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[00:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[00:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AIRCOR-1 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AIRCOR-1
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[05:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LAASE - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LAASE
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[08:27] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
[08:33] <UpuWork> ooo
[08:33] <UpuWork> nice
[08:46] <Vaizki> ooo indeed, is that the second lap?
[08:51] <Maxell> \o/ K6RPT-12
[08:54] <Maxell> "Transcontinental and Transatlantic crossing attempt, APRS transmission frequency is 144.390 MHz" <--- why go for fixed frequency? :(
[08:54] <UpuWork> yes
[08:54] <Vaizki> according to the telemetry graph, it crossed the atlantic in 5 minutes?
[08:54] <UpuWork> 3 days
[08:54] <Vaizki> oh sorry you're right
[08:55] <Vaizki> managed to somehow get a small scrollbar on my habhub tracker window :P
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[09:05] <fsphil> he's using 144.390?
[09:05] <fsphil> WHYYYY
[09:05] <fsphil> frequency agile aprs is so 2014
[09:06] <fsphil> that's like, years old
[09:08] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03chase_M0RPI - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=chase_M0RPI
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[09:09] <LunarWork> hello
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[09:10] <fsphil> morning LL
[09:11] <daveake> Leaving soon for a date with a tree
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[09:11] <fsphil> good to see you branching out
[09:13] <gonzo_> leaf it out
[09:13] <gonzo_> (and cue the whole pun script)
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[09:19] <fsphil> can't see the forest for the payloads
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[09:34] <ibanezmatt13> When you have a capacitor in series with a battery and you charge it up, once it is charged a current will no longer flow right?
[09:36] <zyp> that is correct
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[09:36] <ibanezmatt13> cool thanks. I tried something yesterday and ended up with a current reading while it was charged up, but thinking back I reckon it was becuase I had a resistor in parallel with it, cheers
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[09:41] <mfa298> fsphil: maybe that's why half of americans don't know the rest of the world exists. They fly balloons around on 144.390 that only get received in the USA, therefore nothing else exists or it would be picked up elsewhere
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[10:29] <gonzo_> or designing a payload to changing frequency is more difficult than just putting an APRS handheld in a polystyrene box
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[10:30] <fsphil> yea but they haven't
[10:31] <Vaizki> maybe they will crash this one also in Morocco :)
[10:31] <LunarWork> ah the California people are flying again?
[10:32] <fsphil> same one I think?
[10:32] <gonzo_> using a freq cgangeable tx? (I's say agile, but that just sounds like a mgmnt buzzword)
[10:32] <Maxell> gonzo_: "Transcontinental and Transatlantic crossing attempt, APRS transmission frequency is 144.390 MHz"
[10:32] <fsphil> going forward we must energise our language
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[10:33] <gonzo_> adaptize and and varyize
[10:33] <fsphil> I like your synergy
[10:34] <gonzo_> I feel I must go for a shower now!
[10:35] <LunarWork> was that actually launched in Japan?
[10:35] <gonzo_> one of the guys here used to dig up victorian words that were long obsolete and drop them in meetings when mgmnt used bullshite ones
[10:35] <LunarWork> oh circumnavigation
[10:35] <LunarWork> cool
[10:36] <gonzo_> (why can I never see that word without giggling)
[10:37] <LunarWork> hmm
[10:37] <LunarWork> xD
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[10:41] <Vaizki> we need a circumnavigating condom-balloon
[10:41] <jonsowman> nope
[10:41] <jonsowman> we don't
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> I tried to do one, but then realised that all my condoms were longer than 2m.
[10:43] <jonsowman> sigh
[10:43] <fsphil> that didn't take long
[10:43] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - you can't circumnavigate the globe with latex of any form.
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> It's too UV sensitive.
[10:44] <SpeedEvil> And you really want a rigid balloon you can do superpressure with.
[10:46] <LunarWork> XD!
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[10:57] <gonzo_> the free lift from a condom is not great
[10:58] <gonzo_> and they are slippy as hell so you lose losts, as they get away whilst trying to fill them from the bottle
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[10:59] <SpeedEvil> Unlubricated is probably better
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[11:03] <alxwntr> Good morning!
[11:03] <alxwntr> I don't suppose there's anyone around who could help with an electronics problem
[11:03] <alxwntr> ?
[11:03] <LunarWork> just ask
[11:03] <LunarWork> :)
[11:04] <alxwntr> Cheers!
[11:04] <alxwntr> I have been hacking a digital camera
[11:04] <alxwntr> I have worked out the switches for On/OFF, Focus and Shutter
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DC2EH-12 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DC2EH-12
[11:04] <alxwntr> I want to control it with the Arduino
[11:04] <gonzo_> leo said that he co-workesr were finding bits of failed fill attemots around the office for ages.
[11:05] <alxwntr> and I was thinking of doing so with some transistors
[11:05] <LunarWork> ah, i.e. that the arduino triggers the cam?
[11:05] <alxwntr> yup
[11:05] <alxwntr> The switches seem to work by pulling certain terminals low
[11:05] <alxwntr> i.e. connecting them to gnd
[11:06] <alxwntr> when I use my meter to connect them, they seem to give around 35uA of current
[11:06] <gonzo_> some cameras have a martix type wiring for the varions buttons. I've ended up having to resort to relays (very small/low current ones) to give the isolation required
[11:07] <alxwntr> the question is, are there issues with controlling this kind of v low current with npn transistors?
[11:07] <craag> Shouldn't be.
[11:08] <craag> just check that they do pull them to the same ground as you're using on the arduino board.
