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[05:25] <deki_> Hi there, just wondering if there's a UI View program I can download without having to register?
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[05:47] <WB8ELK_> Trying to figure out how to download the raw data from my flight today (WB8ELK). I tried to post a Flight Doc but it didn't go through right. The track did show up on the map but not sure where the data went. Anybody have an idea?
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[07:56] <li4m0> ! flights
[07:56] <li4m0> !flights
[07:56] <SpacenearUS> 03li4m0: Current flights: 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8), 03PS-33 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(c560), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[07:57] <li4m0> damn phone
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[08:37] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03K6RPT-12 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=K6RPT-12
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[08:46] <Odd^Satomi> !location B-64
[08:46] <Odd^Satomi> !ping B-64
[08:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Odd^Satomi: No contact from 03B-64
[08:47] <Odd^Satomi> !ping PS-33
[08:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Odd^Satomi: No contact from 03PS-33
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[09:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M1 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M1
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[09:37] <Boelle_dk> Sorry for pollouting the mail list
[09:37] <Boelle_dk> do not think of it as i have a cable connection and phone comes with 20GB a month
[09:38] <jed_edu> EDUPIC12 is up launched from mi wales at 9.20 freq 434.075, 390shift, 8n2
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[09:46] <Upu> not on the map ?
[09:46] <Upu> !track EDUPIC12
[09:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPIC12
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[09:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC12 after 033 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPIC12
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[09:57] <Boelle_dk> btw... anyone knows if the 2 B flights are still there?
[09:57] <Boelle_dk> just curious
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Do you mean the B-xx flights, there all in Habitat, and can be pulled out http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[10:02] <Boelle_dk> Upu: searched for the lbr with gps breakout and got this error: http://pastebin.com/vkdTbfX6
[10:03] <Boelle_dk> Yep i meant the B-xx flights... just wondered if they are still up
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[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> There no longer being heard ..... if they still float w will probably never know!
[10:06] <Upu> Boelle_dk https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries
[10:06] <Boelle_dk> Upu: thank you
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[10:07] <Boelle_dk> Geoff-G8DHE-M: but they did well.... was it a whole year?
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> No more like 100 days 9 loops of the planet however, nearly 10
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> last heard over Iceland
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[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=0
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[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 12th July to 23rd Nov
[10:13] <Boelle_dk> still a bit amazing for me
[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Amazed all of us including Leo I think!
[10:13] <Boelle_dk> the next Q... how to beat that :-D
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[10:14] <Boelle_dk> You from germany? just read the mails on the new rules there
[10:14] <Boelle_dk> here in DK its a joke.... can launch if i put a 100 meter string on it
[10:15] <Boelle_dk> and they refuse to issue permits to private individuals
[10:15] <Boelle_dk> more or less that is
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nope i'min the UK
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Just hope they never make a commmon set of rules for the EU!
[10:16] <Boelle_dk> i thought they had....
[10:16] <Boelle_dk> i read the danish rules and it reffed a EU directive
[10:17] <Boelle_dk> did not read the directive as each country can set more strict rules if they want to
[10:17] <Boelle_dk> or so i think
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[10:19] <Boelle_dk> (EU) nr. 923/2012 af 26. september 2012
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Eugh, might look it up at some point :-(
[10:20] <Boelle_dk> (EF) nr. 1035/2011 og forordning (EF) nr.1265/2007, (EF) nr. 1794/2006, (EF) nr. 730/2006, (EF) nr. 1033/2006 og (EU) nr. 255/2010
[10:20] <Boelle_dk> i guess the numbers are enough
[10:21] <Boelle_dk> but for me the thing is 100m max... and how to gurantee that ?
[10:21] <Boelle_dk> can a big party baloon not get above that?
[10:21] <Boelle_dk> it pisses me off....
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Well yes the 36"=1m balloons get to 5-8Km I tink with no problem
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[10:23] <Boelle_dk> i wonder what they have smoked when they set the limit to 100m
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sometimes very difficult to figure out why certain rules ..
[10:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> waiting for EDUPIC12 at the moment not on my waterfall yet
[10:25] <Boelle_dk> but i know its the same limit for RC planes.... those i can understand.... as they are controllable
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial edupic12
[10:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8): 03434.07488 MHz, 434.074486 MHz, 434.07505 MHz, 434.07506 MHz
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[10:45] <Boelle_dk> Q while cleaning up the desk here.... what radio module could be used for this floating ukhas node / tracker.... i know the radio metrix modules are used a lot... but can the RFM do both jobs at the same time?
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[10:53] <Vaizki> both meaning rtty tracker and what else?
[10:55] <Boelle_dk> rtty plus work as ukhas node
[10:55] <Boelle_dk> ukhas node uses an RFM69HW
[10:55] <Boelle_dk> thought it could also work as rtty tracker
[10:55] <Boelle_dk> but not sure at all
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[10:57] <daveake> Not practically. The '69 is 868MHz and the rtty tracking stations have 434 aerials
[10:58] <daveake> It's possible to add an NTX2 and drive both from a single AVR
[10:58] <daveake> I've done it
[10:58] <daveake> Well, mine was LoRa + NTX2 but there's not much difference
[10:58] <Boelle_dk> hehe... just a thought if the radiometrix could be saved
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[10:59] <Boelle_dk> not sure but think the 69 can be had in 434 too...
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[10:59] <Boelle_dk> just a faint memory
[11:02] <Boelle_dk> i remembered correct... but i assume you cant drive 2 of them from same avr
[11:02] <daveake> Well, if it can it won't be ideal, and then you've got the aerial to worry about
[11:02] <Boelle_dk> just brainstorming myself as i work in eagle
[11:02] <Boelle_dk> yep
[11:02] <Boelle_dk> prop bad idea anyway
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[11:08] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KD8SVI-12 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KD8SVI-12
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[11:17] <Boelle_dk> the NTX2 is 5V right? or does it work under 3.3 too? trying to read the data right
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[11:19] <Vaizki> works with 3.3V
[11:19] <Vaizki> 2.9 - 15V
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[11:20] <Vaizki> Upu here sells them and will get you sorted :)
[11:20] <Vaizki> and I gotta run&
[11:20] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03li4m0 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=li4m0
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[11:23] <Boelle> f.... pc
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[11:26] <Boelle> pheeww
[11:26] <Boelle> it was in the mood for a frezze
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[11:26] <Boelle> thought i lost my work
[11:26] <Boelle> anyway... someone wrote something but did not have a chance to read
[11:26] <Boelle> was it about the NTX2B ?
