highaltitude.log.20150116

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[01:32] <tweetBot> @thecraag: I 3D Printed a DC Adaptor for my old Canon Camera at @MakeSoton this week! https://t.co/ZmkHUXR6ch #ukhas
[01:49] <M6XIMaN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ui_0cMIOQ
[01:49] <M6XIMaN> Jesus Christ, that must be the world's most expensive multirotor
[01:49] <M6XIMaN> I love how they have a 4000mAh lipo *just* for gimbal
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[05:15] <mbales____> upu, you around?
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[05:19] <x-f_> it's 5am in the UK, he shouldn't be around for a couple of hours :)
[05:20] <mbales____> ah, right i forget about that
[05:20] <mbales____> those english and their GMT
[05:20] <arko> hey look, activity in this channel while the uk is asleep
[05:22] <x-f_> good morning, world people
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[05:23] <qyx_> unflatty world
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[06:26] <mbales____> world people indeed
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[06:48] <gurgalof_> morning
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[09:19] <Oddstr13> mfa298: those litle guys are great
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[09:20] <Oddstr13> I need to put mine up again, they have been down since I moved here ~2y ago
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[09:26] <Babs> I take it everyone has seen that the British space agency is going to give an update on Beagle II today?
[09:27] <fsphil> aye, in about 30 minutes I think
[09:27] <Babs> People from the Hi-RISE camera team on the recon orbiter are there. We should have a sweepstake on how many bits it is in when they show us a picture of it
[09:28] <fsphil> I'll be quite annoyed if it's "Hi, yes we dragged the Hi_RISE team all the way here just for giggles. We still haven't found it."
[09:28] <Babs> is there a webcast fsphil?
[09:28] <fsphil> just checking
[09:30] <fsphil> it's a news conference so there's a slim chance the bbc will cover it
[09:34] <Babs> just had a look too but couldn't see anything
[09:34] <Babs> it will be a nice moment if it was found
[09:35] <gonzo__> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11349858/Beagle-2-has-vanishing-probe-finally-been-found-LIVE.html
[09:35] <gonzo__> not sure if there are any better feeds
[09:36] <fsphil> good ifind
[09:36] <fsphil> -i
[09:36] <gonzo__> it's not an apply product!
[09:36] <gonzo__> apple
[09:38] <gonzo__> would they actually have a press conf to announce they had not found anything?!
[09:39] <Babs> great skills gonzo__
[09:40] <fsphil> was that chris lintott walking past?
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[09:41] <Babs> he annoys me
[09:41] <Babs> caroline porco took him down on stargazing live, it was brilliant
[09:41] <fsphil> I'm not a fan of any of the new the sky at night presenters
[09:42] <Babs> yes, the woman is annoying too
[09:43] <Babs> i bet they can't even play the xylophone
[09:57] <fsphil> yay audio only in the left channel
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[10:00] <Babs> get on with it, we know the history. pop the pictures up.
[10:00] <daveake> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7dogQiIMAAbora.jpg
[10:00] <fsphil> we wanna see those pixels
[10:00] <daveake> ^^ pixels
[10:01] <fsphil> oooh
[10:01] <Babs> it'll be like a ZX Spectrum drawing of Beagle II
[10:02] <fsphil> he can't pronounce the comets name either
[10:02] <daveake> :)
[10:02] <daveake> better pic https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7dpFrTCcAIMCE9.jpg
[10:03] <Babs> oooo. it did the proper opening thing.
[10:03] <fsphil> ah man
[10:03] <fsphil> it's official
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[10:04] <Babs> they should go and drive over to see it. its not as if there are any oceans in the way anymore.
[10:05] <fsphil> partially opened anyway
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[10:06] <fsphil> that white dot above it could be a piece broken off
[10:07] <daveake> Nah that's Elvis in a white suit
[10:07] <Babs> thats where he ended up
[10:07] <fsphil> li-ion battery
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[10:09] <daveake> Someone needs to take that mobile phone away from wherever it's interfering with the audio
[10:10] <daveake> woohoo stereo
[10:10] <fsphil> all on the right channel now for me
[10:10] <daveake> well right channel now
[10:10] <fsphil> either that or my left ear is now deaf
[10:10] <daveake> no you're right
[10:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yup same here gone from left of center to right of center!
[10:10] <daveake> my left speaker is dodgy so I wasn't sure
[10:11] <gonzo__> they are just trying toi make us sea sick
[10:11] <fsphil> ah, if it didn't unfold properly it wouldn't have been able to communicate. the radio antenna was under the solar panels
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[10:12] <Oddstr13> gg
[10:12] <daveake> "It's not rocket science" lol
[10:12] <Oddstr13> haha
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[10:12] <Oddstr13> but it is..!
[10:12] <fsphil> 5km from the centre of the landing zone
[10:13] <amell> shame colin isnt here to see this :(
[10:13] <daveake> that's pretty good
[10:13] <amell> i saw colins ashes take off in a rocket!
[10:13] <Babs> it didn't work but it was a beautiful piece of engineering
[10:14] <gonzo__> why do they all have the 'make a noise like an old slr' functions all turned on, on their cameras?
[10:15] <gonzo__> it's as annoyiong as seeing people using flash, because they probabloy don't know how to turn it off.
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> Why do cameras even have a "make a noise like an old SLR" function...
[10:15] <gonzo__> (rant, spit....)
[10:15] <fsphil> people like feedback
[10:15] <Oddstr13> make the thing vibrate in their hand instead ._.
[10:16] <zyp> some jurisdictions require that cameras make sounds
[10:16] <gonzo__> nope, it's really a 'look how much I spent on this camera' function
[10:16] Action: Oddstr13 connects a car horn to his camera
[10:19] <edmoore> we have a camera that makes a rocket firing noise when you click it
[10:19] <edmoore> because the shutter is plumbed into an engine trigger circuit
[10:20] <edmoore> (do I win?)