[11:08] <alxwntr> ah. I was thinking of just connecting the emmiter to the live terminal and then giving some current to the base to open the connexion
[11:08] <alxwntr> sure - I can connect the two
[11:08] <craag> Don't want to accidentally pull them to what from their perspective is -5V.
[11:09] <alxwntr> oh sure.
[11:09] <alxwntr> So does this seem like a sensible way of making triggers?
[11:09] <craag> err you mean collector to the switch, emitter to ground, base through a resistor to the arduino?
[11:09] <edmoore> i used mosfets for exactly this
[11:09] <edmoore> faking button presses
[11:09] <edmoore> when hacking cameras for balloons
[11:09] <gonzo_> it's worth checking that what you think is the cold side of the switch actually gies to ground
[11:10] <craag> mosfets are a nice way of doing it - no resistor required - jsut make sure the threshold voltage is low enough :)
[11:10] <alxwntr> sorry craag, that's exactly what I should have said
[11:10] <Vaizki> but mosfets are pretty big usually?
[11:10] <gonzo_> with all the unknowns, a relay worked. Bit brutal, but there ypou go
[11:10] <edmoore> Vaizki, no?
[11:10] <craag> Vaizki: Power mosfets are. Just like power transistors.
[11:11] <edmoore> not even in any way
[11:11] <alxwntr> eh, ed?
[11:11] <craag> They both scale down.
[11:11] <Vaizki> ok, I've never seen small ones then.. ok some SMD yes
[11:11] <edmoore> they go much smaller
[11:11] <alxwntr> ok
[11:11] <edmoore> your intel isn't BJTs
[11:11] <alxwntr> it's just that I have some BJTs knocking around
[11:12] <alxwntr> but I wasn't sure about this tiny current
[11:12] <edmoore> that's why i went with mosfets
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[11:12] <edmoore> saved having to worry about if the base current had anywhere to go
[11:12] <alxwntr> 35uA is much lower than what I've encountered before
[11:12] <edmoore> but it'll probably work with either
[11:12] <edmoore> try it
[11:12] <alxwntr> right
[11:12] <alxwntr> so, here's a question:
[11:13] <alxwntr> if the base current is higher t han the emmiter/collector current, is that a problem, or will they both flow to the emmitor at gnd?
[11:13] <edmoore> it's no biggie
[11:14] <alxwntr> ok great
[11:14] <edmoore> it'll just come back via your common ground
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[11:14] <alxwntr> right
[11:14] <edmoore> fire away
[11:14] <alxwntr> well, in that case I'll do some tests with the components I have and see how I get on.
[11:15] <edmoore> i deadbugged (with glue) sot23 packages to the camera pcb
[11:15] <edmoore> and green-wired to the relevent bits
[11:15] <alxwntr> just out of interest, which mosfets would you recommend if I can't get the BJTs to work?
[11:16] <edmoore> pff
[11:16] <edmoore> god knows
[11:16] <edmoore> any old
[11:16] <edmoore> just whatever's in my parts bin
[11:17] <alxwntr> oh ok. Just that I've never used them, so I wouldn't know which ones would be appropriate
[11:17] <pc1pcl> whatever the local radio/electronics store has then, I guess. If there is one..
[11:17] <alxwntr> Maplin?
[11:17] <alxwntr> *spits
[11:18] <edmoore> if you've never used them and don't want to faff too much, get logic-level ones
[11:18] <alxwntr> ok, that's great. Thanks Ed
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[11:19] <edmoore> n channel
[11:19] <alxwntr> right. Like the BJT
[11:19] <edmoore> so i would look for something like a logic-level, n-channel sot23 mosfet
[11:19] <edmoore> a typical one might be say 50V, 200mA rated
[11:20] <edmoore> way more than you need of course but that's just a typical spec, and if you see that you're probably looking at the right thing
[11:20] <edmoore> remember pulldown resistor
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[11:20] <edmoore> also you will repaid in happiness many times if you do a decent job of getting the cable out of the camera case to a nice connector
[11:21] <edmoore> rather than loose wires with a random old molex wafing on the end
[11:21] <edmoore> i did the latter when i didn't know any better
[11:21] <alxwntr> heh
[11:21] Action: craag looks at his loose wires out of the camera with a random molex on the end...
[11:21] <alxwntr> Well, that's where I am - wires soldered already
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[11:22] <alxwntr> although, I'm pretty happy with the job
[11:23] <edmoore> so i did this
[11:23] <edmoore> https://i.imgur.com/h2eYEtI.jpg
[11:23] <edmoore> a few years ago
[11:23] <edmoore> it was a 300fps casio that captured this parachute test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzEcSO6oDcY
[11:23] <alxwntr> I take it mosfets can be used like BJTs, as in: B = G, C = S, E = D?
[11:23] <edmoore> but the wiring was just shit
[11:23] <edmoore> alxwntr, yes
[11:25] <craag> I've got a molex socket that connects to a header on the PCB, no tape at least :)
[11:25] <craag> What would be a better way?
[11:26] <alxwntr> Fantastic video
[11:26] <alxwntr> high frame-rate makes it look like it's in zero-g
[11:26] <alxwntr> :D
[11:41] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Flight recovered. Used a mast, pole, 1 length of ali, 2 hooks and half a reel of gaffa tape #ukhas http://t.co/o4J0ETrWdh
[11:42] <Vaizki> whee!
[11:42] <daveake> Well that was fun :/
[11:43] <mattbrejza> no photo of the recovery contraption?
