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[05:41] <Oddstr13> «the price of PCB's is so cheap» - Upu <-- Where do you get your PCBs from?
[05:41] <Oddstr13> also, what software do you use for PCB design?
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[06:20] <Upu> Oddstr13 www.hackvana.com / Cadsoft Eagle
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[08:17] <SA6BSS> Oddstr13: pcb maker https://oshpark.com/ http://dirtypcbs.com/
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[08:21] <SA6BSS> Oddstr13: if you like a fast tut on eagle, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0O9LKH-_E
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[08:45] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn
[08:46] <UpuWork> morning Reb
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[08:55] <seventeen> Morning Upu
[08:56] <UpuWork> ah good morning sir
[08:56] <UpuWork> private message
[08:56] <seventeen> hello again
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[09:26] <PA3WEG> good morning all
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[09:29] <PE2BZ> !payload gkcpws1
[09:29] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2BZ: Payload 03GKCPWS1 10(a206) 03$$GKCPWS1 - 03434.60802 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/350Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[09:29] <DutchMillbt> Hi Wouter ...good morning
[09:30] <PA3WEG> Hi Klaas
[09:30] <PA3WEG> no signals yet....but not a lot of time here either
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[09:32] <PE2BZ> Goedemorgen! Tijd om het touw los te maken....
[09:32] <DutchMillbt> working@home keep an eye on the tracker
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[09:33] <DutchMillbt> GKCPWS team in the 'room' for a update?
[09:34] <PA3WEG> just checked #HabNL, they are not there
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[09:36] <PA3WEG> DutchMillbt: same here, working from home until 11:15, so after that its just fingers crossed
[09:37] <DutchMillbt> Still cloudy @Winterswijk i see ... we are at the sunny side Wouter ;-)
[09:37] <PA3WEG> thanks for that, yes!
[09:38] <SA6BSS> the are launshing at 12 utc
[09:38] <PA3WEG> hopefully my bicycle gear shifter gets unstuck in the sun
[09:38] <SA6BSS> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/AHZEvqGcsok
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[09:39] <tromso> hello
[09:39] <PA3WEG> hi
[09:39] <pc1pcl> ah, hadn't seen that update yet. Thanks SA6BSS
[09:39] <DutchMillbt> hi tromso
[09:39] <tromso> can anyone of u guys help with rtty decoding usin sdrsharp and fldigi?
[09:39] <tromso> im just getting weird letters :S
[09:40] <PA3WEG> OK, what are your settings on the transmitter side?
[09:40] <pc1pcl> tromso: should be possible, but you'd need to somehow loop audio out from sdrsharp to the (dl-)fldigi audio input. Since you're already geting something, I guess you've arranged that?
[09:40] <tromso> im using virtual sound software
[09:40] <PA3WEG> so what are you receiving?
[09:40] <tromso> seems to be working ok, ill link screenshot 2 sec
[09:40] <PA3WEG> as in, where does the signal come from
[09:41] <tromso> sent from arduino with ntx2b, recieved with funcubedongle
[09:41] <PA3WEG> OK, and at what settings are you sending at the arduino? baud rate, bits and parity and all that
[09:41] <pc1pcl> Ok, if the letters are just gibberish, but nicely grouped etc, then it might be e.g. 'coded' weather reports, but looks like you're sending it yourself
[09:42] <tromso> see screenshot http://bildr.no/view/cFVaczdw
[09:42] <DutchMillbt> Signal reversed? Try RV
[09:42] <PA3WEG> I was going to say that as well
[09:42] <tromso> if I turn of the arduino it dissapears so it should be mine i gueess
[09:42] <Vaizki> whoaa.. that's hot
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[09:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> PA3WEG: have bike inside for a while? got some 1.5 dm snow since yesterday, no biking...
[09:43] <tromso> RV worked!
[09:43] <pc1pcl> it's regular though, so probably some systematic 'error', not random noise coming out.
[09:43] <tromso> omg
[09:43] <tromso> thanks!
[09:44] <daveake> That's a very wide shift; I suspect you're not tuned in to the signal itself
[09:44] <tromso> my god im embarrased right now
[09:44] <daveake> hah we've all done that one :)
[09:45] <PA3WEG> Reb-SM0ULC: cant do that, Im in a flat without elevator, and its a dutch city bike (AKA built like a tank)
[09:45] <pc1pcl> yeah, might be a reflection, or one half of the 'real signal'; as it's probably all on the bench next to each other..
[09:45] <PA3WEG> what you can also do in SDR sharp is disable the mixer gain and LNA
[09:45] <PA3WEG> that should reduce the red as well
[09:45] <PA3WEG> that is, the funcube dongle mixer gain and LNA
[09:45] <tromso> ok thanks I'll try that
[09:45] <PA3WEG> in settings
[09:45] <pc1pcl> but at least the principle works, so now you can start changing one thing at a time to improve it :)
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[09:46] <PA3WEG> by the way, is your nickname from the city Tromsø in Norway?
[09:46] <tromso> yep
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[09:46] <PA3WEG> Nice city!
[09:47] <Vaizki> what will you do if you move?
[09:47] <tromso> were going to send our first balloon with a gopro in a couple of weeks
[09:47] <Reb-SM0ULC> tromso: välkommen. coolt with more norwegians )
[09:47] <tromso> thanks
[09:48] <Vaizki> I need to build a windows pc, this SDR stuff on Mac sucks hard
[09:48] <Vaizki> and no, I don't like Linux on the desktop (servers and embedded - love it)
[09:48] <PA3WEG> Cool, you should try to contact Andøya Rocket Range, they have a tracking station capable of HABs
[09:49] <PA3WEG> I visited Tromsø when flying to Andøya Rocket Range ;)
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[09:50] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Near-Space Ballooning Takes Off In UK - @SkyNews Space Cube http://t.co/0krWekK0xd #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas Info http://t.co/nd5VjZR5kY
[09:50] <tromso> we did go there our first year with university class
[09:50] <tromso> cool place
[09:51] <PA3WEG> nice!
[09:51] <Vaizki> "cool" indeed.
[09:51] <PA3WEG> I was involved a bit in the ANSAT programme
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[09:51] <PA3WEG> you are still in Uni?
[09:52] <Vaizki> so what is the "mission" from tromso?
[09:52] <Vaizki> up & down or a floater?
