highaltitude.log.20150228

[00:00] <daveake> Similar to RTTY
[00:00] <cambazz> but faster?
[00:01] <daveake> faster means less range
[00:01] <daveake> There's always a trade-off between throughput and range
[00:02] <cambazz> yes i know that, but in lora are they as small as rtty? and in this lora do you use some receiver like sdr or its own ch1p
[00:03] <daveake> own chip
[00:05] <cambazz> and what is the badside of using lora? I have been reading the reports and it looks like amazing? 50mW 13700 bps 332km
[00:06] <daveake> Few people have suitable receivers; with RTTY most radio hams can help
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[00:06] <cambazz> ok i see.
[00:10] <cambazz> daveake: and my local electronics shop has them too. i could get my hands on http://www.direnc.net/DRF1278F-20dBm-LoRa-Long-Range-RF-Front-end-Module,PR-21399.html
[00:10] <cambazz> like tomorrow
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[00:27] <cambazz> daveake: I just realized you are http://www.daveakerman.com
[00:27] <cambazz> :)
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[00:30] <cambazz> but wait: do we still need the expensive tracking antennas with lora?
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[00:34] <Ian_> Do you work for GCHQ or DIRNSA at all . . .?
[00:35] <Ian_> Uncanny guesswork
[00:35] <cambazz> who me? no not at all
[00:35] <cambazz> what do you mean? :)
[00:35] <Ian_> Ha ha. forgive my humour. Daveake is probably rolling on the floor with a bacon roll about now.
[00:36] <cambazz> ok ok got it. what is dirnsa anyway? is it the new nsa gig
[00:36] <Ian_> Director NSA
[00:36] <cambazz> ok. this lora is too good to be true
[00:37] <Ian_> I believe that daveake and friends have done a lot of work with it.
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[07:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO2EIM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO2EIM-1
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[10:17] <infaddic_> morning. on a PCB is it best to mount the NTX2B vertical or horizontal>
[10:21] <infaddic_> also is there an EAGLE part or lib for the habsupplies ublox m8 breakout boards?
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[10:47] Action: R34lB0rg is in the sdr business now :)
[10:47] <cambazz> what sdr
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[10:56] <infaddic_> my SDR dongle arrived today, only ordered from cosy cave yesterday, great!
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[10:59] <Martin_G4FUI> A question about the web interface of tracker.habhub.org: Is there a way to enter one's personal location manually? It seems to be defaulting to something probably defined by my ISP which doesn't reflect reality ...
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[11:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-11 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-11
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[11:04] <infaddic_> Martin_G4FUI: do you have a GPS on your device?
[11:05] <infaddic_> if you dont then the browser will be determining your position based on wifi networks and ISP
[11:05] <infaddic_> i am not aware of any method to manually enter position
[11:05] <Martin_G4FUI> infaddic_, no, it's just a regular fixed PC connected to the 'net
[11:05] <infaddic_> ok that will be why, i get same on my MacBook. however if I use my iPhone (with GPS) it locks onto real position.
[11:06] <Martin_G4FUI> ok, interesting (maybe a desirable "feature" for fixed computers), but I'll fire it up on my Android smartphone and see what happens ...
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[11:12] <Martin_G4FUI> Yes, infaddic_ my the page on my smartphone correctly shows I'm in Cumbria, the PC thinks I'm in Hertfordshire! :)
[11:14] <infaddic_> ha thats quite a difference!
[11:14] <Martin_G4FUI> ... whilst you appear to be in the middle of the North Sea, infaddic_ !
[11:15] <infaddic_> yep i live 200m from sea and it often gets it wrong!
[11:15] <Martin_G4FUI> lol :)
[11:16] <Martin_G4FUI> However, if I fire up FL-Digi, at least I will get a radio tower in the right place!
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[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Martin_G4FUI, If the location is coming from the browser then you can load the geolocation add-on to let you manage your location yourself.
[11:45] <Martin_G4FUI> Geoff-G8DHE, never heard of that one! Over to Google !
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup you can choose one of the services like Google itself, or enter your own, I did it for the same reason fed up with the tracker icon way off real position!
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[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Actually check the options in Firefox its in the standard menu
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[11:50] <Martin_G4FUI> Using chrome ...