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[11:44] <Vaizki> it's got a rudder on it? :)
[11:44] <daveake> Soon :)
[11:50] <daveake> At one point telescopic mast came apart at the topmost joint, leaving it hanging from the pole which in turn was hanging from the payload
[11:50] <daveake> So we had to put a hook on the mast, to retrieve the pole :p
[11:50] <daveake> Anyway all came down except for the chute
[12:08] <Vaizki> you cut the line or tore it off?
[12:10] <daveake> Pulled till the line gave way, above the upper payload
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[12:11] <Vaizki> ok.. asking because if i launch here, trees are a probable landing spot
[12:11] <Vaizki> or a lake
[12:11] <daveake> Use a weaker top line
[12:11] <daveake> i.e. from upper payload to chute, assuming >1 payload
[12:15] <gonzo_> a time you could have done with a remote payload cutdown system
[12:16] <gonzo_> if you can release the line from the payload, at least you only have to play long range snooker to get the payload down
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[12:49] <R34lB0rg> hi
[12:50] <edmoore> launch in 10 mins
[12:50] <R34lB0rg> i am planning to launch a high altitude balloon based on ardupilot
[12:50] <edmoore> ardupilot is probably the wrong choice
[12:50] <R34lB0rg> can the 3dr radio be used to transmit rtty?
[12:50] <edmoore> don't know
[12:50] <edmoore> ardupilot is probably the wrong choice
[12:50] <edmoore> use something else
[12:51] Action: Laurenceb stumbles into the channel
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> whats launching edmoore ?
[12:51] <Laurenceb> what is doing what in 10 minutes?
[12:51] <R34lB0rg> i explicitly want to use ardupilot with modified firmware
[12:51] <Laurenceb> lol ardupilot
[12:51] <edmoore> re-entry test vehicle
[12:51] <edmoore> look for esa webpage
[12:51] <edmoore> IXV
[12:51] <Laurenceb> oh epic
[12:51] <edmoore> but i seriously wouldn't use ardupilot R34lB0rg
[12:51] <Laurenceb> what eroomde said
[12:52] <daveake> ardupilot was used by someone else
[12:52] <daveake> who then claimed an altitude record
[12:52] <daveake> because he did not understand how ardupilot measures altitude
[12:52] <R34lB0rg> my objective is to test a high altitude lifting body and propulsion - so I want to use ardupilot
[12:52] <edmoore> that doesn't follow but ok
[12:52] <edmoore> so
[12:52] <edmoore> make sure it gets altitude only from gps
[12:52] <edmoore> put the gps in airborne mode
[12:52] <daveake> is there any actual piloting going on?
[12:53] <daveake> if not, use something else
[12:53] <R34lB0rg> normally ardupilot would use barometric data to calculate altitude - totale useless for balooning
[12:53] <daveake> I know
[12:53] <daveake> He didn't
[12:53] <edmoore> ignore altitute from baro, or maybe combine it with gps altiutude at lower pressures
[12:53] <daveake> It can be changed - there's a setting to tell it to use GPS instead
[12:53] <R34lB0rg> that's the plan
[12:53] <R34lB0rg> my big question at the moment is the telemetry
[12:54] <edmoore> well help us out
[12:54] <edmoore> link to the radio
[12:54] <Laurenceb> ardupilot involves horrifying stuff like mavlink
[12:54] <daveake> Make or buy a separate tracker
[12:54] <edmoore> basically in here with think ardupilot is a bit naff so don't bother keeping up with it in detail
[12:54] <edmoore> so you'll have to help us
[12:54] <R34lB0rg> Laurenceb, that's why I am asking here
[12:54] <Laurenceb> it does have some half sane control code now
[12:54] <daveake> <daveake> is there any actual piloting going on?
[12:54] <Laurenceb> but theres so much legacy crud
[12:54] <edmoore> launch in 5 minutes
[12:55] <Laurenceb> and so much mavlink
[12:55] <Laurenceb> try taulabs
[12:55] <Laurenceb> they are way more sane
[12:55] <edmoore> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Launchers/IXV/Watch_IXV_launch
[12:55] <Laurenceb> #taulabs
[12:55] <R34lB0rg> can the 3dr radio be set to a different mode - rtty, prn, turbo codes?
[12:55] <Laurenceb> lol
[12:55] <Laurenceb> no
[12:56] <R34lB0rg> daveake, yes, there will be
[12:56] <Laurenceb> unless you rewrite the firmware
[12:56] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, so what's the aim on the lifting body?
[12:56] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, all of those things are not really type-compatible concepts
[12:56] <edmoore> one is a modulation
[12:56] <edmoore> on is a baseband encoding scheme
[12:56] <edmoore> the other is error correction
[12:57] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, one option would be to generate audio data in ardupilot and transmit with 3dr
[12:57] <R34lB0rg> the other would be to set 3dr to a more useful mode
[12:58] <edmoore> those are all options
[12:58] <Laurenceb> id go with a custom pcb
[12:58] <Laurenceb> heh vega looks like cgi
[12:58] <edmoore> it's on hold
[12:58] <Laurenceb> too perfect
[12:59] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, new altitude record, probably reaching orbit
[12:59] <edmoore> [french accent]: 'we 'old vega launch at t-minooz four minute, for say, five to 10 years'
[12:59] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, you're not going to reach orbit
[13:00] <Laurenceb> technically you can
[13:00] <edmoore> which is a bullshit distinction as you well know
[13:00] <Laurenceb> but no with lifting body stuff
[13:00] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:00] <Laurenceb> *not
[13:00] <edmoore> you're not going into orbit with a hab and an ardupilot
[13:00] <edmoore> any more than you're going to the moon with an estes kit
[13:00] <Laurenceb> lolno
[13:01] <Laurenceb> <R34lB0rg> are you working on a university team?