[09:52] <pd3jag> Hello all is there someone who have info about GKCPWS1 ???
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[09:53] <tromso> were putting a gopro on our payload to make some high altitude footage
[09:53] <Vaizki> pd3jag, postponed to 12:00 UTC
[09:53] <tromso> thats about it.. our first flight :D
[09:53] <PA3WEG> if you are still at uni: attending might be free for this: http://pac.spaceflight.esa.int/
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[09:55] <PA3WEG> but you were probably already aware of that
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[09:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> pd3jag: delayed until 12
[09:57] Action: Reb-SM0ULC can't read all text
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[10:03] <tweetBot> @AKA2112: Near-Space Ballooning Takes Off In UK - @SkyNews Space Cube http://t.co/1i4d6POHw1 #amsat #hamradio #hamr #ukhas Info http://t.co/OxgykMHJhy
[10:03] <tromso> PA3WEG: i was not. I will look into it :D
[10:07] <PA3WEG> right...back to defrosting the bike. Found the problem. the outer tube of the shifter line is damaged and there is moisture in the tube
[10:07] <PA3WEG> time for some vulcanising tape and some sleaing grease after clearing the moisture
[10:07] <PA3WEG> *sealing
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[10:11] <fsphil> seal long and prosper
[10:12] <PA3WEG> haha, thanks phil
[10:13] <PA3WEG> I will
[10:13] <PA3WEG> with tape from vulcan
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[10:13] <PA3WEG> type XH558
[10:15] <PA3WEG> I now realise the plane is older than the series...
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[10:15] <PA3WEG> well, thats it for me, happy tracking!
[10:15] <PE2BZ> GKCPWS1 seems delayed to 13:00 Dutch Local time due to unforseen circumstances
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[10:17] <Vaizki> so if I had a choice of APRS or RTTY 70cm tracking, would APRS be how much better?
[10:18] <Vaizki> ok stupid question.. so.. should I look at APRS at all? :)
[10:18] <Vaizki> my son is a HAM so he is licensed, I am not ;)
[10:19] <Darkside> Vaizki: licensed in what country
[10:19] <Vaizki> Finland
[10:19] <Darkside> ah
[10:19] <Vaizki> I know UK is APRS-deadzone
[10:19] <daveake> airborne, yes
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If you staying within the good coverage area of the distributed Listener setup then APRS is probaly the least best.
[10:20] <Vaizki> least best? as in worst?
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yes
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> but if your leaving the coverage area then APRS is the only solution.
[10:22] <Vaizki> right.. so no need to look at it for first flights
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[11:11] <deki_> Hi there. Is anyone around who might be able to help me with regards to inflating a weather balloon? I have a hwoyee 1600gream balloon, and am trying to figure out the whole regulator thing for it? I'm not sure what type of regulator I need, plus how do I connect it to the ballon? With a nozzle/hose?
[11:12] <daveake> Filling with helium?
[11:13] <Darkside> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ayVgyIjh-8xve10gsdkLtuUhLVQ1u1OVtHoTwpjugac/edit?usp=sharing
[11:13] <Darkside> some pictures that might be useful in that doc
[11:13] <daveake> Also http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:fill_tube
[11:13] <deki_> Yes, helium
[11:14] <deki_> Those 2 links look like what I'm after, thanks!
[11:15] <deki_> Should the PVC tube be slightly larger in diameter to the neck diameter of the balloon?
[11:15] <Darkside> yeah if you can
[11:15] <Darkside> else you can just fold the balloon neck over itself
[11:15] <daveake> Nah I wouldn't bother
[11:16] <Darkside> >_>
[11:16] <daveake> The 1600 neck is quite large
[11:16] <daveake> :)
[11:16] <Darkside> yeah that is a problem
[11:16] <Darkside> 1600g is hueg
[11:16] <daveake> I use 40mm wastepipe, and fold the neck over
[11:16] <Darkside> can fit my fist through the neck of that one
[11:16] <deki_> so it's okay to fold it over?
[11:16] <daveake> yes
[11:17] <daveake> I put on 2 cable ties, plus duct tape over the end
[11:17] <deki_> wow, is all that restraint necessary?
[11:17] <fsphil> I just folded and cable tied it
[11:17] <fsphil> but on the last one I did we did seem to be venting gas somewhere
[11:17] <fsphil> so the duct tape might be a good idea
[11:18] <deki_> hmm okay thanks.
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[11:19] <Darkside> it's Mr Ed!
[11:20] <deki_> Could I also ask if these type of regulators are what you would need for the inflation? https://www.boc.com.au/shop/SearchDisplay?storeId=715838634&catalogId=3074457345616677268&langId=112&pageSize=10&beginIndex=0&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=product_list&authToken=&searchTerm=105206
[11:20] <deki_> It's an Australian site btw (that's where I'm from)
[11:21] <Darkside> ooh
[11:21] <Darkside> an australia
[11:21] <Darkside> an australian*
[11:21] <Darkside> what state
[11:21] <deki_> Queensland, Brisbane :)
[11:21] <Darkside> oh
[11:21] <Darkside> good luck launching from there
[11:22] <Darkside> you'll need to travel inland to launch
[11:22] <deki_> oh yeah, we've got all that covered. We'll be driving approximately 3 hours inland (small town called Dalby)
[11:22] <Darkside> ehh dalby isnt that far in
[11:22] <Darkside> :P
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[11:23] <Darkside> i'm in adelaideian
[11:23] <Darkside> Project Horus
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[11:23] <deki_> it is for us :p oh cool, I've heard about you guys
[11:23] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03GKCPWS1 after 036 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=GKCPWS1
[11:23] <deki_> I think I tried emailing through the site actually
[11:23] <Darkside> haha
[11:23] <Darkside> yeah good luck with that
[11:24] <Darkside> the email that goes to isnt regulalry checked
[11:24] <Darkside> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=cbbbc740148c192d96ac81ca94a9876f55d0b564
[11:24] <Darkside> that doesnt look too bad i guess
[11:24] <deki_> Yeah most predictions have it close by, which we really hope will happen on the day
[11:24] <Darkside> yep
[11:24] <Darkside> so what are you using for tracking
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[11:25] <deki_> APRS! We bought this tracking combo from this website called Byonics
[11:25] <Darkside> right
[11:25] <Darkside> and i take it you have a licensed ham in th egroup?
