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[05:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DL1NBR-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DL1NBR-11
[06:20] <DrLuke> Does anybody know where I can find infos on how APRS packets are actually encoded?
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[06:21] <DrLuke> I know that there's 1200Hz and 2200Hz tones involved, but the specification doesn't seem to tell the exact way the data is encoded
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[06:23] <daveake> You mean low level making bytes from tones?
[06:23] <daveake> Or packet format, CRC etc ?
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[07:05] <Vaizki> morgen
[07:05] <daveake> seems likely
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[07:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO1TG-5_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO1TG-5_chase
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[09:13] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03E29AJP-11 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E29AJP-11
[09:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> https://www.tapr.org/pub_ax25.html
[09:14] <SpeedEvi1> :)
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[11:59] <alxwntr> So: #808 cameras...
[11:59] <alxwntr> Many mentions about them crashing GPSs
[11:59] <alxwntr> has that been resolved?
[11:59] <alxwntr> I have one and want to use it for some video
[11:59] <alxwntr> but obviously I won't if it's going to ruin stuff
[12:00] <alxwntr> If it is broadcasting noise, has anyone tried putting it in a Faraday cage?
[12:00] <SpeedEvi1> The GPS satellite broadcasts 50W over an entire hemisphere
[12:00] <SpeedEvi1> It is unfortunately vulnerable to interference.
[12:01] <SpeedEvi1> However - different models may be differently affected.
[12:01] <alxwntr> I see
[12:01] <SpeedEvi1> Start up the GPS - get it working - see if signal levels are affected with the 808 right next to it.
[12:01] <craag> I had an 808 #16 that caused no problem with gps
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[12:01] <SpeedEvi1> Then turn off the GPS for a while, and see if it re-locks.
[12:01] <SpeedEvi1> (with the 808 on)
[12:01] <alxwntr> I was thinking of getting a little aluminium enclosure and earthing it to see if it eliminates the noise
[12:01] <craag> tested with a chip antenna breakout from cold sitting underneath the running camera.
[12:02] <SpeedEvi1> Earth is a lie.
[12:02] <alxwntr> I HATE electrical noise
[12:02] <alxwntr> bane of my life
[12:02] <alxwntr> really?
[12:02] <SpeedEvi1> There is really no such thing as 'earth'.
[12:02] <Vaizki> How do you earth at 30km?
[12:02] <SpeedEvi1> The earth is not a uniform superconductor with an infinite speed of light.
[12:02] <alxwntr> of course, but I meant a common 0V
[12:03] <alxwntr> or does that not work?
[12:03] <SpeedEvi1> And 'common' has very different meanings at 1.2GHz
[12:03] <alxwntr> ahhh...
[12:03] <SpeedEvi1> Basically not - you have to deeply understand the flows of current to properly shield at 1.2GHz
[12:03] <alxwntr> worth trying?
[12:03] <SpeedEvi1> 1.4? Whatever GPS is at.
[12:03] <SpeedEvi1> No.
[12:03] <alxwntr> ok :)
[12:03] <SpeedEvi1> First test if it 'ss a problem, if not move on.
[12:03] <alxwntr> haha
[12:03] <alxwntr> thanks
[12:04] <alxwntr> does anyone know whay is happens?
[12:04] <alxwntr> seems unlikely the clock in the camera is running that fast
[12:04] <alxwntr> and it doesn't broadcast specifically
[12:04] <craag> it's a square wave clock, which produces harmonics
[12:05] <SpeedEvi1> It needs nanowatts of interferece or below to screw stuff up.
[12:05] <alxwntr> oh of course
[12:05] <alxwntr> sure
[12:05] <SpeedEvi1> It's sort of like asking 'why does my teaspoon vibrate along my desk when my washing machine is on'
[12:05] <craag> the camera will have many clocks, at maybe upto 100MHz
[12:06] <Vaizki> It needs a speedy clock to read The sensor 60 times per sec
[12:06] <alxwntr> right
[12:07] <alxwntr> and the sharper the square wave, the more high freq harmonics, right?
[12:07] <craag> Yeah
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yup
[12:07] <alxwntr> ok
[12:07] <alxwntr> I'll see how it behaves in tests
[12:08] <alxwntr> but it does worry me that people have reported the crashing
[12:08] <craag> So they all have this, but it basically comes down to the design/layout of the electronics whether it affects gps or other radio receivers around - which varies wildly from camera to camera.
