highaltitude.log.20150106

[00:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PS-30 after 0311 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PS-30
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
[00:14] <fsphil> night
[00:14] <fsphil> yay ps-30
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[00:14] <lz1dev> the range on wspr is impressive
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[00:15] <fsphil> very
[00:16] <fsphil> not too reliable, but then it only needs the odd position now and then
[00:17] <lz1dev> it's great for the south hemisphere
[00:17] <fsphil> yea other than australia there isn't much land area
[00:18] <fsphil> that said, wspr would be handy over russia
[00:19] <fsphil> nice thing about this too, it may still be received near the ground
[00:19] <lz1dev> what do you mean?
[00:19] <lz1dev> when it lands?
[00:19] <fsphil> if it starts falling
[00:19] <fsphil> odds are this one will end in the ocean, doubt it would work there
[00:20] <fsphil> if if it developed a slow leak we'd see it
[00:21] <fsphil> guessing this is solar powered
[00:21] <lz1dev> yep
[00:21] <fsphil> any pictures or details published?
[00:21] <lz1dev> don't think so
[00:21] <lz1dev> last time i checked their site
[00:21] <lz1dev> it was ps-29
[00:21] <fsphil> http://picospace.net/
[00:21] <fsphil> solar, 25mw transmitter
[00:21] <lz1dev> oh
[00:21] <fsphil> nice!
[00:21] <lz1dev> they updated
[00:22] <fsphil> oooh it is dual band
[00:22] <fsphil> 30m and 20m
[00:22] <fsphil> and dual mode
[00:22] <lz1dev> using the old tracker
[00:22] <lz1dev> \fod
[00:22] <lz1dev>  _ 
[00:23] <fsphil> haha
[00:23] <fsphil> diss
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[00:24] <fsphil> they have the new tracker embedded on their website
[00:24] <fsphil> doesn't seem to load
[00:24] <lz1dev> loads for me
[00:24] <lz1dev> firefox?
[00:25] <fsphil> yea
[00:25] <lz1dev> i need to check if their fix actually works
[00:25] <lz1dev> gotto install aurora
[00:25] <lz1dev> release is set for 7th of april
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[00:26] <lz1dev> i don't think they know it runs the hysplit for them
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[05:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DB1OFH-3 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=DB1OFH-3
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[08:09] <slapplebags> hello all
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[08:11] <fsphil> morning
[08:11] <number10> morning
[08:12] <slapplebags> quick question for anyone interested
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[08:13] <slapplebags> what sensors would you like to see on an open source APRS board?
[08:13] <slapplebags> besides the usual barometric pressure, temp, humidity
[08:13] <slapplebags> I've got my first prototype done and I'm looking for improvements for V2
[08:14] <mfa298> knowing where in the world it is so it can choose an appropriate frequency (and whether it's legal to transmit in that area)
[08:15] <mfa298> although interest in aprs boards here may be a bit low as all the UK folk can't use them on balloons.
[08:16] <slapplebags> yes i have considered that for a later version once I've gotten a little better with my radio design
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[08:16] <slapplebags> ah didnt realize this was largely a UK board
[08:17] <fsphil> or wspr. would've been nice to play with that
[08:17] <mfa298> probably nearer 50% UK now. I think it used to be a much higher UK proportion
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[08:18] <slapplebags> ooo, hadnt heard of wspr before, that is interesting, I'll have to do some more reading on that
[08:19] <slapplebags> so lets ignore the APRS bit for now, what would you like to see on a small as possible radio location transmitter as far as sensors
[08:21] <mfa298> I think you've covered the basics, people have done all sorts of things but I'm not sure designing a board for everything is going to work.
[08:21] <slapplebags> well no it will not, but im hoping that someone will think of something i've missed that should be on a ballon, I cant be that smart
[08:22] <mfa298> some of the things I can remember quickly that have been tried or talked about are: UV sensors, lightning detctors, polution detection, xrays, radio spectrum analysis
[08:23] <mfa298> as well as cameras
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[08:23] <fsphil> gpio, adc lines, spi or i2c lines. keep it generic, people can add anything then
[08:24] <fsphil> gpio would be useful for cut-downs for example
[08:24] <slapplebags> i have looked into a camera, I like the alcam (recent kickstarted I bought into) for that. A lightning detector is an interesting one I hadnt heard of before
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[08:25] <slapplebags> I dont have any ADC but I did make SPI / i2c available as well as a digital pin or two.
