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[00:23] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Oz1zor-11_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=Oz1zor-11_chase
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[06:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-30 after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PS-30
[06:40] <Darkside> woah
[06:40] <Darkside> its still going
[06:40] <Darkside> we might be looking at the first southern hemisphere circumnavigation
[06:47] <lz1dev> !whereis ps-30
[06:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-30 was over 03South Atlantic Ocean 10(-28.948,12.088) at 039876 meters about 0317 minutes ago
[06:47] <lz1dev> that's not helpful at all bot
[06:48] <Darkside> its near south africa
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[07:47] <lz1dev> !ping ps-30
[07:47] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03PS-30 was 03an hour ago
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[08:27] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn
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[08:29] <Reb-SM0ULC> Darkside: the hysplit predicts it will go west..
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[08:31] <Darkside> Reb-SM0ULC: aww
[08:33] <lz1dev> !hysplit run ps-30
[08:33] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[09:36] <jcoxon> SpaceX launch in T-11mins
[09:39] <Darkside> yep
[09:39] <Darkside> watching the nasa stream
[09:39] <jcoxon> i'm watching hte one on the spacex website
[09:39] <jcoxon> is the nasa one better?
[09:40] <Upu> I'm using NASA
[09:40] <Darkside> spacex one had good music before the stream started
[09:40] <Darkside> really good music
[09:41] <jcoxon> Upu when is your printer arriving?
[09:41] <Upu> dunno wondering that myself
[09:41] <Darkside> printer..
[09:41] <Darkside> did you buy a 3d printer?
[09:41] <Upu> yup me and two people at work
[09:41] <Darkside> lol
[09:41] <Darkside> which one..
[09:41] <Upu> Huxley Duo
[09:41] <jcoxon> i think they package them up when you order them so it takes a little while
[09:41] <Darkside> mmk
[09:41] <Darkside> we have a huxley at hackerspace
[09:42] <Darkside> lots of calibration
[09:42] <Darkside> we ended up getting a davinci
[09:42] <Darkside> because it'just worked'
[09:42] <jcoxon> mine is printing very nicely
[09:42] <jcoxon> the latest firmware does some nice autocalibration
[09:42] <Upu> didn't want to spend too much
[09:42] <Darkside> and its a version where you can hack the cartridge verification shit
[09:42] <jcoxon> so isn't so much effort
[09:42] <Upu> dipping toe in etc
[09:42] <jcoxon> currently printing an elephant...
[09:43] <jcoxon> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:257911
[09:44] <jcoxon> hope it doesn't fall over
[09:44] <jcoxon> (the falcon 9 that is)
[09:44] <lz1dev> that tower tilt
[09:45] <Darkside> dat tilt
[09:47] <Darkside> yessss
[09:47] <lz1dev> damn
[09:48] <lz1dev> rip my ears
[09:48] <Darkside> whats that stuff on teh side
[09:48] <Reb-SM0ULC> soooo slow liftoff
[09:50] <jcoxon> now the exciting bit
[09:51] <Darkside> yes
[09:51] <Darkside> will they do it
[09:51] <lz1dev> whats that?
[09:51] <Darkside> landing the first stage on a floating platform
[09:51] <jcoxon> i think they said they won't stream it
[09:51] <Darkside> aww what
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> Alas, likely not
[09:52] <SpeedEvil> they've never covered first stage relights/...
[09:52] <Darkside> i would have thought they would have this time
[09:52] <Darkside> even if it doesnt work it'll still look cool
[09:53] <Reb-SM0ULC> have they turned it?
[09:53] <SpeedEvil> IIRC it was landing about now
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[09:54] <SpeedEvil> 'first and second stage power and telemetry nominal'
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> as the first is now landing...
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> The landing burn is 30s or so down to teh barge
[09:54] <Darkside> they just staid stage 1 engine startup
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> oooh
[09:54] <Darkside> entry shutdown
[09:54] <x-f> what was that water?
[09:54] <Darkside> nah
[09:54] <Darkside> that was inside teh entine
[09:54] <Darkside> fuel tank i mean
[09:55] <SpeedEvil> O2, I think
[09:55] <x-f> camera and lights inside the fuel tank O.o
[09:56] <Darkside> yeah
[09:56] <Darkside> pretty cool
[09:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> 280 km height
[09:56] <Darkside> lots of cheering
[09:57] <Darkside> or somethign from out the back
[09:58] <Darkside> what the hell is that view now
[09:58] <Darkside> oh
[09:58] <Darkside> its the liquid oxygen floating around the tank
[09:58] <Darkside> no more acceleration from teh engine, so it goes everywhere
[09:58] <Darkside> thats amazing
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[09:59] <lz1dev> nice timing
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> Landed by now
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> Or...
