSJ> i ll move signal
[02:19] <BUE_OSJ> less frecuency
[02:19] <Ian__> You understand the relative movement? The dial frequency + the audio frequency = the actual frequency.
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[02:26] <BUE_OSJ> mmmm the audio frequency moves from uo to down?
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[02:30] <Ian__> My brain is melting. You would probably need to tune up in the band to raise the tone not down, My error. But watch the waterfall as you tune and you will see everything move.You want it to be moving to the right on the fldigi waterfall.
[02:33] <BUE_OSJ> Ian__: thanks for all... i ll keep on trying
[02:33] <BUE_OSJ> maybe tomorrow
[02:33] <BUE_OSJ> something strange was that if i move the signal fldigi waterfall don t change
[02:34] <Ian__> OK. Maybe you could put a larger antenna on your SDR and listen on the 14MHz Amateur band for RTTY (mostly 45.45 Baud or 50 Baud) for a bit of practice.
[02:35] <Ian__> This shouldn't be as difficult as it seems to be at the moment. Buenos Noches.
[02:35] <BUE_OSJ> ahhhhhh great i ll do that right now
[02:35] <BUE_OSJ> Ian__: good night! thanks for all!
[02:35] <Ian__> Bed for me, it's 0235 here. Good night
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[05:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
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[06:40] <Vaizki> ooo I missed a screenshot festival
[06:52] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VENUS1-5 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VENUS1-5
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[08:43] <tweetBot> @Ch0Malika: Congratulations to http://t.co/KbIazbMQxR on their successful launch video here http://t.co/A9gNYRNNi4 #ukhas
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[09:22] <fsphil> someone needs better internet
[09:25] <jonsowman> yes
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[09:49] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030x05 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=0x05
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[11:32] <ProSpectre> hi all
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Morning
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[11:40] <Matt_PrjHet> Morning all
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[12:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PrjHeT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PrjHeT
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[12:18] <Ian__> Vaizki, Festival? Not really . . .Hard going! Now if only he had been a Ham Radio Operator, as he has no real concept of shaking and tuning for maximum smoke on the waterfall.
[12:18] <lz1dev> http://static.rgp.io/2015-03-05_u26vyi3pwn.png
[12:19] <lz1dev> almost as the real thing :)
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[12:49] <Matt_PrjHet> Hi, SpacenearUS, sorry, that's me bench testing. I forgot to take DL-FLDIGI offline.
[12:51] <lz1dev> Matt_PrjHet: don't worry, those are notification and SpacenearUS is a bot :)
[12:52] <Matt_PrjHet> Ah..!
[12:53] <Matt_PrjHet> I'm surprised it's up at all. My telemetry is really flaky and i'm not sure why.
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[12:53] <Matt_PrjHet> Instead of a nice steady stream of $$PrjHeT,199,12:53:08,51.61296,0.30205,00075,0,0,5,24.2,0.0,0*F955
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> I'm getting what looks like a squirrel having a fit on the keyboard.
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µþeRâ"?ÐÜS$MW¤EU9P|ËÁjÞîKyw!ÁîFUeÁôqúÒ
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> #K&\Y3mV9QjuïVZ9_z$%~"ÛMFç:Z<hµ©GnVupEsr@ÐÈU+¡Ü:Imâ~>!œ©®]ÅÙs´ÓV'h
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> SM]