[10:20] <amell> no
[10:20] <amell> if it actually ignites the engine, then you win
[10:21] <edmoore> that would be qyuite the shutter
[10:21] <edmoore> sadly nope
[10:23] <edmoore> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30784886
[10:23] <edmoore> motherucker, it actually landed
[10:23] <amell> yep
[10:23] <edmoore> i know a lot of people who'll sleep a little easier tonight
[10:23] <amell> colin too
[10:24] <edmoore> no
[10:24] <edmoore> because he's dead
[10:24] <amell> yeah i know. I saw him take off.
[10:25] <edmoore> there was a lot of speculation about the chute system being at fault
[10:25] <amell> looks like it was just the solar panels didnt come right out.
[10:26] <amell> how far away are the rovers - i dont suppose they can drive over and take a look
[10:26] <amell> http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-images/charts/mars_landing_site_map_lakdawalla.html - quite a long way unfortunately
[10:27] <Babs> bbc has higher quality coverage, but mobile phone buzz. bbc on silent and telegraph audio works bests
[10:32] <amell> I think we learnt a lot from Beagle in any case. Now we have comms on descent, antenna at all times.
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[10:33] <fsphil> was having tea, miss anything?
[10:34] <edmoore> i think comms through edl was a thing anyway
[10:34] <edmoore> before beagle
[10:35] <edmoore> just not on beagle
[10:35] <edmoore> pretty sure MERs had it, as contemporaries of beagle
[10:35] <Babs> fsphil - it could have been Elvis, if Elvis was wearing a white suit with 70% reflectivity
[10:35] <Babs> WHICH HE DID MOST OF THE TIME
[10:35] <Babs> either Elvis or Beagle II then
[10:35] <fsphil> thank you very much
[10:35] <fsphil> for that update
[10:36] <daveake> Shame that Beagle didn't manage a little more conversation
[10:36] <fsphil> wonder if this will give a kick to a beagle sequal
[10:36] <edmoore> albedosome tonight
[10:36] <daveake> Wasn't as all shook up as we assumed
[10:37] <amell> 3 pieces, not 3 zillion pieces. Thats quite something.
[10:38] <Babs> ooo. nice daveake.
[10:38] <fsphil> it's quite a credit to the designers and operators of the camera that found it
[10:38] <Babs> Beagle, somewhat of a hound dog
[10:39] <Babs> *bows*
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :)
[10:39] <amell> impressive resolution. thats like what less than 50cm per pixel?
[10:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 30cm per pixel
[10:40] <fsphil> 10 years on and it's not covered in dust
[10:41] <fsphil> wonder if the chute would still be moving about in the wind
[10:43] <gonzo__> it is turning into a eulogy for colin pillinger
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[10:53] <fsphil> pretty convincing
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[10:58] <Vaizki> "Without full deployment, there is no way we could have communicated with it as the radio frequency antenna was under the solar panels,"
[10:59] <Vaizki> ok wtf :)
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[10:59] <Vaizki> it seemed like a good idea at the time?
[11:00] <fsphil> well it wouldn't have been under the panels if it fully deployed
[11:01] <fsphil> just had the one antenna. a low gain backup would have been handy
[11:01] <Vaizki> right but now it was an all or nothing config
[11:02] <fsphil> it's possible something else failed too, maybe the power system died. that would stop the deployment
[11:02] <fsphil> we shall never know sadly
[11:03] <Vaizki> never say never
[11:03] <mattbrejza> well...
[11:03] <fsphil> well unless the system fixes itself like those old earth orbiting amateur satellites that come back from the dead
[11:03] <mattbrejza> someone may go and take a look
[11:03] <Vaizki> yea, in the "never" timescale
[11:03] <fsphil> yes, but I said we will never know :)
[11:04] <fsphil> someone might :)
[11:04] <mattbrejza> well i interpreted 'we' slightly differently to you
[11:04] <fsphil> unless mars exploration, or human life extension, really speeds up :)
[11:04] <mattbrejza> also human mars missions could be common place by the time we're old
[11:04] <mattbrejza> seems unlikely though
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[11:04] <mattbrejza> especially just to see why this thing died
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BUZZ after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=BUZZ
[11:06] <fsphil> the temperaure extremes have probably broken many other things since landing
[11:07] <craag> How far is it from the nearest rover?
[11:10] <fsphil> curiosity is nearest
[11:11] <Vaizki> but still probably hundreds of km away?
[11:11] <daveake> They should send, if only for the barrage of comments from @SarcasticRover
[11:11] <craag> yep http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-images/charts/mars_landing_site_map_lakdawalla.html
[11:11] <fsphil> yea, my map doesn't have scale but it's huge
[11:11] <fsphil> ^ yea that one
[11:13] <fsphil> easier to drop one nearby than drive curiosity there
[11:14] <craag> I'm guessing it's about 900 miles
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[11:16] <craag> curiosity top speed: 200 meters/day
[11:16] <craag> 19.8 years :P
[11:17] <daveake> Quicker to send Bruce Willis
[11:18] <craag> Ah hang on that might be martian day :P
[11:18] <craag> top speed: 90 meters/hour
[11:18] <craag> flat out
[11:19] <gonzo__> stert up a kickstarter project to send a balloon there
[11:19] <gonzo__> (it would pay for the pizzas at the conf)
[11:19] <craag> so not accounting for energy budget per day, or obstacles: about 22 months
[11:19] <daveake> RockUpToMarsZip
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[11:36] <fsphil> maybe it's just installing updates
[11:36] <craag> Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue.
[11:37] <Oddstr13> craag: allways fun :3
[11:38] <fsphil> reminds me of windows 98, if you first booted with a usb keyboard and mouse it would prompt to install drivers, requiring you to press the Next > button ...
[11:38] <Oddstr13> hehe
[11:38] <fsphil> followed by an hour long hunt for a PS/2 keyboard or mouse
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[11:39] <Oddstr13> I shall use PS/2 with my Arduino!
[11:39] <fsphil> it's just serial isn't it?
[11:39] <Oddstr13> kinda wana try the tinybasic :P
[11:39] <Oddstr13> yea, it is
[11:40] <Oddstr13> there are libraries for it too
[11:40] <Oddstr13> I have this clicky IBM keyboard with a busted connector, thinking of opening it up and see if there is space for more electronics in there :3
[11:42] <craag> the old ibm keyboards are nice
[11:42] <Oddstr13> indeed they are
[11:42] <craag> I'd convert it to be wireless
[11:42] <craag> blow peoples minds :)
[11:43] <fsphil> whoa
[11:43] <Oddstr13> missing a few key caps on this one tho
[11:43] <fsphil> make sure it's got good encryption
[11:43] <craag> with a *decent* crypto spec ofc
[11:43] <craag> snap
[11:43] <Oddstr13> meh, let's use cw!
