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[03:18] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KG7IXX-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KG7IXX-11
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[07:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03E29AJP-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=E29AJP-11
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[08:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ATSAT-1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=ATSAT-1
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[08:45] <Vaizki> nice.. ATSAT-1 is right over the canary islands
[08:50] <fsphil> or Ant Island as I call them
[08:57] <Laurenceb_> where did it come from?
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[08:57] <Laurenceb_> has anyone else circumnavigated yet?
[09:03] <Vaizki> Laurenceb_, yes Leo's balloon did 8 times around the world I think
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[09:04] <Vaizki> aaand he's gone
[09:04] <fsphil> that's what he meant by "anyone else"
[09:07] <Vaizki> oh ok :)
[09:07] <fsphil> not sure who launched ATSAT-1
[09:14] <Vaizki> no idea but from california
[09:16] <Vaizki> launched from same position where aprs igate KF5KMP-1 is
[09:27] <Vaizki> apparently the guys who launched it have gotten flak from the APRS community for using WIDE1-1 paths and they have a kickstarter for plasma propulsion.. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/longmier/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetary-cubesats
[09:28] <Vaizki> oops https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/longmier/cat-launch-a-water-propelled-satellite-into-deep-s
[09:28] <Vaizki> that one made it
[09:29] <fsphil> not sure ATSAT-1 is a valid callsign either
[09:30] <Vaizki> yea sounds like a bunch of cowboys :)
[09:32] <Vaizki> phd cowboys but that's irrelevant :)
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[10:17] <infaddict> hey guys. is it normal for Habitat to create a new document every time i modify a payload config? made 3 minor changes and ended up with 4 versions with same name.
[10:17] <fsphil> yep
[10:18] <fsphil> each one is different, no matter how small the change. so they each get a different id
[10:18] <infaddict> thx fsphil, so which one is used when i eventually create a flight doc - or do i get to choose?
[10:18] <fsphil> you get to chose
[10:18] <fsphil> +o
[10:18] <infaddict> as no option to delete old vers
[10:19] <fsphil> yea it keeps everything forever :)
[10:19] <pc1pcl> all our mistakes, logged for posterity..
[10:19] <fsphil> there might be something to clear out old unreferenced payload docs. not sure
[10:19] <infaddict> ok thx. still reading the docs but for testing my payload it seems i dont need a flight doc. so can i view my testing on a real map like it was a real flight?
[10:19] <fsphil> the server it's on has plenty of disk space, so not an issue
[10:20] <infaddict> e.g. if driving payload around in a car
[10:20] <fsphil> a payload doc is enough for you to test with yea
[10:20] <fsphil> the flight doc gets you on the dl-fldigi dropdown list, and the server records the telemetry for you to recover later if you need to
[10:21] <infaddict> ok so during testing with dl-fldigi, can i get my decoded lat/long onto the map tracker thing or not?
[10:21] <infaddict> ideally i want to drive around in my car and make sure it tracks on map properly
[10:22] <infaddict> (plus do boundary checks across meridian and other stuff)
[10:24] <daveake> Tsk, you're doing it wrong; follow this instead http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:how_to_lose_your_flight :p
[10:24] <fsphil> haha
[10:24] <infaddict> haha! read that already, very funny!
[10:24] <fsphil> testing?! gosh
[10:24] <daveake> ban it
[10:24] <fsphil> when will it end
[10:25] <infaddict> you will all laugh when it goes wrong
[10:25] <infaddict> ;-)
[10:25] <fsphil> you'll be in good company if it does :)
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[10:25] <daveake> There's no bigger motivation to getting it right, than the fear of the mocking you'll get here if it does go wrong :)
[10:26] <fsphil> esp. if you make the same error twice
[10:26] <daveake> yup that's a good one
[10:26] <daveake> Not that I've ever done that, no no no
[10:28] <infaddict> for test runs, i will have my data logs on SD card but thought it'd be nice to see my payload on the tracker with its path etc. so is that possible for testing?