[10:00] <Darkside> lol somethign went floating away
[10:00] <Upu> yeah they cut away from that
[10:00] <SpeedEvil> Historically - it's likely to be twitter from musk if it's landed
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[10:02] <lz1dev> more pieces flying off
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[10:05] <SpeedEvil> I do love the 'lava lamps'
[10:05] <Darkside> Rocket made it to drone spaceport ship, but landed hard. Close, but no cigar this time. Bodes well for the future tho.
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> Of course - stage landing would be nice too - that's likely to be a tweet
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: where from?
[10:06] <Darkside> elon musks twitter
[10:06] <Darkside> where else
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:06] <Darkside> i want to see video of that
[10:06] <SpeedEvil> dammit
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> argh.
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> lon Musk @elonmusk 3m3 minutes ago
[10:08] <SpeedEvil> Rocket made it to drone spaceport ship, but landed hard. Close, but no cigar this time. Bodes well for the future tho.
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[10:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> "landed hard" :)
[10:11] <Darkside> Elon Musk @elonmusk 9s10 seconds ago
[10:11] <Darkside> Ship itself is fine. Some of the support equipment on the deck will need to be replaced...
[10:11] <Darkside> goddamnit VIDEO
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[10:11] <Darkside> i want to see a rocket booster crash into a ship
[10:12] <Oddstr13> !payload ps-30
[10:12] <SpacenearUS> 03Oddstr13: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:13] <Oddstr13> !flight ps-30
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Oddstr13: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:13] <Oddstr13> mk..
[10:13] <Darkside> !flight PS-30
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Darkside: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[10:13] <Darkside> huh
[10:13] <Darkside> blame lz1dev
[10:13] <Darkside> its possible the flight doc has expired
[10:13] <Darkside> !whereis ps-30
[10:13] <SpacenearUS> 03Darkside: 03PS-30 was over 03South Atlantic Ocean 10(-28.948,12.088) at 039876 meters about 034 hours ago
[10:13] <lz1dev> not just possible, but a fact
[10:13] <Darkside> heh
[10:14] <lz1dev> !id ps-30
[10:14] <lz1dev> nope
[10:14] Action: Oddstr13 goes to grep some logs
[10:16] <Oddstr13> payload nor flight command has been run sucsessfully in this channel for PS-30
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> hah
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> "
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> Didn't get good landing/impact video. Pitch dark and foggy. Will piece it together from telemetry and ... actual pieces.
[10:16] <Darkside> Elon Musk @elonmusk 1m1 minute ago
[10:16] <Darkside> Didn't get good landing/impact video. Pitch dark and foggy. Will piece it together from telemetry and ... actual pieces.
[10:16] <Darkside> aww
[10:16] <Darkside> snap
[10:17] <Oddstr13> lz1dev: is it possible to reactivate said flight doc?
[10:17] <lz1dev> yes
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[10:38] <Oddstr13> http://picospace.net/?p=552
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[10:50] <fsphil> for sale: robotic boat, used, some wear and tear
[10:50] <Darkside> tis but a scratch
[10:51] <SpeedEvil> The deck is 20mm thick - it's unliekly to be strucutrally damaged
[10:51] <fsphil> yea just some equipment on the deck needs replaced
[10:51] <fsphil> the ship itself is fine
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> more questionable aspect is are there spares attachable within ~15 days or so till next launch
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> itd take more than 15 days to check over this stage
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> worked pretty well imo
[10:55] <Laurenceb__> at least they got the the platform, its an incrimental step
[10:56] <fsphil> yea their aiming was perfect
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[11:14] <SpeedEvil> '15 days' - I mean refurbish the platform to a state it can station-keep
[11:16] <fsphil> hehe yea, I don't think the 1st stage is going to be flying again
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[11:20] <Laurenceb__> ah got you
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[11:21] <Laurenceb__> well another achievement - proved the platforms is apparently strong enough to resist a failure
[11:21] <Laurenceb__> thats good too
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[11:28] <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the containers grew a metal roof
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[11:45] <jededu> ping daveake
[11:46] <daveake> pong
[11:46] <jededu> Hi daveake did you get a chance to look at the BMP085
[11:47] <daveake> No - been a bit under the weather the last week or so
[11:47] <daveake> I'll take a look later today or tomorrow
[11:47] <daveake> I have 085 and 180 so I'll test both
[11:48] <jededu> Np I put it on the logic I have a data pulse and a clock pulse
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[11:48] <jededu> If I have to get a 180 let me know :)
[11:49] <daveake> Nah it /should/ work with either
[11:50] <jededu> I have tested the modules by the way
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[11:52] <daveake> ok
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[12:37] <alxwntr> Afternoon
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[12:38] <alxwntr> I was wondering if I could ask some basic questions about the NTX2B module
[12:38] <alxwntr> Sorry for the basic nature, but I'm just trying to get to grips with it
[12:38] <alxwntr> and the HAB Supplies page said to ask here
[12:38] <craag> You're in the right place :)
[12:38] <craag> ask away
[12:38] <alxwntr> cool!