[11:51] <Martin_G4FUI> ... it shouldn't bee this hard!
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[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Does this work for you http://www.labnol.org/internet/geo-location/27878/
[11:59] <Martin_G4FUI> I tried that one before asking here, I fell at one of the hurdles. I can't find any reference in the Firefox settings either - I must be looking for the wrong thing!
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[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> In Firefox its under teh dropdown Tools menu
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[12:05] <Martin_G4FUI> No tools menu on my FF - hang on it's now updating ...
[12:06] <Martin_G4FUI> losing the will to live here :(
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Turn the Menu Bar on, rightclick on a blank area of the toolbars and click the Menu Bar option
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http:/www.g8dhe.net/ffGeolocation.jpg
[12:15] <R34lB0rg> can someone tell me how to tune a fm station with rtl2838u + gqrx
[12:15] <pc1pcl> I think I could, how far are you getting?
[12:15] <R34lB0rg> especially the parameters for sample rate, bandwidth, lnb lo
[12:16] <R34lB0rg> I am getting noise on a frequency there supposedly is a strong fm signal
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[12:17] <pc1pcl> Hmm one thing to make sure is to put the little antenna a fair bit away from the PC itself..
[12:17] <R34lB0rg> done
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[12:18] <R34lB0rg> sample rate 1.500.000 is ok?
[12:18] <R34lB0rg> mode narrow fm / wfm mono / wfm stereo?
[12:18] <pc1pcl> try a lot less rate I'd say, and WFM mono to start.
[12:20] <pc1pcl> If the sample rate is lower, the watterfall wil lbe less detailed, but at least you're not making the sytem work too hard.
[12:21] <pc1pcl> if you hear noise, I suppose that means you've got the audio gain up enough.
[12:21] <pc1pcl> but you might need to put the LNA gain up
[12:22] <pc1pcl> (input controls tab), move the slider all the way to the right.
[12:23] <R34lB0rg> lowest sample rate is 250000
[12:24] <pc1pcl> lnb LO should just be 0 and keep in mind that the frequency display might not be too accurate, but with FM broadcast you can be beside the signal quite a bit and should still hear something.
[12:26] <pc1pcl> Still just static/noise?
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[12:29] <cambazz> where can i get a 433mhz directional antenna, like a helical or yagi
[12:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPICDX1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPICDX1
[12:30] <pc1pcl> look on internet for '70cm' antennas.
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[12:42] <cambazz> daveake: i ordered the rfm98w. thanks for pointing out lora
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[12:50] <R34lB0rg> got it, thanks pc1pcl
[12:53] <pc1pcl> R34lB0rg: now that it is working you can of course increase the sample rate again and get more detail on the waterfall, but I guess you'll be playing with that for a bit now that you've got it proven to work.
[12:54] <R34lB0rg> I will have a deeper look into the settings now :)
[12:57] <R34lB0rg> or maybe i'll try wspr now
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[13:58] <infaddict> any recommended SDR software for OSX?
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[13:59] <pc1pcl> I think gqrx also exists for OSX?
[13:59] <infaddict> yep just found a port of it actually - is that a decent software?
[14:01] <pc1pcl> it's what I use on linux and I didn't find anything better yet. no experience with SDR on windows, but appearantly SDR# is better.
[14:03] <infaddict> ok thx trying to download osx version
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[14:06] <KC9SGV> How can I see the ham hub receiving stations ? Where...?
[14:07] <KC9SGV> Habhub
[14:07] <KC9SGV> Please post the URL
[14:07] <pc1pcl> tracker.habhub.org would show them if active.
[14:08] <KC9SGV> I only see the active balloons there
[14:08] <KC9SGV> Where are the receiving stations ?
[14:08] <pc1pcl> not many in US so maybe if you look at the european part of the map
[14:09] <KC9SGV> I am listening in Chicago
[14:09] <pc1pcl> yeah, I can see your littel tower on the map I think. only US station on the map at the moment I think.
[14:10] <KC9SGV> What URL ?
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[14:10] <pc1pcl> just http://tracker.habhub.org/
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[14:13] <KC9SGV_> iPad not showing listening stations
[14:14] <KC9SGV_> Is there an App for iPad ?