[13:01] <R34lB0rg> no
[13:02] <Laurenceb> im confused
[13:02] <Laurenceb> why the lifting body?
[13:02] <edmoore> i fully support you working on doing lifting body researchm, completely
[13:02] <edmoore> but saying you're going to reach orbit seems to suggest you don't know enough to have a realistic chance of doing something useful
[13:02] <R34lB0rg> I want to build a very light lifting / sears-haack body
[13:03] <R34lB0rg> and use a propulsion only efficient in very thin air
[13:03] <edmoore> and also yes, why a lifting body if the goal is an altitude record or orbit? lifting bodies help with neither
[13:03] <R34lB0rg> and I wonder how high that can go
[13:03] <edmoore> lifting bodies are designed to have controllable lift-to-drag in hypersonic streams
[13:03] <edmoore> well it can go as high as a bowling ball or a goldfish
[13:03] <edmoore> or whatever you strap ontop a rocket
[13:03] <edmoore> it's not really about lifting bodies
[13:04] <R34lB0rg> to reach orbit I have to pass the atmosphere (balloon, buoyancy) and the stratosphere (provides no buoyancy but can provide lift)
[13:04] <Laurenceb> also its hard to launch anything aerodynamic from a hab
[13:04] <edmoore> you can't fly into orbit
[13:04] <Laurenceb> as it needs to be doing ~mach1 before it stabilises
[13:05] <R34lB0rg> i don't want to launch from the hab - i want to build the hab as sears-haack lifting body
[13:05] <Vaizki> ok so went for lunch and come back to an interstellar UAV mission?
[13:05] <Vaizki> this channel has everything
[13:05] <Laurenceb> UAV flight to mars, you know it makes sense
[13:05] <edmoore> so the hab is part of the lifting body?
[13:05] <edmoore> why?
[13:06] <R34lB0rg> the hab is the lifting body
[13:06] <Lunar_LanderU> why hold?
[13:06] <edmoore> they haven't said yet
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> there trying to find out
[13:06] <Lunar_LanderU> ah
[13:06] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, i don't think sears-haack provides any lift
[13:06] <Lunar_LanderU> that sounds like some tech problem, not weather
[13:07] <edmoore> without an angle of attack anyway, and at that point its advantages disappear
[13:07] <edmoore> it's jsut a theoretical shape rather than a controllable flying vehicle shape
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[13:09] <R34lB0rg> the idea is that the propulsion will provide additional vertical lift when the hab reaches its maximum altitude
[13:10] <Vaizki> the guy just wanted to ask about 3dr radios and now you're doing that science mumbo jumbo again to ruin his project :(
[13:10] <edmoore> ok
[13:10] <edmoore> but it has to turn sideways at some point to go into orbit
[13:10] <Vaizki> and to answer your question, no don't use 3dr radios
[13:10] <R34lB0rg> once the vehicle reaches it's maximum achievable altitude ardupilot will steer to the east slowly increasing horizontal speed
[13:10] <Laurenceb> ...
[13:11] <edmoore> its maximum achievable altitude is when the fuel runs out
[13:11] <Laurenceb> this is getting too silly, im going to the shops instead
[13:11] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, sorry, you're either brilliant and an old grey-beard whose throught this all through, or you are well well below the dunning-kruger threshold and really need to do some very basic rocket science
[13:11] <R34lB0rg> i want to build a airship capable of transitioning from buoyancy to vertical propulsion to aerodynamic lift to ?centrifugal? force
[13:11] <edmoore> i'm suspecting the latter but i won't presume so
[13:12] <edmoore> so, what kind of size and mass are you thinking? what is your propellant mass fraction?
[13:12] <edmoore> what are your propellants?
[13:12] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, I do have a grey beard ;)
[13:12] <R34lB0rg> ions taken from the surrounding atmosphere
[13:13] <edmoore> what provides the power to propell the ions?
[13:14] <R34lB0rg> a combination of LiPo batteries, fuel cell (burning hydrogen from the balloon) and solar
[13:14] <edmoore> i am interested in a very honest and genuine way, as i also work on new ways of getting into orbit
[13:15] <edmoore> i can't see how you could possible get enough delta-v from a balloon's worth of gaseous hydrogen
[13:15] <edmoore> it'd barely give you an extra 10m/s
[13:15] <Lunar_LanderU> ah "Ensemble de Lancement" is Red
[13:15] <Lunar_LanderU> https://twitter.com/esa/status/565496831116054529
[13:16] <edmoore> the energy density of LiPos is so bad that they couldn't even get themselves into orbit if they perfectly turned all of their energy into some kind of momentum exchange
[13:17] <edmoore> and solar is just a joke
[13:17] <edmoore> you're orders of magnitude away from having the power density to do anything
[13:17] <edmoore> have you quantified any of these thoughts?
[13:17] <edmoore> there is understanding the problem quantitatively, and there is not understanding it
[13:17] <edmoore> and there is no middle ground between those two
[13:18] <R34lB0rg> I have to admit that i have not done the precise maths on the energy requirements yet
[13:18] <R34lB0rg> but at least i think i could achieve a new altitude record
[13:18] <edmoore> you don't need to do it precisely
[13:18] <edmoore> as engineers all we need to do initially is estimate
[13:19] <edmoore> we must have an intuition for the orders of quantities
[13:19] <edmoore> to see if we're in the right ballpark or not
[13:19] <R34lB0rg> usually i do
[13:19] <edmoore> i don't think you have even done that
[13:19] <edmoore> i'm not having a go, you understand
[13:19] <R34lB0rg> but in this case i will need to calculate how much drag (=energy loss) the vehicle will be experiencing
[13:19] <edmoore> i'll listen to any comers on this issue as i find it very interesting
[13:19] <adamgreig> lol, lipos get 1400m/s delta-v if they perfectly go to a momentum exchange
[13:20] <adamgreig> I mean, that's not bad, over 3000mph
[13:20] <adamgreig> tesla have some way to go
[13:20] <edmoore> (orbit is about 8000m/s fyi R34lB0rg)
[13:20] <adamgreig> but it's a long shot from orbit
[13:20] <adamgreig> and that's with the very best in lithium battery technology
[13:20] <R34lB0rg> if i can more efficiently generate energy and momentum then slowed by drag - win!
