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[02:42] <SpeedEvil> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/13/35/4913354e0f295ec7c1fd1c2ec4068e60.jpg - best picture ever.
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[04:37] <Dominik> Ping
[04:44] <SpeedEvil> >
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[06:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-30 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=PS-30
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[07:23] <Vaizki> PS-30 wow.. nice circumnavigation going on
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[08:11] <fsphil> who's submitting the WSPR receiver data?
[08:21] <SA6BSS> I think its only jt9 data that is upöoaded
[08:21] <SA6BSS> * upploaded
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[08:57] <lz1dev> It also offers slower transmissions of 2, 5, 10 and 30 minutes duration, and the slowest mode can decode signals as weak as -40 dB.
[08:57] <lz1dev> wow
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[09:25] <Darkside> -40dB in 3KHz mind you
[09:26] <mattbrejza> whats that in Eb/N0?
[09:27] <Darkside> dunno
[09:27] <Darkside> i know its MFSK
[09:27] <Darkside> i think 4-MFSK
[09:27] <Darkside> but i dunno what the baud rate is
[09:28] <Darkside> i wonder what the stability requirementd are..
[09:28] <mattbrejza> how do you even find that signal in the first place?
[09:28] <Darkside> long-time FFT?
[09:29] <Darkside> very very long time fft i would guess
[09:29] <Darkside> it would appear above the local noise floor, right?
[09:29] <Darkside> remember, thats -40dB in a 3KHz noise bandwidth, and the signal is only a few Hz wide
[09:29] <Darkside> and instantaneously, its just a carrier
[09:29] <mattbrejza> yea, whats the snr for its bandwidth
[09:30] <Darkside> yeah thats what i dunno
[09:30] <Darkside> once you fin dits bandwidth you could work it out im sure
[09:30] <Darkside> iim having trouble getting the spec for JT9
[09:31] <Darkside> the WSJT site is b0rked
[09:31] <mattbrejza> lol great..
[09:31] <mattbrejza> cache?
[09:31] <Darkside> 0.4Hz
[09:31] <Darkside> SNR is measured in 2.5KHz ref bandwidth
[09:32] <Darkside> soo if i'm thining correctly, the SNR in 0.4Hz will be -40 + 10*log10(2500/0.4) right?
[09:32] <Darkside> so wait
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[09:33] <Darkside> hmm
[09:33] <Darkside> -2db?!
[09:33] <mattbrejza> yea makes sense
[09:33] <Darkside> mentions it requires a very stable oscilator
[09:33] <mattbrejza> not suprised
[09:34] <Darkside> does -2dB sound right?
[09:34] <Darkside> doesnt sound quite right to me
[09:34] <Darkside> not in that bandwidth
[09:34] <mattbrejza> too high?
[09:34] <Darkside> too low?
[09:34] <Darkside> i dunno
[09:35] <mattbrejza> well if this was an uncoded two level modulation you can say Eb/N0 = -2 + 10*log10(0.4)
[09:35] <mattbrejza> (might have got a ign wrong)
[09:35] <mattbrejza> which is 2dB Eb/N0
[09:36] <mattbrejza> or am i being really stupid here
[09:36] <Darkside> dunnno, im too tired
[09:36] <mattbrejza> either way, its 2dB something
[09:36] <Darkside> also i went to a talk by matthew garrett today
[09:36] <Darkside> was entertaining
[09:37] <Darkside> and now i should sleep
[09:37] <Darkside> so gnight
[09:37] <mattbrejza> and i should to the opposite
[09:37] <mattbrejza> night
[09:37] <mattbrejza> *do
[09:38] <mattbrejza> btw my statement about Eb/N0 is mostly crap
[09:39] <mattbrejza> but -2dB doesnt seem too bad with MFSK and coding
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[11:51] <peterbjornx> Has anyone else here had problems with the uBlox GPS module?
[11:52] <peterbjornx> mine sometimes refuses to see"
[11:52] <peterbjornx> any sattelites
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[11:53] <edmoore> peterbjornx, which module specifically?
[11:53] <edmoore> and in general their performance is excellent so if you can't see anything it's likely to be:
[11:54] <edmoore> 1) bad antenna/connection
[11:54] <edmoore> 2) damaged (by static perhaps) ublox
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> or maybe interference from something else in the setup ?
[11:54] <edmoore> oh gosh, yes
[11:54] <edmoore> good point
[11:59] <peterbjornx> theres a 10mV ripple at 4MHz on the 3.3v rail, thats all i could measure
[11:59] <peterbjornx> it tends to stop/start working if i touch the antenna (plastic part of it) but i could not find a repeatable pattern that would make it work every time
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> where phyiscally is the GPS module / aerial is it indoors or outside in the clear ?
[12:00] <peterbjornx> doesnt matter, tried both
[12:00] <peterbjornx> when it works it gets 2 or 3 sats indoors, lots more outside
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> sounds odd, a hand nearby will normally reduce signal strength
[12:01] <peterbjornx> when it doesnt, it gets none
[12:01] <edmoore> that ripple doesn't sound too bad, is 4mhz explaining as a switching freq for your supply?
[12:01] <edmoore> i don't much like the sound of touching the antenna making a difference
[12:01] <edmoore> does it start working when you touch it or stop?
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I would look very carfeully at the aerial connections and any round tracks around the GPS module
[12:01] <peterbjornx> cpu clock freq for the gps mcu
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> *ground tracks
[12:02] <daveake> What type of antenna is this?
[12:02] <edmoore> yeah, if possible perhaps take a cameraphone phot of the setup
[12:02] <edmoore> if you wouldn't mind
[12:02] <edmoore> (or not a cmaeraphone, of course, if you have something better)
[12:02] <peterbjornx> i have looked at it through a digital camera microscope, couldnt find any broken traces
[12:03] <edmoore> your own pcb design?
[12:03] <daveake> The chip antennae seem quite sensitive to their surroundings
[12:03] <peterbjornx> nope, habsupplies module
[12:03] <edmoore> ok
[12:03] <edmoore> and there's no additional conductive stuff near the chip antenna?
[12:03] <edmoore> it's not mounted next to a battery or anything?
[12:03] <daveake> Yeah they don't like that.