[11:25] <edmoore> or just a well cured ham
[11:26] <deki_> technically no. We're all university students so we couldn't afford the $270 or so to get one, however we got in contact with a guy in Dalby and he said he'd help us out with his radio friends
[11:26] <Darkside> hrm
[11:26] <edmoore> technically no - the best kind of no
[11:26] <Darkside> well
[11:26] <Darkside> thats a No then
[11:26] <Darkside> which means you cant even test it legally
[11:26] <Darkside> also dalby doesnt look brilliant for APRS
[11:26] <deki_> I've been told that that's a grey area
[11:26] <Darkside> err
[11:26] <Darkside> no
[11:26] <Darkside> its not grey at all
[11:26] <edmoore> it's pretty black and white actually
[11:26] <edmoore> certainly not grey
[11:27] <edmoore> unless you test it in a faraday cage
[11:27] <deki_> well the guy in Dalby said another group launched from there last year and they didn't have problems with APRS
[11:27] <Darkside> in teh air it'll be fine
[11:27] <Darkside> might be difficulties when it lands
[11:27] <Darkside> if you are chasing it with an APRS receiver in the car, then that'll be fine
[11:28] <deki_> Yeah we'll have a receiver in the car, and a SPOT device in the payload for backup
[11:28] <Darkside> sure
[11:28] <Darkside> should be fine then
[11:28] <deki_> yes
[11:28] <Darkside> we generally use RTTY trackers here
[11:28] <Darkside> but have flown APRS numerous times
[11:29] <deki_> oh ok, haven't heard of RTTY
[11:29] <Darkside> but we always have receivers in the car
[11:29] <Darkside> lol
[11:29] <Darkside> obviously yo havent looked around the ukhas wiki much then
[11:30] <edmoore> just be sure to have a ham at launch to lend his callsign to the effort if aprs
[11:30] <Darkside> yes
[11:30] <Darkside> very much so
[11:30] <deki_> I just noticed it the other day actually. Before that I just used the prediction map
[11:30] <Darkside> also a ham to help with tracking
[11:30] <deki_> yeah, the Dalby guy is gonna do that for us
[11:30] <Darkside> hopefully he knows what he's doing
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[11:30] <Darkside> (a lot don't, believe me on that one)
[11:30] <Darkside> what's his callsign?
[11:31] <deki_> hmm I don't know his callsign, but he said he's an assessor
[11:31] <deki_> for the tests
[11:31] <Darkside> oh
[11:31] <Darkside> cool
[11:31] <PE2G> !dial GKCPWS1
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03GKCPWS1 10(a206): none
[11:32] <pc1pcl> update on the GKCPWS1 flight on the mailing list
[11:32] <Darkside> john kirk?
[11:32] <deki_> no his name is Richard
[11:32] <Darkside> humm no richard on the current assessors list
[11:32] <Darkside> http://www.wia.org.au/licenses/assessor/assessors/
[11:32] <PE2G> Tnx, pc1pcl
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[11:33] <deki_> btw, what would you recommend for the regulator? Didn't know there was a list
[11:33] <pc1pcl> 'their' flight is set for 8 bit ascii, the one they state is working is set for 7 bit. So might need to tweak the settings once/if we start receiving anything.
[11:34] <PB0NER-Martijn> indeed... Carrier shift differs too...
[11:35] <pc1pcl> yeah, but same ballpark, so with sufficiently wide margins in filter would work..
[11:36] <Darkside> deki_: i dunno nowdays
[11:36] <Darkside> deki_: we got ours for free >_>
[11:37] <deki_> lucky you!
[11:39] <deki_> well I should go to bed, thanks for your help everyone
[11:40] <Darkside> pff its only 10:30
[11:40] <Darkside> wait queensland
[11:40] <Darkside> 9:40
[11:41] <deki_> I know, but I like to wake up early on the weekends hehe
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[11:42] <deki_> bye everyone
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[11:51] <PE2G> GKCPWS1 on 434.622.5
[11:52] <pc1pcl> looking at the tracker it's not yet in range for me, but I'll adjust my dial. Thanks PE2G
[11:52] <Laurenceb> anyone got an airspy yet?
[11:52] <Vaizki> me
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[11:53] <PE2G> I decode using 7n2
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[11:53] <Laurenceb> is it good?
[11:53] <Vaizki> then again I'm a complete noob so I can't say anything about it ;)
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[11:54] <pd3jag> its going good what is freq someone heard him ???
[11:54] <pc1pcl> seeing something on WF already, lookslike shift is more like 520 though
[11:54] <Vaizki> [13:51] <PE2G> GKCPWS1 on 434.622.5
[11:54] <pc1pcl> $$GKCPWS1,92,11<4:28,1.=63;3#C#;37BE
[11:55] <pc1pcl> still red, but promising ;)
[11:55] <PB0NER-Martijn> qrm ...
[11:55] <PE2G> Shft is 516 Hz here
[11:55] <PB0NER-Martijn> green
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[11:56] <PB0NER-Martijn> carrier shift ~ 500
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[12:05] <pd3jag> baudrate???
[12:05] <pc1pcl> 50
[12:05] <pc1pcl> 7 bits, no parity
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[12:11] <pc1pcl> :) Battery voltage --- HVB
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[12:17] <Vaizki> nice tracking.. like 8 stations hearing
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[12:23] <pc1pcl> just Dutch tracking stations so far though..,
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[12:24] <PE2G> Signal is strong, slightly wobbly, but no drift: http://s14.postimg.org/spxxtj9u9/Screen_23_01_15_132136.png
[12:29] <DutchMillbt> PE1MEW Remko lat/lon in fldigi?
[12:31] <Vaizki> are the germans usually in on these trackings?
[12:33] <PE2G> Vaizki: Current trackers are all Dutch
[12:34] <DutchMillbt> sometimes a few but most stations are to the south of Germany
[12:34] <DutchMillbt> ... and Berlin ;-)
[12:34] <Vaizki> PE2G, yea I can see that
[12:37] <db_g6gzh> 12:33 < PE2G> Vaizki: Current trackers are all Dutch - I'm not Dutch 8-)
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[12:39] <PE2G> db_g6gzh: You're the first UK tracker :)
[12:39] Action: storm_work would love to track and is in range, but it is a workday so he is at the office...