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[11:31] <Boelle> oh well got the datasheet open, it was there my pc crashed
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[11:31] <Boelle> 2.9 as the lowest
[11:31] <infaddict> hi Boelle you can always check the logs to see history of IRC chat http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[11:32] <Boelle> :-D
[11:32] <Boelle> *slap myself in face*
[11:34] <infaddict> if your q was on input voltage to NTX2B then yes 2.9 is lowest. 15V is highest. I'm using the same module for my first flight.
[11:35] <infaddict> but remember that voltage can drop off over time of flight and as temp lowers (check datasheets for your batteries)
[11:35] <infaddict> e.g. going with 3V of batteries won't always result in 3V output
[11:40] <Boelle> nope.... going to test this in the frezzer when i get that far...
[11:40] <Boelle> for now its more or less just scratching my head and putting my thoughts in an schematic in eagle
[11:41] <infaddict> yer i'm thinking of an onboard voltage measurement to log that so I can see effects over time/temperature
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[11:43] <Boelle> same here as what i build are a 2-in-1
[11:43] <Boelle> tracker as normal and a ukhas node/repeater
[11:43] <Boelle> the later uses the rfm69 module
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[11:44] <Boelle> and that nees to be heated to stay on freq
[11:44] <Boelle> and then i put in an extra temp sensor....
[11:44] <Boelle> could be nice if freq of the NTX2 could be adjusted on the go
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[11:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
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[11:47] <daveake> <Boelle> and that nees to be heated to stay on freq
[11:47] <daveake> No it has registers
[11:47] <daveake> 18<Boelle> could be nice if freq of the NTX2 could be adjusted on the go
[11:47] <daveake> The NTX2B can, but why would you want to ?
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[11:48] <Vaizki> Keep it simple...
[11:48] <Boelle> last first...dooh, NTX2B does not drift
[11:49] <Boelle> forgot that one
[11:49] <Vaizki> I keep telling myself
[11:49] <Boelle> RFM69 is said to drift off if it gets cold
[11:49] <Boelle> read that somewhere on ukasnet
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[11:49] <daveake> To an extent, on 434 RTTY it doesn't matter if it drifts; the listeners will retune anyway
[11:50] <daveake> For the RFM69, you can set the frequency thru registers
[11:50] <daveake> If like the rfm22 you can read its temperature, then you can adjust the frequency according to temperature
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[11:51] <kevtheskin> Hello all. Can some one tell me how to select a ballon on map to get info. I tried clicking on it but it comes up no vehicle selected top left
[11:51] <Boelle> daveake: yep but is the internal temp sensor good enough for that?
[11:51] <daveake> I don't know you'd have to try
[11:52] <daveake> Depends on how close it is to the xtal
[11:52] <Boelle> hehe... will do... i assume a test in the frezzer is good enough for starters
[11:52] <daveake> And of course you can bring them closer thermally
[11:52] <Boelle> xtal is about 5mm from the chip itself
[11:52] <kevtheskin> Also where can i get frequency info
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> ON the tracker the path can be clicked, but the balloon info is on the lefthand panel
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial edupic12
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8): 03434.07467 MHz, 434.074674 MHz, 434.074681 MHz, 434.074679 MHz
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Otherwise announcments on the forum or via iCalendar on Habitat
[11:55] <kevtheskin> Thanks do you have frequency for Li4mo
[11:55] <kevtheskin> or url for all freq listing cheers
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[11:56] <Vaizki> !dial li4mo
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Vaizki: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> !DIAL LI4MO
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its not registered on Habitat
[11:56] <Vaizki> Oops
[11:56] <kevtheskin> !DIAL LI4MO
[11:56] <Vaizki> ...
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial Li4mo
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> There isn't a flight document
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[11:57] <Vaizki> Cowboy balloon
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[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial li4mo
[11:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
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[12:18] <Ian_> Boelle, you need a fleet of unidentified pirate ships to release balloons from international waters in the North Sea. How much room is there in DK jails?.
[12:19] <Boelle> never been in one... but prob half of what the room i'm in is
[12:20] <Boelle> ohh there are rules for this
[12:20] <Boelle> not below 9 sqare meters
[12:21] <Boelle> but yes... danish rules stinks
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[12:26] <Boelle> about the ukhas node and temp... has it been played with since BALL1 ?
[12:27] <Boelle> doh
[12:27] <Boelle> AH3
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[13:29] <Boelle> does this look total bonkers? http://imgur.com/2rZjCJk
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[13:34] <Vaizki> Boelle: so gps would run from soft-serial? why not use i2c?
[13:35] <Boelle> did not think of it
[13:36] <Boelle> just doing a rough schematic
[13:38] <Vaizki> sorry I'm completely new to HAB.. what's the benefit of running the 868 hasnet over 433MHz RTTY and possiby LoRa?
[13:38] <mattbrejza> didnt you just sell all your hab stuff...?
[13:39] <Boelle> not final yet....
[13:39] <Vaizki> this is just off the top of my head but thinking that 868MHz would have worse range than 433 and while it's birectional you'd probably get only pretty bad uplink range
[13:40] <Vaizki> up to the balloon that is
[13:40] <Boelle> its still out in the hall waiting to be packed
[13:40] <Boelle> Vaizki: this is a 2-in-1 think
[13:40] <Boelle> tracker and ukhas node
[13:40] <qyx_> when drawing schematics, there are some good rules
[13:40] <qyx_> like guidelines when you are programming
[13:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03DIPERK1 after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=DIPERK1
[13:41] <Vaizki> sure.. just reading up on ukhas.net for the first time..
[13:41] <Vaizki> looks like APRS on ISM band :)
[13:41] <Boelle> i know... but i dont know them all
[13:41] <qyx_> examples - rotated transistors are not nice, rotated grounds too
[13:41] <qyx_> signals connect to buses at 45° angle
[13:41] <qyx_> and always annotate them
[13:42] <Vaizki> also the schematic is missing some connections to +5V and VCC for example
[13:42] <Vaizki> at least in the power part and the 328p power side
[13:42] <Boelle> Vaizki: nope... look for labels
[13:42] <Boelle> lines with same label names are connected
[13:43] <Boelle> and its just a rough one... i will make it look pretty later
[13:43] <Vaizki> so ~5V is a label? which connects to X3-1 really? :)
[13:43] <qyx_> also when you are doing this, do a uhm.. how is it called
[13:43] <qyx_> like on your reset pin
[13:44] <Boelle> i know
[13:44] <qyx_> make the signal end and label it there
[13:44] <Boelle> i have not used time to make it look super pretty
[13:44] <qyx_> thats not about the time
[13:44] <qyx_> it takes the same time
[13:45] <qyx_> because such schematic is completely unreadable
[13:45] <qyx_> like when you ask for a help and pastes a 500line spaghetti like function
[13:46] <Boelle> Vaizki: yes... i forgot the label near X3-1....