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[12:04] <gonzo_> if it's an active antenna. It may be ocsillating, touching it could be damping that out
[12:05] <edmoore> it's a habsupplies chip antenna
[12:05] <edmoore> if i understand peterbjx_mobi correctly
[12:06] <gonzo_> I have also seem problems with active antennas that come with silly long cables. People cut them down and the excess gain, used to overcome cable loss, causes the RX rto be swamped
[12:06] <peterbjx_mobi> Its a quadv antenna
[12:06] <edmoore> oh i apologise
[12:06] <edmoore> i must have misread
[12:06] <gonzo_> ok, I'll go back to sleep!
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can you do a photo of the setup ?
[12:06] <edmoore> peterbjx_mobi, is it getting anything at all? time or anything?
[12:07] <gonzo_> active or passive quad V
[12:09] <edmoore> african or european
[12:09] <peterbjx_mobi> the board mounted one
[12:09] <gonzo_> you have to k now these things when you are a king, you know
[12:11] <peterbjx_mobi> I have already tested the module seperately
[12:11] <edmoore> and it worked?
[12:14] <peterbjx_mobi> Nope
[12:14] <peterbjx_mobi> not consistently
[12:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can you talk to the GPS OK and get replies ?
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> serial or I2C ?
[12:17] <Bob_Saget> african or european?
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I assumed humour ?
[12:19] <peterbjx_mobi> haven't tried, I'm getting nmea data via serial
[12:21] <craag> as previously mentioned, a photo of the setup would be helpful
[12:21] <peterbjx_mobi> can't do that atm
[12:21] <craag> Ah ok. What power supply are you using?
[12:21] <peterbjx_mobi> I'm on mobile data
[12:21] <peterbjx_mobi> battery + 3.3v ldo
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> trying touching the aerial with a plastic rod of some sort and see if that causes problems
[12:22] <craag> Ok, and the ldo is rated to >80mA?
[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> that seems the most obvious area of a problem ...
[12:22] <peterbjx_mobi> Does it have to be a rod ?
[12:22] <peterbjx_mobi> Its power is fine
[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> nope just something totally non-conductive (NOT a pencil0
[12:22] <peterbjx_mobi> 10mv ripple
[12:23] <craag> Ok. I'm out of ideas then.
[12:23] <peterbjx_mobi> doesn't change anything(its not working atm not even time}
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Is there any transmitter running in the setup ?
[12:25] <craag> Hmm, have you tried leaving it running disconnected from the serial for a bit and then coming back to it?
[12:25] <peterbjx_mobi> Yes, mtx2 at 434.255
[12:25] <daveake> Which LDO?
[12:26] <peterbjx_mobi> Yes. It does work sometimes after repeatedlyy softly tapping the module/antenna
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> could your supply be oscillating at HF/VHF is it well de-coupled with capacitors close the the LDO ?
[12:27] <peterbjx_mobi> It is 10uf at in 10uf at out,right next to the ldo
[12:27] <daveake> Add 100nF on the o/p
[12:28] <daveake> Which LDO?
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> what about 0.1uF close in to the leads they tend to stop oscillating at higer RF freq's.
[12:28] <peterbjx_mobi> Ill try but as i said, it does work after repeatedly tapping it
[12:29] <daveake> Probably a broken antenna tgeb
[12:29] <daveake> then
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> it might be your conductive hand that causes any oscillation to change
[12:32] <peterbjx_mobi> Added a .1uf to the module hdr doest fix it
[12:32] <peterbjx_mobi> Doesnt
[12:32] <craag> ldo module or gps module?
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> is this on a PCB ?
[12:32] <peterbjx_mobi> Gps
[12:33] <craag> gps module already has one it. It needs to be as close to the LDO as possible.
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> no needs to be close to output pinds and earth on the ldo
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> pins
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> the aim is to get the 0.1uF as close to the LDO pins as possible to minimise inductance
[12:40] <peterbjx_mobi> Ok i need to test the module at home for that
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> good luck
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[13:06] <Fredster> Good Afternoon
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[13:12] <Fredster> Hi Bob_Saget I'm new here. hoping to ask a few queusions about the 433Mhz used here.
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[13:14] <craag> Fredster: ask away
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[13:22] <Fredster> OK this is a bit off topic. I'm on the hunt for a 433Mhz transceiver I can use on a Raspberry pi (or other Linux box). There are a number of devices that use SPI and others that use USB and I guess serial. However finding something with a reasonable driver I can use with python is proving hard. I bumped into your really amazing corner of the world and thought you guys n gals probably have some standard tools sorted out.
[13:23] <craag> This is to talk pi<->pi?
[13:23] <craag> And what kind of messages are you wanting to send? (eg. is it short 20 character messages, or files, or stream video?)
[13:24] <Fredster> no.. relay very simple in many ways. At first I just want to turn on and off some of those remote switches.
[13:24] <daveake> and what sort of distance?
[13:24] <craag> I'd probably suggest the rfm69 then
[13:24] <craag> SPI
[13:24] <craag> plenty of libraries
[13:24] <craag> very cheap
[13:24] <daveake> There's a python-spi library
[13:24] <daveake> Shouldn't take a lot of work to get it running
[13:25] <fsphil> you'd need to know exactly how the remote switch works, and that it uses a packet format the rfm radios can transmit
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[13:25] <fsphil> assuming they're not something you built yourself
[13:25] <craag> Ah yeah I was assuming you'd build that end too with an arduino or similar
[13:26] <fsphil> you know I have some of those here and I've never looked at the signal on an analyser
[13:26] <fsphil> would be an interesting weekend project
[13:27] <daveake> Yeah if it's prebuilt mains remote switches then you just need the type where the remote has separate on and off buttons, then switch those from a Pi
[13:27] <daveake> I've done that from a PIC
[13:28] <daveake> Some have a single button to change state, so those are pretty useless as the Pi won't know what state the device is in
[13:29] <Fredster> So the simple picture is a Temp and Humid sensor (SHT75 already happy with that in python) and a SIM900 modem (again already happy with that so far) just need the switching end. Think I will add OpenHAB . All on one raspberry pi
[13:30] <Fredster> I should be able to grab the on off codes that the switches need
[13:30] <daveake> OpenHAB - stupid name :p
[13:30] <fsphil> hah
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[13:31] <Fredster> lol.. a balloon that is open is not a balloon.