[12:39] <pc1pcl> DutchMillbt: suspecting PE1MEW's not really /A in the channel. Seeing occasional line to England now though, G6GHZ
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[12:41] <DutchMillbt> pc1pcl :You never know ;-)... found him @aprs.fi
[12:42] <db_g6gzh> I expect KNN may be having lunch as he's usually tracking and his station's on the map
[12:45] <Vaizki> so so when that comes down, dutch trackers are going to lose it at 3km or something?
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[12:46] <paul_HAB-P> ShinySDR hooked into a WebGL visualisation :-)
[12:46] <paul_HAB-P> http://gravitywell.no-ip.org/web/shinysdr_webglWaterfall.png
[12:46] <db_g6gzh> Vaizki: possibly lower than that, it's flat country
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Idial GKC*
[12:47] <storm_work> no chasecar involved?
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial GKC*
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial GKCPWS1
[12:48] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03GKCPWS1 10(a206): 03434.6215 MHz, 434.6505 MHz, 434.62366 MHz, 434.6214 MHz
[12:49] <db_g6gzh> Geoff-G8DHE: manually override to 7N2 510Hz shift
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[12:54] <Piet0r> paul_HAB-P: What is Arudino? :p
[12:54] <Vaizki> battery dips every 10 minutes.. is that a cell phone SMS update or something?
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[12:56] <PB0NER-Martijn> major qrm here ... seems something like wideband fm
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[13:00] <pc1pcl> PB0NER-Martijn: MAnaged to avoid most of the QRM by tuning and lowering RF gain, but not ideal..
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[13:04] <PB0NER-Martijn> it is way to strong here
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[13:05] <PB0NER-Martijn> in most packets I have 1 a 2 wrong chars
[13:07] <pc1pcl> same here now, it was a bit better earlier,
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Getting the same here only 1 green but quite good decode apart from some impulse noise :-(
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[13:09] <LunarWork> hello
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[13:10] <PE2G> Hi Lunar, there is a flight SW of you
[13:10] <paul_HAB-P> Lol oops arudino...
[13:10] <paul_HAB-P> you know Piet0r I type it wrong every time
[13:11] <LunarWork> ah cool, thanks
[13:13] <Maxell> Hi, RevSpace also tracking now
[13:13] <Maxell> Oh, and I forgot to install dl-fldigi on the laptop here so I will pass this one.
[13:15] <PE2G> Burst
[13:15] <Vaizki> coming down...
[13:16] <Vaizki> and pretty fast?
[13:16] <Maxell> *meh*
[13:16] <pc1pcl> their 30km alt prediction was pretty accurate
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[13:16] <Maxell> If I knew they where delayed I might have not gone lunching outside...
[13:16] <Maxell> welp
[13:16] <Maxell> neem moar Dutch HABs :)
[13:16] <Vaizki> 30m/s descent? is that normal? (noob here)
[13:17] <LunarWork> seems to be OK
[13:17] <SA6BSS> it will slow down as the ballon hits dencer air
[13:17] <LunarWork> it will slow down pretty quick
[13:17] <Maxell> Vaizki: there is almost no air there :-)
[13:17] <Maxell> air perssure
[13:17] <Vaizki> ah. noob mode :)
[13:17] <LunarWork> yes, in fact about 1/100 atmosphere
[13:17] <Vaizki> I will ask stupid questions, you don't need to answer ;)
[13:18] <Maxell> :P
[13:18] <SA6BSS> At 30000m, the standard barometric pressure is 1 kPa (7 mmHg). This means that there is 1% of the oxygen available at sea level.
[13:18] <LunarWork> there are no stupid questions in fact
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[13:18] <PE2BZ> You can hear the descent slowing down in the signal.
[13:18] <Vaizki> nobody is going to chase & retrieve it?
[13:19] <LunarWork> ah in fact SA6BSS the fractions of the air stay the same
[13:19] <LunarWork> the O2 content at 30km still is about 20%
[13:19] <LunarWork> the total pressure is 1% of that at sea level
[13:20] <pc1pcl> so 1% of the O2 (as a fraction of the amount available at sea level) available at 30km (and also 1% of the N2, argon etc.)
[13:21] <LunarWork> true, I just reread what he said and he is right
[13:22] <pc1pcl> probably would have been cleare if he'd used 'air' instead of oxygen, as it's notjust the O2 that matters for braking..
[13:22] <LunarWork> yes
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[13:27] <Maxell> Vaizki: that is the plan, I hope
[13:27] <Maxell> There is video equipment in there
[13:27] <PE2G> -12 m/s at 16 km looks like a good parachute
[13:29] <pc1pcl> Looks like it's predicted to land near a golfcourse..
[13:30] <pc1pcl> fore! :)
[13:31] <daveake> Done that one :)
[13:32] <Vaizki> thinking of doing one here in Finland.. need to have a rubber dinghy in the car ;)
[13:32] <Vaizki> it's soooo gonna be in a lake
[13:33] <craag> do it in the winter so the lakes are all frozen?
[13:33] <Vaizki> true but where's the fun in that ;)
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[13:33] <craag> heh fair enough
[13:34] <craag> I've wondered about flying an autopiloted boat and landing it offshore with a programmed return.
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[13:35] <Vaizki> running off what? solar? :O
[13:36] <craag> yeah I think the energy budget didn't work out - would have to be internal batteries and solar fallback (at which point it'd be lucky to make it back before current carries it off)
[13:37] <craag> current/wind
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[13:38] <craag> Bob_Saget: Is anything expected from your payloads now?
[13:38] <Vaizki> just a bit of waves and you end up using 3 times the energy for a given trip
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[13:43] <gonzo__> unless you can somehow arrange for the system to swich destinations based on the landing point, to take account of the approximate currents
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[13:47] <db_g6gzh> Oh, Bochum. That's where the big AMSAT dish is.
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[13:49] <Reb-SM0ULC> craag: comparing landing autopilot rocket on boat.. :)
[13:50] <gonzo__> no swearing!