[13:46] <qyx_> on, those are not transistors but ds18b20
[13:47] <Boelle> the connection does not show on schematic but will on board
[13:47] <qyx_> and thats wrong
[13:47] <Boelle> qyx_: i know... did not have a part for them
[13:47] <Boelle> but it will be changed later on
[13:47] <Vaizki> isn't there a generic TO-92 part?
[13:47] <Boelle> as i said not 100% correct
[13:47] <qyx_> i am sure there is ds18b20 too
[13:47] <Boelle> dont kill me for this
[13:47] <Vaizki> or ds18s20
[13:48] <qyx_> and if not, make your own
[13:48] <Vaizki> hey at least I gave some ideas :)
[13:48] <Vaizki> (using i2c for gps)
[13:48] <Boelle> yep... that one slipped my mind
[13:48] <Boelle> will correct that among the other stuff
[13:49] <Boelle> just wanted to know if it was total crap or not...
[13:49] <qyx_> another idea would be to use a mcu with more than one serial
[13:51] <Vaizki> are there any DIP AVRs that have more than one?
[13:51] <Vaizki> I am probably going to use the Teensy 3.1 myself
[13:51] <qyx_> uh, dip
[13:52] <qyx_> but maybe atmega644 would do
[13:53] <Vaizki> I thought it has only one uart also..
[13:54] <qyx_> hm, 164p/324p/664p has two
[13:54] <qyx_> but not in dip
[13:54] <qyx_> anyway, cortex is a way to go
[13:55] <Boelle> just send me a few
[13:55] <Laurenceb__> this is very cool
[13:55] <Laurenceb__> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/industries/metering-energy-measurement/MAX35101.html
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> dunno if it might be useful for ballooning
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[13:57] <PE2BZ> !payload edupic12
[13:57] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8) 03$$EDUPIC12 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.075 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/380Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[13:59] <qyx_> Laurenceb__: huh 20ps resolution?
[13:59] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[13:59] <qyx_> thats ~6mm resolution for light TOF
[14:00] <alxwntr> Ha! Sounds slightly overkill...
[14:00] <Vaizki> 6mm resolution laser ground radar?
[14:00] <Vaizki> altimeter++
[14:00] <qyx_> sure for ultrasonic as they say in the features
[14:00] <Laurenceb__> maybe
[14:00] <Laurenceb__> yeah, but could to connect to laser stuff
[14:01] <qyx_> yep
[14:01] <alxwntr> you could do something like this with that accuracy
[14:01] <alxwntr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xAaHDOV8VA
[14:01] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 036 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_PLUS
[14:01] <Laurenceb__> some of these http://sensl.com/
[14:03] <Vaizki> so can someone explain this LoRa thing to me.. the RFM98W-433S2 has 100mW output power but at least here in Finland we're not allowed more than 25mW at 10% duty cycle
[14:04] <Vaizki> is 100mW allowed in the UK or elsewhere in EU?
[14:05] <qyx_> at 433 probably no
[14:05] <qyx_> see EN 300 220
[14:06] <qyx_> but on some parts of 686 MHz you can do 500mW @ 10% duty
[14:06] <qyx_> *868
[14:06] <Vaizki> hmm
[14:06] <daveake> 433 you can use much more than 100mW but only as a ham on (in the UK) not airborne
[14:07] <Vaizki> yea but I'm talking license free of course
[14:07] <daveake> 868 has a complicated arrangement of allowed power/DC
[14:07] <daveake> and bandwidth
[14:07] <qyx_> yep, it is split into multiple parts according to modulation/usage/freq/duty
[14:08] <Vaizki> well hmm at least here the local regulator is saying 869,400869,650 MHz is ok at 500mW and 10%
[14:14] <Vaizki> and their spec is that 10% of 1 hour.. transmitting 10 seconds every 2 minutes would be basically ok.
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[14:22] <Boelle> qyx_: rotated transistors.. i replaced the DS sensors with some from a lbr that Upu made
[14:23] <qyx_> you are not doing it to make *me* happy :P
[14:23] <Boelle> hehe... but well i will look better
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[15:00] <Boelle> http://imgur.com/RRIYOY8
[15:00] <Boelle> might still not be perfect
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[15:02] <jededu_mob> did edupic go out of range?
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[15:05] <jededu_mob> or did it stop taxing
[15:05] <jededu_mob> txing
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It did for me got to 13:40 and it was very faint on the w/f
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but it was still Tx every 2 minutes
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but was weaker than I would have expected normally can track out to 300Kms over the sea.
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> mind you it was at 294Km so given the height that isn't so starnge
[15:13] <jededu_mob> it was lower than I hoped someone may pick it up
[15:15] <jededu_mob> it has about 2 days in it
[15:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> it should be in range o barcekoina web sdr later tonight
[15:15] <SA6BSS-Mike> barcelona*
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Put a post on the board it might get some French stations listening
[15:16] <jededu_mob> I will when I get back I'm in traffic at a standstill
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Ah yes doesn't make it easy!
[15:17] <daveake> Ah I forgot it only Tx's part of the time
[15:17] <daveake> I thought my AOR scanner was deaf when I tried it after hearing rtty on the ICOM :/
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[15:23] <Ian_> Boelle: RFM69HW isn't going to cut the mustard as part of a tracker I suspect, but as part of a sensor it should be OK. Scarcity of groundstation network coverage is going to be your problem there.
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[15:23] <Boelle> Ian its there to work as a UK has node
[15:24] <Boelle> i'm trying to do a 2-in-1
[15:24] <Ian_> NTX2B the ENable pin is best driven from your MCU rather than tied to VCC. That way at least you have control of the tx output so can make breaks in transmission
[15:24] <Ian_> C8 the legending for the value is all-to-cock :)
[15:25] <Boelle> NTX.... just direct to a digital pin then?
[15:25] <Boelle> C8i know.... just a temp hack....
[15:26] <Boelle> there was 3 caps there and i just summed the values
[15:26] <daveake> You might need a decent DKNet network before you bother with this
[15:26] <daveake> The one in the UK isn't good enough yet for HAB
[15:27] <SA6BSS-Mike> my old payload that was rwcovered in SP land , is up, but it seems cursed, its going down :/
[15:27] <Ian_> There must be a better way of displaying your diagrams. The result is either too small to see usefully or too big to be able to see a complete unit. A bit like driving around Paris and looking out of a slit in a tank - no overall picture.