[11:43] <fsphil> stick a 16GB OTP on there on an SD card
[11:43] <fsphil> that'll last for a while...
[11:43] <craag> heh yes
[11:44] <craag> even better
[11:44] <Oddstr13> do you guys have experience with building arm systems?
[11:44] <craag> put a lora uplink tx in it
[11:44] <craag> type commands stright to your balloon :D
[11:45] <craag> c u t d o w n [enter]
[11:45] <fsphil> press F1 to cutdown
[11:45] <edmoore> unrecognized command 'c'
[11:45] <craag> fsphil: now you're making it fancy :P
[11:45] <Oddstr13> I have been thinking about making a low power computer for a while
[11:45] <edmoore> i have an ibm model m repro
[11:45] <craag> Oddstr13: What level of arm?
[11:46] <edmoore> but actually i now have afilco majestouch keyboard which is also clicky which i much prefer
[11:46] <craag> ah application level - no
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[11:46] <Oddstr13> lower power than a RPi, not really planning on running a full blown Linux system on there
[11:46] <Oddstr13> but a Arduino is a bit too limited for what I wish to do
[11:48] <Oddstr13> I've found this thing; http://www.eluaproject.net/, which looks interesting
[11:48] <fsphil> read that as EULA for a second
[11:48] <fsphil> which is longer than I spend reading most EULAs
[11:48] <edmoore> it's a shame that a lot of the big micros don't have an mmu
[11:48] <edmoore> well, that's not really a shame actually
[11:48] <Oddstr13> I know Lua quite well from the ComputerCraft Minecraft mod
[11:49] <edmoore> but, a cortex m4 in my datalogger runs at 168MHz
[11:49] <edmoore> it has a memory interface
[11:49] <edmoore> it could exceed the specs required for tolerable openbsd performance
[11:49] <edmoore> but no mmu
[11:51] <zyp> pick an appropriate platform for what you want to do
[11:51] <zyp> if you want an mmu, you can get cortex-a5 in fairly small chips
[11:52] <Oddstr13> http://www.eluaproject.net/overview/status supported chips are listed here :P
[12:02] <Laurenceb_> did PS-30 die?
[12:08] <M6XIMaN> Oddstr13: If you're looking at a scripting engine, you might want to take a look at picoC
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[12:08] <M6XIMaN> Nowhere near as mature as Lua, but small footprint and doens't have arrays indexed from 1, for pity's sake.
[12:09] <Oddstr13> that is the best argument I've heard all day.
[12:10] <M6XIMaN> https://code.google.com/p/picoc/
[12:10] <Oddstr13> I am however quite familiar with Lua from before tho
[12:14] <Oddstr13> M6XIMaN: It's more the hardware part I'm looking for
[12:18] <Vaizki> I use elua on ESP8266 but prob you want more power and IO instead of wifi :)
[12:21] <Oddstr13> I want quite a bit of IO, yea :P but IO expansion can be done with avr chips and or shift registers
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[12:24] <Vaizki> Umm define low power?
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[12:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> Laurenceb_: balloon ruptured, fell to the ground still operational
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[12:31] <lz1dev> SA6BSS-Mike: the ground?
[12:31] <lz1dev> you mean in the sea?
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[12:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah sea that is, never zoomed in :)
[12:32] <Vaizki> Oddstr13, msybe look at mbed lpc1768
[12:33] <lz1dev> SA6BSS-Mike: but is it still operational?
[12:34] <SA6BSS-Mike> it was as i descended, not likely now
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[12:36] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: low power, as in using litle power, but also low speed
[12:39] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: the mbed dosn't seem like something I'd want, my project would be quite oposite to cloud based :P
[12:39] <Vaizki> huh? cloud based?
[12:40] <Oddstr13> web-based compiler according to the sparkfun product page
[12:41] <Vaizki> yea I guess that's what they try to push but according to elua page you linked, you could just drop in elua firwmare?
[12:41] Action: storm_work hates waiting for PCBs to be shipped from the USA... yawn
[12:41] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: hm.. I guess
[12:42] <Oddstr13> but, I'd actually like to make the board and such myself
[12:42] <Oddstr13> otherwise I could just use a Pi and call it a day
[12:43] <craag> What about the stm32 series
[12:43] <Oddstr13> the Pi is cheaper than that mbed, on sparkfun anyway
[12:43] <craag> There were a few on that elua page
[12:43] <Vaizki> well pi is pretty far from low power
[12:43] <Vaizki> I'm thinking < 100mA when I think low power
[12:43] <Oddstr13> that I am aware of
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[12:44] <DrLuke> Does anybody know how much the NTX1 weighs from the top of their head?
[12:44] <Oddstr13> goal is to be able to easily run the system off-grid, so it could run a few hours from a 4-pack of nimh AA batteries
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[12:45] <Vaizki> a few hours? from 4 AAs? ok so your power budget is a lot bigger than I thought
[12:46] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: I guess it's more <500mA when I think low power, as that's what a USB port usualy can deliver
[12:46] <craag> Could jsut about do a pi with that :P
[12:46] <Oddstr13> also, most 5V regulators are around there, before they start to get expensive
[12:47] <Vaizki> http://www.futurlec.com/ET-STM32_Stamp.shtml
[12:47] <Vaizki> that might be an option also, apparently well supported by elua
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[12:48] <Oddstr13> the dream is to run it off of a supercap tho :P
[12:48] <Vaizki> but it's very different working with elua or C on bare metal or C on linux
[12:48] <Oddstr13> I don't know much about C on linux
[12:48] <Oddstr13> I have messed some with C++ on Arduino tho
[12:50] <Vaizki> right, well they are 2 different worlds really and depends heavily on your needs
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[12:51] <Oddstr13> I guess the goal is a system I can program on the system itself, possibly also compiling code to execute from an SD card, or if that is a bit far fetched, scripting would be fine too
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[12:52] <Vaizki> if you want to program & compile on the system itself, it's RasPi or Beagle Board Black at the front of the queue
[12:52] <Oddstr13> stuff like writing an IRC client and such, drivers for internet over whatever hardware/medium
[12:53] <Oddstr13> I guess I should play some with the Rpi GPIO first then
[12:53] <Vaizki> but be aware that peripheral access under linux is very different from using them under arduino
[12:53] <Oddstr13> I have a B1 and a B+ lying here doing nothing atm :P
[12:53] <Vaizki> like gpio, pwm, i2c, spi...