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> o~)Rd]->­"Ø>\ZC@¤4À
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> ^ÓíÂ8]ño} /¢.ER%ÐðÆÒÂyMºu.$$PrjHeT,21,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.1,0.0,0*6A7B
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µLÖôj`2.Xxæ$6\óÈËÐ#óª!n2hSzTQp­­/MiWuŠ¤®D¤)löóD«®ï¥J;TjlGLl!ÿ^£}hbªÃp;u£¦ÍØð)P-fX
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> \P)P)h?!1HE:ÒIN4HhJJZ)%-
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> ?¯èa)h/ëú^sáÕNiD0~hA¡ª)vRõcz_GMÁ¬b_+¼mzVGB4d±´$$PrjHeT,22,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.2,0.0,0*6574
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µ§`L:£®xë67>´ô3MÆb5j6-Ox%ºz„¬ìa`&ÕÌU$qS*3÷â&!$²jêÁ1p8+­´y²"(­S2V^AôíX&«IôoZé"ÒâPOjm.9#*_Fì:(JqáN«ž~l']djbwt-fxH4yB/s@7bkæxðz±ªj¶ awö«3¸Óôó³¥Ýìq:ë9/!ò¬å'Hh&Umv~ý’$$PrjHeT,23,00:00:
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> 00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.2,0.0,0*D810
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µ®!o~½ÍsNOSVýÕi.g±ÀLÚ!Á0:}¤ÿJ’½5Nm\‹L'¦áWHÆörRº¶I2£ø[T¤ºJ,t¨# Z" ÒÜÈì±Æ;xórm­ÞYSýÕK0®eS}"4C/e9?x]FêÞL*XÒ8c;
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> ÂóX7ïÏv«÷±în?¬çÆ'$zr¹M9Qe"9WìÝ
[12:54] <Matt_PrjHet> ãjßõs,z&ÃjU<¤°`!n~4$$PrjHeT,24,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.3,0.0,0*622E
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µ³óB®Ùs[09º~JÊÅ
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> \S ;ÆS©©1ARZ&)h£úi¦ayH6_AERRJQKTîÕ%x5tTwQùì½ú`L¨»2
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> ½½k³ÓQ'-9¬Q×Ôq\U¼:U?xqaë?.789?„í°¬Í7UÚi¬]F'¸¸d¬5*
[12:55] <fsphil> we believed you :p
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> õïQb4wd~¼°.-H)icOL YÕÊ)ènX¢ëO£¼ zCIRa’pO¬® ZYbN$$PrjHeT,25,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.4,0.0,0*C60E
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µ:S?\g`_hvGSP]x¢ÞV[97'bþµ¬®¨`ÈñÆv"?<œpT?ÁI.'Pá~ô÷X-b9)$Kù­·£{÷­}!äÃ3(Ls„["éHTOtznä g1<PibòÓaÿÖä¹Vòã<{V 9OHWnæjLïYô§Jîcd(Öäó,q4ª¬ovEV®`l¯!_ ohùÉ! ºðÍk$$PrjHeT,26,00:00:00,0.00000,0.0
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> 0000,00000,0,0,0,23.4,0.0,0*1183
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µ(n 1K·~mer>i6}k§¹ÏS\Zoo%#BI4¶ÓÞÒO÷¿:MZx¼«GO £ÒêH?[;hàµ_ܦZB=Mfr}08íõ51i>gÏß'Sý!AE&ÕÍ"a0Uà;åW ’ÍkERCào4,Y Dë¸`1Mh÷~EÔrC¡®W!%µ·g+\Îó6B©³d2¯Ë;âöj08}= ES$$PrjHeT,27,00:00:00,0.00000,
[12:55] <fsphil> uh-oh
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> 0.00000,00000,0,0,0,23.4,0.0,0*ACE7
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Uf>¶µÈë³`ÒZ+CJ(¢¬Òie%8R(J(¢1i{
[12:55] <Matt_PrjHet> Oops... too many lines copied.
[12:55] <fsphil> that's image data Matt_PrjHet
[12:55] <fsphil> image packets begin with "Uf"
[12:56] <fsphil> you can see them in View > SSDV RX in dl-fldigi
[12:56] <fsphil> or on http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:56] <Matt_PrjHet> Oh. I thought so, but I've set my camera to =0
[12:57] <Matt_PrjHet> Ah... I wondered if they appeared anywhere but on my screen!
[12:57] <Matt_PrjHet> Cool!
[13:02] <Matt_PrjHet> I keep having the data appear in dl-fldigi. Then stop for about 3 minutes, even though I still have the twin peaks on SDR. Is that normal?
[13:03] <Matt_PrjHet> I got about 100 good lines of telemetry strings, then, nothing for 5 minutes. (From a PiTS board on a A+)
[13:08] <Matt_PrjHet> Does this all look fairly normal? https://www.dropbox.com/s/2zlpwatjfxfsafz/HeT0503.jpg?dl=0
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[13:24] <Vaizki> Get rid of squelch
[13:25] <Vaizki> In sdr# and fldigi
[13:25] <Vaizki> Turn it off
[13:33] <Matt_PrjHet> Beautiful!!! What a lovely clean bunch of text strings :D
[13:34] <Vaizki> :)
[13:38] <Matt_PrjHet> :) That's a natural point to break for lunch I think. Anyone want a cuppa?