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[14:15] <KC9SGV_> Hallo
[14:15] <Ian_> I don't know, but see your tower NW of Chicago, so you are on the map
[14:16] <KC9SGV_> Thanks...
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[14:19] <infaddict> anybody know the name of the tiny little antenna connections on USB dongles? circular about 3mm across with tiny female pin in middle.
[14:20] <infaddict> mine didnt come with an antenna and not picking up even FM signals without one, so need to get an adaptor
[14:21] <infaddict> is it MCX?
[14:23] <pc1pcl> try putting in a bit of wire for starters.
[14:23] <infaddict> really? wow ok
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> being careful not to bend the pin - for when you do get the antenna
[14:24] <infaddict> just trying to prove the dongle is working by hopefully picking up some FM and maybe then move onto RTTY
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> In general.
[14:24] <R34lB0rg> infaddict, mine has a standard coax cable connector
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Find a pin that is the same diameter as the pin you want to connect to - or not much more
[14:24] <infaddict> R34lB0rg: right, this one is tiny, smaller than SMA. i think its MCX.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> wrap some - ideally tinned - wire around it
[14:25] <R34lB0rg> just put a ~20cm wire into the female part
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> and then just slip it carefully over your desired connecty thing
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> Stop me if I'm being too technical.
[14:25] <infaddict> so just connect the centre pin? not the shield
[14:25] <R34lB0rg> infaddict, precisely
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> you need to connect both to get proper performance.
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> But to see if it works - one works fin
[14:25] <infaddict> ok the centre pin hole is tiny, but will see if i have a breadboard pin or similar that might fit
[14:26] <infaddict> checked my box of pig tails and only have SMA and other large ones
[14:26] <R34lB0rg> you only need the shielding if you have a shielded cable and want to place the antenna away
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[14:26] <pc1pcl> I've got a dongle that seems to have a mcx connection with a female connection on the dongle, so sould be easy to put a length of wire in.
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> Or you can crack it open, and solder to the back of the antanna
[14:26] <SpeedEvil> connecotr
[14:26] <infaddict> im guessing its normal to pick 0 up with no antenna then ;-)
[14:27] <R34lB0rg> in fact the sensitivity is not very good
[14:27] <R34lB0rg> but i managed to pick up a local radio station
[14:31] <infaddict> ah i now see a small spike at 98.1
[14:31] <infaddict> havent wired anything
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> You really don't want it to pick up anything with no antenna
[14:33] <SpeedEvil> if it does, this means it's poorly shielded
[14:33] <Ian_> If you have any Ernie Ball #13 HAB . . . errr, Guitar strings
[14:34] <infaddict> yer actually its not a signal, not getting anything as i move around frequencies. what mode should i be in? narrow FM? wide?
[14:34] <pc1pcl> just a bit of jumper wire should work as antenna
[14:34] <infaddict> actually i play guitar so have some!
[14:34] <pc1pcl> WFM for FM boradcast stations
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[14:35] <pc1pcl> make sure you have audio gain open far enough, also RF gain to max, and probably best to set squelch level zo low it wil lalways be open.
[14:35] <Ian_> Nice fine wire to fit in places where a bit of breadboard hookup is too thick
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[14:35] <infaddict> yer breadboard too thick just tried
[14:36] <pc1pcl> just touching the center bit with it should be enough though, even if it won't stay put by itself..
[14:36] <infaddict> i can a slight reduction in noise (hiss) when i reach where i know a radio station is
[14:36] <infaddict> yep gonna dig out a guitar string!
[14:38] <Ian_> To make it a tighter fit a small kink will give it an interference fit.
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[14:40] <infaddict> bah no spare guitar strings but have stripped a length of thin wire from a 7 strand wire i have
[14:40] <pc1pcl> metal from trashbag binder fits here
[14:41] <infaddict> it works!!!!
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[14:41] <pc1pcl> :)
[14:41] <infaddict> crap local radio received!
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[14:42] <pc1pcl> now that you have a working setup, time to mess with the settings to see what breaks when you mess with which setting.
