highaltitude.log.20150117

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[01:32] <KF5WYX> Good late evening / early morning
[01:34] <lz1dev> good day :)
[01:35] <KF5WYX> :-D
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[01:56] <KF5WYX> Updating an old XP system to the most recent patches. I figure it won't be long before you can't even do that after MS decomissioned it. Dang I'd forgotten how slow this thing is.
[02:02] <lz1dev> you can make it think it's embeded xp by tweaking some reg options and get more updates
[02:03] <KF5WYX> I did something similar moons ago - went through all of the installed services and turned off those that aren't needed, tweaked some registry. It's just an old machine (it's only used to drive a cnc mill and program pics because it has both serial RS232 and parallel ports)
[02:03] <KF5WYX> Once it's updated, I'll image it again and should never need to touch it again.
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[04:31] <paul_HAB-P> Falcon 9 - sooo close: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30860258
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[05:36] <Ian_> From the pictures, I get the idea that the angle at the point of impact was rather away from the vertical, so lots of late maneouvering to hit the target?
[05:37] <SpeedEvil> Ian_: basically
[05:38] <Ian_> Boing!
[05:38] <SpeedEvil> Can't wait for ~29th
[05:38] <SpeedEvil> It puts many movie SFX to shame.
[05:38] <SpeedEvil> :)
[05:39] <Ian_> That's the next launch. What's the mission (I should ask Mr Google really)?
[05:40] <Darkside> so what happened to PS-30?
[05:40] <Darkside> why idnt it on the map anymore?
[05:41] <Ian_> It seems that winter might have eventually arrived here for a week or two. Just when the bees have abnormally huge colonies because of the mild weather and of course they are gobbling their stores like there is no tomorrow.
[05:42] <Ian_> PS-30, I believe that it fell from the sky east of Madagascar. check yesterday's log for "Madagascar" or PS-30.
[05:43] <Darkside> would have been nice to leave it on the map for a bit..
[05:43] <Ian_> I believe that it was in communication as it descended. E&OE of course.
[05:44] <Ian_> How's your summer shaping up fellas?
[05:48] <Ian_> Darkside, 15th January log - [20:01] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-30 was near 03Madagascar 10(-23.45,43.301) at 030 meters about 032 hours ago
[05:50] <Ian_> Doesn't time fly! PS-30, close but no cigar. It would have been good to have a full Southern Hemesphere traversal, other than by big budget Google Loon
[05:52] <Ian_> It took Leo 64 to get it just right, so another floater in the PS-30 series might just be a jet stream right-of-passage thing.
[06:15] <lz1dev> !track PS-30
[06:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=PS-30
[06:15] <lz1dev> Darkside: ^
[06:15] <Darkside> cheers
[06:16] <Darkside> aww
[06:49] <SpeedEvil> Ian_: Trienna/Goresat/DSCOVR
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[09:18] <Benny_boy> morning all
[09:19] <Benny_boy> for anyone running trackers, please note that the payload mg169706 is cancelled today due to winds. The landing zone to too clos to Heathrow Airport for comfort.
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[09:20] <Benny_boy> should I put a notice anywhere else?
[09:22] <Upu> did you announce on the mailing list ?
[09:22] <Upu> best place is there
[09:22] <Upu> also good call
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[09:43] <jededu> Ping upu
[09:48] <li4m0> Today's flight cancelled I see
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[09:52] <jededu> Yep, have had a chance to track anything yet Li4mo
[09:54] <li4m0> No not yet
[09:56] <jededu> I have somthing ready just waiting :)
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[09:56] <li4m0> I've ordered one of the new pits boards and a few arduino uno's and minis so I can make back up trackers so will look forward to that
[09:57] <li4m0> Are most of your flights notam free, ie under 2m
[10:00] <jededu> Yes launched from the garden but I am going for some larger flights this year
[10:01] <jededu> This is the new pico PV board going off to Hackvana today http://gerblook.org/pcb/ZziJ4EUw9MMQgpmjd5HgH4
[10:01] <li4m0> Cool. I saw your last one was from wales
[10:01] <li4m0> Was that a larger one
[10:02] <jededu> Yes thats a good launch site, no pico
[10:03] <li4m0> Yeh looking forward to eventually designing my own board
[10:04] <jededu> Lots of good folk on here to help you out :)
[10:04] <li4m0> Yeh it's good to be able to look through the old logs
[10:05] <li4m0> I take it you work in education from your name, do you do school prohect launches
[10:07] <jededu> Not really its all primary schools, we did a couple but the logistics were a pain, you cant get a NOTAM around here
[10:08] <li4m0> Yeh I'm guessing your pretty much on bhx landing path
[10:08] <jededu> Underneath it :/
[10:09] <li4m0> My missus is a teacher at Ferndale in Hamstead
[10:10] <jededu> But the good thing is that my picos go north so by the time they get anywhere near the approach alt they are 2k away
[10:11] <li4m0> Yeh I was looking at Sandwell Valley maybe around the hill top golf course area to launch smaller balloon
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[10:14] <jededu> I did launch a stripped down PI on a 100g pawan that made 14k alt
[10:14] <jededu> All under 2m
[10:14] <li4m0> Nice
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[10:16] <SA6BSS> jededu: what radio are you using on that pcb
[10:17] <jededu> SA6BSS MTX2
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[10:17] <SA6BSS> ok
[10:17] <jededu> Reliable :)
[10:18] <SA6BSS> while your on, how do you seal of your foils?