[10:28] <fsphil> your payload doc will be enough to get on the map
[10:28] <fsphil> but you'll have to configure dl-fldigi manually
[10:29] <infaddict> perfect, so dl-fldigi will send my packets to the server and should then be on the map
[10:29] <fsphil> yes
[10:29] <infaddict> excellent thanks
[10:29] <infaddict> miles off this point yet but thinking ahead
[10:29] <fsphil> and if it isn't working, http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ is where to look for errors
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[10:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PROJECT1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PROJECT1
[10:31] <fsphil> good name
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[10:31] <infaddict> ha just saw that in the logs
[10:31] <daveake> and when it does work you'll see that ^
[10:31] <fsphil> !wiki common errors
[10:31] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: No results for your query
[10:31] <fsphil> aww
[10:31] <fsphil> !wiki common
[10:32] <SpacenearUS> 03fsphil: Wiki page 03common_coding_errors_payload_testing - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing
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[10:32] <fsphil> worth having a look over that
[10:33] <daveake> Also http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:chasing_your_flight?s[]=recover
[10:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BALYOLO - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=BALYOLO
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[10:53] <infaddict> thx dave and phil, some very good tips in those links. By "test flight" is it meant to actually go airborne or to drive around in car?
[10:53] <fsphil> simulated
[10:54] <infaddict> ok yep i can simulate altitude and strange GPS places in coding
[10:55] <infaddict> also the tip on tracking other peoples flights before your own. i only have a handheld yagi and a mag mount. so not sure if i can actually track via radio, but could watch via habitat. i can of course practice tracking my own payload.
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[10:55] <infaddict> e.g. by getting someone to drive off with it
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[10:57] <fsphil> the normal non-pico flights can normally be received over the entire uk
[10:57] <fsphil> except for the very north of scotland and shetland
[10:58] <daveake> I started tracking just with a scanner, using a yagi taped to the window frame in my upstairs office.
[10:58] <fsphil> there are some coming up now that the weather is improving
[10:58] <daveake> yup http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=64385180f1268a512200c122325fdd74cb644eb3 for example
[10:59] <daveake> Though it needs to miss those hills :)
[11:00] <fsphil> nice little trek if the weather behaves
[11:00] <daveake> yup
[11:01] <daveake> And just east of that landing spot there's a nice place to track from
[11:01] <infaddict> aha right i am in the NE
[11:01] <infaddict> on the coast
[11:02] <fsphil> I landed one just of the NE english coast a few years ago
[11:02] <fsphil> had intended for it to land near Upu but the balloon was underinflated
[11:02] <pc1pcl> infaddict: NE 'england' right, not NE 'britain', so should be fine?
[11:02] <UpuWork> you missed
[11:03] <fsphil> I missed by about 200 miles
[11:03] <infaddict> yep near newcastle
[11:03] <daveake> Aiming for fsphil doesn't work either :/
[11:04] <infaddict> so if i found a way to mount my 0.98m yagi i should pickup these UK signals?
[11:04] <fsphil> I normally bolt mine onto a camera tripod
[11:04] <infaddict> good idea. i have a tripod.
[11:04] <fsphil> aim the yagi in the general direction
[11:04] <fsphil> should get a good signal
[11:05] <pc1pcl> should also be possible to receive stuff from e.g. holland if aiming east.
[11:05] <infaddict> ok, can find the bearing pretty easily, what about height tho?
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Put your details into the SNUS tracker and it gives you bearing, elevation and range
[11:06] <pc1pcl> I think due to curvature, height not to important anyway, it will jus tbe over the horizon, or slightly more than just (blue, green circles)
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> also dl-fldigi gives you the same info for rcieved packets
[11:06] <pc1pcl> using the right polarization is more important, I guess
[11:07] <pc1pcl> (align elements of yagi with those on the balloon, usually balloon signal will be vertically polarised)
[11:11] <infaddict> good point of vertical/horizontal. so the common ground plane antenna hanging down from payload, is that considered horiz or vert?
[11:12] <daveake> vertical
[11:12] <daveake> 'cos it is
[11:12] <infaddict> so i would mount my Yagi sideways? elements vertical?
[11:12] <daveake> yes
[11:12] <infaddict> ok ta
[11:14] <infaddict> Geoff-G8DHE-M: where is this SNUS tracker please? google gives many hits on US tobacco lol
[11:18] <Vaizki> Spacenearus
[11:19] <Vaizki> Upu-loot has arrived!