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[14:43] <infaddict> yep totally new to this. so can set any frequency by typing it in. there is channel filter offset (0 at moment) which seems to adjust the freq i've set.
[14:43] <infaddict> i then have SQL which i have at -150dBFS. if i slide that up nothing happens until about -29 when audio vanishes
[14:44] <infaddict> then i have gain which appears to be adjusting volume
[14:44] <pc1pcl> if you press the 'a' button next to squelch it wil lgo to 'just off'
[14:45] <infaddict> pc1pcl: i am in Gqrx at moment, doesnt seem to have 'a' button
[14:45] <pc1pcl> two gains: one in the 'audio' section which is basically the volume control for the demodulated audio output
[14:45] <alxwntr> infaddict: I have an aerial with that connexion
[14:45] <alxwntr> you can borrow it if you like
[14:45] <pc1pcl> infaddict: hmm mine has it right next to the Squelch field.
[14:45] <alxwntr> I'll send it
[14:46] <alxwntr> just a little desktop thing, but better than nothing
[14:46] <infaddict> alxwntr: thx but honestly i need to just buy a convertor to get to my mag mount that i have
[14:46] <alxwntr> sure
[14:46] <infaddict> so i have an antenna just wont fit the connection
[14:46] <alxwntr> no worries
[14:46] <infaddict> pc1pcl: mine is mac version not sure if different but SQL just had a slider no button
[14:46] <infaddict> ah found it
[14:46] <infaddict> i clicked input controls button
[14:47] <infaddict> that A seems to raise the gain?
[14:47] <pc1pcl> input controls has the other gain setting, (LNA gain) which is more-or-less thr radio-frequency gain (I just keep it all the way up)
[14:47] <infaddict> aha right
[14:48] <infaddict> let me put LNA gain right up then
[14:48] <infaddict> on receiver options page i dont have an A button next to SQL
[14:48] <pc1pcl> 'A' will adjust the squelch setting so it's just quiet, normally you'd press this when there's only noise, so when a real transmission starts, the sql'ch level is reach. layout might be different for different version of gqrx.
[14:49] <Ian_> When I bought my dongle from Cosy Cave it came with a slew of adaptors, but notice that they advertise 'without adaptors' now, indicating that they need to be bought seperately.
[14:49] <infaddict> yep
[14:49] <infaddict> which is fine, i wouldnt really use the tiny desk ones (other that for this initial test)
[14:49] <infaddict> now i have a bit of wire in it i can try dlfldigi
[14:50] <infaddict> see if i can pickup a RTTY waterfall
[14:50] <Ian_> Did it come with a small antenna at all?
[14:50] <pc1pcl> the tiny ones are good enough for local FM stations and also watching tv, dumping out airplane info with dump1090 etc.
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[14:52] <infaddict> nope no antenna came with SDR. i have a magmount 1/4 wave for 430mhz but it has BNC connector
[14:52] <infaddict> i have SMA to BNC's but nothing with this tiny MCX
[14:52] <infaddict> so think i'll get a little MCX to SMA
[14:52] <infaddict> and that means i can fit the magmount and also my Yagi
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[14:53] <pc1pcl> if trying to listen to rtty you should switch from WFM to USB mode in the receive options
[14:54] <infaddict> sure, just firing up arduino now to test it
[14:55] <pc1pcl> also probably want to zoom WAY in on the panadapter/WF display as those signals aren't as 'wide' as FM broadcast.
[14:55] <infaddict> yep seeing nothing at 434.200
[14:56] <infaddict> let me figure out how to zoom lol
[14:56] <pc1pcl> to zoom I put my mousepointer on the frequency scale , press control and then turn the scrollwheel on the mouse.
[14:56] <pc1pcl> I think Macs come with more than one mouse button thesedays, right?
[14:56] <infaddict> one pad but it senses right click
[14:56] <infaddict> no scroll wheel tho
[14:57] <infaddict> should filter be normal? or wide, narrow?
[14:57] <infaddict> AGC is fast
[14:58] <pc1pcl> normal should be enough, I think that's just under 3khz wide which matches fl-digi
[14:59] <infaddict> ok i can switch to fl-digi if thats better
[14:59] <infaddict> cant figure out how to zoom in Gqrx. tried ctrl, tried right mouse, mouse swipes. no button for it.