[10:20] <SA6BSS> do you zip tie or just fold the neck ainf teip it
[10:20] <jededu> Just Cellotape tape I found one that stays sticky at low temp , well as cold as the freezer gets
[10:20] <SA6BSS> so you just fold the neck and Cellotape it then ?
[10:21] <SA6BSS> ok, try that next timne
[10:21] <jededu> Tape over the filler hole, tie the cord to the neck tie then fold that up and tape it to the back , works for me
[10:23] <ipdove> REGISTER A673542 irc@ipdove.com
[10:23] <lz1dev> :DDDD
[10:24] <ipdove> apparently not
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[10:26] <li4m0> Is the mtx2 pretty much the same as the ntx2b but smaller or are there any other benefits
[10:27] <jededu> I can pull the pins P1 & P0 to change the freq in the software
[10:29] <li4m0> Ok like the ntx2b-fa then
[10:30] <jededu> I have also programmed it via seril through the EN pin
[10:30] <jededu> serial
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[10:32] <li4m0> Ok
[10:32] <jededu> I think that the ntx2b-fa is pre programmed upu knows more about this, on the MTX2 I can change freq by setting pins P0 P1
[10:34] <li4m0> Thanks. Where do you get your foils from
[10:34] <jededu> Pg 6 at the top http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/mtx2.pdf
[10:34] <li4m0> Ta
[10:35] <jededu> Steve at http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
[10:36] <li4m0> Ah thanks. Good selection
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[11:15] <Aero_> hi
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[11:18] <Aero_> hi Rebell
[11:18] <Rebell> hi
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[11:19] <Aero_> is there someone who could help is with the approval of a payload?
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[11:25] <mfa298> Aero_: if it's a payload doc it doesn't need approving. if it's a flight doc the best bet is to paste the flightdoc is (long string of numbers and letters) into #habhub
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[11:27] <Aero_> @Rebell: please paste parsing string
[11:28] <Rebell> d2eabb89a5af1a3b46f69d6a750c67ae
[11:30] <mfa298> that's the right id but the place to paste it is in #habhub - the bot there will do some checks and if all is good someone can approve it
[11:31] <mfa298> however the bot's final respone currently is
[11:31] <mfa298> 11:29 < SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: 1 untested (0246)
[11:31] <mfa298> you should really test the payload works, can be received and is parsed correctly
[11:31] <mfa298> it's *much* easier to fix before the flight doc is approved
[11:32] <Rebell> ok, Thanks.
[11:33] <Aero_> Thanks, now we understand (Rebell is my companion). We will test first.
[11:35] <mfa298> you only need the payload doc for the balloon to appear on the map, the flight doc adds the flight to the iCal feed, dl-fldigi and makes getting the data out afterwards easier
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[11:38] <Aero_> One thing I don't understand: How does the trackers know that they *must* listen to our balloon?
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[11:44] <bertrik> each balloon launch is (ideally) announced on the ukhas mailing list by the person/team sending it up
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[11:46] <mfa298> the trackers are controlled by people who read the mailing list, look at the iCal feed etc.
[11:47] <mfa298> so the more information (frequency, settings) you give the more chance of getting people tracking.
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[11:48] <Aero_> Thanks
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[12:25] <storm_home> Top of the morning to you all :)
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ping Babs
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> did you get those files the otherday ?