[13:50] <craag> heh yes
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[13:51] <craag> It'd be good to see more guided landing attempts
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[13:51] <gonzo__> the 20mtr bochum dish is owned by the german gov, listed as a national monument, equiv of out listed building
[13:52] <gonzo__> amsat have free use of it as they put lots of work in renovating it
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[13:54] <db_g6gzh> yeah, I remember a few years back having lunch in a cafe in Cambridge and getting a guided tour of the control system over ssh
[13:56] <gonzo__> speaking with g3ruh a while ago, after they a talk he gave of using it to rx the voyager 2. He said that the talk he gave was a few months old.
[13:57] <gonzo__> and they they had updated the system, so that the previous eve, they had logged in on remote from the bar and done a quick vgoyager test. And said, 'oh yes, there it is;' then gone back to beers
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[13:58] <db_g6gzh> all tracking should be done from bars and cafes
[13:59] <gonzo__> I agree. The last balloon I rxed was whilst walking around the local bay, during lunch break
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[14:01] <Vaizki> that prediction of the golf course landing is holding really well
[14:02] <Vaizki> it's slipped by about 1km or so
[14:02] <Vaizki> I didn't realize that the prediction model works that well
[14:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> do they have any "active" charsers? would have been fun to see them on the map
[14:03] <gonzo__> ah was there a flight today?
[14:04] <Vaizki> just landing now
[14:04] <Vaizki> near Bochum / Wuppertal
[14:04] <gonzo__> ah, not in range of me then
[14:05] <db_g6gzh> live prediction is a useful benefit of using RTTY and habhub
[14:05] <Vaizki> only PE2G hanging on with tracking
[14:05] <PE2G> +0.3 deg elevation
[14:05] <Vaizki> :)
[14:06] <PE2G> Will loose it soon
[14:06] <Vaizki> how high is your antenna ASL?
[14:06] <Vaizki> it's only at 1300m above ground
[14:06] <PE2G> ~50 m ASL, 38 m GL
[14:06] <PE2G> 38 m AGL
[14:07] <Vaizki> amazed you can still see
[14:07] <Vaizki> well that is pretty high yes
[14:07] <PE2G> elevation +0.1 deg now
[14:07] <Vaizki> it's going to hit a powerline ;)
[14:08] <Vaizki> predicted landing point is smack on a large powerline
[14:08] <PE2G> 0.0 deg now
[14:08] <Vaizki> well you get that bit of extra from VHF curving?
[14:09] <Vaizki> it's only 700m above ground looks like
[14:09] <Vaizki> and not hitting the powerline.
[14:09] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm, woods..
[14:09] <Vaizki> now you lost it?
[14:09] <PE2G> Yes, -0.1 deg now and reds now
[14:10] <Vaizki> landed on a farm
[14:10] <PE2G> 51.336352, 7.237282 is from te last partial string
[14:11] <PE2G> *from the last
[14:12] <db_g6gzh> gonzo__: the balloon went right over the dish at Bochum, hence my mention
[14:12] <Vaizki> https://www.google.fi/maps/place/51%C2%B020'10.9%22N+7%C2%B014'14.2%22E/@51.334544,7.244773,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s97461438!2e1!3e10!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
[14:12] <Vaizki> oops
[14:13] <Vaizki> didn't mean to paste it.. just checking what it looks like there
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[14:13] <pd5cw> hallo vraagje welk programma wordt er voor gebruikt om de rtty op te nemen ?
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[14:22] <PB0NER-Martijn> pd5cw .. dl-fldigi is te downloaden via habhub.org
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[14:28] <Bob_Saget> craag no. Thanks for setting up the email alerts
[14:29] <craag> np. I'll switch them off then. Well done on getting the float and better luck on the range next time!
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[14:34] <edmoore> you floated? good stuff Bob_Saget
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[14:43] <Bob_Saget> yeah went down somewhere between japan and hawaii
[14:43] <Bob_Saget> thansk craag
[14:45] <Reb-SM0ULC> Bob_Saget: name of your baloon?
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[14:45] <Bob_Saget> one was KM4FSW-11
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[14:46] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
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[15:44] <RalphW0RPK> I am analyzing HF propagation and performance associated with the recent PS-30 flight telemetry. WSPR spots are available and will be analyzed but with limited great-circle distance and bearing precision.
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[15:45] <RalphW0RPK> JT65 telemetry on 20m and 30m does not appear to be available via http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ but http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/PS-30 tells us there are 443 data points available.
[15:46] <RalphW0RPK> I need these data points with reporting station information. How can I get it?
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[15:48] <mattbrejza> x-f.lv/dev as all the telemetry for a payload, but ept/ only has stuff for a flight, so when the flight doc runs out hte telemtry isnt in ept
[15:48] <newHAB> Hi there! Hope you don't mind basic questions... im new to HABs, im currently designing a project in my spare time - i will be transmitting at 434.075 Mhz using the Ntx2b, the payload will have a quarterwave attatched to it just like the UKHAS design guide, I will also be using a yagi directional to try and track, there is a suggested PDF document on the UKHAS website that shows a design for 430Mhz yagi antenna, will this be su
[15:49] <eroomde> hi newHAB, irc has a limit on how much text you can send per message
[15:49] <eroomde> and you went over it, thus truncating the bit that I presume contained your question
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[15:49] <newHAB> oh sorry
[15:49] <eroomde> it got as far as "there is a suggested PDF document on the UKHAS website that shows a design for 430Mhz yagi antenna, will this be s"
[15:50] <eroomde> no problem, you quickly learn to
[15:50] <eroomde> keep
[15:50] <eroomde> messages
[15:50] <eroomde> short.
[15:50] <newHAB> ...UKHAS website that shows a design for 430Mhz yagi antenna, will this be sufficient for my design ?
[15:50] <newHAB> the PDF also suggests that the antenna must weigh 500 grams, is this essential... ? sorry for the basic questions
[15:51] <eroomde> yes, assuming it's the one on the balloon (rather than ground receiver) that I'm thinking of
[15:51] <eroomde> although that design would probably also be fine on the receiver
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[15:51] <pc1pcl> http://widerimage.co.uk/docs/Mountain_Yagi_434_4Element.pdf That one?
[15:51] <eroomde> newHAB, could you link me to the page?
[15:51] <eroomde> thanks
[15:51] <pc1pcl> I wouldn't put a yagi on the balloon.