[15:27] <Boelle> i planned to make this a floater... an a uk has node as floater yes it will be far between you hear it.... so thought of adding a normal tracker
[15:27] <daveake> A tank is probably a good idea for Paris
[15:28] <daveake> Well a float from DK isn't going to reach the rest of the network
[15:28] <Ian_> A necessity in Rome
[15:28] <Boelle> Ian_: i just exported as image from Eagle
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[15:29] <Ian_> Boelle, Fine, what is the native output from Eagle? Are you using Linux, Mac or Windows - I'm thinking of Imagemagick for perhaps rescalling before you post to a site
[15:30] <Boelle> Eagle schematic outputs a dot sch file for the schematic
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[15:30] <Boelle> but yes i can just scale the pic down and repost it
[15:31] <Ian_> What graphic file type is exported? png, jpg etc.
[15:33] <Ian_> Imagemagick is a built in for a lot of Linux command lines for example, to change size and the graphic type (if that is wanted)
[15:33] <Boelle> png
[15:33] <Boelle> and yes running on windows
[15:34] <Ian_> OK are you at all familiar with imagemagick? available for windows download, native to command line on Linux
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[15:34] <Ian_> example:
[15:34] <Boelle> nope... but i can do the same thing in paint
[15:34] <Boelle> ie scale and save in other format
[15:35] <qyx_> eagle have dpi setting in the export window
[15:35] <Boelle> yep...
[15:35] <Ian_> convert picture,png -resize 40% newpicture.jpg
[15:35] <Boelle> that too
[15:35] <qyx_> use that dpi setting
[15:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA after 032 days silence - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=PI_SKY_LORA
[15:35] <Ian_> that sounds even petter qyx
[15:35] <qyx_> also its better to print to pdf
[15:35] <Boelle> was using 600.... overkill....
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[15:35] <Boelle> to pdf yes....
[15:36] <Ian_> Boelle, do you understand my problem with the sizing issue too small or too big no comfortable ground
[15:36] <qyx_> and besides that - there is something like zoom in the browser
[15:36] <Boelle> Ian_: yep... made it hell to big...
[15:36] <Ian_> imagemagick is the Swiss army knife of command line graphic processing and all that infers.
[15:36] <qyx_> ididn't even notice it is big
[15:37] <Ian_> Boelle, you have it in one
[15:37] <Boelle> so scale it 50% maybe?
[15:37] <daveake> Ian_ It's great. I've used it on the Pi to add text/graphic overlays to tracker images before sending them down
[15:38] <Ian_> qyx, it is if you hit the increase size magnifying glass
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[15:38] <qyx_> Ian_: ctrl + scroll
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[15:39] <Ian_> daveake, why should I be surprised that you are an imagemagick convert. I bet you use ffmpeg too. Not so hot for processing bacon though :)
[15:39] <daveake> I did a hacked version of ffmpeg on one flight to add a telemetry overlay to the batc/3G video stream from the payloa
[15:39] <daveake> d
[15:39] <Boelle> anyways was my schematic any better than the first one?
[15:40] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/landed.png
[15:40] <daveake> I /think/ that's the only tracker to video stream its own recovery :)
[15:40] <Ian_> qyx, Boelle, ctrl + scroll is good - Learn something new every day. Thanks.
[15:41] <Ian_> Yes it was improved
[15:41] <Boelle> oki... just want to be sure i dont walk backwards
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[15:42] <Flerb> I was thinking of a fun project I could try to build.
[15:42] <Flerb> I might try getting a pair of keyboards like this http://lucidtronix.com/products/16
[15:43] <Flerb> and then putting lcds on them and wireless modules
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[15:43] <Flerb> to just make a pair of encrypted communication type devices
[15:44] <lz1dev> use password hunter2
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[15:50] <qyx_> with aes-ecb
[15:51] <Flerb> I was looking at a random number generator
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[15:51] <Flerb> which said it has a bias corrrector on it
[15:51] <Flerb> how would you know if it was biased
[15:51] <Flerb> surely it wouldn't be random if it was corrected
[15:52] <qyx_> it is biased if it generates 0 or 1 with unequal probability
[15:53] <qyx_> you can remote this bias by hashing its output with cryptographically secure hash
[15:53] <qyx_> they are designed for unbiased output
[15:53] <qyx_> *remove
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[15:57] <Ian_> Flerb the implementation is different, but older teleprinters had a three tier communications keyboard http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/08_creed_7.jpg
[15:58] <Ian_> and I used one of these too http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/13_creed_7p.jpg a simple tape punch with a message lectern.
[15:59] <qyx_> such motor
[16:01] <Ian_> At the left in this picture is the motor speed governer (black and white striped drum shape). it had two brass slip rings upon which carbon brushes rode.
[16:02] <Ian_> I temember one machine seemed to be having speed excursion problems and upon removing the cover, the brushes had worn away and the spring steel that carried them was happily making contact and shaving brass filings all over the electromechanical transmit unit
[16:02] <Ian_> Such fun.
[16:02] <Ian_> http://www.samhallas.co.uk/museums/henlow/12_creed_7rp.jpg Ooops, forgot the picture
[16:06] <jededu> !hysplit EDUPIC12
[16:06] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[16:06] <Ian_> Flerb: make your keyboards plain language and stick a BID610 on the end. There are bound to be a few available on ebay by now http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jproc.ca%2Fcrypto%2Fbid610.html&ei=0E7OVKXVB8T8UrjEgsAH&bvm=bv.85076809,d.d24&psig=AFQjCNHJUfHhHUj7lt0szzvFGL-Eqfh32A&ust=1422893096458781
[16:07] <lz1dev> !hysplit add edupic12
[16:07] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03edupic12 to defaults
[16:08] <lz1dev> !hysplit add k6rpt-12
[16:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03k6rpt-12 to defaults
[16:08] <lz1dev> !hysplit rerun
[16:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Running HYSPLIT jobs for all defaults. Hold on to your hats
[16:11] <Flerb> interesting Ian_
[16:12] <jededu> Thx lzldev not ideal
[16:13] <Ian_> Yes, but is probably all done in a single eight pin IC package these days
[16:14] <Ian_> Sometimes the passing of these 'high tech' equipments into dim history makes me feel like a caveman.
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[16:26] <lz1dev> jededu: maybe do ritual dance for better winds
[16:26] <NormanOK> hey everyone. I am trying to design a pico-balloon payload by using arduino pro mini, a 434 mhz 10 mW transmitter and a ublox 6M gps. The transmitter can only do ask (ook?). I programmed my arduino to transmit morse code, but I am not sure if that would be optimal. Do you have any suggestions?
[16:26] <jededu> Lol
[16:30] <qyx_> which transmitter? $1 ebay one?