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[13:59] <Vaizki> it's the simple things that trip up fldigi decoding
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[14:45] <cambazz> hello hello
[14:45] <Matt_PrjHet> hello
[14:45] <cambazz> i worked all nite to port the vc0706 camera to a tivaC series arm board. i finished, but not tested yet.
[14:46] <cambazz> and i figured out that a moteino mega is useless. so much hassle to program, and it fails all the time at 3.3V
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[15:05] <Ian__> What clock speed are you using for the Moteino mega at 3.3V cambazz? Certainly the Atmega328p chip won't reliably (or at all according to the spec) do 16MHz at 3.3V
[15:05] <Ian__> What does the Atmega2560 data sheet say about voltage and speed?
[15:05] <cambazz> i know i tried both
[15:06] <cambazz> i tried a 1280 and the thing is even at 8mhz it is like crap
[15:06] <Ian__> Still bad at 8MHZ?
[15:06] <Ian__> Oh dear, that's a bit of a blow.
[15:06] <cambazz> i am porting everything to energia now, which i have some more experience.
[15:07] <cambazz> i cant wait like couple of seconds for a sdcard write.
[15:07] <cambazz> with a tm4c arm board, it is in order of miliseconds
[15:08] <Ian__> Lots of people seem to have spoken hopefully about the Moteino. I haven't heard of the Energia, but will give it a quick look. Sounds like it might be the solution for you.
[15:08] <cambazz> which runs at 80mhz w/ 3.3V
[15:09] <Ian__> 80MHz is certainly impressive. Lots of peripherals and good library support?
[15:09] <cambazz> Ian__ : well, i have bought all the moteinos, tested them, and 1 out of 3 boots, it gets a sdcard error, or mpu9150 error. like it wont run reliably same everytime.
[15:10] <cambazz> Ian__ : yes, and with a little work you can port everything from arduino to energia. i am not that good, but i never been able to not to port libs.
[15:11] <cambazz> i ported mpu9150lib with dmp before to energia, and it was less work
[15:12] <cambazz> Ian__ : plus those boards from ti, are like 10 12 dolars, even for 80mhz arm board.
[15:14] <cambazz> I am also sure they will perform better with lower temperatures. I wanted to go with the 430f5529 board, with 25mhz, but then, i wanted to go all the way.
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[15:21] <Matt_PrjHet> I have a ton of questions about taking, storing and transmitting images using a Pi-in-the-Sky. Does anyone know of a Pi/cam module FAQ page anywhere?
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> #raspberrypi
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Though the transmitting part is more likely to be on topic here
[15:23] <Matt_PrjHet> OK cheers.
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[15:25] <daveake_> Questions about taking photos or sending them?
[15:25] <daveake_> oh
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[15:38] <cambazz> does anyone know where to get a foam sphere like this: http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_1213.jpg
[15:38] <cambazz> i checked on ebay, but none of them has this kind of locking mechanism
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[15:40] <SpeedEvil> B&Q used to stock those about 5 years ago, but stopped.
[15:40] Action: SpeedEvil suspects that is not very helpful.
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200mm-Polystyrene-Sphere-Ball-Modelling-Round-Craft-Shape-Styrofoam-/151590771024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234b839950
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150mm-Styrofoam-Ball-Polystyrene-Ball-Separable-Modelling-Sphere-1-Ball-/351196386700?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51c4ef958c
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[15:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250mm-Styrofoam-Ball-Polystyrene-Ball-Separable-Modelling-Sphere-10-Balls-/191374323459?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c8ecc6f03
[15:42] <cambazz> SpeedEvil: right, but those are not the same. the inner diameter is not, and much thicker in the picture i sent
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Also - the above does not lock
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> the one you linked
[15:43] <infaddict> could the one you are looking at be two balls inside one another with locking cut out manually?
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> It simply aligns
[15:43] <cambazz> it is not a lock, but the pieces the go in, are much thicker.
[15:43] <cambazz> infaddict: yes I meant to ask that if it was handmade
[15:43] <SpeedEvil> the ones lined above all have alignment fixtures
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> features
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> But yes - are lots thinner
[15:44] <cambazz> SpeedEvil: i dont mind the alignment features be thinner, but the entire wall diameter is thinner as well.
[15:45] <mattbrejza> the one you linked cambazz doesnt lock
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> Do you actually want a sphere?