[15:51] <newHAB> Yes, the one pc1pc1 just linked
[15:51] <eroomde> ah, so that's a directional antenna which you would only want to use as a receiver on the ground
[15:51] <newHAB> im goign to use yagi as recieving antenna
[15:51] <eroomde> *not* as the transmitting antenna on the balloon
[15:52] <pc1pcl> the 500 gram was ust a design criterium from the orignal maker, s far as I can see
[15:52] <eroomde> so for the ground receiver the weight should be irrelevant, unless you have an arm injury or something and have to take it easy :)
[15:52] <pc1pcl> probably to make it portable enough. :)
[15:52] <newHAB> okay thank you very much
[15:53] <eroomde> i would also suggest that a less directional antenna is probably adequate for general receiving from a balloon, and doesn;t require constant adjustment to the direction like a yagi
[15:53] <pc1pcl> you probably want a nondirectional (e.g. 1/4 wave) antenna for tracking on the ground too, if following by car or not knowing what direction to point at.
[15:53] <x-f_> RalphW0RPK, on habhub/ept filter by payload, not flight, you'll get 443 data points
[15:53] <newHAB> i read it and thought the weight some how altered its values, had me worried!
[15:53] <eroomde> however a yagi is extremely useful for: 1) long range reception and 2) trying to do direction finding, say when trying to recover a landed payload that has lost gps lock
[15:54] <newHAB> would the design of the 1/4 wave be appropriate for the recieving end aswell ?
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[15:54] <eroomde> newHAB, yes
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[15:54] <eroomde> however that design is not that robust
[15:54] <newHAB> okay, thank you for the quick responces
[15:54] <eroomde> so for a chase car i would suggest a standard magnetic mount antenna of the sort that you can buy for cars from amateur radio shops
[15:55] <pc1pcl> yes, if you have the space, budget etc, a 'premade'/'store bought' would probably best
[15:55] <craag> eg. http://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[15:55] <eroomde> and for a fixed receiver (say your house) maybe something you could stick on the roof like a Watson W50 (very popular here), but perhaps save the investment for once you're sold on ballooning. it's certainly not necessary to go to that length for a first flight
[15:56] <newHAB> should i use a 1/4 for the chase and then have switch to a yagi incase i require it for locating the HAB
[15:56] <pc1pcl> yes
[15:57] <newHAB> interesting! thank you guys
[15:57] <pc1pcl> the aspect of not having to point it to the balloon while chasing outweighs the range limitation, as you'll be following th e balloon so close anyway.
[15:58] <pc1pcl> and teh range is not that limited anyway as long as the balloon is high up
[15:58] <eroomde> indeed, and the range limitation is usually several hundred kilometres for a typical flight
[15:58] <eroomde> so for chasing you'll always be comfortably close
[16:01] <newHAB> so for the antenna, such as the wsm-270, i connect this to my laptop that will be using the software to decode the incoming signals, does it require altering the cable in order for it to correctly connect to the laptop
[16:01] <newHAB> i was going to get this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newsky-TV28T-v2-USB-DVB-T-RTL-SDR-Receiver-RTL2832U-R820T-Tuner-MCX-Input-/160896097557 (ebay link to product)
[16:02] <RalphW0RPK> Thanks for waking me up ... I now have the data via PAYLOAD! 73 folks
[16:03] <eroomde> newHAB, yes, and there is a decent section on the wiki explaining how to get the rtl-sdr dongle integrated with dl-fldigi (our decoding program) and getting your data uploaded to the tracker
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[16:04] <eroomde> you might wish to consider purchasing a hab-amp which amplifies signals around 434MHz whilst blocking signals at other frequencies, which improves the performance of the rtl-sdr dongle (more range, less susceptibility to inteference from your mobile phone or whatever)
[16:05] <eroomde> this article might also be informative http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/the-receiver-and-antenna.html
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[16:05] <pc1pcl> the little antenna that comes with the dongle is fine for testing payload at home, but probably not ideal to use 'for real'
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[16:06] <newHAB> so i should get rid of the antenna that comes with the dongle and replace it with an upgraded version?
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[16:07] <eroomde> for a flight, yes
[16:07] <craag> Don't get rid of it, just don't try to use it on the chase
[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> For testing iwithin a house you really don't need aerials on either the Tx or Rx, often it will be strong enough to overlaod as it is!
[16:07] <newHAB> thanks so much guys
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[16:07] <newHAB> really useful info
[16:07] <eroomde> precisely. it's not well tuned for the frequencies a hab transmits on, but that doesn't matter when everything is on the bench
[16:08] <eroomde> a bit of wet string would pick up enough energy
[16:08] <eroomde> but when it's 300km you want a properly tuned antenna
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[16:10] <eroomde> the one that comes with is sized to be about 1/4 wave long at frequencies of terrestrial tv broadcast - about 700MHz
[16:11] <pc1pcl> depending on the exact make/model, you might be able to screw off the antenna from the base and put a longer element on.
[16:12] <newHAB> i think i might purchase this WSM-270
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[16:13] <HF_ATL> also when chasing in your car a mag mounted antenna will be very beneficial as the great ground plane
[16:14] <infaddict> Hi all, brand new HAB guy here, just saying hello. Found this channel from ukhas website.
[16:15] <infaddict> Based up in NE of England and in very early stages of planning a HAB project with my teenage son.
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[16:16] <HF_ATL> hello there, you'll find this channel a great place with much useful info
[16:16] <HF_ATL> excellent people here
[16:16] <newHAB> hi infaddict!
[16:16] <infaddict> Yep a lot more members than I thought there would be!
[16:17] <infaddict> I'm a programmer by trade so looking forward to the tech side of the project. But know 0 about radio so lots to learn there
[16:18] <HF_ATL> here you have people with all the skills
[16:18] <pc1pcl> You'll be able to pick up a lot just by soaking up information here, but feel free to ask if you have anythign specific
[16:18] <craag> Radio is the most exciting and challenging bit :)
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[16:19] <HF_ATL> especially "dx" :)
[16:20] <infaddict> Thanks for the warm welcome ;-) I'm slowly reading the beginners guide on the ukhas site. I guess a radio receiver is pretty vital and some of the models I saw quoted were quite expensive (£400-£500).
[16:21] <infaddict> But did also see the fun cube pro dongle and wondering if anybody had any success with that as it is more reasonably priced
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[16:21] <pc1pcl> those expensive ones are nice to use if you have them anyway, but 'rtl dongle' is much more afforadble
[16:22] <infaddict> yer exactly, if I was going to get into radio as a hobby I would probably get an expensive one. but purely for HAB I was hoping for a lower priced model if possible.