[12:53] <Oddstr13> yea, no real time access
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[12:54] <Vaizki> I like the beagle bone black myself but of course the RasPi community support is huge
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[13:00] <Oddstr13> Yea, the reason I havn't used it more, is becouse I find it unstable when it comes to USB / Networking
[13:00] <Oddstr13> So I havn't really found any uses for them yet
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[13:01] <Oddstr13> I did make myself a 13*2 IDC ribbon cable for the B1 the other day tho
[13:02] <Oddstr13> I guess I should see if I can get it to speak with the nokia LCD modules I have
[13:02] <lz1dev> omg these sondes
[13:04] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: my electronic power requirements arn't really that strict I guess, it's just that switchmode regulators get kind of expensive when we're talking about currents like 2A
[13:05] <Oddstr13> relativly expensive I should say
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[13:05] <Oddstr13> the ones I've found anyway
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[13:21] <Vaizki> Oddstr13, what's the supply voltage you are coming down from?
[13:22] <Oddstr13> I have a copule of SLAs from the fire alarm system, hehe
[13:22] <Oddstr13> so I do really have quite a bit power available
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[13:23] <Oddstr13> but why waste that power if you can run for a longer time on one charge?
[13:24] <Oddstr13> but, 4* 1.2V AA is also a convinient format, easy to get hold on the batteries, and chargers for those
[13:25] <Oddstr13> almost any store has them
[13:26] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: what I really would like to do, is to create a easily extensible base system
[13:26] <Vaizki> for what
[13:26] <Vaizki> you haven't told us what the application is :)
[13:27] <Oddstr13> having fun, hacking :P
[13:28] <Oddstr13> think arduino, that runs scripts written on it, possibly even assembling asm and running it
[13:28] <Oddstr13> the Arduino does however not have the RAM or program memory to do this (there is tinyBASIC, but it is quite limited)
[13:29] <Oddstr13> like a retro computer, really
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[13:30] <Oddstr13> a relativly system that can easily run off-grid, and do simple stuff like IRC, if paired with the right peripheral for internet access
[13:31] <Oddstr13> a relativly cheap*
[13:32] <Vaizki> well I'm hacking around with the ESP82600 which has an integrated microcontroller + wifi and it runs eLua...
[13:33] <Vaizki> ESP8266 even
[13:33] <Vaizki> but it's quite a constrained environment
[13:34] <Oddstr13> If I want a `modern` system, there really isn't any question of what system to choose. It's the RPi :P
[13:35] <Vaizki> except for the running easily off the grid part
[13:35] <Oddstr13> well, yea
[13:36] <Vaizki> I hear the B+ is much better though
[13:36] <Vaizki> http://raspi.tv/2014/how-much-less-power-does-the-raspberry-pi-b-use-than-the-old-model-b
[13:38] <Oddstr13> well, I have both a B1 and a B+, so..
[13:38] <craag> You can easily get ~20 hours out of a B+ on a 12V 7AH SLA I reckon
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[13:38] Action: Oddstr13 can't help but buying gatgets like these
[13:38] <Vaizki> 7Ah is huge
[13:39] <Oddstr13> Oh, I know :P
[13:39] <craag> Aye, that's what most ex-alarm batteries are
[13:39] <Vaizki> I put a 12V 7Ah battery in my UPS
[13:39] <craag> (I use them a lot)
[13:39] <Oddstr13> 2 of them 7.something :P
[13:39] <Vaizki> 7.2Ah
[13:39] <Vaizki> that's the standard size
[13:39] <Vaizki> panasonic ones rock
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[13:40] <Vaizki> I'm sure your phone battery is not 12V :)
[13:40] <Vaizki> more like 1S LiPo
[13:40] <Oddstr13> 1520 mAh3.7V Li-Ion
[13:41] <Oddstr13> ... I can charge my phone quite a few times from those SLAs :P
[13:43] <Vaizki> your phone is basically 5.624Wh and the SLA is 86.4
[13:43] <Oddstr13> hehe
[13:43] <Vaizki> so accounting for losses etc you should get at least 12 charges
[13:44] <craag> work out the density and you'll see why phones use li+ not sla :P
[13:44] <Oddstr13> craag: oh, I know that :P
[13:45] <Vaizki> yea.. short out a 6S li+ and you'll see why my UPS is not LiPo powered :D
[13:45] Action: Oddstr13 is lusting for them 100Ah deep cycle batteries
[13:46] <craag> We've got a 120ah battery here at the office, drag it out with an inverter for onsite work.
[13:46] <Oddstr13> I wonder how long I can run my computer network from a copule of those
[13:46] <Vaizki> a car parts etc shop close to my house sells 220Ah 12V AGM deep cycle batteries...
[13:46] <Vaizki> 61kg each
[13:47] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: price? o.o
[13:47] <Vaizki> 349 eur but they've been on sale now and then
[13:47] <Vaizki> (this is Finland)
[13:48] <Vaizki> 105Ah are 199eur in the same shop
[13:49] <Oddstr13> Biltema has 100Ah ones for 1400 NOK
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[13:49] <Oddstr13> http://biltema.no/no/Bil---MC/Elektrisk/Batteri-ovrig/Vedlikeholdsfritt-batteri-80100/
[13:50] <Oddstr13> I havn't really found much of solar panels in the stores I know of however
[13:51] <Maxell> Multiplayer Windows XP! http://socket.computer/
[13:52] <Vaizki> if you want a load of solar panels, buy from germany or something
[13:52] <Oddstr13> got a link?