[15:45] <cambazz> yes
[15:46] <mattbrejza> sure those arnt thick enouhg? looks to be about 1cm
[15:46] <cambazz> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200mm-Polystyrene-Styrofoam-Poly-Modelling-Balls-Spheres-Round-White-Craft-Shape/160892053782?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D3f898c8e621e412594def4292f6b9a8a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D151590771024&rt=nc
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[16:02] <pc1pcl> cambazz: I got some of those kind of balls online a couple of years ago for a party, I think they were advertised as for sticking in flowers, which might help looking for them.
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[16:07] <pc1pcl> http://www.bloemschikwinkel.nl/piepschuim-bol-20-cm.html <== probably from there or some similar shop, all in horrible Dutch.
[16:07] <cambazz> ok looking thank you
[16:09] <pc1pcl> The two halves 'interlock' but don't really lock, it's kept together by friction, so would need some sort of measures to make sure it doesn't fall apart (rope, glue, pins, ducktape etc.)
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[16:12] <cambazz> pc1pcl : i found them but could not decide whether to get the 200mm or 150mm version. both have inner diameter of 3/4 of outer diameter
[16:12] <gonzo_> pink gaffa tape
[16:13] <cambazz> what is that
[16:16] <pc1pcl> I think I had the 20cm version, it had suprisingly little room inside to stuff gifts in anyway. Might be different for trackers of course
[16:16] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening!
[16:19] <pc1pcl> cambazz: maybe make a small model from two cardbord-cut discs with diameter matching the inner diameter to get a feeling of how much would fit inside.
[16:20] <cambazz> pc1pcl: i used gimp to measure id/od from photo.
[16:21] <cambazz> well i had the od, and then i did some measuring over photo to find out id is 0.73 times of od\
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[16:24] <pc1pcl> depending on what you want to stuff inside, it 11.25cm (or even 15cm) inside diameter might not be enough though.
[16:24] <gonzo_> gaffa tape == duct tape
[16:24] <gonzo_> and pink is traditional for HAB
[16:27] <cambazz> and i have some questions about the mechanics of a baloon flight. how does the payload and the baloon wobble? i mean what kind of movement will it be there?
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> At burst its horrendous movment!
[16:27] <pc1pcl> payload will rotate around the rope going up, and swing on it too.
[16:31] <pc1pcl> https://sites.google.com/a/isu.edu/isurise/research-and-development/balloon-stability
[16:31] <Vaizki> and use braided rope so there is no additional twist from it :)
[16:31] <cambazz> braided rope?
[16:32] <cambazz> well i was thinking what would happen if i have a servo attached to the rope that hangs to the baloon? i wonder if it can rotate the baloon, or would it twist the baloons mouth piece
[16:33] <pc1pcl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope#Braided_rope
[16:33] <Vaizki> cambazz: http://www.paddling.net/sameboat/Images/knotrope.gif
[16:33] <cambazz> oh ok thanks
[16:34] <cambazz> i see someone put a real gyro
[16:34] <cambazz> on a foam box
[16:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157632733154985/
[16:34] <Vaizki> upu has the flying harddrive of death gyro project
[16:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> That above was for babs flight
[16:36] <cambazz> oh wow
[16:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> He is doing a much more interesting full gimble for the Total ecclippse in 2017
[16:36] <cambazz> so it stablizes a camera with a special gimbal?
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The original one was just thw Gyros for stability, next one is another matter see here https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157636929911016/
[16:39] <Vaizki> cambazz: not only stabilize but also aim it at a certain spot on the ground
[16:39] <UpuWork> I am
[16:39] <cambazz> well i am hoping to make something that will snap the camera only it is at a certain position
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> From some Russian friends http://www.airpano.com/360Degree-VirtualTour.php?3D=Stratosphere
[16:41] <cambazz> and what do you think of this guys solution https://sites.google.com/a/isu.edu/isurise/research-and-development/balloon-stability
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[16:41] <cambazz> i dont think it is flight tested however
[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Once you get above about 20Km its quite stable apart from spin until burst
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[20:52] <Vaizki> Nice redeye home, lands at 03:35
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[22:31] <RB__> hi anyone about
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some of us are ;-)
[22:32] <RB__> is it worth getting an sdr dongle or is it better to go more expensive?
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[22:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Depends how much tracking and what sort you want to do, my take is start with a Dongle, add a Habamp if needed for filtering, go up market if you need more
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[23:23] <amell> looks like its all kicking off finally this weekend!
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