[12:09] <craag> Any fake clones generally tend to be worse - as they'll use cheaper parts
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[12:09] <alxwntr> so I should experiment with different physical placements of components for best results?
[12:10] <craag> No. I meant parts on the camera board.
[12:10] <craag> Not something you can mess with :)
[12:10] <alxwntr> oh I see
[12:10] <alxwntr> shame :)
[12:10] <craag> But - get one, test it
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If it causes problems in any position then your risking it hoping it will work better in another position, things will vary with temp. etc.
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[12:10] <craag> If it causes issues, wrap it in foil, test again.
[12:11] <alxwntr> ok - that's kind of where I was going with the metal enclosure
[12:11] <craag> don't need to earth the foil - rf basically sees any large sheet as grounded.
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[12:11] <craag> I'd just foil it - far easier and lighter :)
[12:11] <alxwntr> Sure
[12:12] <craag> Other option is to put your camera and tracker is seperate boxes on the cord.
[12:12] <craag> (allowing you to seperate them by a good few metres)
[12:13] <craag> but... try it and see
[12:13] <alxwntr> will do
[12:13] <alxwntr> thanks for all the advice, as always
[12:14] <craag> np
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[13:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DO6SOM-8 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DO6SOM-8
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[13:57] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
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[14:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-11
[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-13
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[14:35] <li4m0> !flights
[14:35] <SpacenearUS> 03li4m0: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
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[14:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ISU-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ISU-11
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[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ISU-9 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ISU-9
[14:38] <lz1dev> what is this a value launch?
[14:38] <lz1dev> 4 for 1
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[14:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> mmm, K6RPT done a whole lap?
[14:54] <Upu> yep
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[14:54] <Reb-SM0ULC> cool
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[15:02] <Laurenceb_> ooh
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> very nice, second circumnavigation?
[15:04] <Laurenceb_> ah its CNSP
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[15:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-13
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[15:34] <lz1dev> ^wut
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03W0ZC-13 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=W0ZC-13
[15:35] <lz1dev> -_-
[15:35] <fsphil> I don't believe it
[15:35] <lz1dev> !aprs info w0zc-13
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03W0ZC-13 is near 03Sedgwick County, KS, USA 10(37.67933,-97.6075) at 0327517 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/W0ZC-13
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03W0ZC-13>APRS via 03qAR,N0KTA-2
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 0333kmph Course: 03173°
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 033D8Sats Batt=7.3 Temp1=4.6 Flight 2015a
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[15:43] <lz1dev> i see the bug
[15:43] <lz1dev> suprisingly it never showed up before
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[15:48] <edmoore> the best kind of bug
[15:49] <mightymik> there's a kicksat 2 ... https://t.co/ABunDogqYZ
[15:50] <SA6BSS> it shoved the other week, one baloon shoved like 17 times
[15:51] <edmoore> i hope it works for him this time
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[15:55] <lz1dev> edmoore: DanielRichman forced me to change something, which changed the original behaviour
[15:55] <edmoore> maybe kill him as vengeance
[15:55] <lz1dev> maybe
[15:56] <edmoore> at least that's what they said in the obligatory management module
[15:56] <lz1dev> this is different from the caseinsensitive bug
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[15:59] <infaddic_> any advice for soldering header pins onto boards?
[16:00] Nick change: infaddic_ -> infaddict_
[16:01] <Upu> put the header into what ever your going to plug it into
[16:01] <Upu> stick board on top
[16:01] <Upu> solder
[16:02] <infaddict_> should i support the board so its as level as possible. boards with one side of pins only dont stay level
[16:03] <edmoore> yes
[16:03] <edmoore> try and get it perpendicular
[16:04] <infaddict_> great. and solder from the top obviously.
[16:04] <Upu> and don't solder more than 1 pin until you're 100% its done
[16:04] <edmoore> i tend to hold it carefully and do a slightly awkward manouvre to get one pin soldered
[16:04] <Upu> s/done/level
[16:04] <edmoore> such that it's straight and level
[16:04] <edmoore> and then turn it over and dive it to solder the rest
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[16:05] <edmoore> also don't rest your finger against the pin to be soldered
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[16:06] <edmoore> that game is called solder-chicken and it's a rubbish game
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[16:08] <Laurenceb_> i just use blue-tac
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[16:10] <Hodders> I can imagine it's a very painful game.