[13:52] <Vaizki> I've no idea who has the best prices but for example http://www.ev-power.eu/
[13:53] <Oddstr13> Well, I have problems finding them at all in norwegian stores
[13:53] <gonzo__> I priced up the battery power required to run 500W of stuff from solar PV. But it worked out that just the cost of maintaining/replacing batteries was more than the price of mains electricty
[13:54] <Vaizki> well depends on where you are :)
[13:54] <Vaizki> but even in Finland solar power can be cost effective. Storing it for night time operation probably isn't as you learned.
[13:55] <gonzo__> if the mains power went down to the point of needing long term backup, then the internet would be down also, so the need for computers in the house would probably go away. And you can read a book with a candle!
[13:55] <Vaizki> but a solar panel + microinverter can be had for 1 eur/Wp
[13:56] <Oddstr13> gonzo__: you're forgeting HAMs and digital modes! :D
[13:56] <craag> irc over aprs
[13:56] <Oddstr13> I mean, you wouldn't be able to do facebook, but you might be able to get on IRC!
[13:56] <craag> what could go wrong
[13:56] <Oddstr13> craag: oh, just about everything :P
[13:57] <gonzo__> I have 1.2kw of PV on the garage. Though it would not be nearly enough generation, I just did the sums on the possability of storeage to run offgrid with a 500w load. The cost and predicted life of the batteries was the killer.
[13:57] <Vaizki> yea you should only plan for 1/3 discharge
[13:57] <Vaizki> or less
[13:58] <gonzo__> if you get paid some rediculously high feed in tarrif, then PV is worth doing. But otherwise, you are lucky to pay for the cost of the install.
[13:58] <gonzo__> PV only makes real sense if you are forced to be off grid
[13:59] <Vaizki> well without batteries it works out
[13:59] <Vaizki> meaning you are making 220V directly from each panel using micro inverters
[13:59] <gonzo__> a friend has a small farm that is run off pv. But that is because he had all the batteries for free and the grid wanted many 10k£ to install power
[14:00] <Vaizki> and NOT storing in batteries
[14:00] <gonzo__> I gave a microinverter on my PV. No special tarrif for feed in, just offsets a bit of power that the server etc draws
[14:00] <Vaizki> yea
[14:00] <Vaizki> don't produce more than your "base load"
[14:01] <Vaizki> and don't sell back into the grid
[14:01] <gonzo__> exactly
[14:01] <Vaizki> and don't store it
[14:01] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: well, I have a ODROID-U2, all I need is a LCD that runs of car battery power, and I'm golden
[14:01] <Vaizki> that's when it pays off
[14:01] <gonzo__> (or risk your import meter flagging the reverse flow as a tamper alarm!)
[14:01] <Oddstr13> the U2's powersupply is like 5V2A I belive
[14:01] <Vaizki> Oddstr13, LM2596?
[14:02] <Vaizki> although you're better off just getting a board off Ebay
[14:02] <Vaizki> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Converter-Buck-12V-to-5V-3A-USB-with-screw-Output-Power-Adapter-FOR-IPHONE-6-/171635854485?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f64b4c95
[14:02] <Vaizki> there are a gazillion variations of that
[14:02] <Oddstr13> I actually got a copule of 5V2A switchmode regulators when I bought stuff from digikey last time
[14:03] <Oddstr13> and, yea, there's also car chargers available that handles the current
[14:03] <Oddstr13> cheap ones at that
[14:03] <Vaizki> like the one I linked ;)
[14:04] <Vaizki> oopps wasn't a buy it now
[14:04] <Vaizki> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-to-DC-Converter-Regulator-12V-to-5V-3A-15W-Car-Led-Display-Power-Supply-B-S5-/281321642422?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41801399b6
[14:04] <Vaizki> haha
[14:04] <Vaizki> $2.02
[14:05] <Oddstr13> ...
[14:06] <Oddstr13> Sold.
[14:06] <Oddstr13> xD
[14:07] <Vaizki> you might want to check the output with a scope though :)
[14:08] <Vaizki> especially when starting the car
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[14:08] <Oddstr13> well, that I don't have, soo... :P
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[14:08] <Vaizki> I don't have that trouble, my car is a hybrid so starter is not connected to normal battery
[14:08] <craag> The fake LM25*6 regulators on ebay are terrible
[14:08] <craag> nearly 1.5V of output ripple at full load
[14:09] <Vaizki> sheeesh
[14:09] <Oddstr13> well, I do like getting datasheets, so I don't really buy much from ebay
[14:11] <Oddstr13> only thing I actually have bought from ebay is the RTL-SDR :P
[14:12] <Vaizki> I thought you just bought that $2.02 DC-DC converter ;)
[14:12] <Vaizki> I buy LOADS of stuff from ebay
[14:12] <Oddstr13> almost, ebay errored when I tried "add to cart"
[14:12] <UpuWork> s/stuff/shit
[14:13] <gonzo__> poss the url has some session info in?
[14:13] <Vaizki> s!$!/!
[14:13] <Vaizki> to fix your regexp ;)
[14:14] <Oddstr13> oh, look, 5 made it to the cart afterall
[14:14] <Oddstr13> I would really like to see any form of datasheet tho :P
[14:15] <Vaizki> pay 10x price and .. :)
[14:16] <gonzo__> it would just be something copied from some other site/auction and probably no bearing on the item sold
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[14:17] <Oddstr13> well, I don't really want linear regulators, so.. :P
[14:17] <Oddstr13> but that guy does have some cheap 9v battery connectors
[14:17] <Vaizki> you can find LM2596 based stuff on ebay
[14:18] <Oddstr13> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596S-DC-DC-Constant-Current-and-Voltage-Adjustable-Module-LED-Driver-B-S5-/281360424522 same guy
[14:19] <Vaizki> yea or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-Power-LM2596-Adjustable-Step-Down-Converter-Module-LED-Voltmeter-USB-Port-/390954589376
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[14:19] <Oddstr13> that one does look nice
[14:20] <Oddstr13> I can even get Sexy Lingerie from the same guy! what a deal! xD
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[14:21] <Oddstr13> I tend to buy most of my electronics from SparkFun Electronics actually
[14:22] <Oddstr13> they are a bit expensive, but the support is excellent
[14:22] <Vaizki> the postage is too much there for me
[14:23] <Vaizki> http://stores.ebay.com/G-C-Supermarket-HK-Co-Ltd/_i.html?_nkw=LM2596
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[14:23] <Vaizki> I have bought lots from that ebay store
[14:23] <Vaizki> takes time to arrive but never got bad stuff so far
[14:24] <Oddstr13> oh, I usually calculate 1month shipping when I buy stuff from china :P
[14:25] <Oddstr13> not really much point in tracking either, as the package will be on a container ship 99% of the time
[14:25] <Vaizki> Mouser has an amazing amount of stuff in stock and they Fedex to Finland for free if the order is over 75 euros
[14:26] <Vaizki> so I pool up with a friend now and then
[14:26] <Vaizki> and have the stuff in a couple of days
[14:26] <Oddstr13> Well... FedEx still owes me a LCD screen.