[12:38] <alxwntr> thanks
[12:40] <alxwntr> it's just that I bought a module a while ago
[12:40] <alxwntr> intending to get a HAB project up and running and then life took over
[12:40] <alxwntr> :)
[12:40] <alxwntr> and it sat there doing nthing for a while
[12:40] <alxwntr> I'm now back to it and have bought a radio (Yupiteru MVT7100)
[12:40] <alxwntr> but I am unable to get anything out of the module
[12:40] <alxwntr> I was wondering if it has been damaged
[12:40] <alxwntr> and thought there might be an easy way of testing it
[12:40] <craag> Ok, describe how you've connected the module up
[12:41] <alxwntr> I just went back to basics and loaded up the simple code from UKHAS.org
[12:41] <alxwntr> using the two tones/pwm, etc
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[12:41] <alxwntr> 5V into VCC and enable
[12:42] <alxwntr> GND to 0V
[12:42] <craag> Ok, you've checked that there is 5V with a multimeter?
[12:42] <alxwntr> pin9 controlling TXD
[12:43] <craag> With just Vcc, EN and GND connected you should be able to get a single tone out of it
[12:43] <craag> Then you can move onto keying it with the mcu
[12:43] <alxwntr> damn - out of battery
[12:43] <alxwntr> will do
[12:43] <alxwntr> but I've tried two different Arduinos
[12:43] <alxwntr> and both give nothing
[12:43] <craag> Hmm, what settings are you using on the radio?
[12:44] <alxwntr> ah ok
[12:44] <alxwntr> USB mode
[12:44] <alxwntr> freq set to that of the radio (434.375MHz)
[12:44] <craag> Ok, have you tried tuning up and down a bit to find the tone?
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[12:44] <alxwntr> yup
[12:45] <alxwntr> up and down a few kHz
[12:45] <craag> You don't happen to have an rtlsdr handy do you?
[12:45] <craag> try 10KHz or so in each direction
[12:45] <craag> (rtlsdr, being very wideband, makes finding the signal trivial)
[12:47] <alxwntr> ok - will try more variation
[12:47] <alxwntr> no, sorry
[12:47] <alxwntr> I have a dongle but switched to Linux
[12:47] <alxwntr> and haven't wrestled with getting it installed yet
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[12:48] <craag> alxwntr: Don't need to install it as such, jsut install gqrx :)
[12:48] <craag> (ubuntu here)
[12:48] <alxwntr> ok
[12:48] <alxwntr> ah right
[12:48] <alxwntr> I'm on Mint 17
[12:49] <alxwntr> is it pretty straightforward getting it working?
[12:49] <craag> That's ubuntu 14.04 based iirc
[12:49] <craag> Yeah there's a ppa here: https://launchpad.net/~gqrx/+archive/ubuntu/releases
[12:49] <craag> Add that, then 'sudo apt-get install gqrx'
[12:50] <craag> It's not nearly as nice to look at as sdrsharp and the like, but it does the job
[12:50] <alxwntr> ok cool
[12:50] <alxwntr> I'll check it out
[12:50] <alxwntr> not looking good with the NTX2B though,eh?
[12:50] <craag> One more thing to try
[12:51] <craag> *very* small chance this'll work
[12:51] <alxwntr> ok shoot
[12:51] <craag> with Vcc and Gnd untouched. Connect EN to ground, then back to Vcc.
[12:51] <craag> Then have another look for it.
[12:51] <craag> (Basically reset the module, but keep power connected)
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[12:53] <alxwntr> trying now...
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[12:54] <alxwntr> hooray for *very* small chances!!
[12:54] <craag> working?
[12:55] <alxwntr> what the hell did that do
[12:55] <craag> There was a small batch of them with faulty firmware
[12:56] <alxwntr> it's whistling away nicely now
[12:56] <alxwntr> I wonder how it stopped
[12:56] <alxwntr> ha
[12:56] <alxwntr> just my luck
[12:57] <alxwntr> hmm
[12:57] <alxwntr> having turned it off I had to reset it again
[12:57] <alxwntr> will I need to do that every time?
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[13:01] <alxwntr> I mean, if there's a certain mode that it defaults to without me knowing how or why, it seems risky to rely on it for a flight
[13:01] <alxwntr> (tried some RTTY and it's werbling away nicely now)
[13:01] <craag> Send Anthony an email about it and he may be able to help you out with a replacement
[13:01] <craag> Yes you would - hence a replacement would be better :)
[13:01] <craag> If you want to keep testing for today, wire EN to the AVR, write HIGH to it and pulse it LOW every time you start.
[13:01] <craag> Yep I wouldn't fly it
[13:01] <craag> Talk to Anthony :)
[13:02] <craag> He did his best to trace the whole batch, but a couple have cropped up since.
[13:03] <alxwntr> thanks a lot!
[13:03] <alxwntr> I will get hold of Anthony
[13:04] <alxwntr> is he the person that runs HAB Supplies?