[13:20] <adamgreig> more readily available lipos about half that
[13:21] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, ok, i encourage you to have a go of course
[13:21] <R34lB0rg> that's why I don't want to depend on the lipos
[13:21] <edmoore> but please get a basic quantitative model of all this first
[13:22] <R34lB0rg> hydrogen would be a lot more efficient as it incurrs no weight penalty
[13:22] <adamgreig> it.. what
[13:22] <edmoore> what?
[13:22] <edmoore> hydrogen incurs no weight penalty!?
[13:22] <edmoore> of course it does
[13:22] <R34lB0rg> I can carry as much hydrogen as i want to the stratosphere
[13:23] <R34lB0rg> where I can use it's energy
[13:23] <edmoore> yes but you still have to accelerate it
[13:23] <edmoore> because... it has mass
[13:23] <R34lB0rg> agreed
[13:23] <Laurenceb> not to feed the troll...
[13:23] <R34lB0rg> so, does hydrogen gas have enough energy to propel itself into orbit
[13:23] <Laurenceb> but solar thermal airships can get to orbit
[13:23] <edmoore> R34lB0rg, ok
[13:23] <Laurenceb> using ammonia fuel
[13:23] <edmoore> you just just don't know what you're talking about
[13:24] <Laurenceb> _just_ need a few microns thick reflector to collect the solar
[13:24] <edmoore> you're nowhere near equipped to try anything like this
[13:24] <edmoore> all your questions suggest deep confusion about.... everything
[13:24] <edmoore> so
[13:24] <adamgreig> ooh the countdown timer has turned from red to green on the ESA TV
[13:24] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:24] <Laurenceb> lol
[13:24] <adamgreig> it's still held at 4:00 tho
[13:25] <Laurenceb> edmoore was right about the 5 to 10 years
[13:25] <adamgreig> problem with a telemetry link apparently
[13:25] <edmoore> go away for a year or so, grab a few good textbooks, then come back
[13:25] <Laurenceb> should have used ardupilot
[13:25] <edmoore> you want to first look up 'the rocket equation'
[13:25] <edmoore> understand how you derive it
[13:25] <edmoore> then do some chemistry and rocket stuff - i recommend 'rocket propulsion elements' by george sutton
[13:26] <edmoore> if you can understand the first 2-3 chapters of that you'll be in a much, much better position to be able to even grapple with these concepts, because right now you can't
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[13:26] <R34lB0rg> i don't want to build a rocket
[13:27] <edmoore> i'm not telling you to build a rocket
[13:27] <edmoore> but right now you wouldn't even know how to, or the basic concepts of momentum exchange to generate thrust, so you're in no position to build something that attempts orbit
[13:28] <edmoore> you don't need this book to build a rocket, you need it to just understand the basics
[13:28] <edmoore> or just a good undergraduate mechanics textbook
[13:28] <adamgreig> high altitude photos of vegas, following on from the earlier ones of NYC, at night time
[13:28] <adamgreig> https://www.storehouse.co/stories/r1qx6-air-sin-city-10-8k
[13:28] <adamgreig> someone should fly that camera on a HAB ;)
[13:28] <adamgreig> only costs a few grand..
[13:28] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, I am going ahead with a test anyway
[13:29] <edmoore> sure
[13:29] <edmoore> but you're just pissing into the wind
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> which country are you in R34lB0rg ?
[13:29] <edmoore> if you're happy to do that, that's completely fine
[13:29] <edmoore> you'll probably have fun
[13:29] <R34lB0rg> Geoff-G8DHE, austria :-/
[13:29] <edmoore> but don't go around saying you're going to put things into orbit
[13:29] <edmoore> as that's just a preposterous joke
[13:29] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, and I probably get a new altitude record
[13:30] <edmoore> wait until you get it
[13:30] <R34lB0rg> and I probably inspire people to improve my approach
[13:30] <edmoore> then come and show me
[13:30] <edmoore> i'll buy you a drink
[13:30] <edmoore> it's talk until then
[13:30] <edmoore> which doesn't count for anything
[13:30] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, I am going to try
[13:30] <edmoore> sure
[13:30] <edmoore> go and try
[13:30] <edmoore> stop talking to me
[13:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BERKOHAB - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BERKOHAB
[13:30] <edmoore> go and try
[13:31] <Vaizki> can't be that hard can it
[13:31] <Vaizki> :D
[13:31] <R34lB0rg> and until I have done the maths on lift, drag and energy or tried I cannot say how high it will go
[13:31] <adamgreig> new launch time for Vega 1340
[13:33] <edmoore> noted
[13:34] <R34lB0rg> edmoore, you wanted to know why I need piloting capabilities for my hab...