[08:25] <fsphil> the alcam was pretty expensive
[08:26] <fsphil> if you where to go down the camera route, I'd just have the stm32 has your cpu and connect the sensor directly
[08:26] <slapplebags> yes it was, in retrospect I could have built it but I was feeling lazy at the time
[08:26] <fsphil> something for V3 maybe
[08:26] <slapplebags> yeah exactly, I havent gone down the 32 bit road much yet
[08:26] <slapplebags> i like the shallow pool that is 8 bit
[08:26] <mfa298> the problem is most of those get more specialist so spending time on adding them to a design for a couple of possible users doesn't sounds the best use of time. as fsphil having common busses and some gpio on a useful header layout so others can add their own is probably a better route (a bit like the arduino way of doing thigns)
[08:27] <fsphil> the alcam board wouldn't be a huge step from what I'd like my next payload to be. just add gps and radio module
[08:27] <slapplebags> well I'll have to let you know when V3 comes out then
[08:27] <slapplebags> haha
[08:28] <fsphil> should be a bit more power friendly than a pi
[08:28] <slapplebags> I'm building this around the trackuino project, using a low power 328p variant, and such to keep power down
[08:29] <diegoesep> hello fsphil, which stm32 do you plan to use for the camera?
[08:29] <diegoesep> will you use one with DCMI interface or regular gpio with DMA?
[08:29] <slapplebags> I did my first power draw test tonight and found it pulling over an amp during transmit so I've got some fat to trim
[08:29] <fsphil> just what i have atm, got an stm32f4 discovery board. possibly overkill for the final board
[08:29] <fsphil> and likely DMA, seems a lot easier
[08:30] <slapplebags> yeah thats what I thought as well
[08:30] <diegoesep> ok
[08:30] <slapplebags> theres a fair amount of documentation out there for DMA
[08:30] <slapplebags> for cameras
[08:30] <diegoesep> the biggest issue will be to have enough RAM to store a jpeg frame in it
[08:31] <fsphil> aye
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[08:31] <fsphil> not a program for the chip on the f4 disc, it hwas 192 KB
[08:31] <fsphil> problem*
[08:32] <mfa298> over an amp! I think the best payloads people here have done will do 70+ hours from a single AA cell.
[08:32] <fsphil> STM32F407VGT6 .. such a lovely name
[08:33] <fsphil> what radio are you using? that seems quite harsh
[08:33] <slapplebags> yeah its a bit beastly at the moment, my goal is to get 24 hrs out of a AA cell but 70 would be nice
[08:33] <slapplebags> radiometrix HX1 for now
[08:34] <slapplebags> later I plan on building my own but I'd like to fly this one first
[08:34] <fsphil> not actually measured my hx1's power consumption
[08:35] <slapplebags> the datasheet says nominal 140ma during transmit IIRC
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[08:35] <mfa298> from memory it's 5v supply and 300mW output so should be much lower than an amp
[08:36] <slapplebags> yes i agree, I'm not sure why its drawing so much, it is likely my multimeter being slow. I plan on testing it on an o-scope this week to get some more accurate readings
[08:38] <fsphil> if you had some kind of frequency agile radio, you could adjust the frequency to match the country (or indeed stop transmitting if it's a country that doesn't allow it)
[08:39] <slapplebags> yeah, I've found a module that can do 140 - 900mhz but the front end hardware is the hard part to change
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[08:39] <fsphil> and as a bonus it could do live images
[08:42] <fsphil> though that'll be a challange with a 328p
[08:42] <slapplebags> yeah its possible, just very slow
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[08:47] <slapplebags> has anyone here flown or made their own mylar balloons?
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[08:51] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar flew heptax
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/
[08:52] <slapplebags> oh man, I've been looking into his flights and theyre ridiculous
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> it was almost certainly made of this product http://www.gunze.co.jp/e/plastic/products/heptax.html
[08:53] <Laurenceb_> from someone on ebay
[08:53] <slapplebags> awesome, thanks for the pointer
[08:53] <slapplebags> part of my reason for building this module is to try and out do him
[08:54] <Laurenceb_> thats _very_ hard :D
[08:54] <cm13g09> Laurenceb_: yeah
[08:54] <cm13g09> I'll agree with that
[08:54] <Laurenceb_> imo youd have to either find a better battery system or go with solar only or .. something
[08:54] <slapplebags> haha, yes, yes it is
[08:54] <Laurenceb_> atm its only limited by the battery
[08:55] <slapplebags> has that been the limiting factor? his page is a bit sparse on details from what ive seen
[08:55] <Laurenceb_> PS-30 is doing amazing stuff with WSPR
[08:55] <Laurenceb_> maybe you could go solar only and WSPR
[08:55] <cm13g09> Laurenceb_: do we think B-64 is lost?