[16:31] <NormanOK> from sparkfun
[16:31] <NormanOK> it was $4
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[16:32] <qyx_> any links?
[16:32] <NormanOK> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10534
[16:32] <qyx_> uhm
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[16:37] <NormanOK> oh wait, it says 32 mW. I don't know why I thought it was 10 mW.
[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ASK=Audio Shift Keying ? Not On/Off Keying anyway.
[16:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> suspect the frequency stability might be a problem as well!
[16:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC3DWT - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=KC3DWT
[16:39] <NormanOK> yeah, the frequency drifts as it transmitts. I wrote a code in gnuradio to look at a 2 khz window and convert it to sound then I can decode it with fldigi.
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[16:41] <qyx_> try to put it to a freezer
[16:41] <qyx_> *into
[16:42] <NormanOK> yeah I should probably do that, I'll just put it in the freezer now to see what happens. that should go down to -20C?
[16:44] <alxwntr> Hello all, can I ask a question about Arduino variables please?
[16:45] <daveake> nope
[16:45] <daveake> :)
[16:45] <daveake> just ask :)
[16:45] <alxwntr> If I get the output of the gps via TinyGPS++
[16:45] <alxwntr> heh
[16:45] <alxwntr> I'm trying to deal with the various fields for the transmission sentence
[16:46] <alxwntr> for example, course
[16:46] <alxwntr> if it comes out in 100ths of deg
[16:46] <alxwntr> it could be conceivably 6 figures, right?
[16:46] <alxwntr> whch would be too big for an int
[16:46] <alxwntr> or have I got that wrong?
[16:47] <alxwntr> it's just that snprintf() can't cope with floats, so I'm not sure how to hold it without the risk of overflow
[16:47] <alxwntr> any advice?
[16:48] <daveake> Well, the nearest 1 degree would be more than enough
[16:48] <daveake> So just divide by 100 and cast to an int
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[16:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing?s%5B%5D=float
[16:48] <alxwntr> with something like "course = (int)gps.course.value()/100;"?
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[16:50] <AdamDynamic> I'm hoping someone can help me? I'm in the process of putting together my first payload and looking at tracking options - how reliable are the Android-based tracking apps? Are they used strictly as 'back-ups'?
[16:50] <daveake> backup only
[16:51] <AdamDynamic> What typically is the problem with them?
[16:51] <daveake> It's not the apps as such; it's the GSM coverage or lack thereof
[16:51] <daveake> especially in a ditch
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[16:52] <AdamDynamic> Ah I see - too dependent on the landing conditions.
[16:52] <daveake> yup
[16:53] <alxwntr> Out of interest, is it recommended to have some kind of GSM comms as a backup to help with recovery?
[16:54] <daveake> I don't bother - I'll use a second radio tracker
[16:54] <Ian_> NormanOK, qyx was right, You wuz robbed! Not quite 10mW and not quite ISM band
[16:54] <alxwntr> just a duplicate system?
[16:54] <daveake> I think that if it's a valuable payload, and your first flight (though arguably you should have that combination) then it's a worthwhile backup
[16:54] <alxwntr> ok cool
[16:54] <alxwntr> thanks
[16:55] <daveake> My reasoning is that a first flight will expose any issues in your tracker (hardware, code) and your ability to track in your chase car
[16:55] <daveake> Once you're confifent in those two, then no need for GSM
[16:56] <AdamDynamic> I think including a back-up is sensible (think a second hand android phone on ebay will be cheap enough)
[16:56] <AdamDynamic> Means I still need to get my head around how to build the tracker :S
[16:56] <daveake> Very worthwhile though
[16:56] <daveake> Any idiot can fly a balloon with off-the-shelf parts
[16:57] <daveake> You learn more and get more reward if you make the tracker
[16:57] <AdamDynamic> Reward (building the tracker and it working) vs. Risk (building the tracker and losing your payload because you know nothing about electronics :)
[16:58] <AdamDynamic> Steep learning curve, still climbing though.
[16:58] <AdamDynamic> Thanks for the help.
[16:58] <daveake> Well you won't know nothing by the time you've made it!
[16:58] <Ian_> The lessons that you will learn rolling your own are inestimable and certainly opens up your understanding of how the whole system and it's parts work
[16:58] <daveake> And proper testing will make sure it works
[16:59] <daveake> mostlly
[16:59] <Ian_> If you can make your own tracker and have it flown as a second string by someone with a proven tracker then it's got to be a win win situation
[16:59] <AdamDynamic> Hmm, that's not a bad idea actually
[17:00] <daveake> You still need to be able to track from the chase car, so make sure you get that sorted too
[17:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You also learn the prqactical aspects of doing a launch as well!
[17:01] <Ian_> Saves you putting your new kit into the trees or a frozen lake as you figure out why you didn't receive any data after letting it go. Not quite as amusing for those that you didn't listen to beforehand of course :)
[17:01] <daveake> :)
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[17:01] <Ian_> Life needs examples from time to time
[17:02] <daveake> Maybe we need a page equivalent to that "common tracker software errors" page
[17:02] <daveake> lisitng the myriad other methods to lose a payload
[17:05] <Ian_> The £1 433MHz tx are useful for early beacons during initial development of HAB teams that still need a lot of educating about tracking. While you strive to bring them around you fly jumbo sized condomes
[17:06] <alxwntr> definitely need that page
[17:06] <alxwntr> it would be really helpful for newbies
[17:06] <daveake> Well I think I volunteered so I'll do it :)
[17:06] <craag> I'd be happy to add a few of my tested methods ;)
[17:06] <daveake> :)
[17:06] <Ian_> *condoms, which force you to think lightweight (ribbed) and to practice that last mile DFing with home made 70cm yagis
[17:07] <daveake> I've done the underfill one
[17:07] <daveake> Not last one for a long while now [touches wood]
[17:07] <daveake> lost
[17:07] <Ian_> Ribbed or unribbed, vanilla or bacon flavoured?
[17:08] <alxwntr> haha
[17:08] <alxwntr> glow in the dark to help with payload retrieval...?
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[17:08] <NormanOK> Ian_, yes sparkfun tends to be a little on the expansive side, and I got two of those :) I have a technician license though, so I think it's okay to use it with my callsign.
[17:09] <alxwntr> so, you're serious about flying with condoms?
[17:10] <alxwntr> is it just an easy way of getting a low alt burst?
[17:11] <Ian_> The bursting volume of condoms is around 25L to 40L. Flying a beacon of a MCU, tx and a couple of CR2032 coin cells is practical.
[17:12] <Ian_> Think of it as training wheels.
[17:12] <alxwntr> sure
[17:12] <alxwntr> do they burst or float?