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[16:23] <anerdev> hey guys ... anyone ? Who can contact for delete my email from there: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20130305.html
[16:23] <anerdev> thank you !
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[17:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HABDUINO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=HABDUINO
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[19:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[19:17] <Vaizki> seems like every american has a HAM license, everyone is running aprs :)
[19:18] <Vaizki> I checked out the HAM exams earlier today and passed all of them without looking at the study material :O
[19:18] <Vaizki> so I might as well read up a bit and go take the exams
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[19:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[19:40] <Vaizki> evening.. does that mean you're on the dark side of the moon? ;)
[19:40] <lz1dev> just in his basement
[19:40] <lz1dev> ;)
[19:43] <Vaizki> well maybe we can at least play a bit of DSOTM then...
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[19:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:47] <Vaizki> ok so having done a successful RTTY transmitter now, I was wondering about the bps/shift combination.. most RTTY demodulators seem to support only a few fixed bps/shift combos? why is that?
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[19:48] <Vaizki> I was looking for an ipad mobile rtty decoder but they seemed to have fixed shift values
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[19:59] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:30] <Vaizki> a couple more and I call 'annoying'
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[20:34] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[20:34] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[20:35] <lz1dev> should be fixed
[20:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[20:36] <lz1dev> :|
[20:40] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:42] <Vaizki> let's give the fixes a bit of time to soak in :)
[20:42] <lz1dev> this is very strange
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[20:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[20:55] <daveake> tense
[20:56] <lz1dev> its literally 'a in list', if not notify, add to list
[20:56] <Vaizki> pastebin the code? I love a bughunt..
[20:57] <lz1dev> its on github
[20:58] <lz1dev> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/spacenearus-irc-bot/blob/2e8747d6be015a9330023b946d489878543220e3/bot.js#L243-L249
[20:58] <lz1dev> i've setup some logging, just need it to happen again
[20:58] <lz1dev> ofc it probably won't
[21:00] <Vaizki> yea I was already reading it but thx for direct link
[21:01] <Vaizki> I don't see it adding 'name' key to ctx.storage.tracker.data?
[21:02] <lz1dev> lines 230, 238, 263
[21:02] <Vaizki> 263: ctx.storage.tracker.data = obj;
[21:02] <Vaizki> that should be ctx.storage.tracker.data[name] = obj;
[21:02] <Vaizki> maybe?
[21:03] <lz1dev> no
[21:03] <lz1dev> obj is the new .data
[21:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
[21:04] <Vaizki> ok I'm not a JS guy at all
[21:07] <Vaizki> ok now I get it.
[21:08] <lz1dev> this is not the bot, im getting a bogus response from the server
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[21:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[21:23] <lz1dev> balloon almost landing now :(
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[21:43] <Laurenceb_> can anyone help me with bash script issues?
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/9896399
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> so i have this mess
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> line 2, how can i pass a second argument that swaps between [Aa] and [Cc] ?
[21:46] <Vaizki> sorry I don't understand the requirement here :)
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> i want to pass a variable $2 to the function
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> so that the variable can swap the glob between [aA] and [cC]
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[21:50] <Vaizki> just assign the glob (well it's really a regexp) to a variable?
[21:51] <Vaizki> I'm ircing from an ipad and I'm definitely not typing out any regexps from this :D
[21:52] <Vaizki> radioshack went chapter 11.. :O
[21:52] <Vaizki> how did I miss that..
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[21:53] <fsphil> amazed maplin are still going
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[21:57] <Vaizki> On February 20, 2006, the company announced that its CEO, David Edmondson, had resigned over questions raised about his résumé. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram discovered that he had not earned degrees in theology and psychology from Heartland Baptist Bible College as claimed on his résumé.[25] RadioShack's board of directors stood up for Edmondson, but Edmondson admitted to the errors, calling them "misstatements", and resigne
[21:57] <Vaizki> d.
[21:57] <Vaizki> well dammit. how could you ever run radioshack without a real theology degree.
[21:57] <Vaizki> no wonder they went bust
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[21:58] <fsphil> Heartland Baptist Bible College. sounds like a fun place
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[22:00] <Vaizki> aeegh my DMM doesn't have auto-off
[22:00] <fsphil> always quite fancied the TRS-80 model 100
[22:00] <Vaizki> just noticed it's on.. and it's been on for 2 days...