[13:04] <craag> Yep
[13:04] <alxwntr> ok cheers
[13:05] <alxwntr> thank you so much for helping me
[13:05] <craag> He's sometimes also in here at Upu, but not at the moment.
[13:05] <craag> *as Upu
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[13:05] <craag> np, good luck with the rest of it!
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[13:13] <Upu> hi alxwntr
[13:13] <alxwntr> Hey!
[13:13] <Upu> wow
[13:13] <Upu> really
[13:13] <alxwntr> was just writing a message
[13:13] <Upu> thought I'd cleared all those up :/
[13:14] <alxwntr> no worries!
[13:14] <Upu> what was your original order number ?
[13:14] <alxwntr> looks like it's fixed now
[13:14] <alxwntr> hang on
[13:14] <alxwntr> I'll try to find it
[13:14] <Upu> or PM the name you ordered it under
[13:15] <alxwntr> 1406?
[13:15] <Upu> gosh :)
[13:15] <Upu> yes Feb
[13:16] <Upu> can you send that back to me ? I can reprogram it with the FA firmware for you which doesn't have the fault
[13:16] <alxwntr> oh ok
[13:16] <alxwntr> Jesus - was it that long ago?
[13:16] <alxwntr> ha!
[13:16] <Upu> 28/02/14 :)
[13:16] <alxwntr> life took over and I had no time
[13:16] <alxwntr> :)
[13:16] <alxwntr> ok
[13:17] <alxwntr> I can send it back
[13:17] <Upu> do you need it urgently ?
[13:18] <alxwntr> can you send me the address?
[13:18] <alxwntr> well, not really
[13:18] <alxwntr> I'm just getting things up and running
[13:18] <Upu> ok I'll refund your postage
[13:18] <alxwntr> bit disappointing, but don't worry
[13:18] <alxwntr> oh cheers :)
[13:19] <Upu> actually don't worry about it
[13:19] <Upu> come to the conference and give it to me
[13:19] <Upu> I'll send you a new one on Monday
[13:19] <alxwntr> has the date been fixed yet?
[13:19] <Upu> not yet
[13:19] <alxwntr> ok
[13:20] <Upu> we are just looking at venues at the moment
[13:20] <alxwntr> I was following that thread
[13:20] <alxwntr> is it definitely going to be in London?
[13:20] <Upu> yes
[13:21] <alxwntr> it did occur to me that, although it would take longer for people in the SE to get anywhere else, e.g. Midlands, it would be a lot cheaper and there;s not much of a travel penalty for most other regions
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[13:22] <alxwntr> accom is v expensive in London
[13:22] <alxwntr> and I can't imaging the venues are cheap either
[13:22] <Upu> thats the issue
[13:22] <Upu> well Greenwich advised £60 a night
[13:22] <Upu> which is goofd
[13:22] <Upu> but really limits our dates
[13:23] <alxwntr> sure
[13:23] <alxwntr> well, I'm sure you'll find the best place
[13:23] <Upu> I like Greenwich just the ludicrous hotel prices
[13:24] <alxwntr> yeah it's a wonderful place
[13:25] <Upu> you can use that NTX2B you just need to toggle EN with a GPIO
[13:25] <Upu> you can't hold it up
[13:25] <alxwntr> is Brum (for example) really not an option?
[13:25] <Upu> it limits out international people
[13:25] <Upu> some people come just for the day
[13:26] <alxwntr> by rail or air?
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[13:26] <alxwntr> cos rail links great with Eurostar from pancras
[13:27] <alxwntr> but I guess if air links are rubbish that kind of kills it
[13:27] <alxwntr> what length of pulse do I need for the EN pin?
[13:28] <Upu> not much
[13:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD0SCM - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KD0SCM
[13:28] <Upu> 100ms
[13:28] <alxwntr> ok
[13:30] <alxwntr> so, for general operation, EN must go LOW-HIGH-LOW and then held LOW from then on?
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[13:30] <alxwntr> if I code that into setup{}, will it fix the issue?
[13:30] <craag> other way round
[13:30] <Upu> LOW -> HIGH
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[13:30] <alxwntr> ah ok
[13:31] <Upu> i.e turn it off and back on again :)
[13:31] <alxwntr> so if it just starts HIGH it doesn;'t work, is that it?
[13:31] <Upu> general IT fix
[13:31] <Upu> yes
[13:31] <craag> yes, put that in setup
[13:31] <alxwntr> haha
[13:31] <Upu> the reason is
[13:31] <alxwntr> the old MS solution
[13:31] <Upu> Radiometrix initially did a fixed frequency firmware
[13:31] <Upu> then they sent a few out which had a frequency agile firmware on but it wasn't documented
[13:32] <Upu> that one you have if you know the commands can be changed frequency
[13:32] <alxwntr> oh cool
[13:32] <alxwntr> probably won't need that
[13:32] <alxwntr> but it might come in handy
[13:32] <Upu> the EN pin you can send serial commands to it
[13:32] <Upu> which is the source of the issues
[13:32] <alxwntr> right
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[13:37] <paul_HAB-P> I'm about to trim down my 1/4wave built from the excellent guide - however, i got a bit curious. So I tapped 433Mhz into a wavelength converter and got back 692mm. Whats the relationship between this and the 164mm recommended radiator length?