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[12:35] <Reb-SM0ULC> any launches on the way?
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The only one listed for today has cancelled due to landing at Heathrow ...
[12:42] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03F6IPO-11 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=F6IPO-11
[12:44] <Reb-SM0ULC> ah
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[14:18] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WD9HFT-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=WD9HFT-11
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[14:38] <storm_home> that is going to be a days wiring work ;) http://pasteboard.co/qvhPKAy.jpg
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[15:42] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03GKCPWS1 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=GKCPWS1
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[16:13] <Rebell> I have a question. How do i test a payload? Is it just a matter of turning the tracker on, or does something else need to be done?
[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You need to create a payload document on Habitat, and then yes Rx the telemetry via dl-fldigi and feed the data back to Habitat
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> On Habitiat you can also look at the Logtail to make sure your decoding without errors etc.
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[16:18] <Rebell> ok thanks
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[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> When your ready to actusally fly then create the Flight Doc to register and store the data
[16:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-15 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-15
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[16:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KA7NSR-13 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KA7NSR-13
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[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[18:30] <storm_home> hi
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[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:27] <x-f_> Falcon 9 "hard landing" video - https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/556131313905070081
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[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> thanks x-f
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[19:41] <SpeedEvil> Hopefully softer in a couple of weeks :)
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[20:05] <Laurenceb_> I like how they edited out the explosion
[20:05] <Laurenceb_> PR guy behind the scenes
[20:08] <SpeedEvil> err - what?
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[20:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KM4DDY-13 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KM4DDY-13
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[20:56] <brian> hello!!
[20:56] Nick change: brian -> Guest59951
[20:57] <Guest59951> shane?
[20:58] <Shane_> Guest?
[20:58] <Guest59951> it me brian
[20:58] <Guest59951> idk, it changed me to guest?
[20:58] <Shane_> K...I wasn't looking....you showed up at first as brian,,,now guest.
[20:59] <Shane_> over 114K ft....good balloon today!
[20:59] <Guest59951> so...whats ur prediction?
[20:59] <Guest59951> yep
[20:59] <Shane_> 120!
[20:59] <Guest59951> its busted
[20:59] <Shane_> oops...popped
[21:00] <Guest59951> ill be right back
[21:00] <Shane_> The TN folks should be launching right now.
[21:03] <Guest59951> im back......looks like bill got it with 115,456
[21:07] <Guest59951> im looking for them, dont see them yet
[21:07] <Guest59951> i think it said they would have a aprs tracker on it
[21:09] <fsphil> the nick "brian" must have been registered by someone else already
[21:09] <fsphil> you can set another one by typing: /nick <new nickname here>
[21:10] <Shane_> Did ya see what fsphil said? Or ya can use ya call sign....I didn't see where they were doing aprs, just that 433 freq.
[21:10] <Guest59951> ok, thanks
[21:11] <fsphil> yea your callsign should be pretty unique
[21:11] Nick change: Guest59951 -> kj4tdm
[21:11] <kj4tdm> kool!
[21:11] <fsphil> well unless you're daveake
[21:11] <kj4tdm> shane that email u sent me it had an aprs call on it.
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[21:13] <kj4tdm> shane i see something on 433.94762
[21:14] <fsphil> what's up?
[21:14] <Shane_> I only see WA4ADG-1 on the email....
[21:15] <kj4tdm> yea thats it
[21:15] <fsphil> ah, the taorem launch
[21:15] <Shane_> Hey fsphil, we are currently copying the Huntsville, AL ozonesonde balloon which is on the way down now and trying to copy some student balloon...yeah TAOREM thing!
[21:16] <Shane_> I'm not hearing a peep on 433.
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[21:16] <kj4tdm> i dont hang around long enough to check it out.
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[21:16] <Shane_> You don't want me to beat you again this week!
[21:17] <kj4tdm> i got this!!
[21:18] <kj4tdm> i checked out there twitter, it aint right!
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[21:19] <kj4tdm> im loosing it
[21:20] <Shane_> Their launch site is about 50 miles farther than the o'sonde is away right now.....I'm skeptical that we will be able to hear it.
[21:26] <kj4tdm> well u beat me
[21:28] <Shane_> Bill snuck in there and beat us both!
[21:28] <kj4tdm> wow, he cheated!
[21:28] <kj4tdm> what i use do decode there payload?