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[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PROJECT2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PROJECT2
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[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The normal Space near Us (SNUS) mobile tracker - top left corner under the time details, if you allow your location to be used then when a balloon is selected it will give the details
[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It used to be mobile tracker its just tracker now!
[11:25] <amell> when will we see some launches?
[11:25] <amell> all the recent ones i have missed
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Depends on how good your eyesight is
[11:25] <daveake> There's the mailing list and the calendar
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[11:42] <infaddict> can anyone explain in simple terms the difference between USB and LSB? What controls which one is used to TX - is it the radio PWM coding in the VAR? sry if this is a dumb question.
[11:43] <infaddict> *AVR
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The simplest form of radio modulation is Amplitude modulation
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You have a carrier in the centre
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and sideband on both sides of the carrier
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> both siebands contain the same information
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> this duplication is wastefull in power
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so by eliminating one sideband you can put the power into the other sideband
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> which sideband to use ? the Upper or Lower sideband ?
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you canuse either, one is the mirror image of the other.
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> you can then also remove the carrier which is a constant amplitude and another waste
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> so you end up with Single Sideband SSB with either the USB or the LSB being used
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and no power being wasted.
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[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> if you choose the "wrong" sideband then you can reverse/mirror it by either reversing the I & Q signals
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or use the Rv button in fldigi to reverse it.
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[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> there is a convention as to which sideband to use
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> below 10MHz then the Lower Side Band LSB is used above 10MHz USB is used
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but it is only a convention nothing fixed by legal or technical requirements
[11:54] <fsphil> for digital modes I'd recommend always using USB
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Indeed, it makes sense for the frequeincies used as well.
[11:55] <fsphil> indeed
[11:55] <fsphil> just easier
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the above is the simple version, for RTTY we don't actually use SSB but FSK and we "assume" there is a carrier
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> there isn't really a carrier in the sense of SSB at all!
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but we still need to refer to a frequency so we make use of the SSB convention
[11:58] <fsphil> makes even less sense when using SDR receivers
[11:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> quite !
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> it would be better to refer to the centre frequency of the shift - infact not sure what fldigi uses when it sends in a "dial" fequency ?
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[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> is it the centre frequency or the non-exsting carrier freqency ?
[12:00] <Jacob__> If i am trying to choose an antenna for a small HAB would anyone have any suggestions?
[12:00] <infaddict> thx Geoff, great explanation
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !wiki aerial
[12:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: No results for your query
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> duh
[12:01] <infaddict> i had noticed the habitat radio settings asks for mode such as USB or LSB
[12:01] <daveake> The wiki is a maze of twisty passages, all the same
[12:01] <daveake> no no, it's a twisty maze of passages ...
[12:01] <lz1dev> its only searches the page title
[12:01] <infaddict> so guessing USB is common choice (434 > 10Mhz)
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I know but we have to guess the title ;-)
[12:02] <daveake> !wiki antenna
[12:02] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: Found 034 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=antenna
[12:02] <daveake> I win
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna I'm exact ;-)
[12:03] <infaddict> now i need to understand drift ;-)
[12:03] <Jacob__> my problem is that if the antenna protrudes from the bottom then i cant launch under the small balloon requirements which id like to do
[12:04] <infaddict> what country are you in?
[12:04] <Jacob__> England
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> what balloon ?
[12:04] <craag> Planning to launch a 100g latex?
[12:04] <Jacob__> thats the one
[12:05] <craag> You can get stubby 'helical' antennas which are shorter
[12:05] <craag> But they won't be as strong.
[12:05] <Jacob__> so if i were using a yagi on the ground what range do you think im looking at?
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[12:05] <daveake> The Hwoyee 100g bursts at 2m+, so you can't use that
[12:05] <craag> If there's any way to put your tracker in the neck or the like to get it closer in...
[12:05] <daveake> The Pawan 100g is 1.6m
[12:06] <daveake> Give you 0.4m for tracker and aerial
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Has anubody tried a "Halo" aerial ?
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> perhaps below a ground plane as well ?
[12:06] <Jacob__> as in a circular aerial?
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yes
[12:07] <Jacob__> woudl you then need one on the ground for polarisation?