[13:38] <paul_HAB-P> should it read 173 mm instead?
[13:38] <mfa298> paul_HAB-P: 692 will be the complete wavelength (300/F(mhz) = Wavelength (m))
[13:38] <mfa298> then antenna is a 1/4 wave so divide that by 4
[13:39] <paul_HAB-P> yup - but shouldn't the guide say 173mm?
[13:39] <mfa298> then the speed of light is actually slower in copper - In that antenna configuration it's around 95%
[13:39] <mfa298> which takes it to 164
[13:39] <paul_HAB-P> Awesome.
[13:39] <paul_HAB-P> thats blown my mind - so in general you would take 95%?
[13:40] <mfa298> In coax cable it's even slower - something like 66%,
[13:40] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor
[13:40] <paul_HAB-P> thanks!
[13:40] <mfa298> but for wire antennas that are dipole / yagi / ground plane 95% is about right.
[13:43] <mfa298> That's the reason why some things where latency is critical (US stock exchange I think does this) use microwave links rather than copper or fibre optic for longer distance network links as it can make a significant difference.
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[13:44] <paul_HAB-P> Cool thanks :)
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[14:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC0UUO-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KC0UUO-11
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[14:41] <alxwntr> Hiya people - can anyone help out with pointing me towards a resource that has details of the recommended syntax for radio transmission?
[14:41] <alxwntr> i assume there's a standard format for GPS, temp, etc, but I can't find the info
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[14:42] <Upu> !wiki protocol
[14:42] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Found 034 results for you query - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=search&id=protocol
[14:42] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol?s[]=protocol
[14:42] <alxwntr> protocol! That's the term I needed
[14:43] <alxwntr> thanks - I was looking for syntax
[14:43] <Upu> :)
[14:43] <Upu> the wiki is comprehensive
[14:43] <Upu> if you know what to look for :)
[14:43] <ian_> or even if you don't :)
[14:43] <alxwntr> :)
[14:43] <Upu> true :)
[14:48] <edmoore> it's also a labrynth
[14:48] <edmoore> if you think that something should be there but you can;t find it, ask here
[14:48] <edmoore> we might know the right combination of clicks and incantations and goat slaughterings to find it
[14:49] <Upu> lol
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[14:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03K0SCC-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=K0SCC-11
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[14:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPITS after 036 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=EDUPITS
[15:02] <jededu> Ping upu
[15:02] <Upu> o7
[15:02] <jededu> Oi lol
[15:02] <jededu> how much shift is PITS set up for
[15:02] <Upu> 600
[15:03] <jededu> on fldigi
[15:03] <jededu> ahh ok thx
[15:04] <edmoore> two spaces
[15:04] <jededu> thought it was a bit wide at 900 :)
[15:04] <edmoore> three spaces
[15:04] <edmoore> four spaces but never a tab
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[17:51] <SpeedEvil> F9 landing failed due to too little hydraulic fluid.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> yay for easy fixes.
[17:52] <edmoore> er...
[17:52] <edmoore> i doubt it's as simple as someone just put one jug in instead of two
[17:52] <edmoore> that could be quite a serious fuel management issue
[17:52] <edmoore> especially as usually the fuel propellant is also the hydroalic fluid
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[17:53] <edmoore> you bleed a bit off from the turbopump output
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[17:57] <SpeedEvil> It actually is one jug instead of two
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> you care about launch mass - so you try to optimise down everything
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> The grid fins need to work when the engine is off
[17:58] <Laurenceb__> yeah this was confusing me massively
[17:58] <Laurenceb__> i didnt get how they were going to make it work
[17:59] <Laurenceb__> with relight and stuff it must get pretty complex
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> they're doing amazingly
[18:01] <qyx_> whats the topix, has spacex started yet?
[18:01] <qyx_> *topic
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> They smashed a rocket on the barge earlier today.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> The cause has been found, and was as simple as too little hydraulic fluid.
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> to run the aerodynamic fins.
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[18:07] <edmoore> SpeedEvil, do you know this for sure?
[18:08] <edmoore> you don't just 'run out' of hydraulic fluid in hydraulic systems
[18:08] <edmoore> they're closed
[18:10] <edmoore> so i'd still think that the hydraulic system is tapped from the main kerosene fuel tank
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[18:13] <Laurenceb__> maybe some sort of instability during retro burn fire up?
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[18:15] <Adam012> Good evening all.
[18:15] <Adam012> Has anyone online at the moment ever launched in the morning before sunrise?