[15:00] <pc1pcl> it seems there used to be a zoom slider on the FFT panel,
[15:01] <pc1pcl> you'll still need gqrx to convert radiosignals to audio then feed that audio to fl-digi.
[15:01] <pc1pcl> fl-digi doesn't talk to the dongle itself.
[15:01] <infaddict> ah ok so why does fl-digi have frequency seting them
[15:03] <pc1pcl> because it can talk to ham-radio's via rig-control cbales.
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[15:04] <infaddict> ah right i see. ok i have gqrx running at 434.200 USB. not picking anything up in waterfall and just hear hiss. set fldigi to 434.200 USB and RTTY 50 mode.
[15:04] <infaddict> again nothing. just have my arduino sending high then low for now to try and get a waterfall.
[15:05] <pc1pcl> dongle frequency is not really too calibrated, so could be off, but as the WF is rathe rwide, you'd think something would show up.
[15:06] <infaddict> yer just checking something on arduino side
[15:06] <pc1pcl> tried just wiring up the NTX2B and switching it on/off/on to try and get a line on the waterfall
[15:06] <pc1pcl> ?
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Is the enable line on the NTX2B active ?
[15:10] <infaddict> i have power (3.3V) to both EN and VCC
[15:10] <infaddict> i see two spikes in Gqrx but not at my frequency
[15:11] <pc1pcl> and they disappear when you power off the transmitter?
[15:11] <infaddict> and as i cant zoom i cant really hone in on them
[15:11] <infaddict> lemme try
[15:11] <infaddict> bingo they vanish when power off
[15:11] <infaddict> so clearly by PWM'ing is shifting
[15:11] <infaddict> so let me power up again
[15:12] <pc1pcl> ok so your dongle is off frequency a bit, you could 'calibrate' it a bit better by putting in a 'Freq. correction' value in gqrx
[15:13] <pc1pcl> infaddict: How do you normally scroll e.g. a webpage ? maybe gqrx wil lalso recognize that as 'scrolling' and zoom in.
[15:14] <infaddict> i use two finger up and down (that sounds wrong)
[15:14] <infaddict> ;-/
[15:14] <infaddict> doesnt do anything
[15:14] <infaddict> even if i connect my imac mouse that has no scroll wheel either
[15:14] <pc1pcl> (e.g. with my laptop touchpad there's an area on the right that is used for scrolling)
[15:15] <pc1pcl> location on the window is important though, if i 'scroll' a bit higher than the horizontal scale, then it tunes up/down instead.
[15:21] <infaddict> very strange results
[15:22] <infaddict> let me take some screenshots
[15:26] <infaddict> ok, with radio off here is 434.2: http://postimg.org/image/iv1llrywv/
[15:27] <infaddict> then with radio on i get many peaks across the screen: http://postimg.org/image/qdyw7lu4j/
[15:30] <pc1pcl> try putting them further apart, or reducing the LNA gain
[15:30] <infaddict> reading threads there is no way to scroll unless you have a mouse with scroll wheel!
[15:31] <infaddict> which rules out entire mac population
[15:31] <infaddict> or zoom
[15:33] <pc1pcl> probably exist some tools for mac to bind some key or gesture to send the same sort of commands to programs that a scrollwheel would..
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[15:38] <infaddict> by trial and error (adjusting freq) i can find the waterfall. centre is at 434.062 and i hear alternating high and low beeps.
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[15:38] <infaddict> i just cant zoom on it
[15:39] <infaddict> my NTX2B out of box is 434.200. but not sure with USB and a simple high vs low test what shift that should result in
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[15:39] <infaddict> at present i am -131.36Khz to find the waterfall
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[15:42] <pc1pcl> I think the peak deviation of the ntx2b is +- 3 kHz so if you go from 0 to 3 V the peak should shift 6 kHz
[15:43] <infaddict> right so 131 out is a bit much1
[15:43] <pc1pcl> well, that's probably because the dongle is not 100% on the frequency it reports.