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[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No its horizontal
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> like this http://www.kr1st.com/2mhalo.htm
[12:08] <Jacob__> so a wheel antenna and yagi would work?
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> without a ground plane / reflector then half power will be going skywards
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> rather than all heading downwards
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Also this design but its NOT a Halo http://www.qsl.net/dl4mea/antennas/bigw.htm
[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There is also the Moxon https://sites.google.com/site/g3xbmqrp/Home/moxon again half power goes skywards without a reflector
[12:12] <Jacob__> Im not particularly clued up on things, what is a reflector?
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> A second element that reflects the power back towards the the driven element so mount above for balloon work
[12:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the reflector is normally 1/4 wave and slightly longer/larger in size
[12:13] <infaddict> you will have a reflector on your yagi (the one at the back, behind the driven element)
[12:14] <Jacob__> So you would suggest i attach the halo on the bottom of the payload in the same plane?
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> In essence yes but it will need testing or find a design that has already tried it out
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[12:17] <Jacob__> testing isnt too much of a problem, but knowing its a possibility is helpful. One last question, how do you know where to position the yagi on the ground?
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you mean point the Yagi ?
[12:18] <Jacob__> yes
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Once you have received a telemetry signal with Lat,Long,Alt then you know its position point at it ;-) Or look at the tracker software where its plotted
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Another aerial that might work is a Trunstile http://ea4eoz.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-turnstile-antenna.html again need a rflector 1/4 wave behind
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> That is a Turnstile rather
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> bbl
[12:25] <Jacob__> what kind of mass do you think the halo antenna might be?
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[13:11] <fsphil> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=5&call=a%2FK6RPT-12&timerange=604800&tail=604800
[13:12] <UpuWork> nice
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[13:13] <fsphil> bit of a race on for the second team to circle the globe
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[13:24] <amell> K6RPT launched from where?
[13:24] <fsphil> california
[13:24] <amell> cool
[13:25] <amell> pico or a big bugger?
[13:25] <UpuWork> One of Aadamsons
[13:25] <UpuWork> I think
[13:25] <amell> bit confusing, as K6RPT-12 was recovered in morocco
[13:25] <UpuWork> that was an old one
[13:25] <amell> reused callsign
[13:26] <UpuWork> APRS
[13:26] <fsphil> you can't make up a callsign
[13:26] <UpuWork> you only have one
[13:26] <fsphil> on amateur radio bands
[13:27] <fsphil> which is why I'm wondering about ATSAT-1
[13:28] <infaddict> unless there's not a personalised service like car reg's ;-)
[13:28] <craag> Putting the radio callsign in the comment is ok imo
[13:29] <craag> but atsat-1 doesn't have any :/
[13:29] <fsphil> pirate radio
[13:30] <pc1pcl> Don't think there are any HAM callsigns with letters only, although you CAN get a personalised one.
[13:30] <pc1pcl> Just has to fit in with the convention in use.
[13:31] <lz1dev> you can name your balloon -99999999
[13:31] <lz1dev> and it will work
[13:31] <lz1dev> there will probably be a some mad hams
[13:31] <fsphil> that wouldn't fit into the ax25 callsign fields
[13:32] <lz1dev> its exactly 9 chars init?
[13:33] <lz1dev> oh i see
[13:33] <lz1dev> its 7 for ax254
[13:33] <lz1dev> shave a couple of nines :)
[13:33] <fsphil> 6 letters plus a number
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[13:36] <lz1dev> so 7 9s works :)
[13:39] <fsphil> 999999-9 would work
[13:41] <pc1pcl> still, if atsat is transmiting on amateur frequencies e.g. 2m, would be nice for it to include a 'real' amateur callsign. Which leaves people wondering/speculating on why not.
[13:44] <Ian_> Maybe they have classified themselves as part of the Amateur Satelite SerVice, which don't use amateur radio callsigns, but do have a lot of frequency coordination at an international level. Sound like chancers or bozos to me.
[13:45] <pc1pcl> Yeah, main issue here is if they are intentionally being 'nasty', or just don't know any better.
[13:51] <infaddict> this is a very valid subject for me as a radio new guy. i am not licenced. for my HAB flight do i just invent a callsign for my payload? do i need to check its not used and does it need to be specific format?