[13:36] <edmoore> i suspect this is unusual enough (aerodynamically) that almost all of the ardupilot code will need modifying
[13:36] <Vaizki> and you wanted to know if you can use 3dr radios for getting to orbit, no you can't
[13:37] <adamgreig> countdown is running again
[13:37] <edmoore> watching
[13:37] <R34lB0rg> I wanted to know if I can use 3DR radios in a mode that is good for long distance receiption
[13:38] <edmoore> look up what chip the 3dr radio uses
[13:38] <edmoore> find the datasheet for that chip
[13:38] <edmoore> see if you can
[13:38] <adamgreig> my video stream keeps cutting back to the 4m timer and temporary hold message, lol
[13:38] <R34lB0rg> and i've done programming for living for some time - modifying the ardupilot will be possible for me
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> HM-TRP radio modules, with Si1000 8051 micro-controller and Si4432 radio module
[13:39] <adamgreig> any better stream than the esa website one?
[13:39] <edmoore> not found one
[13:40] <edmoore> too late to look now
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> liftoff
[13:40] <adamgreig> got 60 seconds ;)
[13:40] <adamgreig> wait what Lunar_LanderU
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> latency?
[13:40] <adamgreig> lol
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> +45
[13:40] <adamgreig> T-10
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> ah
[13:41] <adamgreig> oh niiice
[13:41] <adamgreig> having the countdown in french is more fun
[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> :)
[13:41] <adamgreig> and I enjoy the rocket doing nothing at all and then at zero it just lights up and takes off
[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> yea, that's solid fuel
[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> :)
[13:41] <adamgreig> whoosh
[13:42] <adamgreig> very pleasing
[13:42] <Vaizki> yet another borked streak
[13:42] <edmoore> quite fast
[13:42] <Vaizki> nice bags under the eyes there
[13:43] <Vaizki> well that went up quick
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[13:43] <Vaizki> 125km up
[13:45] <Laurenceb> i sense labview
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[13:47] <Laurenceb> weird attitude
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[14:01] <fsphil> oh the esa thing. how's it going?
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[14:02] <R34lB0rg> back to my initial question: someone here with deeper insights into the 3dr radio?
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[14:05] <fsphil> live stream is just speeches
[14:05] <fsphil> normal enough for esa
[14:05] <Laurenceb> go Italy
[14:05] <fsphil> hehe, the audience look rather bored
[14:05] <edmoore> sigh
[14:05] <edmoore> what bs
[14:05] <edmoore> ixv was meant to launch about 5 years ago
[14:05] <edmoore> the half a decade lateness is a testament to italian engineering
[14:06] <Laurenceb> lol the audience
[14:07] <Laurenceb> http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I8VKTCITJCX6
[14:07] <edmoore> christ this is dull
[14:08] <edmoore> a laod of programmatic guff
[14:08] <Laurenceb> generic speech generator for windows version 5.6
[14:10] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[14:17] <edmoore> kill me
[14:17] <Laurenceb> http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2012/05/Vega_electromechanical_actuator
[14:17] <Laurenceb> interesting
[14:19] <Laurenceb> llol @ rate this
[14:20] <Laurenceb> The P80 includes a thrust vector control (TVC) system (developed and made in Belgium by SABCA) consisting of two electromechanical actuators that operate a movable nozzle with flexible joint using lithium ion batteries.
[14:21] <Ian_> That's super, comparing the actuator with a hydraulic ram for size comparison. I guess that I'll get a couple in the pound shop later today ;)
[14:21] <R34lB0rg> so even esa is using them
[14:22] <edmoore> Ian_, i don't see a hydraulic ram
[14:22] <pd3t> ..
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[14:24] <Ian_> Cmon Ed, I'm not a rocket scientist you know. Hoping the re-entry goes well. (hope the yellow actuators work OK) ;)
[14:25] <edmoore> i think in that photo the black thing is a servo motor
[14:25] <edmoore> and the grey thing is the actuator part
[14:25] <Laurenceb> http://www.learneasy.info/MDME/MEMmods/MEM30009A/lifting_systems/ball_screw_actuator.jpg
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[14:26] <edmoore> exactly
[14:26] <edmoore> we have many such electro-mechanical actuators on the new test rig
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[14:28] <Laurenceb> esa feed makes me think of this
[14:28] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoTRoRbQxVc
[14:28] <Laurenceb> nice balloon launcher
[14:28] <infaddict> afternoon. took the plunge with my first soldering job at lunchtime. practiced on protoboard for 10 mins then went for it on my Arduino Mini Pro, SD breakout, DC power breakout and uBlox GPS...
[14:29] <infaddict> wasnt as hard as i thought and seems to all work great. test sketch uploaded - Hello World!
[14:32] <infaddict> so tonight i can try something a bit more complex like temperature readings or GPS stuff.
[14:33] <edmoore> awesome sauce
[14:33] <edmoore> progress!
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[14:34] <Lunar_LanderU> where is the IXV?
[14:35] <infaddict> indeed, finally my breadboard arrived!
[14:35] <edmoore> Lunar_LanderU, probably over pacific by now
[14:35] <Lunar_LanderU> thanks
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[14:36] <Lunar_LanderU> ah it's coming down
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[15:02] <edmoore> got signal post-rentry
[15:08] <fsphil> !dial IXV
[15:08] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[15:08] <fsphil> aww
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[15:35] <LunarMobile> Congratulations to esa for the ixv flight :)
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[15:39] <edmoore> esa isn't on this channel LunarMobile
[15:39] <edmoore> neither are you
[15:40] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... ;)
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[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[16:34] <Joekul> dc2eh-12 must have landed, right?
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[16:35] <Joekul> Elevation Solothurn 440m asl about same as altitude reported in last APzrS?