[18:16] <edmoore> yes
[18:16] <M6XiMaN> I think jededu does a fair few before sunrise launches
[18:16] <edmoore> that's me holding fill rig https://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/3741598773/in/set-72157621752577188
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[18:17] <edmoore> dawn pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/3740895090/in/set-72157621752577188
[18:17] <Adam012> Hi edmoore, we're planning a flight (1600g balloon, 5m/s ascent rate) from the Barmouth Estury at ~4am on 18th April this year in an effort to capture the sunrise at altitude.
[18:17] <edmoore> have done it a few times
[18:17] <Adam012> That's great! Was it easy to get CAA permission?
[18:18] <fsphil> shorts before sunrise. brave choice
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: I'm assuming it's a blow-down of a fixed tank volume
[18:18] <craag> cool! I'm planning to do the same with a 100g hwoyee :)
[18:18] <edmoore> we had a blanket notam
[18:18] <Adam012> We can't find an ATC Tower open in the area at that time.
[18:18] <edmoore> we could launch whenever we wante
[18:18] <edmoore> wanted*
[18:18] <edmoore> such an arrangement is probably not possible to get now
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: and that's what he tweeted.
[18:19] <Adam012> The photo is stunning. Did you have to call ATC?
[18:19] <edmoore> they weren;t open then
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[18:20] <daveake> sunset might be a better option as you get more time with the sun low (because the balloon is rising as the sun is falling)
[18:20] <Adam012> Was it an issue? We have to put down the nearest airport and also agree to call the nearest ATC but they won't be open in Wales and John Lennon Liverpool doesn't cover the area.
[18:21] <edmoore> Adam012, i'm not really sure
[18:21] <Adam012> We joked about capturing the sunset and playing the video in reverse!
[18:21] <daveake> For that I'd call and ask
[18:21] <edmoore> as i said, when i was involved with hab there were about four launchers in the country
[18:21] <edmoore> we could get more flexible arrangements
[18:21] <edmoore> i understand that cusf has since had the blanket notam removed by the caa
[18:21] <Adam012> The skies have got a little busy with balloons above the UK of late.
[18:22] <fsphil> not so many launches in the last few months. terrible conditions
[18:22] <Adam012> Thanks edmoore, it was a stretch. I've emailed the CAA and will call if I don't hear from them in a few weeks.
[18:22] <edmoore> good idea
[18:22] <daveake> you won't hear
[18:22] <edmoore> calling often is required
[18:23] <daveake> not till just before launch
[18:23] <edmoore> as they're not so responsive to emails
[18:23] <daveake> In my experience, if you have a question, you won't get an answer by email
[18:24] <edmoore> amusingly if you look at the wikipedia page for multiple monitors, someone is using a panorama from our flight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-monitor#mediaviewer/File:Oto_godfrey-multi_screen_studio.jpg
[18:24] <Adam012> I'm taking 8-10 pupils to Wales from Walsall to stay overnight so last minute permission is going to be tricky (I normally contact David at the CAA a few days in advance to chase notices we sen in more than 31 days in advance).
[18:24] <edmoore> i recommend giving him a call
[18:24] <fsphil> normal
[18:24] <edmoore> and mentioning the education side
[18:25] <edmoore> he's reasonable, just not especially proactive
[18:25] <mattbrejza> the proceedure has changed a bit and its now a bit more flexible
[18:25] <mattbrejza> and you dont have to have a notam for ages and lots of calls
[18:26] <Adam012> Thanks, the pupils have made a sunrise calculator for this that adjusts sunrise times based on altitude so it is a big project for them (I'm even getting them to write a paper on their research which we'll publish on our site along with the calculator which has been programmed in VB)
[18:26] <edmoore> excellent stuff
[18:26] <edmoore> calculating how far the horizon is from altitude is a nice way of illustrating pythagoras
[18:27] <edmoore> and for more advanced pupils, notions of coordinate systems that various things like gps use because the earth isn't a proper sphere
[18:27] <Adam012> Exactly (I'm a maths teacher and try to put a maths slant on the project as well as looking at the physics and engineering aspects).
[18:28] <edmoore> well this sounds excellent
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[18:28] <Adam012> Thank you to everyone for your advice. Its great that the UK has such a supportive community for HAB projects.
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[18:29] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: also - grid fins are at top, kerosene tank is at bottom.
[18:29] <edmoore> i don't follow why that's all that relevent
[18:29] <edmoore> Adam012, many of us got into hab as a way of learning new things
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[18:29] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[18:29] <edmoore> it's what it's all about
[18:29] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[18:30] <edmoore> i've benefited tremendously from it
[18:30] <Adam012> I've learned a lot and I'm thinking about a change of career and getting involved with engineering (34 doesn't seem to old to be making a change).
[18:32] Action: SpeedEvil wants to hear about Skylon landing incidents.
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> Someone really needs to fund it.