[13:31] <fsphil> unless it's a zero pressure balloon
[13:31] <fsphil> or deflated
[13:31] <gonzo_> they are all open on one side
[13:32] <daveake> :)
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[13:34] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-8 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-8
[13:35] <Fredster> I think I have stumbled into my own childhood dream. you really seem to have your stuff organized here. Just looking at PS-30 over Madagascar.. It left AZ 19 days ago .. ! that is really amazing.
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[13:36] <fsphil> it'll hopefully pass the launch longitude soon
[13:36] <fsphil> be only the 4th amateur balloon to do so iirc
[13:37] <fsphil> (leo managed three didn't he?)
[13:43] <Fredster> Do amateur balloons not normally manage to circumnavigate the globe? fsphil that is what you mean by passing the launch longitude right
[13:43] <Fredster> ?
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[13:43] <storm_work> @Fredster: most ballons are not designed to float, they quickly ascent, burst and then drop back down
[13:44] <fsphil> Fredster: yea most are just short 2 hour flights
[13:44] <fsphil> getting them to float is actually fairly tricky
[13:44] <Fredster> interesting way of looking at it. float.
[13:44] <storm_work> floating ballons dont reach high altitudes, so it realy depends on what u want
[13:45] <fsphil> I've managed to get two to float for about 24 hours
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[13:46] <Fredster> I'm a a sailing man myself so floating is a concept I like. But UP there.. you have to float within it rather than on top of something right ?
[13:46] <fsphil> yea
[13:47] <craag> You're floating it on a gradient, rather than a boundary
[13:47] <daveake> It's still floating - the air density varies with altitude
[13:47] <craag> which also means that tiny changes to the balloon, gas, or payload can vary the altitude you achieve
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[13:48] <Fredster> like that interesting one of the wine bottle mostly full of water and a match head and a cork on top.. you press down on the cork and the match head will sink. if you get the pressure right it will ... I use the word hover!
[13:51] <Fredster> looking at the tracking system here you have had a lot of activity.. how many armature balloon go up a year ?
[13:51] <edmoore> grows every year
[13:52] <edmoore> 2005/6, 1,2,maybe 3 flights/yr
[13:52] <edmoore> now, hundreds?
[13:52] <edmoore> high tens certainly if not
[13:54] <daveake> Steve reckons that from his sales it's probably about double the number that appear on SNUS
[13:54] <Fredster> Do you guys like it bruiser or do you prefer a smaller group of very interested people.
[13:55] <gonzo_> we all probably have a few balloons in stock, that we mean to get around to flying
[13:55] <daveake> true
[13:55] <daveake> I try and keep 1 of each size from 500-1600, so I can adjust the flight profile if needed
[13:55] <edmoore> Fredster, all are welcome
[13:55] <edmoore> but there's an empahsis on learning and diy
[13:56] <edmoore> some people pop on wanting to buy off-the-shelf everything and have it all done for them so they can launch next weekend
[13:56] <gonzo_> so they can fail, next weekend
[13:57] <edmoore> yes that's usually the result
[13:57] <Fredster> Do you know of any presence in Ireland ?
[13:57] <edmoore> but you can get off-the-shelf flight trackers which are great for teachers, for example, who don't necessarily have time to burn on making a tracker but would love to do some fine science with their class
[13:57] <edmoore> NI certainly
[13:58] <edmoore> one of the main men
[13:58] <edmoore> not sure about ROI
[13:58] <edmoore> there certainly have been but don't know about active current flyers
[13:58] Action: fsphil launches in NI - there's also someone who occasionally launches in Donegal but he's rarely on here
[13:59] <daveake> and rarely in possession of a notam either
[13:59] <fsphil> mmm
[13:59] <gonzo_> but roi/ni launches will probably come over the UK, so there are lots of people ready to receive your telemetry
[14:00] <edmoore> NOTAM is a NOtice To AirMen
[14:00] <edmoore> basically aviation authority clearence to lob stuff into controlled airspace
[14:00] <daveake> and not "NOT Applicable to Me"
[14:00] <gonzo_> and depending where it lands, possibly even do a recovery
[14:00] <edmoore> you need one before launching
[14:02] <Fredster> I guess the wind goes in different directions somewhat at different altitudes but in general launching from NI or ROI would mean a path over UK and perhaps the rest of Europe. ya .. there would be a lot of controlled airspace and very quickly in contrast to launching like PS-30 in AZ
[14:03] <fsphil> summer tends to be better
[14:03] <storm_work> do you guys in the UK need an avionics insurance to get a NOTAM?
[14:03] <fsphil> here's the week ahead if I launched now: http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cookstown/
[14:03] <storm_work> I just learned I need one in Germany, 60¬ per day :(
[14:06] <Fredster> cool.. I'm going to get back to my raspberry pi project. Thanks for the RF transceiver help (rfm69) and the amazing insight. Have fun all.
[14:07] <Vaizki> my son is a newbie HAM and I was wondering if he could help out in tracking your balloons.. but I don't think you launch stuff that goes over Finland because next it's going to be over Russia never to be seen again :)
[14:07] <craag> Fredster: I'd suggest subscribing to the mailing list if you want to keep up to date with launches
[14:08] <craag> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[14:09] <craag> Not many at the moment due to rubbish wind - but come summer it'll get busy :)
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Quite a few flights head over Finland, mainly floaters look at B-64! For the extreme!
[14:09] <Fredster> ty craag
[14:10] <Vaizki> haha
[14:10] <Vaizki> that B-64 is crazy
[14:12] <Laurenceb> hmm PS-30 is descending
[14:12] <Laurenceb> :-/
[14:12] <Vaizki> so that is an APRS-based tracking.. what's the new stuff? JT9 is all the hotness?
[14:15] <Vaizki> those receiver stations shown on the habhub map.. they are probably not ALL stations, just ones that reported something in the last X hours?