[17:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ZDRPGUaL0
[17:13] <alxwntr> they're quite robust, aren;t they?
[17:13] <Ian_> Do you care after they fly out of range at that price?
[17:14] <alxwntr> guess not
[17:14] <alxwntr> heh, nice vid
[17:14] <alxwntr> bizarre
[17:16] <Ian_> Benefits are low cost envelope, low gas volume required, lots of fun and more importantly to bring home some facts to team members that insist on being dense. Everyone doesn't do their homework unfortunately.
[17:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I seem to recall some flights from the Australia launched from cars used condoms!
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[17:18] <Ian_> Do you really want to guarantee the loss of your gps and tracker because your team members insist on being clowns? It may be a hard push but you need them and they need to wise up.
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[17:19] <Ian_> What do you know, BigJoe, condom in hand and off we go!
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[17:19] <Ian_> HAB training song!
[17:19] <alxwntr> haha
[17:22] <NormanOK> wow frequency is shifting up quite a bit transmitting from the freezer. so far it shifted about 10 khz.
[17:23] <NormanOK> and also it's going up. is that what we would expect?
[17:24] <Ian_> Exactly so, it's the cold swimming pool syndrome, where the tuning circuit components shrink :)
[17:25] <daveake> And now you know why it was $4 :/
[17:25] <NormanOK> haha, I see :)
[17:25] <NormanOK> yeah
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[17:27] <NormanOK> I don't mind paying a little more, but I couldn't find something good.
[17:29] <NormanOK> the frequency drift doesn't matter so much for me. I just move the window on gnuradio. but you think it is a problem for unattended trackers?
[17:29] <NormanOK> I wonder if one can record the I/Q data in a 1-2 min buffer and compensate for that later.
[17:31] <Laurenceb__> http://oceancontrols.com.au/images/D/KIT-292_04.JPG
[17:31] <NormanOK> ok 15 khz drift. It seems more or less stabilized. I might try it later with dry ice.
[17:32] <Ian_> Is that an electronic insulation dual spool tape dispenser?
[17:33] <Ian_> *electronic dual spool insulation tape dispenser?
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[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[18:02] <pc1pcl> [3~[2~
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[19:17] <michemto> Have question about PITS 434mhz antenna... How to solve this, I mean which antenna I need?
[19:18] <michemto> And how can I get data about height from PITS? Do i need additional sensor or this can be read out of gps
[19:18] <michemto> data
[19:18] <Upu> hi michemto
[19:18] <Upu> the PITS kit is supplied with an RG174 tail you can make into a suitable antenna using the guide on the UKHAS wiki
[19:19] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payload_antenna?s[]=payload&s[]=antenna
[19:19] <Upu> PITS transmits height in the telemetry
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[19:51] <michemto> So antenna which is done following this wiki guide would probably help me to get data perfectly, eh
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[19:53] <chrisstubbs> Yes michemto, and a decent antenna on whatever you are using to receive
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[20:27] <infaddict> hey guys. anybody know if its possible to hook into the regulated 3.3V on a arduino mini pro? so i'm feeding it around 6V (4x1.5V AA batteries) and it regulates itself to 3.3V. Can i then use that 3.3V regulated voltage?
[20:27] <infaddict> or do i have to make my own regulator to power other parts?
[20:28] <bertrik> as I know, the 'RAW' pin takes the high voltage, and the 'VCC' pin is the output of the onboard regulator
[20:29] <bertrik> so yes, you can use that 3.3V regulated voltage to power other things too
[20:29] <infaddict> oh ok i thought VCC was an input, not an output
[20:29] <infaddict> so you could either feed it unregulated (via Raw) or regulated via VCC - but i could well be wrong
[20:29] <bertrik> the amount of current you can pull from that depends on the onboard regulator
[20:29] <bertrik> infaddict: yes, that's what I think too
[20:30] <infaddict> so if i feed my batteries into RAW you think that a regulated 3.3V would be available to me from VCC?
[20:31] <bertrik> yes, with the right polarity on RAW of course
[20:32] <infaddict> thanks bertrik!
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[20:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03M2 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=M2
[20:40] <Vaizki> damn I missed the ISS SSTV broadcast :O
[20:40] <Vaizki> I wonder if they're still sending
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[20:44] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LUTEIJN - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=LUTEIJN
[20:45] <pc1pcl> hmm, interesting..
[20:46] <Vaizki> they are saying the broadcast saturday 31st and sunday 1st of feb
[20:46] <Vaizki> so maybe it's still on for the next pass, which should be in 45 mins or something
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[20:47] <pc1pcl> Vaizki: hmm missed the announcement but worth a try to switch on the radio..
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[20:48] <Vaizki> pc1pcl: saw this http://www.arrl.org/news/sstv-transmissions-scheduled-from-the-international-space-station
[20:48] <Vaizki> The anticipated SSTV mode will be PD180 on 145.800 MHz with 3-minute off periods between transmissions.
[20:48] <pc1pcl> got some partial pictures last time round, but the time between the transmision was too long to get a good chance of a full frame..
[20:49] <Vaizki> right, well I have never tried SSTV so thought this might be a good time to start :)
[20:49] <pc1pcl> as it was more like 8 mins instead of 3.
[20:51] <pc1pcl> http://www.issfanclub.com/node/38549
[20:51] <pc1pcl> according to that terminate at 21:30 UTC so just in time I guess
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[21:01] <Flerb> They end in about half an hour
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[21:31] <Vaizki> well I didn't see anything here on 145.800 :P
[21:31] <SA6BSS> its just startibg to pass http://www.issfanclub.com/
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[21:33] <SA6BSS> I can hear it
[21:33] <pc1pcl> receiving picture here.
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[21:34] <craag> SA6BSS: Are you using the websdr?
[21:34] <SA6BSS> ts2000
[21:34] <craag> oh wow it's loud on the sdr
[21:34] <SA6BSS> have not configuerd naything, just hering the trasmmistion
[21:34] <SA6BSS> Vaizki: soon at yout qth
[21:34] <pc1pcl> mosaic of a face, rocket, astronauts/humans..
[21:35] <SA6BSS> what prog are you using to decode sstv
[21:36] <pc1pcl> qsstv
[21:36] <SA6BSS> its ended...
[21:36] <SA6BSS> ok tnx
[21:36] <pc1pcl> finished this picture yes, says '9/12' wonder if they finish the series up to 12 or it was the last one..
[21:37] <SA6BSS> they are talking on 800
[21:37] <pc1pcl> YL voice
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[21:38] <SA6BSS> is it russan?
[21:38] <pc1pcl> I think so, sstv also has russian text, so would make sense.