[18:32] <edmoore> i suspect the teaching experience will me invaluable
[18:33] <edmoore> be*
[18:33] <fsphil> you do pick up a lot of useful ideas and info here
[18:34] <fsphil> lots of the projects I'm doing now can be traced back to things I learned doing hab
[18:34] <edmoore> same
[18:34] <edmoore> the entire space thing
[18:34] <edmoore> i'm in propulsion now but it's all traceable back to hab
[18:34] <edmoore> as a student
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[18:39] <Adam012> Edmoore - I used to follow CUSF's adventures back in 2011 - were you involved in it back then or had you left by that point?
[18:40] <edmoore> i graduated in 2010
[18:40] <edmoore> moved to oxford
[18:40] <edmoore> but i did the martlet 1 rocket in 2012
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[18:41] <edmoore> with some other aging cusf members of my vintage :)
[18:42] <edmoore> but really my active ballooning bit was 2006-2010
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: hey
[18:44] <craag> evening Lunar_Lander
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[18:44] <edmoore> SpeedEvil, yes that would be good
[18:44] <craag> good ta, you?
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good too, thanks :()
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> *:)
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[18:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-30 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=PS-30
[18:52] <Laurenceb__> PS-30 == Pwns-30
[18:52] <edmoore> spemdid
[18:52] <edmoore> splendid*
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[18:53] <Laurenceb__> erm
[18:53] <Laurenceb__> position hasnt updated
[18:54] <Laurenceb__> oh
[18:54] <Laurenceb__> F5
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[18:58] <lz1dev> !whereis ps-30
[18:58] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-30 was over 03South Atlantic Ocean 10(-28.842,12.011) at 039607 meters about 039 minutes ago
[18:59] <lz1dev> slighly different position
[18:59] <Laurenceb__> probably best bet for receiving in europe atm
[18:59] <Laurenceb__> anyone got a good antenna?
[19:00] <lz1dev> hmm very strange
[19:01] <Laurenceb__> ?
[19:01] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/hT2k81A.png
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[19:04] <Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/553964281025548289
[19:04] <Laurenceb__> wut
[19:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=WB8ELK-1
[19:04] <Laurenceb__> maybe
[19:04] <Laurenceb__> the prediction is often off quite a bit at low windspeed
[19:05] <fsphil> doing circles again perhaps
[19:05] <Laurenceb__> and there is a lot of divergence between ground tracks
[19:05] <lz1dev> i doubt hysplit is that bad
[19:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=KJ4TDM-1
[19:05] <fsphil> there won't be much wind data out there
[19:05] <lz1dev> each dot on teh track is 1 hr
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[19:06] <lz1dev> !hysplit run ps-30
[19:06] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[19:06] <qyx_> time to finish my hfsdr
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[19:09] <lz1dev> new hysplit almost the same
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[19:10] <lz1dev> wierd, probably a bug in something
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[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=N4XWC-1
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[19:21] <Laurenceb__> falcon9 is weird
[19:21] <Laurenceb__> i thought they didnt have a hydralic circuit
[19:21] <Laurenceb__> maybe they changed that to allow relight
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> The grid fins are at the very top of the stage
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> It's unlikely they rely on RP1 for the fluid
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> (as the oxidiser tank is at the top)
[19:22] <SpeedEvil> the engines do use RP1 for TVC
[19:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BCoDwGTpYQs#t=458 @7:42 - image of stage doing burn witth deployed grid-fins in the monitor on the top left
[19:29] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> whats the right picture at 12:36?
[19:31] <SpeedEvil> Inside of the stage 2 oxygen tank
[19:32] <Darkside> i loved it when the first stage stopped burning
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> It's pretty awesome
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> It gets better
[19:32] <Darkside> and the LOX just floated around
[19:32] <Darkside> was soo cool
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> cool indeed at -180°C
[19:34] <Darkside> yesm
[19:35] <Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2mK0GNp_TU&feature=youtu.be
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[20:03] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PISKY - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=PISKY
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[21:24] <storm__> hi all
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[23:02] <tweetBot> @daveake: LoRa balloon uplink power amplifier #UKHAS http://t.co/ILImIed4C4
[23:04] <Reb-SM0ULC> cool
[23:05] <daveake> Well might as well use that license :p
[23:07] <Reb-SM0ULC> hehe
[23:09] <jededu> sudo reboot
[23:09] <daveake> nooooooooooooooooooo
[23:11] <mfa298> could be worse, could have been: sudo rm -rf /
[23:12] <mfa298> or as some consultants I came across once did "mv /lib /lib.old" as they were having some library issues.