[14:16] <craag> yep last 24h iirc
[14:18] <Vaizki> ummmm my neighbour has an APRS station :O
[14:18] <Vaizki> live and learn
[14:19] <Vaizki> (not a HAM myself and don't know this stuff at all)
[14:21] <gonzo_> most popular in the UK is straight RTTY, though some have experimented with other modes with good results
[14:21] <Laurenceb> any si446x users here?
[14:22] <Vaizki> gonzo_, ok so that is just simple SSB teletype?
[14:23] <Vaizki> can be basically caught with an el-cheapo SDR
[14:24] <gonzo_> yes. On TX we use little FM tx modules. Modulate with a keying voltage, or switching cahnnels. And an SSB RX of some kind on the ground
[14:25] <Vaizki> you run them on ISM bands?
[14:25] <gonzo_> yes. because airborne am
[14:25] <Vaizki> I can foresee a bunch of trouble having airborne transmitters on license
[14:25] <Vaizki> d
[14:25] <Vaizki> yea
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[14:25] <gonzo_> ham is not allowed in the UK
[14:26] <Vaizki> I think here in Finland the local FPV fliers went to the regulator and got some GHz band which is not license free but very easy to get a permit for it even if you're not a ham
[14:27] <Vaizki> of course they need bandwidth instead of ultra long range
[14:28] <gonzo_> you can fly fpv with 2.4 and 5ghz video. But for airborne, the power limit is reduced. Though not that many take any notice, or are not aware/understand that
[14:28] <gonzo_> in uk
[14:29] <Vaizki> sure, and ofcom is not driving around doing eirp checks :)
[14:29] <Vaizki> here you have to swamp a whole neighbourhood with 2.4GHz noise and kill everyone's wifi before someone shows up
[14:29] <gonzo_> 434mhz at 10mW ISM is fine for telemetry. It is strong till it drops over the horison.
[14:30] <gonzo_> doubt that would even get a visit in the UK
[14:30] <Vaizki> so what's an easy antenna to slap on the end of an SDR to get those signals?
[14:30] <Vaizki> I know ZERO about antennas
[14:31] <gonzo_> a hab 70cm coliniear is a good start.
[14:31] <gonzo_> with a cheap rtl dongle SDR, you may want a peramp/filter
[14:31] <gonzo_> there is one on the UKHAS shop, called HABAMP
[14:32] <gonzo_> a *HAM* 70cm coliniear is a good start.
[14:34] <Vaizki> http://www.dstar101.com/2m%20and%2070cm%20Colinear%20Flowerpot%20antenna.htm
[14:34] <Vaizki> like that?
[14:35] <Upu> Watson W-50
[14:35] <Upu> Diamond X-50
[14:36] <gonzo_> yep, you could make one. Though if you can find a second hand one, like upu just mentioned. Would saev a lot of effort
[14:36] <Vaizki> yea especially when I have no idea what I'm doing ;)
[14:37] <gonzo_> though, not wanting to put someone off making something
[14:37] <lz1dev> Laurenceb> hmm PS-30 is descending
[14:37] <Laurenceb> erm not any more lol
[14:37] <lz1dev> it's not, there is bogus position with 13km alt
[14:37] <gonzo_> a colinear antenna, up in the clear, habamp and a dongle SDR, you can be recdeiving any HAB that comes over your horizon
[14:38] <Vaizki> ok "up in the clear" was going to be my next q...
[14:38] <Vaizki> what about a TV aerial next to it?
[14:39] <Vaizki> is it going to screw up things?
[14:39] <Upu> tv antenna is horizontal the colinear is vertical and probably above it
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[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Mount the co-linear on the pole of the tv aerial
[14:40] <Upu> which didn't answer your queston
[14:40] <Upu> no
[14:40] <Upu> probably not
[14:40] <Vaizki> what kind of gain should be minimum?
[14:41] <Upu> don't worry about thta
[14:41] <Upu> I got 650km out of a Watson W-50
[14:41] <daveake> It's more line-of-sight than gain/distance
[14:41] <daveake> So get it up high with a cler view of the horizon
[14:41] <daveake> And use decent cable
[14:41] <edmoore> at low baud rates anyway
[14:42] <Vaizki> so 8dB of gain is more than enough?
[14:42] <Vaizki> at 433MHz
[14:43] <edmoore> if it's in the right direction :)
[14:43] <edmoore> yes
[14:43] <edmoore> gain is a rubber glove full of water
[14:43] <edmoore> you squeeze one finger shut, another gets fatter
[14:44] <Vaizki> naah I mean omnidirectional and just looking at the single-number spec, not those polar chart
[14:44] <edmoore> you add gain to the front, you probably have to take it away from the sides and back
[14:44] <edmoore> that's what a yagi antenna does, for example
[14:45] <Vaizki> sure, I'm just looking for something on the roof without turning motors or anything
[14:45] <craag> so the colinears squash the gain down into a thin donut
[14:45] <daveake> mmmdonuts
[14:46] <craag> so more gain can actually mean you have issues when the balloon is significantly above the horizon
[14:46] <craag> tldr; 8dB is pretty much perfect
[14:47] <edmoore> that was my point. it doesn't have 8dB gain omnidirectionally, it has increased gain out to the horizon
[14:47] <edmoore> at the enpense of gain elsewhere
[14:47] <edmoore> but that's fine for hab
[14:47] <edmoore> the W50 is the right thing to buy
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[14:49] <gonzo_> I suspect that if the balloon is at a big elevation above your horizon, it will be close, so any null above, due to gain, may compensate out to some extent
[14:50] <edmoore> yah precis
[14:50] <edmoore> absolut
[14:50] <gonzo_> that's what you find with satellites. Though with low earth orbiters, the horizon to overhead can be 10dB
[14:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CALLSIGN123_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=CALLSIGN123_chase
[14:51] <gonzo_> you only really get overhead signals for any length of time, when you are chasing it oin a car
[14:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03CT2GWW _chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=CT2GWW%20_chase
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[14:55] <craag> I've had a balloon dissappear completely above about 40 degrees with a 12dBd colinear
[14:55] <craag> That thing was massive though
[14:56] <Vaizki> I could get one of these pretty cheap.. http://www.hamradio.co.uk/aerials-antenna-manufacturers-diamond-antennas/diamond/diamond-v-2000-pd-2592.php
[14:57] <Vaizki> much cheaper than a W50
[14:57] <Vaizki> ah hmm triplexer..