[13:51] <pc1pcl> infaddict: you have to just invent something
[13:52] <infaddict> ok is there max/min length?
[13:52] <pc1pcl> in uk amateur radio is not legal airborne, so one more reason for the balloons to use the 70cm ISM band.
[13:53] <lz1dev> pc1pcl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
[13:53] <infaddict> yer i'm using 70cm so guess my question isnt amatuer radio related at all, more HAB callsign related
[13:53] <pc1pcl> lz1dev: :)
[13:53] <daveake> It's not a ham transmission so use whatever callsign you like
[13:53] <infaddict> ok cool, will think of something thanks
[13:54] <pc1pcl> infaddict: of course it's 'nice' to check it's not in use by someone else.
[13:54] <daveake> If you're doing SSDV that part is limited to 6 characters; dunno if there's a limit for habitat etc
[13:54] <daveake> No spaces :)
[13:54] <lz1dev> there certainly is like 14 chars :>
[13:54] <pc1pcl> and probably want to keep it short anyway as you don't want to waste time and/or give more chance for corruption by someone else's signals.
[13:56] <infaddict> i have thought about it (for around 5 seconds) and chosen INFCU1. Means sommick to me and the 1 is a hope that I might actually make more than 1 flight in future ;-)
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[13:58] <daveake> For some reason, the ANU series skipped from 4 to 6
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[14:01] <fsphil> there is talk on twitter of the 5V T-bias killing AirSpy units. if you have one, don't switch that on :)
[14:02] <infaddict> postman arrived with a bag of goodies. man these parts are much smaller than the photos on the internet. soldering is gonna be interesting.
[14:02] <infaddict> at least i have some cheap protoboard and cheap components to practice on
[14:04] <Laurenceb> anyone here used a GoPro?
[14:05] <Laurenceb> im having USB io errors from mine
[14:05] <Laurenceb> its new
[14:05] <Laurenceb> is there a firmware upgrade for them?
[14:05] <adamgreig> you can firmware upgrade them
[14:05] <adamgreig> it's worth a try
[14:06] <Laurenceb> ok
[14:06] <Laurenceb> sd 431:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code
[14:06] <Laurenceb> from mine
[14:06] <adamgreig> weird
[14:06] <Laurenceb> it is almost usable
[14:06] <Laurenceb> but the usb locks up after a while
[14:08] <Laurenceb> ffs
[14:08] <Laurenceb> you have to register online
[14:09] <Laurenceb> hmm last release was March 2014
[14:09] <Laurenceb> it may well be running that already
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[14:11] <Laurenceb> filesystem has gone read only too
[14:12] <Laurenceb> ill reformat the card
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[14:19] <Ian_> Ignorance or malicious? In the eyes of the law ignorance is not a valid excuse in the UK and probably elsewhere too. UKHAS go to great lengths to ensure that there is no confusion that we fly here under ISM rules.
[14:20] <pc1pcl> yeah, the difference would be if I have to feel angry or sad about it ;)
[14:20] <pc1pcl> probably I should just go for option C, and don't care too much.
[14:21] <Ian_> In US airspace it is a US problem.
[14:25] <pc1pcl> probably somewhere over Sahara by now, so not likely to matter much. With no observers, does it really exist?
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[14:40] <Laurenceb> ok GoPro runs after reformatting the card
[14:41] <Laurenceb> turns out my scripts were dodgy
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[14:49] <infaddict> good news
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[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Umm regarding the Airspy and the Bias T, been using it to power the HABLNA for the last few weeks no problem so far! Famous last words .....
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[16:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> Geoff-G8DHE-M: supposed to be problems?
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There seems to be one report of someone turning it on and it going deaf.
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but several twitter responses to the one report it seems, just askinh in #airspy
[16:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
[16:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> One report on the forum, with a reply from Youssef saying its well protected if its faulty return it to ITlead
[16:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> no immiedate response on the #airspy
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[16:58] <fsphil> maybe just a few lower quality components sneaking in
[16:58] <fsphil> hopefully something simple
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[17:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or going by the responses in the Yahoo group some people who don't understand differences between volts and amps!