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[14:27] <Oddstr13> they sendt it back to china in the middle of the summer vacation, instead of sending it on with the local mail system
[14:27] <Vaizki> I still remember how Sparkfun's worldwide free shipping for orders over $60 went down in flames :D
[14:28] <Oddstr13> that disapeared so quick that I didn't get a order with that :P
[14:28] <Vaizki> At the time of the announcement, we gave ourselves a big escape hatch stating that the program is firmly open-ended, and the rules and program may change as we evaluate the cost to us and the benefit to you, but for now, happy shipping, and happy Halloween!
[14:28] <Vaizki> Six months later we have given away $500,000 in free shipping, and, well&we cant sustain the program in its current form. At the rate of $1M a year - yeah - we arent that phat.
[14:28] <Vaizki> 500k :D
[14:29] <Vaizki> they must be like.. fffuuuuu...
[14:29] <Oddstr13> more like "uh, oh... okay."
[14:30] <Oddstr13> I have about 2720 USD in orders from there since 2011
[14:31] <Oddstr13> so, if they gave free shipping on orders over $200, I'd be mostly covered :P
[14:32] <Vaizki> check out Mouser. the selection so overwhelming it's hard to find stuff sometimes but they have everything in terms of components.
[14:32] <Oddstr13> but, yea, FedEx owes me about 100 USD for that LCD
[14:33] <Oddstr13> but I'd rather just have the LCD
[14:33] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: yea, I've considered trying them
[14:33] <Oddstr13> I did buy stuff from Digikey once a while back
[14:33] <Oddstr13> I hit their free shipping mark, so :P
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[14:40] <Laurenceb> <SA6BSS-Mike> Laurenceb_: balloon ruptured, fell to the ground still operational
[14:40] <Laurenceb> hmm
[14:40] <Laurenceb> I wonder if it got into the top of a tropical thunderstorm
[14:45] <Oddstr13> Vaizki: I set myself up quite a list on SFE last night, I guess I should check what prices Mouser can give me on some of the stuff :P
[14:47] <Oddstr13> simmilar filtering to digikey I see
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[14:55] <Oddstr13> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata-Power-Solutions/78SR-5-2-C/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsc0tfZmXiUnTTppi7D0zH5KJ887%2fuKKMM%3d I've got a copule of this one lying around, waiting to get used :P
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[15:40] <PE0SAT> .c
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[15:40] <PE0SAT> .c
[15:43] <craag> make
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[15:53] <Seekingsummits> I was curious to know if your tracking network worked for projects in the US and if not, is there a similar group in the US I could get plugged into for tracking a HAB project?
[15:56] <mattbrejza> providing you can put up with our modern approach to units the tracker works fine all over the world
[15:56] <Geoff-G8-> Not many stations use the dl-fldigi program in the States as APRS is well supported, but the tracker does import the APRS data as well
[15:56] <mattbrejza> (and even then you can change them)
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[16:04] <Seekingsummits> I was just planning on using my iPhone and my SPOT Messenger that I have for mountaineering originally. I like the idea of this methodology but am wondering if its a bit too complex for me
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[16:09] <mfa298> Seekingsummits: best bet is have a play and see what you're happy with. It's a good learning exercise and there's plenty of support here.
[16:10] <mfa298> if you (or one of the group) is a licensed HAM then aprs is a potentially a better way. You'll also need to check the licensing requirements. The license free band in europe may not be the same in the US
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[16:17] <Babs_> you need to ensure that the spot lands right way up if you are going to use that for anything other than a back up , which is not a basic task - https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/12916023654/in/set-72157636929911016 - doesn't work so well if you land upside down
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[16:24] <UpuWork> hey Seekingsummits
[16:24] <UpuWork> you were quick :)
[16:25] <UpuWork> in fact you got on here before I sent the mail recommending you come on here
[16:25] <UpuWork> impressive
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[16:40] <Seekingsummits> Ha. Wasnt familiar with this sort of format. I was thinking of trying to make some sort of gyro for my SPOT so no matter how it landed it would be pointing up. I get good results usually here in the US. When in Fiji a couple months back it only worked about 50% but my guess is for sending it up, it should work well. Kind of an expensive "wait and see" thought
[16:41] <mbales__> Thanks for decasing UPU, hope it wasnt too much bother
[16:43] <edmoore> nothing is too much bother for upu
[16:43] <edmoore> for he is ultrawoman
[16:47] <mbales__> shhhhhh youre not supposed to reveal his secret identity
[16:48] <mbales__> brb power outage last night is causing me server issues
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> Power outrage more like.
[16:49] <UpuWork> lol
[16:50] <UpuWork> yeah Seekingsummits thats alot of kit you're launching
[16:50] <edmoore> heh
[16:50] <edmoore> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/16/sun-journalists-acquitted-corruption-john-edwards-troup
[16:50] <UpuWork> I'd be using everything I have
[16:50] <edmoore> this was the guy 9troup) that badgered me loads after teddies in space
[16:50] <edmoore> about doing something from the sun
[16:50] <Babs_> Upu = Mr Miyagi.