[21:38] <SA6BSS> yea, ok
[21:39] <pc1pcl> But I don't think I can really differntiate between russian, ukrainian, and most other slavic languages ;)
[21:39] <pc1pcl> new frame started
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[21:39] <DL7AD> evening
[21:39] <DL7AD> ping <admin>
[21:40] <pc1pcl> coverage ending here, already some drop-outs, increasing static..
[21:40] <DL7AD> AF5LI-11 is about to be launched in 30 or 60min
[21:41] <SA6BSS> multi psk have sst in ir... what does this prog not have
[21:41] <SA6BSS> *sstv
[21:41] <pc1pcl> RS0ISS over the horizon for me...
[21:41] <SA6BSS> got aparsel picture
[21:42] <Vaizki> you got it on 145.800?
[21:42] <SA6BSS> yep
[21:42] <pc1pcl> yes 145.800, SSTV interspersed with saome voice
[21:43] <Vaizki> hmmh
[21:44] <pc1pcl> Vaizki: no luck even receiving something?
[21:46] <Vaizki> none.. but I'm a complete newbie to this :)
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[21:46] <Vaizki> waterfall is completely clear
[21:47] <pc1pcl> hmm, well what are you using to listen? should just tune to 145.800, FM
[21:47] <Vaizki> I see other chatter on the band
[21:47] <Vaizki> I have an Airspy with a 5 meter run to a discone antenna about 12m AGL
[21:47] <SA6BSS> pc1pcl: you can se varius pic here http://www.issfanclub.com/image/tid/54
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[21:48] <Vaizki> and using gqrx
[21:48] <pc1pcl> SA6BSS: those uploads always seem to be much nicer than mine :)
[21:49] <SA6BSS> hehe, best of the best recived uploaded, you see your recieved pic there?
[21:49] <pc1pcl> Vaizki, hmm well at the moment ISS already over China again, so probably nothing much to be heard so have to wait for about 80 minutes I suppose.
[21:51] <Vaizki> yea.. but the SSTV should be a right big swath of bandwidth on my waterfall, right?
[21:51] <pc1pcl> SA6BSS: still looking, got some of the 'stamp' ones last time they did this..
[21:51] <SA6BSS> just put your qth here and it predict future passes http://www.issfanclub.com/
[21:51] <SA6BSS> @Vaizki:
[21:52] <anerdev> hey guys =D
[21:52] <Vaizki> yea I can see the position etc but I guess they stopped transmitting according to original schedule?
[21:53] <pc1pcl> could be, although I got one complete frame starting around 21:30 utc, and they did start another after that. Never quite sure what they end up doing, might leave it on longer..
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[21:55] <SA6BSS> usuly the aprs is runng at 145.825
[21:57] <Reb-SM0U1C> hi all!
[21:57] <Vaizki> so how wide in kHz was the ISS SSTV?
[21:58] <SA6BSS> tjena
[21:58] <craag> Vaizki: http://t.co/YQLQ9RkPJ5
[22:01] <Vaizki> thx.. so I should have seen that very clearly
[22:04] Nick change: SA6BSS -> SA6BSS-Mike
[22:04] <Reb-SM0U1C> SA6BSS-Mike: you got a pic?
[22:04] <Reb-SM0U1C> SA6BSS-Mike: from iss
[22:04] <SA6BSS-Mike> just parciel, closed the prog, its gone
[22:05] <Reb-SM0U1C> ah
[22:07] <pc1pcl> nedd to check were it was saved, but I did get one.
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[22:09] <Vaizki> I did a I/Q recording when ISS passed, ended up with 41GB of data :O
[22:09] <Vaizki> never tried that before either
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[22:10] <Reb-SM0U1C> Vaizki: airspy? :)
[22:10] <daveake> For interest/amusement http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:how_to_lose_your_flight
[22:10] <daveake> and training for idiots :)
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[22:12] <Reb-SM0U1C> :)
[22:13] <pc1pcl> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1gtxdmpruryzs6l/AAANB2r4sm9wUVWzq8EPF5mia?dl=0
[22:13] <pc1pcl> ^- sstv images received from ISS, most are partials from last time, one relatively good one from just now.
[22:14] <Reb-SM0U1C> daveake: my favourite: "Use an RP-SMA plug on the aerial, and an SMA socket on the tracker."
[22:15] <daveake> It's a classic
[22:16] <Laurenceb__> the soviet space station?
[22:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lovely :-)
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[22:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> As a point of interest is there anywhere on the Wiki that explains the need for payload and flight documents ?
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've only found one place right at the bottom of the Protocol section
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[22:26] <Vaizki> Reb-SM0U1C: yes
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[22:28] <Reb-SM0U1C> Vaizki: at 10 MS? :)
[22:28] <Vaizki> apparently 10MHz of bandwidth at 10MS is a lot :D
[22:28] <Vaizki> yes
[22:28] <Vaizki> Gqrx on my mac wouldn't let me choose 2M
[22:28] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE I've not seen one
[22:29] Nick change: Reb-SM0U1C -> Reb-SM0ULC
[22:29] <Vaizki> actually Gqrx on my mac is such a load of crap I'm going to build a windows pc for this SDR stuff..
[22:29] <daveake> In fact my very first question on IRC was "How do I get my tracker on the map:?"; that was the only thing I couldn't find
[22:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> It does seem to be a common misunderstanding that you have to actually have to tell the system what your doing rather than using its crystal ball.
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[22:35] <anerdev> hey guys ..
[22:35] <Upu> evening anerdev
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[22:36] <anerdev> hi upu
[22:36] <anerdev> upu I'm searching the way for send the signal from my balloon to habhub tracker. So, I found the wiki page where there is the string format for receive
[22:37] <anerdev> upu but for send to habhub tracker, I do this with dl-digi ?
[22:37] <Upu> tracker transmits -> radio recieves -> audio fed to dl-fldigi -> dl-flgigi decodes
[22:37] <Upu> you need a payload documetn describing your telemetry string
[22:37] <Upu> then it will appear on the map
[22:38] <anerdev> but automatically ?
[22:38] <anerdev> there is a tutorial for set dl-flgigi ?
[22:38] <Upu> if you have a payload document yes
[22:38] <Upu> sure
[22:39] <Upu> !wiki dl-fldigi
[22:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Found 034 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=dl-fldigi
[22:39] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide?s[]=dl&s[]=fldigi
[22:39] <anerdev> perfect !
[22:39] <anerdev> thank you =D
[22:40] <anerdev> but can I test the tracker at home ? Or isn't good ?
[22:40] <Upu> do yuou have a radio ?