[17:08] <fsphil> that's never a good sign
[17:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
[17:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> lets bring them: VA
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[19:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PROJECT1 after 037 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PROJECT1
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[19:50] <infaddict> hey guys, installing CHDK for the first time. i downloaded STICK and followed instructions. it detected my camera (A1000) and downloaded the packages and installed them...
[19:50] <infaddict> it partitioned my SD card to 2 partitions and one appears to be a boot partition with a diskboot.bin and other files
[19:50] <infaddict> as per instructions i locked the SD card with the slidey switch
[19:51] <infaddict> however the camera boots as normal and CHDK does not start ;-(
[19:51] <infaddict> wondered if anybody has any ideas
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[20:03] <pc1pcl> infaddict: never used it myself but from what I see on the wikia, there are a few 'gotchas' to avoid depending on how old your camera is
[20:03] <mclane_> try to use only one partition
[20:04] <infaddict> thx guys. i'd read that it doesnt like big partitions hence why using 2.
[20:04] <pc1pcl> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Prepare_your_SD_card
[20:04] <infaddict> i will try with one and see what happens
[20:04] <pc1pcl> if new camera, then 2 partitions won't work, according to that.
[20:04] <infaddict> nah its 2008 camera
[20:05] <infaddict> i followed their instructions and they recommended using STICK utility which does all of this for you
[20:05] <infaddict> sadly my camera just ignores everything lol
[20:05] <infaddict> i will try the manual instructions i think
[20:06] <daveake> There's a limit on the size of a bootable partition I think, which is why sometimes you need 2
[20:06] <pc1pcl> probably also worth a try to see if it works at all with the update firmware option.
[20:06] <infaddict> yep its put a v small fat16 partition to boot
[20:06] <daveake> I don't bother with the booting - I just load the firmware through the menu
[20:06] <infaddict> then a larger fat32 for pics
[20:07] <infaddict> dave is that a one off tho and have to be done every time?
[20:07] <daveake> Every time you switch it on
[20:07] <infaddict> or perm fw update that installs chdk
[20:07] <infaddict> ah ok
[20:07] <daveake> It's a minor pita
[20:07] <infaddict> so do u have to do the fw update out in the field just before launch?
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[20:18] <daveake> yeah, 30 seconds tops
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[20:21] <Babs_> evening - as long as it is logic level, do i need to worry about whether my mosfet is n channel or p chennel?
[20:22] <pc1pcl> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/81935/mosfet-usage-and-p-vs-n-channel
[20:24] <Babs_> thanks pc1pc1
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[20:50] <infaddict> solved my CHDK issue on mac. if anybody is interested its because the default archive opener on mac applies a strange file permission to the files.
[20:50] <infaddict> by using another product (e.g. iZip) i did it all again and it worked ;-)
[20:50] <pc1pcl> ;)
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[21:00] <infaddict> now to choose a invervalometer script
[21:06] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgh4u7lrs51xqn7/gaga2.lua?dl=0
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[21:10] <infaddict> ooh thx Upu taking a look. found ultimate intervalometer which looks nice.
[21:10] <Upu> thats one John Graham-Cumming did
[21:11] <Upu> its quite comprehensive
[21:11] <infaddict> great will load it up now and take a look
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[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[21:31] <Guest76045> Hi !!
[21:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ho
[21:32] <Guest76045> Alguien habla espaƱol aqui ???
[21:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope
[21:32] <Guest76045> upss !!
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[21:39] <Vaizki> so if I'm going to use i2c to talk to ublox, I can just leave the rx/tx nc, I don't need them for initial setup or anything?
[21:41] <adamgreig> correct
[21:41] <adamgreig> if you're designing a PCB, I have additional advice
[21:41] <adamgreig> connect them to a header so you can plug them into your PC (via a USB-serial adapter)
[21:41] <Vaizki> well I'm mucking about in Eagle :D
[21:41] <Vaizki> not sure about the "designing"
[21:41] <adamgreig> that way you can use u-center on your PC to debug, talk to the GPS, check out status and settings, etc
[21:41] <adamgreig> so example
[21:41] <adamgreig> https://agg.io/u/m2r.pdf
[21:41] <Vaizki> right, that's why I asked if I'm going to put a 3-pin header there
[21:42] <adamgreig> the GPS on there
[21:42] <adamgreig> is connected to the microcontroller's I2C (SDA and SCL)
[21:42] <adamgreig> but also to an (isolated, but probably don't worry about that for HAB) connector for my computer
[21:42] <adamgreig> which was really handy!