[21:29] <Shane_> Not sure, I'm hoping FLDIGI...if we even hear it
[21:30] <kj4tdm> i see it
[21:32] <Shane_> really???? on the waterfall?
[21:33] <kj4tdm> yea, i see something
[21:34] <kj4tdm> there flight is not in the flight drop down menue thing
[21:34] <Shane_> right...I noticed that.
[21:35] <kj4tdm> idk know what to set the op mode too?
[21:36] <Shane_> I picked RTTY
[21:36] <fsphil> those parameters suggest rtty
[21:36] <Shane_> and the rest of the stuff like what was in the email
[21:36] <Shane_> dunno about the shift, but if I ever hear it, probably can figure it out from there.
[21:36] <fsphil> dl-fldigi will receive and upload the data to the tracker map
[21:36] <fsphil> it's a modified version of fldigi for hab tracking
[21:37] <Shane_> OK...cool....I've never used it for any flight that wasn't already showing up.
[21:37] <kj4tdm> yea im funning that fsphil
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[21:37] <Shane_> OK...yeah...That's what I'm using...dl-fldigi
[21:40] <Shane_> I'm not hearing, seeing, smelling nothing on 433.
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[21:45] <kj4tdm> shane u still in here?
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[21:48] <David_> Hi -- we have launched WA4ADG/B, now about 500m altitude, and uploading to spacenear, but we don't show up on the map. Any suggestions? thx,73
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[21:48] <kj4tdm> how are u trying to feed the data?
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[21:50] <David_> decoding with dl-fldigi and uploading automatically
[21:51] <Ian_> 114000ft
[21:51] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 114000 ft = 34.7 km
[21:51] <Shane_> Are you showing online, under DL-CLIENT dropdown?
[21:51] <kj4tdm> do you have the the DL client, online box checked?
[21:52] <fsphil> I can see data in the logtail but it's corrupt
[21:52] <fsphil> there is a non-ascii symbol after your latitude
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[21:54] <Shane_> Phil, where do you go to see the raw data?
[21:54] <fsphil> it's a null byte, 0x00
[21:54] <fsphil> this won't show up in fldigi's decode window but it will prevent habhub from parsing the string correctly
[21:55] <fsphil> unless someone can make a quick fix in #habhub
[21:55] <fsphil> Shane_: http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[21:55] <David_> we've announced on arhab, now at 1760m. Constant volume balloon, will hopefully float/ Data are bening sent in client mode.
[21:55] <Shane_> Thanks!
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[21:57] <fsphil> it's likely there's a bug in the tracker where it's sending the null terminator of the C string
[21:57] <kj4tdm> shane if you hear it let me know, txt me.
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[21:57] Action: fsphil is assuming it's written in C here :)
[21:58] <Shane_> K...I'm probably gonna throw in the towel...got other stuff to do...then it's beer drinking time!
[21:58] <kj4tdm> yea i got stuff to do to.
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[22:00] <fsphil> beagle 2 is in this image somewhere: http://hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RDR/ESP/ORB_030900_030999/ESP_030908_1915/ESP_030908_1915_RED.browse.jpg
[22:00] <fsphil> I've not found it
[22:00] <fsphil> how did anyone spot this
[22:01] <David_> so -- thx for the diagnosis. Is there a fix we could do with the tracker software?
[22:02] <David_> Shane, thx. We should have checked this ahead of time. Are there instructions anywhere for a test?
[22:04] <fsphil> yes testing would be good :) usually just getting a string uploaded and appearing on the map is fine
[22:05] <kj4tdm> what is the shift?
[22:06] <fsphil> don't think you have a flight doc either
[22:07] <fsphil> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[22:07] <fsphil> (not that it would help now)
[22:07] <fsphil> if you fancy recompiling dl-fldigi you can probably get it to ignore null bytes
[22:08] <fsphil> if you're not using linux this is probably too much hassle
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[22:12] <edmoore> trying to look for something 3 pixels wide is one of those times when a retina screen is unhelpful
[22:13] <fsphil> a bit more than 8-bit depth would be helpful too
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[22:15] <AL0I> David, are you aloft or waiting to launch?
[22:19] <daveake> former - <David_> Hi -- we have launched WA4ADG/B, now about 500m altitude ...
[22:20] <AL0I> Thanks, I was wondering whether to monitor from Boone, NC this evening or not.