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[14:58] <Vaizki> ok it's not cheap with that ;)
[14:59] <craag> Only need a triplexer if you're planning on using it concurrently on different bands
[15:00] <Vaizki> ah ok
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[15:04] <Vaizki> any problems with that antenna for example?
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> A dual band 2m/70cms are usually a lot cheaper
[15:05] <craag> Yeah - and the connector is an SO239
[15:06] <Vaizki> well I'd get it for half that price
[15:07] <Piet0r> Wich webshop is that? ;)
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/201228752963?nav=SEARCH
[15:08] <Vaizki> Piet0r, not a webshop.. a friend :)
[15:08] <Piet0r> Yeah that's what I thought :p
[15:08] <Vaizki> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab, doesn't post to Finland
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[15:09] <Vaizki> so what's the issue with the SO-239.. that it's the female side?
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> But you might well find a Finnish shop selling similar
[15:09] <Vaizki> I have only worked with 2.4GHz wifi antennas so forgive me :)
[15:10] <Vaizki> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab, sure but I can get the V2000 for the same price if it's better
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> SO239 is OK but not the best type of plug, N types are much better
[15:10] <Piet0r> N types are also waterproof
[15:11] <Piet0r> At least the ones I have
[15:11] <Piet0r> They have a rubber thingy
[15:12] <Vaizki> ok.. I trust in self vulcanizing rubber tape :)
[15:12] <Vaizki> but good to know
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[15:13] <Piet0r> Hah I went to the local hardware store to buy some self vulcanizing tape
[15:14] <Piet0r> And the guy thought I was making a joke
[15:14] <Vaizki> I went to the local hardware store and their tape was crap
[15:14] <Vaizki> of course it was dirt cheap too but still crap :)
[15:14] <edmoore> yes n-types are ip67 mated i think
[15:15] <Piet0r> Dirt cheap isn't always crap
[15:15] <Piet0r> But mostly it is
[15:16] <Vaizki> http://www.diamondantenna.net/x50na.html
[15:17] <Vaizki> hmm that one I could get a lot cheaper still
[15:17] <Piet0r> I have that one
[15:17] <Piet0r> Awesome antenna
[15:17] <Vaizki> might not be a bad start to see if this HAB thing sticks at all
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yup very simi
[15:17] <edmoore> usually does :)
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[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> at to the one I use
[15:21] <Vaizki> that antenna would also work for some tests I planned for LoRa (https://www.tindie.com/products/DORJI_COM/long-range-semtech-lora-sx1276-sx1278-data-radio-modem-drf1278dm/)
[15:21] <Vaizki> or at least I think it would work fine ;)
[15:22] <Piet0r> What are you going to use it for?
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[15:33] <Piet0r> I just learned about LoRa
[15:33] <Piet0r> Here in the Netherlands a major network operator (KPN) is going to roll out a nation wide LoRa network
[15:33] <Piet0r> At least, they want to do that :p
[15:34] <Piet0r> So smart meters and such can use that instead of GPRS
[15:34] <Piet0r> On 868MHz I believe
[15:35] <fsphil> interesting
[15:35] <fsphil> hopefully not 434mhz
[15:35] <fsphil> it's bad enough already :)
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[15:40] <Piet0r> No they are already quite sure it's going to be 868MHz
[15:42] <craag> Yeah it's LoRaWAN
[15:43] <craag> network spec from the LoRa Alliance
[15:43] <craag> with big people like IBM and Cisco behind it
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[15:44] <craag> It's a rather unambitious spec, star-of-stars topology, no meshing of any kind, just gateways and end-devices.
[15:44] <craag> With heavy companies behind it though - gateway coverage should be enough to make it useful
[15:44] <Vaizki> Aka just works
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[15:45] <edmoore> that's how you curse things Vaizki
[15:45] <edmoore> careless talk that the gods can overhear
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[16:09] <Ian_> Vaizki, tri band colinears tend to be a bad buy. The reason is that the ground-plane radials are not long enough. Better off with a better dual band model. It's a common failing.
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[16:10] <edmoore> like sloth
[16:10] <edmoore> and alcoholism
[16:11] <Piet0r> It's only alcoholism when you say it is
[16:11] <Piet0r> I say it's not
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[16:12] <Ian_> I prefer sloth, it's cheaper!
[16:13] <Ian_> Mmmm, roast sloth for dinner too
[16:13] <edmoore> i'd use a slow cooker for them
[16:14] <Ian_> If you have no room in the cupboard, you can just hang them, upside down, on the washing line. Shouldn't that be a sloth cooker edmoore?
[16:15] <Vaizki> ian, thanks
[16:19] <Ian_> Np, thought the advice might have got lost in the sillieness :)
[16:20] <edmoore> a motto for this channel
[16:20] <edmoore> actually the snr here is often not too bad
[16:20] <Ian_> No problem with a little humour when it's quiet Ed
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[17:11] <arjunnaha> How do you explain HAB in one sentence for n00bs, I need to present my flight idea to my teacher
[17:13] <wenko> The name says it all :P
[17:14] <arjunnaha> wenko: with a bit more detal :-)
[17:14] <arjunnaha> *detail
[17:16] <wenko> A HAB is a research vessel used for deploying sensors into the atmosphere.
[17:16] <wenko> herm, that says more, but still not enough...
[17:16] <wenko> I think they are going to be more insterested in what you plan to do with it.
[17:17] <edmoore> a HAB can loft a small experiment to over thirty kilometers, three to four times higher than a 747 and where over 99% of the earth's atmosphere is beneath you
[17:17] <arjunnaha> Just general fun/stem/pics
[17:17] <wenko> edmoore: +1
[17:17] <edmoore> + a picture
[17:17] <edmoore> which is 1000 words
[17:17] <arjunnaha> Perfect
[17:18] <arjunnaha> thx guys
[17:18] <wenko> arjunnaha: Try and angle it to your instructor in a way that it shows you are interested in some scientific observation...more likely to get them on board.