[15:45] <pc1pcl> try adding in a few different 'ppm' corrections, to get an idea of how much difference a small error in frequency makes
[15:45] <infaddict> ok thx. i can see the waterfall in grqx now (but cant zoom) but cant get fldigi to see it
[15:47] <pc1pcl> you'll need someway to link the audio Out from gqrx to the audio In of fl-digi.
[15:47] <pc1pcl> to see if fl-digi is working, you could try whistling into your microphone and something ought to show up in its WF.
[15:48] <pc1pcl> I think for Mac you can use 'soundflower' to loopback audio virtually.
[15:48] <infaddict> ah right so it doesnt just listen to the interal sound automatically
[15:49] <infaddict> yep i have soundflower so can try that
[15:49] <pc1pcl> 'normal' use for fldigi would be to listen to line in or microphone input where you'd connect your physical HAM radio.
[15:50] <pc1pcl> since the radio-receiver is now SDR program, you could also plug in a cable from headphone out back into line in (or mic in, but then turn the volume down really low)
[15:50] <pc1pcl> but with soundflower it supposedly is possible to do this virtually.
[15:52] <pc1pcl> you can start off with just some 'noise' or the local radio station in gqrx to see 'something' appear in the fldigi waterfall.
[15:54] <infaddict> yep just setting gqrx to local station and configuring soundflower
[15:54] <infaddict> thx for help!
[15:58] <infaddict> bah need to restart. back soon.
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[16:06] <infaddict> hum gqrx doesnt list soundflower as output device. just has 1 entry for default.
[16:08] <infaddict> and my mac has no line in, so unless i can get soundflower routing working i am goosed.
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[16:09] <pc1pcl> not even a microphone?
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[16:09] <infaddict> only built in microphone
[16:09] <infaddict> its a macbook
[16:09] <pc1pcl> for RTTY you can get some results even with that, playing it at reasonable loud level so microphone picks it back up.
[16:10] <pc1pcl> A cheap usb soundcard dongle could be a nice option
[16:12] <infaddict> soundflower should work. i think its a bug in gqrx. checking other apps to make sure they see soundflower.
[16:15] <pc1pcl> looks like gqrx at one point did work with soundflower reading this thread: http://www.papasys.com/printthread.php?t=1637
[16:20] <infaddict> i can set soundflowr to be the default I/O device. so i lose hearing the radio, but soundflower *should* be hearing it.
[16:20] <infaddict> i can then goto fldigi and i do see something in waterfall
[16:20] <infaddict> like yellow signals but no way to tell if its correct i guess
[16:21] <infaddict> let me try going back to RTTY to see if it can pick anything up
[16:23] <pc1pcl> WF of fldigi should look similar to the one in GQRX, except that it is only 3kHz wide as it's showing the audio spectrum only.
[16:24] <infaddict> well fldigi defo picking up sound from gqrx because if i pause gqrx i get blank waterfall in fldigi
[16:25] <infaddict> but in gqrx i do see a left/right waterfall pattern (just high level cos i cant zoom) but in fldigi i dont see it
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[16:28] <pc1pcl> fldigi will only get a very small part of the WF that gqrx sees.
[16:29] <pc1pcl> with the ntx2b you could easily have one peak too low and the other too high to notice either in fl-digi if you use more than 3khx of shift (about 1.5 V of input)
[16:29] <infaddict> gonna ditch Gqrx. if they cant get zooming working on a native OSX app they are wasting my time ;-/
[16:30] <infaddict> yep i only have small shift now. moving between 100 and 110 on the analog write
[16:31] <pc1pcl> I don't think there's too much choice in SDR programs though..
[16:32] <infaddict> i could move to my old windows laptop but i dont really want to
[16:32] <infaddict> esp for real tracking. battery sucks
[16:32] <pc1pcl> probably the programmer figures everyone would have a 'real mouse'
[16:32] <infaddict> i have never known any Mac in recent memory to have a real mouse
[16:32] <infaddict> even the white ones are touch swipe and no scroll wheel
[16:33] <infaddict> so will suffer same problem
[16:33] <infaddict> i would understand it if it was a windows app. buts its a mac port with no way to scroll.
[16:33] <pc1pcl> what happens if you plug a real mouse into the usb port of a mac? the scroll wheel doesn't do anyhting?