[23:12] <craag> heh
[23:13] <daveake> I worked with someone who did "cd /something" and then "rm -rf *" but got the first bit wrong
[23:13] <lz1dev> classic
[23:13] <daveake> I've never seen anyone hit the Break key so rapidly or with such force
[23:13] <mfa298> the comment from the sysadmin who had to fix that was, well at least they only renamed it, rebuilding would have been a nightmare
[23:13] <craag> I hope dave sanitises his uplink message on pits
[23:14] <craag> command injection in orbit :D
[23:14] <daveake> I haven't released the code :)
[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LU7DH_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/#!qm=All&q=LU7DH_chase
[23:14] <lz1dev> i think the best moment for cutdown injection attack is 3 seconds after release
[23:14] <craag> '; sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /;
[23:15] <daveake> safe to say, the uplink message isn't just sent to a shell :)
[23:15] <craag> ah ok, not all written in bash then ;)
[23:16] <daveake> er, no :-)
[23:16] <daveake> But for the next habaxe, I might send "SET X=-1"
[23:16] <daveake> kaboom
[23:16] <mfa298> first hab vulnerable to shellshock
[23:17] <daveake> Well I did the first hab that downloaded kernel panic messages ....
[23:17] <craag> mfa298: Ah, but we've already seen he regularly patches - even midflight ;)
[23:18] <mfa298> other interesting attack would be seeing how things cope with +++
[23:18] <daveake> Oh, and remember that one where at night the SSDV sent some preloaded messages, including a Windows blue screen?
[23:18] <daveake> s/messages/images/
[23:18] <craag> daveake: That was the one I was referring to
[23:18] <gonzo_> out of cheese error +++ redo from start
[23:18] <daveake> sry :?
[23:18] <daveake> :)
[23:18] <craag> I remember one was "Windows is installing update 1 of 9000..."
[23:18] <daveake> Someone on my blog asked how I managed to photograph a Windows PC monitor on a balloon ....
[23:19] <gonzo_> I almost heard that penny drop!
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[23:19] <craag> lol
[23:20] <daveake> 3-+
[23:20] <daveake> .25123
[23:20] <daveake> .320.
[23:20] <daveake> er sorry had to wipre tea frmo my kbd :/
[23:21] <mfa298> sounds like a challenge
[23:21] <mfa298> and with the cheap windows tablets out there probably not a hard challenge
[23:24] <mattbrejza> 'out of cheese error' is what we made the HP laser printers say on their screens while at school
[23:25] <Upu> technically you're not allowed to use your license for that Dave
[23:25] <Upu> as its only valid for another amateur station
[23:25] <Upu> which it can't be as its airborne
[23:25] <mfa298> mattbrejza: postscript while 1 loop is also fun, although not just before handin day
[23:25] <Upu> and thats nor permitted
[23:25] <Upu> however
[23:25] <Upu> the rules are bollocks
[23:25] <Upu> set phasers to 7W
[23:25] <Upu> transmit
[23:26] <mattbrejza> what rule is this?
[23:26] <Upu> your license only covers you for transmitting to other amateur radio stations
[23:26] <Darkside> Upu: more like 5W
[23:26] <mattbrejza> i thought ofcom responded with 'meh'?
[23:26] <daveake> Upu I'll send the message to you then, and it might get overheard by the balloon
[23:26] <Upu> rgr that
[23:26] <mattbrejza> after they wer easked?
[23:26] <Upu> which is exactly why its silly
[23:27] <daveake> Yeah didn't ofcom say "not up to us to decide"?
[23:27] <gonzo_> the disc world hex message is obviously lost on anyone who never did old style basic
[23:27] <Darkside> hrm is that second antenna on daves box 433MHz too?
[23:27] <Upu> no they just confirmed the license conditions without clarifying
[23:27] <craag> unless someone complains of being interfered with - ofcom aren't allowed to do anything about it
[23:27] <daveake> Darkside It is
[23:27] <craag> chances of that are acceptable nil imo
[23:27] <Darkside> daveake: hrm
[23:27] <Upu> exactly
[23:27] <daveake> hrm?
[23:27] <Darkside> daveake: that module is going to get hammered whenever you transmit
[23:27] <daveake> Well it's not dead yet
[23:28] <gonzo_> yep, ofcom write the licence docs but are not allowd to carify them....
[23:28] <mfa298> of course if daveake sends the transmission to another HAM and the balloon happens to pick it up and act on it that's the balloons problem for not dealing with interferrence correctly
[23:28] <daveake> and in practice the BNC will have a yagi on it pointing up
[23:28] <mattbrejza> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/ukhas/nDoeUX7OqYs/GBbGbHjmDy4J for ref
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[23:32] <amell> talking about mistakes people have made?
[23:32] <amell> i once mounted my root filesystem as the swap partition as well.
[23:32] <amell> system started doing very strange things about 2 weeks later.
[23:34] <tweetBot> @fth_nix: "@daveake: LoRa balloon uplink power amplifier #UKHAS http://t.co/bFkeeLELVr"
[23:34] <tweetBot> The king of high pi
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[23:55] <chrisstubbs> "However, if you should receive reports that you are causing interference due to any signal emanating from the balloon, you should cease transmission as quickly as practicable."
[23:55] <chrisstubbs> Did they get a little mixed up there?
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