[17:19] <arjunnaha> Blind them with science
[17:19] <wenko> basically
[17:19] <arjunnaha> lol
[17:20] <wenko> Even building a payload is going to be an awesome learning opportunity
[17:20] <arjunnaha> Covers pretty much every school subject...perfect
[17:20] <wenko> You will need to consider things like weight, the HA temperatures, increased radiation, etc...
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[17:20] <arjunnaha> Eh?
[17:21] <edmoore> science that can be done, i think wenko is getting at
[17:22] <arjunnaha> so lots of sensors in the balloon and prediction of these measurements
[17:22] <wenko> arjunnaha: yep.
[17:22] <wenko> What kind of teacher are you presenting this to?
[17:22] <arjunnaha> Head teacher and the school council
[17:23] <wenko> If it's some kind of highschool science teacher, then consider things that relate to the curriculum. "We want to monitor winds at X meters ASL"
[17:24] <arjunnaha> Thx for the help
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[17:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> Funky to see PS30 still around!
[18:02] <Fredster> Hi all, My first Question. Is PS-30 falling? Thought I saw it higher earlier. 9000 meters
[18:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=default_chase
[18:03] <Fredster> Anyway I was on earlier asking a little off topic about a 433Mhz module with python library support. Someone very kindle suggested the RFM69 However I have not found much in the way of python library's. ( found one that might work but its might) So I thought I might ask again and see if someone had any other suggestions. Its just for shot distance switching of sockets.
[18:05] <Fredster> think it was craag who suggested the RFM69 . looks like a nice powerful radio.
[18:06] <edmoore> radio modules don't usually have python libraries in the same way that oranges don't usually have overdrafts
[18:06] <edmoore> they're sort of..... not compatible concepts
[18:06] <edmoore> do you mean a radio module that you can interface with some kind of computer, and there exists a python module for that computer that handles the interface to the radio?
[18:07] <edmoore> actually the old telit GSM modules did have a built-in python interpreter, come to think of it
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[18:09] <edmoore> if you want short-range, ground-to-ground radio modules with high level interfaces, have a look at zigbee/xbee modules
[18:09] <edmoore> they are very popular with hobbyists and i'd be very surprised if there weren't nice python modules written to wrap their serial interface
[18:11] <Ian_> Fredster, you could ask at #ukhasnet or perhaps https://www.ukhas.net/ to see what the RFM69 is being used for, Atmega328p and some other connectivity
[18:11] <edmoore> there look to be lots of google hits if you search for raspberry pi and zigbee (or xbee) together
[18:11] <Fredster> edmoore: yes. a library that allows someone newish to programming to communicate with the RF module is a somewhat simple way. In contrast to setting up all the registers and dealing with all the buffers.
[18:12] <Fredster> oh sorry the conversation scrolled out of view while I was watch PS-30
[18:13] <Fredster> watching. *
[18:14] <Ian_> Fredster, you could ask at #ukhasnet or perhaps https://www.ukhas.net/ to see what the RFM69 is being used for, Atmega328p and some other connectivity [
[18:14] <Fredster> I'll have a look on #ukhasnet Thanks for the tip.
[18:14] <Ian_> Look at the website first perhaps.
[18:15] <Fredster> will do
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[18:15] <Fredster> Will PS-30 be retrieved or is it likely gone for good ?
[18:17] <edmoore> most of those floaters are lost to the sky
[18:18] <Fredster> you mean they fall apart at altitude ?
[18:19] <edmoore> no they just die
[18:20] <edmoore> batteries fail, envelope leaks, whatever
[18:20] <Ian_> Floaters will degrade at some point and come to earth. Think about the logistics of retrieval if the battery packs up a few weeks or months before that event. There's a lot of oggin out there!
[18:21] <edmoore> yes, you're not going to get many helpers when you say 'i'm looking for a plastic bag
[18:21] <edmoore> and i believe it's somewhere in siberia'
[18:21] <edmoore> 'but it could also be in canada'
[18:21] <Ian_> What, not Best Korea . . .
[18:21] <edmoore> too small
[18:22] <Fredster> Its a fascinating area. I'm curious what the summer brings in Europe. Thanks for your suggestions re RF stuff.
[18:22] <Ian_> Ha
[18:22] <edmoore> summer may reawaken some B's if they're still up
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[18:23] <Ian_> B-64/Lazarus
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[18:23] <Ian_> It would be interesting, for sure though.
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[18:24] <edmoore> we calculated that it could quite easily be in perma-darkness for the winter months
[18:26] <Ian_> As has been said before, it's the possibility of the long term battery damage that is likely to preclude that, but I can hear the cheering if it limped back to operation.
[18:26] <edmoore> but if the lipos are not killed by that (though you rather expect them to get very unhappy is discharged completely) then who knows?
[18:30] <Vaizki> has anyone used supercaps for really long term floaters?
[18:32] <mattbrejza> i think the supercap you would need would be pretty big and heavy, but in theory theyre nice
[18:33] <mattbrejza> although if you only operate during the day it would probably be enough
[18:33] <mattbrejza> witht a small one
[18:34] <Vaizki> and yes lipos get very happy if you discharge them too much
[18:34] <Vaizki> unhappy
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: yeah - though not very similar - I have recovered 18650s that were at 0.00V for extended periods.
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> (unprotected cells)
[18:36] <SpeedEvil> (it was an application I diddn't care if they caught fire)
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[18:38] <Vaizki> you just dumb-charged them up to 3V?
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[18:47] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: Check out PS-30 Pico Balloon launched in Dec 2014 from Oz and has just crossed southern africa! http://t.co/iekBvDdg9M #ukhas #hamradio
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> yes
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> at ~10mA
[18:55] <SpeedEvil> they came back to ~900mAh from 1300 - I was surprised
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[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:07] <SA6BSS> Vaizki: I think one of the polish habers was experementing on supercaps, he got about 5hours from one
[19:12] <SA6BSS> thar would be 28minutes reading back logs, google sp9uob supercap
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[19:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTASPOT after 036 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=NOTASPOT
[19:53] <lz1dev> daveake: playing with spot tracker? :)
[19:53] <daveake> sure :/
[19:54] <daveake> actually playing with a HDMIPi + Pi + LoRa + battery pack
[19:54] <daveake> as a portable no-pc-needed receiver/gateway
[19:54] <daveake> ideally with mapping and navigation. One day.