[16:35] <Joekul> APRS packet
[16:39] <lz1dev> !whereis dc2eh-12
[16:39] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03DC2EH-12 was over 03Niedersimmental District, Switzerland 10(46.64316,7.443) at 032794 meters about 034 hours ago
[16:40] <lz1dev> !aprs info dc2eh-12
[16:40] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Error: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xfe in position 0: invalid start byte
[16:40] <lz1dev> derp
[16:41] <lz1dev> that must be one of those hot air balloons
[16:41] <lz1dev> yeah balloon.org
[16:41] <Joekul> I masde my assumption from the last packet reported on APRS.fi
[16:42] <Joekul> haaaaa....makes sense!
[16:43] <Joekul> It must have been a lovely flight, snow capped alps,low cloud ceiling, judged from my current vacation not far from there :)
[16:44] <Joekul> thanks lz1dev
[16:47] <Joekul> Actually, I think the recent packets are from the balloon nacelle being car-pulled back home via the highway :)
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[17:09] <fsphil> there's a country under there somewhere: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9k-Um-IMAEsX0x.jpg:large
[17:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Jersey is fine!
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[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K2JJI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K2JJI-11
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[18:24] <Maxell> I wonder how expensive those hot air balloon rides are. 2794 meters high up sounds like a nice place to make some VHF/UHF DX contacts
[18:24] <Maxell> Or do hot air balloon people just got their license just to do APRS tracking? (no GSM up there?)
[18:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> vhf/uhf is booming here, since last night
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[18:32] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: yeah locator contest right?
[18:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes that was last night
[18:33] <Maxell> This weekend also PACC work as many Dutchies as you can! :D
[18:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> btw is the dutch ermes tx closed down?
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[18:35] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: yes it is.
[18:35] <Maxell> I think even before jan 2015
[18:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok, sad, was a good PA beacon
[18:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I think PA was the last ermes tx
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[18:36] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: heheeh might even be 200 watts TX... Nice beacon idd, at the top of Groningen :)
[18:37] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: they are all on the "normal" paging system now.
[18:37] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: on 169.650 there is P2000, it's our police paging frequency.
[18:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but ermes was 100% duty cycle, so easy to monitor
[18:38] <Maxell> Yep. Must be a costly network to keep up.
[18:38] <Maxell> 'have been' :)
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[18:39] <Maxell> Ah, there it is: "Gebruikers zijn omgezet naar KPN Nationaal 3, netwerk is in het najaar van 2014 uitgezet"
[18:39] <Maxell> Customers are now on the "KPN Nationaal 3", and shut down completly fall 2014.
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[18:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok thanks, no need to monitor that anymore then. wonder if belgium and france are still running it
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[18:41] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: PI7HVN LOC: JO22WW PWR: 0.5 ANT: Clover Leaf QRG: 144.423
[18:41] <Maxell> That looks like the most upnorth beacon there is...
[18:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes, but i dont have any beam up for 2m atm
[18:42] <Maxell> From the looks of it .BE never rolled out ERMES!
[18:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok, i think france had it
[18:43] <jededu> ping upu
[18:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes, "The commercial launch in September 1995"
[18:44] <Maxell> OZ1SKY_Brian: 10 meters also very active last week...
[18:44] <Upu> hey jededu
[18:45] <jededu> Thanks for sorting that how did they get in touch
[18:45] <Upu> lol
[18:45] <jededu> Very suprised
[18:45] <Upu> ok so finders contacted Cardiff University (random)
[18:45] <Maxell> From VK3VT in Victoria, Australia Loc QF22NH by REVSPACE (The Hague, The Netherlands) Distance: 16595 km bearing 77° Frequency: 28.078.165 MHz (10m), JT65, -19dB
[18:45] <Upu> Cardiff contacted Radiometrix (was on the sticker)
[18:45] <Upu> Radiometrix contacted me
[18:45] <jededu> lol
[18:46] <jededu> Cool tho
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> hehe
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[18:46] <Upu> I didn't have the information when I mailed the list last week that it was over 6 months ago
[18:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maxell PM
[18:46] <Upu> I asked them to send it to me so I could id it but
[18:46] <Upu> having sifted through some older flights I narrowed it down to either yours or BALOYOLOLO
[18:47] <lz1dev> its probably the one with YOLO in it's name
[18:47] <lz1dev> its'
[18:47] <daveake> You Only Lose Once ?
[18:47] <jededu> Wonder if it was the farmer that found it
[18:47] <Upu> so kindly Adam listed all the flights in a 2 month period
[18:47] <Upu> ruled out what it wasn't
[18:48] <Upu> found a bug in lz1dev's code
[18:48] <lz1dev> whats news
[18:48] <Upu> and finally that it was yours
[18:48] <Upu> so result
[18:48] <daveake> nice work
[18:48] <jededu> Yes result good work
[18:48] <Upu> team effort
[18:48] <Upu> right cooking afk
[18:49] <lz1dev> Upu is the hero the hab community needs
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[18:51] <jededu> indeed
[18:54] <Upu> lol sod off :)
[18:57] <Vaizki> spoken like a true hero
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[19:04] <SA6BSS> Vaizki: have you seen this http://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-weather-balloon-data-with-rtl-sdr/
[19:05] <SA6BSS> not that many ballons up here just found out there is everyday closeby
[19:06] <R34lB0rg> sdr ist hot stuff these days :)
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[19:07] <SA6BSS> jepp, works realy good, orded a new r820t2 with alubox and sma adapter, will be fun projecy
[19:08] <R34lB0rg> i also just ordered a RTL2832U dongle
[19:09] <R34lB0rg> wonder if they sell more for sdr than for its labeled purpose
[19:09] <SA6BSS> Im sure the do :)
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[19:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> R34lB0rg: i only got seven of them
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[19:12] <SA6BSS> I have one untuched , two with built in upconverer, one with direct sampling and one with extra shilded rf parts and modified ant input
[19:12] <R34lB0rg> SA6BSS, you're not familiar with the 3DR transmitters by chance?