[16:22] <pc1pcl> funcube dongle is actually a more high end dongle and very usable.
[16:22] <HF_ATL> I have both and can tell you that there is a day/night difference
[16:22] <HF_ATL> but don't worry as there is many people receiving your 70cm band signals and uploading to the web
[16:23] <HF_ATL> do many field test
[16:23] <infaddict> yep thats a great thing. i originally thought it was me in a car tracking this alone, but the community seem to help too!
[16:24] <pc1pcl> a dongle is certainly enough to prove to yourself your construction is actually transmitting and your program to create the signal is working and generating a readable signal.
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[16:24] <infaddict> when you say theres a night and day difference, did you mean between a higher end dongle (like funcube pro) and the expensive receivers?
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[16:24] <infaddict> as I've also seen very cheap dongles (£10), but the fun cub pro is nearer (£125) and seems much higher spec. but new to all this hence me asking ;-)
[16:25] <HF_ATL> i dont have the funcube pro, just the Newsky TV28T RTL-SDR and a IC-7000 as well as a scanner
[16:25] <eroomde> the funcube dongle is an excellent purchase compared to the cheap sdr receivers
[16:25] <pc1pcl> I'd say start wth the cheap dongle to get an idea of how things work.
[16:25] <HF_ATL> so cant speak for the funcube
[16:25] <eroomde> you will find it very satisfactory for hab performance
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[16:26] <infaddict> ok thanks guys, makes sense
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[16:26] <infaddict> i've been toying with joining this chat for weeks and glad I did
[16:26] <eroomde> save the big ham radio rig for if/when you get into the ham side of things
[16:27] <HF_ATL> yes I agree, its not a must have
[16:27] <eroomde> but for balloon receiving (and experimenting with other things like amateur satellites) the FCD+ has you covered
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[16:27] <infaddict> i guess the aerial/antenna is also v important. been reading the guides on yagi's.
[16:28] <pc1pcl> we just had a short dialogue on that subject ;)
[16:28] <eroomde> this irc channel is logged by the zeusbot robot and the logs are available on habhub.org
[16:28] <pc1pcl> might be worth reading back on the channel logs.
[16:28] <eroomde> i suggest grabbing them and reading from when 'newHAB' started talking, about 1hr a go
[16:28] <infaddict> ooh ok, let me see how to do that!
[16:29] <HF_ATL> yes it is. Of course that sensitivity and selectivity of the radio plays an important role but concentrate yourself in a good tuned antenna
[16:29] <pc1pcl> todays 'running' log is slightly harder to read, but the logs of days past get formatted and are easier to read.
[16:29] <eroomde> 'IRC logs' on habhub.org
[16:29] <eroomde> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[16:29] <infaddict> great going there now
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[16:30] <eroomde> 15:49
[16:31] <pc1pcl> the log is just text and /should/ just open in the browser. if it gets downloaded instead, there's nothing magical to the file, just open in an editor/text viewer.
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[16:32] <infaddict> got it and reading it!
[16:32] <infaddict> thanks
[16:34] <newHAB> infaddict im also going to use a GSM module to send the corrdinates from a gps module incase of tracking failure, im hoping it will work as an insurance policy and it sends me the landing location
[16:35] <infaddict> thanks newHAB, I was reading that very thing today on the wiki. I think I have a few old school Nokias lying around which might be perfect for that!
[16:35] <infaddict> I really dont understand anybody who would just buy a kit for this sort of thing (saw one company on Sky News today). Surely all the fun is in learning and then building it!
[16:35] <craag> gsm trackers have about a 50/50 success rate in hab flights.
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[16:36] <craag> They're good as backup incase your radio tracker fails though (50% is better than 0% at that point :) )
[16:36] <newHAB> mine is part of a uni project so anyadditional coding / implimentation of devices is a bonus in terms of grading
[16:36] <eroomde> infaddict, neither do we understand that
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[16:37] <eroomde> people get a lot more out of a DIY job
[16:37] <infaddict> +1 indeed
[16:38] <eroomde> though people like school teachers often want to do something with their class but just don't have the time when deciding the next term's schedule to tackle a big learning curve, so there are some off-the-shelf flight computers for that kind of thing
[16:38] <infaddict> thats true, esp for younger kids
[16:38] <infaddict> righto, just read the last hour of chat and have some great links to read up on. To summarise: Mini Mag antenna is good for car. Yagi for directional finding.
[16:39] <craag> yep
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[16:40] <newHAB> haha im glad we are in the same boat infaddict!
[16:40] <newHAB> im currenly coding, im including sensors into mine for analysing the current weather conditions of the HABS surroundings
[16:40] <pc1pcl> offtheshelf stuff can be handy as a reference design/ proof of concept etc.
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[16:41] <infaddict> I notice newHAB mentioned a low cost SDR and another member suggested adding a booster. Clearly cheaper than the fun cube pro but what are pros/cons? I read that the fun cube pro's sensitivity was good and possibly in par with pro receivers
[16:41] <eroomde> correct
[16:41] <pc1pcl> infaddict: cost is the pro
[16:41] <infaddict> yep
[16:42] <infaddict> is cheap SDR + booster gonna get me in same ballpark as fun cube pro? or still some way off
[16:42] <eroomde> yes, for specifically hab frequencies
[16:43] <eroomde> you might have more fun though just roading around the spectrum with the funcube
[16:43] <eroomde> roaming*
[16:43] <infaddict> ah right understand
[16:43] <eroomde> e.g. trying to track an amateur satellite
[16:43] <pc1pcl> the price/quality of the cheap SDR dongle is hard to beat.
[16:44] <infaddict> yer its v tempting at less than a tenner! but pointless if it aint up to the job of a full flight. but seems it might be (with a booster).
[16:45] <pc1pcl> the funcube or 'real HAM radio' have more possibilities but you pay for it. And the tenner isn't wastedas there's enough that the cheap thing can do to make it worth the 'investment'
[16:45] <infaddict> interesting dilemma
[16:46] <infaddict> suppose it depends how much a booster costs. any common models i could search for
[16:46] <eroomde> hab-amp from hab supplies
[16:46] <infaddict> cheers
[16:46] <pc1pcl> I'd say just get the cheap SDR stick, and start using it so you'll get some experience with the radio side of things, and get to know the limitations.