[19:55] <mattbrejza> not sure if rpi counts as a pc...
[19:55] <daveake> :)
[19:57] <mattbrejza> handheld?
[19:57] <daveake> ish
[19:57] <daveake> It's like a tablet that needs to go on a diet
[19:58] <daveake> More of a car thing really
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[20:01] <lz1dev> oh we lost ps-30
[20:01] <lz1dev> !whereis ps-30
[20:01] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-30 was near 03Madagascar 10(-23.45,43.301) at 030 meters about 032 hours ago
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[20:17] <Vaizki> ouch
[20:17] <Vaizki> so close
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[20:49] <mbales__> anyone here used taoglas gps antennas?
[20:50] <Upu> yes
[20:50] <Upu> they are very good
[20:50] <Upu> patch ones ?
[20:50] <mbales__> yeah, looking at this one in particular: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AP.10E.07.0039B/931-1147-ND/3083255?WT.mc_id=IQ75437311-VQ2-d-VQ6-58694833515-VQ15-none-VQ16-c&wt.srch=1&wt.medium=cpc&WT.srch=1&WT.medium=cpc
[20:51] <mbales__> long link is long
[20:51] <Upu> I use the SMD version of that
[20:52] <mbales__> have a link to the part?
[20:52] <Upu> http://www.taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/AP.10H.01.pdf
[20:52] <Upu> but
[20:53] <Upu> directional to a degree, the JDGA antenna is a better bet if you're going upside down etc :)
[20:53] <Babs> hey upu - quick q on your eagle atmega328 eagle component if thats ok?
[20:53] <Upu> shoot
[20:54] <Babs> so the PB0,PB1 etc. on the diagram i recognise
[20:54] <edmoore> miss
[20:54] <Upu> ok
[20:55] <Babs> however the numbers on the outside pins don't seem to correspond to this http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/038/0/a/arduino_atmega328_web_by_pighixxx-d5u4ape.png
[20:55] <Upu> thats at atmega328p-pu
[20:55] <Upu> or something
[20:56] <Upu> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/image/data/tutorial/arduino-hardcore/atmega328-tqfp-arduino-pinout.jpg
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[20:57] <Upu> DIP version doesn't have as many pins
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[20:57] <edmoore> dip head
[20:58] <Upu> you get A6 and A7 (analogue input only) on the TQFP
[20:58] <Babs> so if i am taking my breadboarded arduino using the through hole atmega, the correct route is to find the arduino pin on that chip, go to the arduino pin on the link you just posted, and then backsolve o your surface mount footprint?
[20:58] <Babs> *to
[20:58] <Upu> something like that
[20:58] <Upu> I think
[20:58] <Upu> ignore the pin numbers
[20:58] <Babs> think i got it. thanks!
[20:59] <edmoore> that's correct if they're both 328s
[20:59] <Upu> use the AVR nomencalure
[20:59] <edmoore> the software written for one with the subset of pins will work on the one with more pins
[20:59] <Babs> yes, both 328s edmoore
[20:59] <edmoore> provided it's the same pin name in each case
[20:59] <Babs> what is the avr nomenclature?
[20:59] <Upu> PB0 etc
[20:59] <Babs> ah ok. will do.
[21:00] <Babs> i have decided that arduino is good until you want to modify something (e.g. the length of the serial buffer), and then it is more tricky
[21:00] <edmoore> you win
[21:00] <edmoore> and can now graduate
[21:00] <Babs> but have got my tracker working on the breadboard now so its time to get it printed.
[21:00] <edmoore> arduino lets you do the first 20% without too many surprises
[21:00] <edmoore> but then gets in the way
[21:01] <Babs> yes exactly.
[21:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> pong Babs
[21:01] <Babs> hey geoff-g8dhe-m
[21:02] <edmoore> my pressure sensors sense pressure! https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjbgj0o4u33qdoe/2015-01-15%2021.00.20.jpg?dl=0
[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Break from the Snooker ;-)
[21:02] <Babs> do you remember when you did these for me? https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11834929443/in/set-72157632733154985
[21:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Indeed, some to do ?
[21:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> more
[21:04] <Babs> do you still have the source file for the original .tiff file? I'd like to get it blown up, but if you remember the .tiff file was too large to get through the server, so you did me a full size jpeg and a cutdown .tiff
[21:04] <edmoore> more pressure sensors https://www.dropbox.com/s/w4nf8co4pl7vitr/2015-01-12%2017.35.13.jpg?dl=0
[21:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh let me have a look ....
[21:05] <mbales__> thats a lot o sensors
[21:05] <Babs> it would be preferable to use the .tiff of this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11834929443/in/set-72157632733154985 as its slightly wider format than the cut down .tiff here https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11835230124/in/set-72157632733154985/
[21:07] <edmoore> Babs, what was the name again of that chap you know who works at REL?
[21:08] <edmoore> did he used to be part of specilist techniques?
[21:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right found them can give you FTP access if you like
[21:08] <edmoore> mbales__, 64 'o' them
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[21:10] <mbales__> what chip is it based on?
[21:12] <edmoore> which bit?
[21:12] <edmoore> well, from left to right
[21:12] <mbales__> the on on the middle side looking topwise
[21:12] <edmoore> 8x GE pressure sensors with on a baord with provides them with a constant current supply
[21:12] <edmoore> then ribbon cables to an adc card
[21:12] <mbales__> ah
[21:12] <edmoore> which i based on an ad7606
[21:13] <mbales__> very cool, to what ends?
[21:13] <edmoore> and that is aslo galvanically isolated from the rest of the universe so you can ground it against the test article
[21:13] <edmoore> on the right is a cpu card for which i used an stm32f407
[21:13] <Upu> large fireworks
[21:13] <edmoore> it's for testing a rocket engine mbales__
[21:13] <mbales__> wow, thats nuts
[21:14] <edmoore> those 64 sensors are for studying how the exhaust flow sticks to the nozzle on the way out
[21:14] <edmoore> we're doing novel things with the nozzle
[21:15] <edmoore> there are about 35 additional pressure sensors on the rocket which are more typical industrial type
[21:15] <edmoore> 0-200bar type things
[21:15] <edmoore> bsp fittings
[21:15] <edmoore> those measure tank pressures, injector feed pressurs, pressures across a venturi for calculting mass flow, all the usual
[21:16] <mbales__> so& then it is like rocket science
[21:16] <mbales__> in which case my many hours of KSP make me an expert
[21:17] <mbales__> but that is very cool, whats the end application for the rocket?