[22:00] <fsphil> oops
[22:04] <gonzo_nb> we had 'tandy' as the uk branch of radioshack
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[22:06] <gonzo_nb> I remember looking at the cb''s in the catalogues in the late 70's. But they were markrd, not for uk sale
[22:06] <gonzo_nb> 22chan am sets
[22:06] <gonzo_nb> cb was becoming a big (though quite pikey) underground thing around thgat time
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[22:08] <Laurenceb_> 22chan? is that line 5.5 times as bad as 4chan?
[22:09] <gonzo_nb> there were 2chan xtalled am ones too
[22:10] <gonzo_nb> someone at work has some of those for me. must collect them. good for a laugh and old times sake
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[22:10] <gonzo_nb> may tryb them if I can muster enough AA batts to feed them
[22:11] <Vaizki> I used to have CB on my small boat as a kid and my dad would call me up on it to let us know dinner's ready etc
[22:12] <Vaizki> for spring/autumn we had a modded russian tank helmet with integrated mic + headphones connected to the CB.. :)
[22:12] <Vaizki> http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/GundamMecha/122.jpg
[22:12] <Vaizki> not exactly that model but similar
[22:13] <craag> ha nice
[22:14] <gonzo_nb> I used to use british larkspur/early clandsman handsets
[22:14] <gonzo_nb> used a telephone type earpiece as a mic element
[22:15] <Vaizki> I don't know why CB died off completely
[22:15] <gonzo_nb> http://www.wftw.nl/Remote%20Handsetl.jpg
[22:16] <Vaizki> that would not be handy on a small open boat :)
[22:17] <gonzo_nb> it died bt the 1990's in the midlands (uk). it was stioll going when I moved to the south, till the early 2000's
[22:17] <gonzo_nb> mobile phones, internet killed it socially
[22:17] <gonzo_nb> and the uhf 446mhz killed it for utility users
[22:18] <Vaizki> my current boat has a VHF radio, a real classic.. http://www.radioaficion.com/HamNews/images/stories/Sailor-RT2048/RT2048_46.jpg
[22:18] <Vaizki> that thing has a discriminator output on a DB9 connector out the back, can just hook it up to a computer and get AIS off it
[22:19] <gonzo_nb> I think that selcal is pretty much mandatory in the uk now
[22:19] <fsphil> mobile phones specifically killed it here
[22:19] <fsphil> the internet hadn't really become a thing until much later
[22:19] <fsphil> I still hear the odd farmer using it
[22:20] <gonzo_nb> have they actually done the papework to make ssb cb legal in uk yet?
[22:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AETH30-2 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AETH30-2
[22:20] <gonzo_nb> should have been june last yr
[22:20] <craag> most farmers have switched to uhf business radio here
[22:21] <gonzo_nb> I think the heavy pikey population down here kept it going longer. but it's all gone
[22:21] <craag> still cb whips on a few tractors aroudn though
[22:21] <gonzo_nb> only prople I heard in years were some local hams.
[22:21] <fsphil> I see a fair few vans with largish whips, dunno if it's cb or amateur. or something else
[22:21] <craag> yeah there's a guy in soton who runs a scanner, and verbally abuses anyone he hears - pushed many people here to ham radio instead though :)
[22:22] <gonzo_nb> the coloured spring base whips were popular an decoration a while ago
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[22:22] <gonzo_nb> like blue leds in the washer jets
[22:24] <gonzo_nb> we had one of those gobshites locally. Big man on mic, but confronted would hide behind his mum. (40-odd living at home.... say it all)
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[22:29] <Vaizki> but CB still has a lot more range than PMR446
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[22:33] <gonzo_nb> we used to use them when out camping as kids. I carried a wire dipole, hung up from a tree branch it worked supprisingly well
[22:34] <gonzo_nb> I had a small mobele set, with the chan 9 switch rewired to disable the chan display etc to keep the current drain down. And some 6v lantern batts for power.
[22:39] <Vaizki> I'm considering getting my ham papers and a ft-817nd
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[22:41] <Vaizki> but it's time to sleep&
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[23:17] <tweetBot1> @daveake: Predictions are changing each time the wind database updates as usual, but loop-de-loop still looking possible #UKHAS http://t.co/F8OywH5U1E
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[23:35] <cm13g09> daveake: nice :P
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