[16:51] <edmoore> which of course i completely didn't as i have principles
[16:51] <edmoore> so asked rob harrison if he was interested, he was, and the rest was history
[16:51] <edmoore> yourshire dad baffles nasa
[16:51] <edmoore> they simply can't understand how anyone can put a cmaera on a balloon
[16:51] <UpuWork> lol
[16:51] <UpuWork> BUT SPACE ED
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[16:53] <edmoore> 'but it's for help for heroes, surely no one can object to that?' says sun journalist
[16:53] <edmoore> who doesn't realise how many reserves of objection i can have to things
[16:53] <edmoore> especially things involving his employer
[17:00] <Oddstr13> I need a smack, so that I don't end up buying 100 shift registers from mouser just cause quantity discounts ._.
[17:01] <Oddstr13> on the other hand, that /would/ give me 800 outputs from 3 pins...
[17:01] <edmoore> you could make a very large pseudorandom number generator
[17:01] <edmoore> just think of the fun you could have
[17:01] <Oddstr13> shift out registers :P
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[17:02] <Oddstr13> meh, 10 shall be enough.
[17:02] <Oddstr13> almost doubles the price per unit tho :P
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[17:03] <SpeedEvil> https://vine.co/u/1167773680030359552
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> Holy fuck that is made of awesome.
[17:07] <Laurenceb> wow
[17:07] <Laurenceb> didnt realise there was so much pressure in there
[17:07] <Laurenceb> but where are the grid fins?
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> up top
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> very top of the stage
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> Or in other stage terms 'Exit stage left - at speed'
[17:09] <Laurenceb> yeah I guess even if its tens of psi inside its going to fly off pressy violently
[17:10] <Oddstr13> SpeedEvil: looks like me with manual control in KSP :P
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[17:11] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:11] <Oddstr13> tell them to install MechJeb! :D
[17:11] <Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36326.0;attach=631548.mp4
[17:12] <edmoore> i wish KSP jokes could be banned from rocketry discussions
[17:12] <edmoore> along with the pun, in the context of getting funding, 'well, looks like it's all taking off for you! ha!'
[17:14] <Laurenceb> its like a coke can with the bottom sheared off
[17:14] <edmoore> pretty much
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[17:15] <Oddstr13> edmoore: aww, no harm intended.. :/
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I need to complain to coke
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> that never happened forme
[17:20] <edmoore> Oddstr13, it's ok :)
[17:22] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE
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[17:44] <mbales__> man thats impressive
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[17:44] <DL7AD> evening
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[17:45] <mbales__> morning
[17:47] <mattbrejza> afternoon
[17:47] <fsphil> http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/whereisnh/overview/nhov20150101_0378.jpg - looks so close!
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> woof
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[17:48] <mbales__> less than 2 AU to go
[17:48] <mbales__> and only 8 hour round trip time for radio
[17:48] <mbales__> nearly 9
[17:49] <SpeedEvil> better than hubble pretty soon too
[17:49] <fsphil> 4.5 light hours away
[17:49] <mattbrejza> and will take a year to download all the data
[17:49] <mbales__> jupiter seems so close comparatively
[17:49] <fsphil> Dawn should get hubble-level quality images of Ceres within a few weeks
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> The pictures of the previous orbited body by dawn are awesome
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> I should remember the name
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> Vesta
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> ?
[17:56] <fsphil> yea
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[18:42] <storm_home> hi guys, just wanted to share a teaser-image of the payload I am working on :D http://pbrd.co/1CgyTSv
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[18:47] <Babs_> is that a geiger counter?
[18:47] <storm_home> the board on top is a radiation detector, yes
[18:49] <Babs_> cool. How does it signal an output? Through a varying voltage or just a single square wave?
[18:50] <storm_home> TTL square wave, the pulse width slightly correlates with energy, it digitise with a 2us accuracy
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[18:51] <storm_home_> grr something is wonky with my connection today, let me look into that, will be back tomorrow
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[19:05] <Upu> when storm comes back someone tell him the Navspark is flakey at alt
[19:05] <storm_home_> still here ;) just trying some settings
[19:06] <storm_home_> I read that they had a problem <19km, but they pushed an update which should fix that
[19:06] <storm_home_> do you have any recent experience?
[19:06] <storm_home_> aah >19km
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[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> I think it has been discussed already
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> so congrats to the UK to landing on Mars 11 years ago
[19:09] <storm_home_> Upu?
[19:10] <Upu> hey storm_home_
[19:10] <Upu> yes ask about
[19:10] <Upu> someone flew one and it crapped out around that
[19:11] <storm_home_> hmm ok, I wonder if I can test that in the lab, thanks for the warning!
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[19:29] <Laurenceb> has anyone here used the si446x ?
[19:29] <Laurenceb> I've been trying to write a driver for stm32, without any luck
[19:29] <Laurenceb> its just too buggy
[19:31] <Laurenceb> atm its just working as an spi echo device
[19:31] <Laurenceb> it copied back the last command I sent to it
[19:31] <Laurenceb> *copies
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[19:50] <ak4rp> Laurenceb: I did. what is buggy, the STM32 or the Si446x ? :)
[19:50] <Laurenceb> probably the Si446x
[19:51] <Laurenceb> have you used the part info command?
[19:51] <Laurenceb> thats what Im using to try to test it
[19:51] <mbales__> storm_home, where did you find that radiation detector?
[19:51] <Laurenceb> its just echoing the last command i sent to it
[19:52] <ak4rp> i have programmed is successfully
[19:53] <ak4rp> afaik it should not echo anything, it just sends CTS bytes it it feels happy
[19:53] <ak4rp> do you use the SPI periphery or bit banging?
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[19:53] <Laurenceb> SPI
[19:54] <Laurenceb> for the part info command, do you need to do the CTS wait thingy?
[19:54] <Laurenceb> I'm using GPIO1 as the CTS pin, so I monitor the pin
[19:54] <ak4rp> I think you should always do the CTS wait thingy
[19:55] <Laurenceb> FIFO doesnt use it
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[19:55] <ak4rp> maybe not the fast access registers
[19:56] <Laurenceb> hmm
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[19:56] <Laurenceb> if i slow down the spi to <<1mhz i get 0xfffffffff
[19:56] <ak4rp> how do you force the SPI to behave as a half-duplex port?
[19:56] <Laurenceb> just constant logic 1
[19:56] <Laurenceb> on stm32?