[16:46] <HF_ATL> Ask yourself if you would like to do more than a hab flight and get into the radio world bit by bit. Then you got your answer
[16:46] <eroomde> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=83
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[16:50] <infaddict> thanks a lot
[16:51] <eroomde> Upu set up a shop (that's his shop) that sells lots of common hab widgets
[16:52] <eroomde> e.g. he buys the ublox gps receivers on a reel of 500 so we can buy them in singles but at a decentish price
[16:52] <infaddict> Cool, lots of stuff on there i dont understand haha. but in a few weeks/months hopefully i will.
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[16:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> infaddict: a plus with the dongles is that's cheap to have many. then more people can join in listening/tracking.
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[17:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[18:00] <Reb-SM0ULC> evevning
[18:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Tjena
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[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[19:29] <Upu> nice one jcoxon :)
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[19:33] <jcoxon> Upu hehe i honestly didn't think he would reply
[19:33] <jcoxon> we shall see what it contains
[19:33] <jcoxon> but i'm excited
[19:33] <Upu> yup :)
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[19:41] <mattbrejza> :/
[19:46] <eroomde> must have upset someone
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[20:00] <whoiscaptcha> weather balloons on sky news
[20:01] <whoiscaptcha> 'sent into space' is the uk's leading company for weather balloons apparently
[20:01] <whoiscaptcha> lol'd at that with their crappy gps tracker
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[20:13] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PS-31 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=PS-31
[20:15] <SA6BSS> oh, will be interesting
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[20:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-3 after 0321 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-3
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[20:55] <paul_HAB-P1> Finally, after weeks of playing, I have sdr happily streaming across the network. Turns out a dodgy RTL dongle can be a complete pain in the ass...
[20:56] <eroomde> glad you got it working and survived a complicated debug
[20:57] <eroomde> trying to pin down a bug from something among electromagnetic radiation to device drivers to socket libraries to audio apis is no fun
[20:57] <paul_HAB-P1> I wish I was that smart - it was bloody mindless and trying lots and lots of apps / distros / hardware platforms lol
[20:57] <paul_HAB-P1> mindidness...
[20:57] <eroomde> i think that's what 90% of debugging is!
[20:58] <paul_HAB-P1> Lmao!
[20:58] <eroomde> freudian
[20:58] <paul_HAB-P1> Learnt so much more Linux in the process :)
[20:59] <paul_HAB-P1> and of course, I now have a whole room full of cable / adapters / polystyrene / Aerials / Straws / LiPo batteries :)
[21:00] <Upu> sounds like heaven
[21:00] <paul_HAB-P1> Oh yeah :D
[21:01] <paul_HAB-P1> I'm even stripping the NERF sentry to steer a Yagi lol
[21:01] <Upu> lol
[21:01] <Upu> tbh you probably won't need that
[21:01] <Upu> works for a fixed base with a rotator
[21:01] <Upu> but in the car you can get away with a whip
[21:04] <paul_HAB-P1> Nerf sentry: http://gravitywell.no-ip.org/web/nerf_sentry.jpg
[21:04] <paul_HAB-P1> well - I'd like to do something higher speed...
[21:04] <paul_HAB-P1> so want to start thinking about steering aerials
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[21:06] <eroomde> have yagi and gun together
[21:06] <eroomde> that way if someone blocks the signal path you can remove them
[21:06] <paul_HAB-P1> Shoot down your own Loon?
[21:06] <Upu> lol
[21:08] <Upu> so are you making a radio tracker ?
[21:09] <paul_HAB-P1> I'd like to combine it with the standard tracking solutions + local GPS to autoaim a high speed downlink receiver of some variety
[21:10] <paul_HAB-P1> if that makes sense
[21:10] <Upu> yup
[21:10] <paul_HAB-P1> Maybe get some fast video down
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[21:17] <eroomde> this sounds a good plan
[21:17] <eroomde> assuming you live somewhere where you can transmit suitable powers/bandwidths while airborne
[21:18] <paul_HAB-P1> well, UK and close to LHR - but I don't think that's an end to it..
[21:18] <eroomde> oh, getting video down in the uk might be a non-starter
[21:20] <paul_HAB-P1> how come?
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> It requires a lot of power*spectrum
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> *antenna gain
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> Which is - probably - not legal in the UK for reasonable assumptions
[21:23] <paul_HAB-P1> EIRP limit
[21:23] <paul_HAB-P1> ?
[21:23] <eroomde> yep
[21:23] <eroomde> and bandwidth limit
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> I.E. yes, you might be able to do it with a 2.4m dish on the bottom say
[21:23] <paul_HAB-P1> A part of me wants to say - exactly the shape of the parachute?
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> I was sort-of-thinking of that for another project
[21:24] <paul_HAB-P1> its a cool idea...
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> but - having a balloon with video only recievable on a 2km patch on the ground while technically possible, is awkward operationally
[21:25] <paul_HAB-P1> so you dont make it a parabola
[21:25] <paul_HAB-P1> you make it a bit wider
[21:25] <paul_HAB-P1> parabola probably not right word
[21:26] <Upu> can you use normal 2.4Ghz wireless on a balloon ?
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> Footprint is directly trelated to required gain
[21:26] <SpeedEvil> Upu: with enough gain - sure
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> oh
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> Actually I'mnot sure I know about ISM power limits airborne inthe UK
[21:27] <Upu> because that mexican team were using a quad copter fpv 2.4Ghz system
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> aren't they the same as ground-based?
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[21:27] <paul_HAB-P1> http://www.fpvuk.org/what-is-fpv/
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> Upu: yeah - half a megawatt is legal in mexico
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> paul_HAB-P1: because it's sold doesn't mean it's legal
[21:27] <Upu> http://www.rfsupplier.com/24ghz-24dbi-wifi-square-grid-parabolic-antenna-outdoor-antenna-p-1165.html
[21:28] <Upu> they were using one of those
[21:28] <Upu> on the ground
[21:28] <paul_HAB-P1> Got it speedevil...
[21:36] <SA6BSS> some info on ps-31 is up http://picospace.net/
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[22:54] <jededu> FPV is 10mw at 2.4Ghz and 25mw at 5.8Ghz in the uk
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