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[22:33] <David_> Hi AL0I -- we are aloft, tracking at 5093m. Thanks, Todd. Thx for your answer to my email question also.
[22:33] <AL0I> Glad to help. I take it there is no immediate solution to your problem?
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[22:40] <David_> Current position is ENE, over Clinton TN, 6950m alt at -24C, cool electronics, freq dropped to 433.97137MHz. We're still monitoring. It's worth monitoring from Boone, NC
[22:47] <AL0I> Are you going to stay on this channel? If so, I need to let a few groups know. I sent emails to the local club here in Boone, the Virginia Tech club in Blacksburg, VA, and the NC Near Space Research group in Central NC about the flight.
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[22:56] <David_> I can monitor, until 1930h when the guests arrive at the observatory. Thx Todd. The notes by Scottt85 and SushiKenBrown... has quit.... what has quit??
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[22:59] <Upu> evening
[22:59] <fsphil> those messages appear when someone leaves the channel
[22:59] <fsphil> in this case it looks like their internet connection dropped out
[23:00] <fsphil> it's just background IRC noise
[23:00] <Upu> most clients let you turn off join/parts
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[23:03] <AL0I> Also, if using HABhub is not plausible, then you might consider making manual APRS posits and have the HABhub folks pull the APRS data (if that is possible for an APRS object). I will make a posit for WA4ADG-1 in Clinto, TN to get the ball rolling. Anybody can add additional posits and the "owner" will change.
[23:04] <Upu> !aprs track WA4ADG-1
[23:04] <Upu> !aprs add WA4ADG-1
[23:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Added 03WA4ADG-1 to APRS Importer
[23:04] <David_> Ah. Understood re the quit ping.. Currently position of WA4ADG/B is N36.28903, W(-)83.0026. Elevation 9018m
[23:05] <fsphil> the habhub bit would work well without that null byte
[23:05] <KF5WYX> anyone here have administrative access to the wiki? I could do with some password assistance (email address changed)
[23:05] <Upu> not importing ?
[23:05] <fsphil> though yes if you've got good aprs coverage and are allowed to use it in the air, then it's probably a better option
[23:05] <Upu> yes KF5WYX
[23:05] <Upu> whats your username ?
[23:05] <KF5WYX> mrcraig
[23:05] <fsphil> Upu: there's a null byte 0x00 being transmitted after the latitude
[23:06] <Upu> ah ok
[23:06] <Upu> ping lz1dev
[23:06] <Upu> pm
[23:06] <KF5WYX> if it's easier, I'm happy to start over with a new registration.
[23:06] <lz1dev> Upu: pong
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[23:07] <Upu> WA4ADG-1 not importing due to a null byte 0x00 being transmitted after the latitude
[23:07] <Upu> dunno if thats something you can or want to fix
[23:07] <lz1dev> !aprs info WA4ADG-1
[23:07] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[23:07] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FWA4ADG-1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[23:08] <fsphil> and no payload doc
[23:08] <lz1dev> if there is null byte it will fail decoding
[23:08] <lz1dev> let me check the logs
[23:08] <Upu> ok
[23:08] <fsphil> it is
[23:09] <lz1dev> hmm
[23:10] <lz1dev> i don't see any packets from WA4ADG-1
[23:10] <AL0I> WA4ADG-1 is my APRS object
[23:11] <lz1dev> wait
[23:12] <lz1dev> that's the problem
[23:12] <lz1dev> my lib doesn't support objects :)
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[23:15] <lz1dev> AL0I: and you know, you could use the /A=000000 altitude extention
[23:16] <lz1dev> things will be able to parse your altitude
[23:17] <AL0I> I'm using UI-View32. Where do I enter the extension? I'm not used to doing this manually.
[23:19] <lz1dev> i don't know how ui-view32 works
[23:19] <lz1dev> but if you have /A=000000 in will be parsed as altitude
[23:19] <lz1dev> in feeet
[23:19] <David_> TAOrem-3 at 1613h, down to -49C temp, 9676m altitude, apparently starting to float (or decent, but hopefully not). Cool battery will fail... this is too cold.
[23:20] <lz1dev> in the comment part of the packet
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[23:24] <AL0I> what are the coordinates?
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03D-2 - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=D-2
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[23:37] <AL0I> David_ Also, how frequently is telemetry transmitted?
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[23:43] <AL0I> Hearing telemetry here in Boone, NC as of 2342 UTC.
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