[19:56] <Laurenceb> I dont
[19:56] <Laurenceb> just sent 0x00 dummy bytes
[19:56] <ak4rp> OK
[19:57] <Laurenceb> the weird thing is, CTS line isnt doing a lot
[19:58] <ak4rp> did you perform the boot-up ritual?
[19:58] <Laurenceb> whats that?
[19:58] <Laurenceb> my code is here
[19:58] <Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/tree/master/Silabs
[19:58] <Laurenceb> line 185
[20:00] <ak4rp> that should be fine
[20:01] <ak4rp> the only pitfall I entered were SPI overruns
[20:01] <ak4rp> i.e., I was overwriting bytes that were being transmitted instead of waiting for the SPI TX buffer to become empty.
[20:01] <ak4rp> but that only corrupted multi-byte commands, obviously
[20:02] <ak4rp> I'm checking your SPI initialization
[20:05] <ak4rp> are you using hardware-generated NSS?
[20:08] <Laurenceb> no
[20:08] <Laurenceb> I was
[20:08] <Laurenceb> it works intermittently now
[20:08] <Laurenceb> well
[20:08] <Laurenceb> I got it to work once today
[20:08] <Laurenceb> it wasnt repeatable
[20:09] <ak4rp> After line 204, you should (for some strange reason) wait until NIRQ gets asserted
[20:10] <ak4rp> I'm not sure you do that
[20:10] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:10] <Laurenceb> I've commented all that out anyway
[20:10] <Laurenceb> as it should be running on RC osc anyway
[20:10] <Laurenceb> so i just try part number test
[20:11] <ak4rp> So after some trial-and-error, I switched to NSS generation via GPIO
[20:12] <Laurenceb> ah interesting
[20:12] <ak4rp> maybe it was lame but it worked. Having had a quick look, I'm not sure I understand how do you handle NSS
[20:12] <Laurenceb> you are using stm32?
[20:12] <ak4rp> yes
[20:12] <Laurenceb> cool
[20:13] <Laurenceb> search for NSEL_LOW
[20:13] <Laurenceb> in my code
[20:13] <ak4rp> of course.
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[20:14] <ak4rp> I didn't try DMA though
[20:17] <Laurenceb> ok
[20:17] <Laurenceb> I've discovered some bugs now
[20:17] <Laurenceb> but they dont seem related to my issues
[20:17] <Laurenceb> fixing anyway :D
[20:21] <ak4rp> didn't you consider switching to the Cube?
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[20:26] <Laurenceb> heh lol
[20:26] <Laurenceb> it looks pretty horrible
[20:26] <Laurenceb> then again, so is periph lib
[20:27] <Laurenceb> ok so bugfixes changed the behaviour
[20:27] <Laurenceb> (gdb) p/x rx_buffer
[20:27] <Laurenceb> $126 = {0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1, 0x1}
[20:27] <Laurenceb> but its just mor eperplexing than ever
[20:27] <ak4rp> at least there is some diversity
[20:28] <ak4rp> good luck, too bad I can't be of any real help
[20:28] <ak4rp> which MCU are you targeting BTW? F103?
[20:29] <Laurenceb> yes
[20:30] <Laurenceb> do i wait for NIRQ low or high?
[20:30] <ak4rp> high
[20:30] <Laurenceb> hmm
[20:30] <Laurenceb> you wait for CTS in your code
[20:30] <Laurenceb> same as i was doing
[20:31] <ak4rp> but afterwards I'm waiting for NIRQ, too
[20:31] <ak4rp> there is that app note with the ugly flowcharts...
[20:31] <Laurenceb> ah
[20:31] <Laurenceb> you wait for NIRQ low
[20:31] <ak4rp> that told me to do so, maybe there is a reason for that.
[20:32] <Laurenceb> ok
[20:32] <ak4rp> really?
[20:32] <Laurenceb> line 258
[20:32] <ak4rp> indeed
[20:32] <ak4rp> and NIRQ is active low. helpful comment in line 257 :)
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[20:35] <Laurenceb> HELL YEAH
[20:35] <Laurenceb> you fixed it for me
[20:35] <Laurenceb> hi 5 for ak4rp
[20:35] <Laurenceb> right I have to catch a train home, thanks again
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[21:32] <Boelle_dk> Hi all
[21:32] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/4sKQSvU.gifv
[21:33] <Boelle_dk> building a ukhas node....
[21:33] <Boelle_dk> https://www.ukhas.net/wiki/guides:arduino_design
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[21:33] <Boelle_dk> list a board deff to add... but when i use that not burning bootloader fails...
[21:33] <Boelle_dk> i can burn an uno bootlaoder just fine
[21:34] <Boelle_dk> and IDE comes with a almost excatly named board deff... ie breadboard internal 8 mhz
[21:34] <Boelle_dk> that one works fine too
[21:37] <Boelle_dk> http://pastebin.com/xNikkwtu
[21:37] <Boelle_dk> that is how standard IDE board deff looks
[21:37] <Boelle_dk> almost the same.... just some fuse settings that differ
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[21:45] <Boelle_dk> dooh
[21:45] <Boelle_dk> wrong channel
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[21:47] <mbales__> haha, i do enjoy the responses
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[22:36] <Babs_> ping upuwork
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[22:36] <edmoore> they see him here
[22:36] <edmoore> they see him there
[22:37] <edmoore> thatsbabsie seeks him everywhere
[22:37] <edmoore> that paragon of pace and guile
[22:37] <edmoore> that damned elusive upu...whatever
[22:38] <Ian_> that paragon of pace and guile - has gone to bed with half a smile
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[23:24] <lz1dev> !hysplit remove ps-30
[23:24] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Removed 03ps-30 from defaults
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[23:30] Nick change: Muzer -> HaveYouSeenMe
[23:30] Nick change: HaveYouSeenMe -> Muzer
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[23:36] <Upu> ping babs
[23:36] <Upu> not here amy more
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> I wonder if PS-30 burst or hit a tropical thunderstorm
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> now I'm going to wast emy time working it out :-S
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> In principle balloon constellations could nicely synergise with the purported massive upcoming satellite constelaltions
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