[16:33] <infaddict> i dont own a real mouse sadly
[16:34] <pc1pcl> Well it's probably not really a port as just a basic 'recompile'
[16:34] <pc1pcl> http://www.tesco.com/direct/technology-gaming/mouse/cat3374958.cat
[16:34] <infaddict> yep not good experience so far. cant detect soundflower when other apps can. and cant zoom.
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[16:37] <pc1pcl> it's open-source so might not be too hard to hack it so '+' and '-' would scroll.
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[16:56] <infaddict> thx for help pc1pcl. I've posted on their google groups page about zooming and soundflower issues.
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[16:57] <infaddict> Later I will try on Windows (and could also use SDR# there) but whole point of my shiny new macbook was to be able to do all of this on it
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[18:59] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[19:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f0gra_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f0gra_chase
[20:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03f6gau_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=f6gau_chase
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[20:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VE6TS-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=VE6TS-11
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[21:17] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Monster_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=Monster_chase
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[22:12] <Joekul> Hi there!
[22:13] <Joekul> I am testing my tracker
[22:13] <Joekul> payload HB9FUF-4
[22:14] <Joekul> which I see in the parser logtail
[22:14] <Joekul> but not on the map
[22:15] <Joekul> do I need a flightdoc as well?
[22:16] <Upu> you need a payload document
[22:16] <Upu> and then it should appear
[22:16] <Joekul> hi upu
[22:17] <Upu> !ping HB9FUF-4
[22:17] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No contact from 03HB9FUF-4
[22:17] <Upu> sec
[22:17] <Upu> "_fix_invalid": true,
[22:18] <Upu> amended to remove the invalid fix setting
[22:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9FUF-4 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HB9FUF-4
[22:18] <Upu> New doc 1f544ad01f63a9a31bc80b6a6b90faa4
[22:18] <Upu> ---/\
[22:18] <Joekul> thanks!
[22:18] <Upu> nps
[22:19] <Upu> Habduino ?
[22:19] <Joekul> bwsed on your habduino code yes
[22:19] <Joekul> Anarduino
[22:19] <Joekul> rfm69H
[22:20] <Upu> ah ok
[22:20] <Upu> was about to say you have 868Mhz in the doc
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[22:21] <Joekul> haaaa That was my first rfm radio on my breadboard
[22:21] <Joekul> I need fix my payload dic
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used the l3gd20 gyro sensor?
[22:26] <Joekul> Thanks a lot upu. Good night.
[22:26] <Upu> nps
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[22:27] <infaddict> Hey Upu is here an Eagle file for the GPS breakout boards on habsupplies?
[22:27] <Upu> evening infaddict
[22:27] <Upu> nope
[22:27] <Upu> which one ?
[22:27] <infaddict> i have the ublox 8MC
[22:27] <Upu> M8C ?
[22:27] <infaddict> sry M8C
[22:27] <infaddict> with the chip antenna
[22:27] <Upu> ok
[22:27] <Upu> thats super simple
[22:28] <infaddict> yep its just 6 pins so could easily do it, just wondered if there was one
[22:28] <Upu> what are you after the schematic or the PCB ?
[22:28] <infaddict> both ideally. i have my schematic pretty much done other than the ublox at the moment.
[22:28] <infaddict> but if it doesnt exist i can try to create my own
[22:29] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/fjxlUJs.png
[22:29] <infaddict> thats the fella
[22:29] <Upu> very old tbh
[22:29] <Upu> make your own
[22:29] <Upu> good practice :)
[22:29] <infaddict> yer np. tbh all that is important to me are the 6 pins the the size of the footprint of the board
[22:30] <Upu> 2.54mm pitch header
[22:30] <Upu> fairly standard
[22:30] <infaddict> yep
[22:30] <Upu> Sparkfun M06
[22:30] <infaddict> and i can measure the breakout board
[22:31] <infaddict> i see M06 as an amp quick connector in my library
[22:32] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4xaitcymiwv5pt/SparkFun.lbr?dl=0
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[22:36] <infaddict> thx upu installed that and set to use it. only M06 search is still a single amp quick connector.
[22:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-37 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PS-37
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[23:52] <Laurenceb_> so many PS-XX
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> have they done circumnavigation yet?
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