[19:12] <SA6BSS> no, have to google that
[19:13] <SA6BSS> nop, thats my brothers nish
[19:14] <R34lB0rg> they are so common with APM but I cannot find any reference of someone using sdr/gnuradio/fldigi with them
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[19:33] <x-f> "The assembled contraption was less stable than Windows Me.."
[19:34] Action: x-f chuckles.
[19:35] <lz1dev> the roundabout way of saying a total disaster
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[19:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC_Alt1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPIC_Alt1
[19:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> oh, Windows Me.. pure joy...
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[19:58] <Ian_> R34l80rg the 3DR radio seems to use an Xbee type of packet at a default speed of some 57.6k Baud. I don't suppose that you can have it transmit 50 Baud RTTY, so it is
[19:59] <Ian_> pretty much niche stuff and not likely to be interoperable with the majority of ground tracking station in the UKHAS or APRS service.
[20:00] <Ian_> So, whilst you may get it working OK, then you might find yourself - on your own - The fact that most people use Amateur Radio communication receivers or RTL SDR dongles and dl-fldigi indicates that those technologies have been proven to work.
[20:01] <daveake> Range is likely to be less than required.
[20:01] <daveake> (understatement)
[20:01] <Ian_> Somewhat significantly at 57.6k Baud
[20:01] <daveake> just a tad
[20:02] <Ian_> You don't see many HAb transmissions beyond 300 Baud, for a very good reason.
[20:02] <Ian_> It just doesn't cut the . . . bacon
[20:03] <Ian_> Congrats on your package recovery by the way. Shame about the chute.
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[20:04] <Ian_> Pointing and aiming a collection of sticks at 15m is no mean feat. I guess you had a few goes at it.
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[20:07] <daveake> Yeah first attempt collapsed :/
[20:07] <daveake> Second came apart as we pulled
[20:07] <daveake> At that point the tree had nearly as much kit as we did :/
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[20:31] <tramvai> Hey.
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[20:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-7
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[20:42] <Vaizki> SA6BSS: I saw that yes but have not tried decoding
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[20:43] <SA6BSS> ok, yeah, good substitute when there is not many habs around, your qth is Finland?
[20:45] <Vaizki> yes, in Espoo, right next to Helsinki on the south coast
[20:46] <SA6BSS> then you have close to the site where ther relise them, Jokioinen , 403,0Mhz 12 anf 00 utc
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[20:47] <Vaizki> well close enough yes
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[20:48] <SA6BSS> I can recive the german ones from my qth in between the big lakes in the southwest of Swe
[20:50] <Vaizki> I am thinking of starting some kind of nationwide HAB movement here and hitting Vaisala for free balloons at least :)
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[20:51] <Jartza> 'allo
[20:51] <Vaizki> höhö
[20:51] <Jartza> toikin
[20:51] <Vaizki> jartza-attack
[20:52] <Jartza> indeed
[20:52] <Vaizki> so are we going ballooning?
[20:52] <Jartza> sure
[20:52] <Jartza> I've been talking to Lunar_Lander for a long time
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[20:53] <Jartza> just thought I might join here too for fun
[20:53] <Vaizki> well is there any other reason
[20:53] <Jartza> for profit!!!
[20:54] <Vaizki> we're so stinking rich we don't need no stinking profit
[20:54] <Jartza> true
[20:54] <Jartza> wait...wat
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[21:01] <Vaizki> well ok profit would be nice but I don't see that here. mostly I see profit from other projects floating away...
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> so TV is done :)
[21:03] <Vaizki> threw it out the window did you?
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[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> XD no
[21:07] <Jartza> tv-balloon?
[21:07] <Vaizki> oh ok, I thought you lost to Denmark in the Kastenlauf world series
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:09] <Vaizki> then again, who would watch that on tv...
[21:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i would if Denmark wins :-)
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[21:14] <Vaizki> we need HAB and Kastenlauf in Finland for sure
[21:14] <Jartza> we do?
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[21:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got Finland on 432.220 right now :-)
[21:15] <infaddict> evening everyone
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> I think amateur HAB was invented in Finland
[21:16] <Vaizki> Jartza: it's culture. we need all we can get. multikulti and all that.
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[21:20] <Vaizki> and what's on 432.220
[21:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> a stations from Finland
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[21:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> OZ1SKY_Brian: atmosphere bending.. :)
[21:22] <Vaizki> ok.. I see nothing here in Espoo there
[21:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Reb-SM0ULC yes some good tropo :-)
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[21:23] <Vaizki> or is he doing LSB? Saw a twinkle on the waterfall...
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[21:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> He´s hear Turku
[21:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> he´s on cw right now
[21:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or was, so to say, he stoped now
[21:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm, been playing a bit with VLF.. if one might have time to listen in to SAQ on friday.
[21:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 137khz?
[21:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> 17.2 KHz
[21:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah, thats abit to low for my gear
[21:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> random wire straight to mic on soundcard. DHO38 in Germany coming in about 40 dB
[21:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok, never tryed that
[21:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> me neither, but it was too simple not to go and find 3.5mm to rca and just connect
[21:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> my radio dies below 40khz
[21:31] <gonzo_> put a bit of R down to deck
[21:32] <gonzo_> as static build up can be suprisingly high
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[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[22:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
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