[21:42] <Vaizki> sure
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[21:46] <Upu> spacing on that RF amp is specific
[21:46] <Vaizki> I just took on an atmega328 tracking board as a pure Eagle excercise
[21:47] <Vaizki> this is painful for a first timer :)
[21:47] <adamgreig> Upu: it forms an impedance matching network with the tracks and the passives
[21:47] <Upu> yep
[21:48] <adamgreig> bit of a pain in the butt to measure and test
[21:49] <adamgreig> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6u5ls3ez7dt8qt9/AABi0vB5C8zq95JTSth5_Pbfa
[21:49] <Upu> want
[21:49] <Upu> I really could do with one
[21:50] <adamgreig> we snuck into the computer lab and hunted open offices til we found this sitting on someone's desk ;)
[21:50] <Upu> I do wonder if you could make a basic one with a BladeRF
[21:50] <adamgreig> yea
[21:50] <adamgreig> you could
[21:50] <Upu> beyond my skills
[21:50] <adamgreig> but how much would you trust it?
[21:50] <Upu> suprised no one has done it
[21:50] <Upu> well
[21:50] <Upu> probably enough for what I need
[21:50] <adamgreig> it even comes with a basic tool for doing network analysis I think
[21:51] <adamgreig> hmm. no, I guess I was dreaming that
[21:52] <adamgreig> but yea you could definitely do something similar
[21:53] <Upu> s/you/someone
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[22:24] <Vaizki> ok so I slapped together my first Eagle project, anyone want to shred it to parts so I learn something? :)
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[22:25] <craag> Vaizki: Stick the gerbers up on gerblook :)
[22:25] <Vaizki> it's just 328p, ntx2b and a header for upu's new GPS module with LNA
[22:25] <Vaizki> craag: gerbwhat?
[22:26] <Vaizki> oh ok. cool. it renders the finished product?
[22:27] <Vaizki> so I put everything in a zip file?
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> ye
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> +s
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> the gerber files and the drill file
[22:29] <mattbrejza> doesnt need to be a zip
[22:31] <Vaizki> ok well generating gerbers seems to be one more thing to study and learn
[22:31] <Vaizki> wasn't as easy as I imagined :)
[22:34] <Vaizki> well gerblook is giving me 504 gateway timeout anyway
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[22:39] <Vaizki> yea seems like gerblook is borked
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[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:04] <Vaizki> how long does it usually take to generate the view?
[23:04] <Vaizki> I guess not 30 mins :)
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[23:09] <Laurenceb_> has anyone here used the si446x in direct Tx mode?
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> I'm having problems, it seems to have gone into OOK mode
[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03D-7 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=D-7
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[23:16] <craag> Vaizki: About 30s is normal.
[23:16] <craag> I would suggest using it when it's working again - it'll show you what the pcbs will actually come out as
[23:16] <craag> Which can be different to what you seen in eagle with stuff like text placement
[23:17] <Vaizki> ok.. not that I did any work on text placement yet :P
[23:17] <craag> Here's a sample view of one of my boards: http://gerblook.org/pcb/HsDV5KcgrUeftkDhXB9gVc
[23:18] <Vaizki> mmm nice
[23:21] <Vaizki> I have a lot to learn is what I see here :)
[23:24] <Vaizki> ah ok now gerblook is working but fails at "Finding outline"
[23:25] <Vaizki> I guess my board is screwed
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[23:53] <Vaizki> oh dammit now.. I just can't get it to work
[23:54] <Vaizki> always bombs out on "Finding outline" and reports "Failed to render the background"
[23:55] <craag> what job file are you using to generate the gerbers?
[23:58] <Vaizki> sparkfun's
[23:58] <Vaizki> any better ideas? :)
[23:58] <craag> ok - not used that one before
[23:58] <craag> can you post up the zip somewhere for me to take a look at?
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