[21:17] <mbales__> a rockoon perhaps?
[21:17] <edmoore> going into space
[21:17] <edmoore> this is a subscale version of a new kind of rocket engine called a SABRE engine
[21:17] <mbales__> sh
[21:18] <mbales__> ah
[21:18] <edmoore> it's a sort of hybrid which can be both air-breathing and pure rocket
[21:18] <mbales__> i am familiar with that name
[21:18] <mbales__> thats very cool
[21:18] <mbales__> does it have to be going at an appreciable speed before air breathing works?
[21:19] <edmoore> no
[21:19] <edmoore> air breathing works from zero airspeed to about mach 5.5
[21:20] <mbales__> hwo do you get enough air into the rocket at low speeds?
[21:20] <mbales__> compressor?
[21:20] <edmoore> yep
[21:20] <Upu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_BvzoiuoN8&ab_channel=VideoFromSpace
[21:20] <edmoore> compressor operates the whole time
[21:21] <edmoore> although there are bypass vurner cans which actually provide a lot of the thrust in some airbreathing reigimes
[21:21] <mbales__> ah ive seen this before, are you working on the skylon program or something unrelated?
[21:22] <edmoore> i sincerely hope there is only one team working on the sabre engine in the world
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[21:22] <edmoore> otherwise we have a leak :)
[21:22] <mbales__> thats awesome!
[21:22] <mbales__> im pretty jealous im not going to lie
[21:24] <edmoore> well i got it because i got into hab as an undergrad and space stuff through that
[21:24] <edmoore> and this channel was important
[21:24] <edmoore> to hang around
[21:24] <edmoore> so hang around*
[21:24] <mbales__> very cool, and yeah i do plan on sticking around
[21:25] <mbales__> I did a handful of balloon launches for a NASA project but I was just the deisgnated radio operator, did get to do much on the science side
[21:25] <Upu> unrelated but pretty http://i.imgur.com/xkPx7tr.jpg
[21:25] <Upu> from a recent launch
[21:26] <mattbrejza> must have taken a lot of preperation to get such a good pic
[21:26] <mbales__> i shall return, a sad lonely windows 2003 server is calling my name to put it out of its misery
[21:27] <Upu> shutdown /s /t 0
[21:27] <Upu> haha mattbrejza
[21:27] <mattbrejza> ;)
[21:27] <edmoore> is that windows command line horror?
[21:28] <jonsowman> gross isn't it
[21:28] <Upu> more consise than linux*
[21:28] <Upu> sudo shutdown -h now
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[21:28] <Upu> *sudo halt meh
[21:28] <Reb-SM0ULC> Upu: form the sandviken guys?
[21:28] <jonsowman> ubuntu has $ poweroff
[21:28] <Upu> in fairness without sudo its 1 character less
[21:29] <jonsowman> not sure how universal that is
[21:29] <Upu> yes Reb-SM0ULC
[21:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> Upu: just checking :)
[21:29] <Upu> you can have that photo
[21:29] <Upu> you deserve it more than anyone else here
[21:29] <mfa298> jonsowman: I think most linuxs have reboot and poweroff not sure about other *nixs
[21:29] <mfa298> looks like my solaris 10 has poweroff (although not tested it works)
[21:30] <edmoore> larry ellison comes round with a sledge hammer
[21:30] <edmoore> and smashes it to pieces
[21:30] <edmoore> such that it is no longer on
[21:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> Upu: thanks, i'm supposed to get a dvd with the pics/movies they recorded
[21:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> Upu: you saw the other one? http://www.ham.se/attachments/allmant-om-amatorradio/3903d1419970804-hab-gymasieprojekt-i-sandviken-gavleborg-helios-1-side-cam-2.jpg
[21:32] <Upu> yes there is a video too
[21:32] <Upu> http://www.gd.se/gastrikland/sandviken/tv-dromfilmen-fran-stratosfaren
[21:32] <Upu> complete with Sigur ros I think
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[21:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-9 after 0315 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KF5PGW-9
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[22:13] <Scott85> If you're supplying unregulated power to the board, be sure to connect to the "RAW" pin on not VCC.
[22:13] <Scott85> ^ if only I'd read that 30 minutes ago :(
[22:14] <Scott85> I'm going to go through a lot of Arduinos before I get this right lol
[22:15] <daveake> oops
[22:16] <mfa298> think of it as the first occurance of a regular lesson
[22:16] <Scott85> haha
[22:17] <mfa298> I just did similar on a ds18b20 (missed the bit on the data sheet that said bottom view - so connected it up backwards)
[22:20] <Scott85> ah, is that what you use as a temperature sensor?
[22:20] <Scott85> I tried a few analog ones but they were iffy
[22:21] <Scott85> maybe it was just me but I ended up removing the temperature sensor bit eventually
[22:22] <mfa298> a lot of people have used them on habs for temperature. This ones for something different
[22:23] <Scott85> I was using the LM35 and it worked sometimes and sometimes not
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[22:23] <Scott85> I tried a few of them so maybe it was the analog bit of my Arduino that was stuffed
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[23:14] <mattbrejza> 4 nicks
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[23:14] <craag> splitty splitty
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[23:15] <amell> edmoore: when is skylon first flight?
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[23:18] <amell> The video shows skylon docking with the ISS - i suspect ISS will be deorbited before skylon first flight
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[23:20] <amell> oh. looks like he left during the netspllit
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[23:22] <mfa298> oh wow, turned the ds18b20 around so it's not reverse polarity and it works - I was expecting it to have released the magic smoke
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[23:30] <tweetBot> @thecraag: New LoRa HAB Tracker PCBs have arrived! More info at https://t.co/4MCBihr9nP #ukhas http://t.co/y8v2pr3WeL
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