[22:40] <anerdev> an rtl-sdr
[22:41] <Upu> then yes you can
[22:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> and it's recommended.. ;)
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[22:41] <anerdev> thank you ... In this day I will test if all work ... The only problem is that for the viewer of the map, it will show a balloon that stay for many time in the same place =D hiihhi
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[22:42] <Upu> thats not a problem
[22:42] <anerdev> perfect ... another question upu
[22:42] <anerdev> what's OS use you ? and what sound card emulator ?
[22:42] <Upu> Windows 7
[22:43] <Upu> Virtual Audio Cable
[22:43] <anerdev> and sdrsharp ?
[22:43] <Flerb> If you ask him nicely he'll give you a warez copy anerdev :P
[22:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> anerdev: vb-cable also ok
[22:43] <Upu> SDR Radio V2
[22:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> ^^^^ Is good
[22:44] <Upu> I have a BladeRF so I can do the entire 434Mhz band in one go
[22:44] <anerdev> Flerb LOOL ... I like to pay software and if the price is high, I would like to use an open source version hihihi
[22:44] <Upu> mind you so can you
[22:44] <Upu> I paid for my copy Flerb
[22:45] <Flerb> oh sorry Upu
[22:45] <Upu> there are other programs out there
[22:45] <Upu> that do it for fre
[22:45] <Upu> free
[22:45] <Upu> Not tested them though
[22:45] <Flerb> there was one mentioned in radcom
[22:45] <Flerb> not that i read radcom
[22:45] <Upu> Jack Audio
[22:46] <Flerb> radcom is basically arrgh there are no kids in our hobby
[22:46] <anerdev> on my mac I use soundflower for virtual audio card and is great .. and GQRX for receive signal, but is very unstable !!! I don't know if switch on windows or debian ://
[22:46] <Flerb> and then they get kids in their hobby
[22:46] <Flerb> and then they are like aarrrgh there are kids in our hobby
[22:46] <Flerb> TL;DR for the letters section
[22:47] <craag> that's a rather good summary :)
[22:47] <LazyLeopard> Oh dear....
[22:47] <craag> (or was when I last read it, ie when I last qualified for free sub)
[22:47] <LazyLeopard> Hadn't got to that...
[22:48] <anerdev> anyone on debian ? :))
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[22:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM2test_chase - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=MM2test_chase
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[22:56] <tweetBot1> @thecraag: 3.9V Boost for the '3D Printed Camera Emulator' working nicely off 2x AA. RF code and neat connectors: WIP. #ukhas http://t.co/g0UEeBAXlz
[22:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> anerdev: as backup on the mac i have sdrsharp+ fldigi in a virtualbox with win7, rtl_tcp from the mac
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[22:57] <anerdev> Reb-SM0ULC with rtl_tcp you can use in the mac and windows, in the same time ?
[22:58] <SA6BSS-Mike> or use an extra usb sound card to feed the audio back into the computer
[22:59] <Reb-SM0ULC> anerdev: rtl_tcp -a 0.0.0.0 on the mac, then rtl-tcp in sdrsharp
[23:00] <anerdev> SA6BSS-Mike the problem is that in the car is a problem to have many cables hihihi (but is the best idea, I think)
[23:00] <anerdev> Reb-SM0ULC thank you for this command !!!
[23:00] <anerdev> Reb-SM0ULC wonderfould
[23:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> anerdev: no problem :)
[23:00] <SA6BSS-Mike> ah, for car use not verry prctcal no
[23:00] <anerdev> :/
[23:01] <anerdev> I can made in the back of the car a small laboratory hahuhua
[23:01] <anerdev> 3 people: 1 driver, 1 tracker on pc, 1 view finder
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[23:04] <kevtheskin> .list
[23:04] <kevtheskin> /list
[23:04] <craag> try /names
[23:05] <kevtheskin> exit
[23:05] <Upu> what are you trying to achieve kevtheskin ?
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[23:05] <kevtheskin> sorry
[23:05] <kevtheskin> Looking for frequency list
[23:06] <anerdev> lool
[23:06] <Upu> of flights ?
[23:06] <daveake> list of what frequencies?
[23:06] <Upu> !flights
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Current flights: 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8), 03PS-33 434.650 OLIVIA 8/250 Enable RSID 10(c560), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
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[23:06] <anerdev> nice command upu
[23:06] <Upu> !dial EDUPIC12
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC12 10(abc8): 03434.074614 MHz, 434.074655 MHz, 434.074659 MHz, 434.074619 MHz, 434.074629 MHz
[23:06] <Upu> !track EDUPIC12
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=EDUPIC12
[23:06] <kevtheskin> Yes flights
[23:06] <Upu> !wiki spacenearusbot
[23:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No results for your query
[23:07] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[23:07] <Vaizki> so ISS passing into UK now
[23:07] <kevtheskin> Can't see frequencies on that tracker u r?
[23:07] <anerdev> upu the green line is the distance between the receiver tower and balloon. and the green and blue circle ? and the red path ? is the predictor path ?
[23:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> only aprs now, no sst
[23:07] <SA6BSS-Mike> *sstv
[23:08] <Upu> blue is the radio horizon
[23:08] <Vaizki> bah
[23:08] <SA6BSS-Mike> or....
[23:08] <Vaizki> aprs is on what from ISS?
[23:08] <Upu> green is the 5' or something basically if you can't recieve it and you're in the green circle you have equipment issues
[23:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> yes there is , sounds like sstv
[23:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> yep,but switched to sstv
[23:09] <Vaizki> on 145.800?
[23:10] <anerdev> but a complete legend of the tool ?
[23:10] <anerdev> thank you
[23:10] <anerdev> :)
[23:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: hmm, it stoped
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[23:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> its starded again
[23:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> recieving a pic
[23:12] <SA6BSS-Mike> 145.8
[23:13] <Vaizki> ha getting it
[23:14] <SA6BSS-Mike> :)
[23:16] <Flerb> craag: you aren't an rsgb member?
[23:16] <Flerb> holy marconi
[23:16] <craag> Flerb: Not any more - it's a bit expensive for me atm
[23:17] <Flerb> craag: i'd have thought you are a youngster by their definition of the term :P
[23:17] <craag> haha yes
[23:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> Vaizki: not the best, and not compensated for dopler https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/SSTV_RX%202015-02-01%2023h15m53s.jpg
[23:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> heding for bed . gn all
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[23:23] <anerdev> good night guys
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[23:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AF5LI-11 - 12http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=AF5LI-11
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[23:54] <Flerb> well that's upsetting
[23:55] <Flerb> this physics professor who did a lot of recorded lectures with a really good style of teaching (at MIT) who was world-famous for his lectures on physics was barred from MIT
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