[08:55] <Laurenceb_> maybe it will come back this summer :P
[08:55] <cm13g09> lol
[08:56] <Laurenceb_> ive written some tools for looking at the flight data to check for signs of gas loss etc
[08:56] <Laurenceb_> lt looks like the envelope should fly for many years
[08:56] <fsphil> wonder how many B's are sitting in a tree somewhere in deepest russia, transmitting away happly
[08:56] <fsphil> if a payload transmits in a forest and there's no receivers to hear it ...
[08:56] <Laurenceb_> also I have heptax data - it has been tested for balloon use
[08:57] <Laurenceb_> it should last >10 years in flight
[08:57] <Laurenceb_> all the evidence says >10years is possible envelope wise
[08:57] <day-> !ping B-64
[08:57] <SpacenearUS> 03day-: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a month ago
[08:58] <Laurenceb_> record of over 2 years was set with a solar only balloon, so no batteries to fail
[08:59] <slapplebags> 10 years? thats bananas
[08:59] <Laurenceb_> but it had mylar envelope, greater than 18months is hard with mylar
[08:59] <slapplebags> and thats just helium retention? or hydrogen?
[08:59] <Laurenceb_> theres been massive advances in polymer tech since 1969
[09:00] <Laurenceb_> UV damage, ozone weathering etc etc
[09:00] <Laurenceb_> i have to head to work, bbl
[09:00] <slapplebags> ah
[09:00] <slapplebags> good day sir
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[09:02] <cm13g09> mfa298: If you haven't left yet
[09:02] <cm13g09> I'd advise waiting
[09:04] <slapplebags> welp, its 1am here so i bid you good day. Thanks for the input and I'll be back!
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[10:39] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ZzCf6es.jpg
[10:43] <fsphil> spacex launch coming up in about 30 minutes
[10:43] Nick change: MoALTz__ -> MoALTz
[10:43] <fsphil> Laurenceb: smells like rocket fuel
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[10:54] <Reb-SM0ULC> video feed?
[10:54] <UpuWork> its the landing I'm interested in
[10:55] <fsphil> nasa tv stream on nasa.gov is working well atm
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[10:56] <Reb-SM0ULC> aah
[10:56] <fsphil> dunno of there will be video of the first stage returning
[10:56] <fsphil> hope so!
[10:56] <fsphil> if*
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[11:01] <Darkside> on hold music of the spacev is good
[11:01] <Darkside> soacex
[11:01] <Darkside> spacex*
[11:01] <Darkside> the spacex stream isnt showing any videio
[11:01] <Darkside> but man the music is nice
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BV5DO_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=BV5DO_chase
[11:06] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03BV5DO-8_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=BV5DO-8_chase
[11:06] <Darkside> is there any audio on the stream?
[11:06] <Darkside> on ustream
[11:06] <Darkside> yup
[11:06] <Darkside> there is
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[11:09] <fsphil> just doing the usual hold talk atm
[11:09] <fsphil> everything is go
[11:09] <Darkside> yup
[11:09] <Darkside> sweeeet
[11:09] <fsphil> and naturally my boss chose this moment to hang about the office
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[11:09] <x-f> say "this is important, come and watch!"
[11:10] <Darkside> if i was at work there'd be about 10 of us watching it
[11:15] <Darkside> dat mist
[11:19] <staylo> spaceflightnow died for anyone else?
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> just gone to hold
[11:19] <Darkside> fffuuuu
[11:19] <fsphil> aww, abort
[11:19] <Darkside> gold
[11:19] <Darkside> hold
[11:22] <staylo> That was a fairly late hold, I assume that's game over for today?
[11:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> seems so
[11:23] <x-f> next attempt on Friday :/
[11:23] <Darkside> aww
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[12:10] <amell> who launches a camera payload into a float intentionally?!?
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SQ1PSD_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=SQ1PSD_chase
[12:16] <edmoore> amell, someone who wants to take photos?
[12:17] <amell> with low probability of recovery.
[12:17] <fsphil> I did something similar
[12:17] <amell> apparently we have a transatlantic floater with cameras somewhere over ukraine with no GPS.
[12:17] <fsphil> worth the risk if it turns up
[12:17] <edmoore> yeah
[12:17] <edmoore> cameras are cheap
[12:17] <fsphil> in my case it didn't, but hey there's still time
[12:17] <edmoore> and people recover things
[12:17] <edmoore> i'd do it
[12:19] <Laurenceb> amell: latex?
[12:19] <amell> not sure
[12:20] <Laurenceb> seems unlikely it could be latex.. but then again its winter
[12:20] <Laurenceb> less UV
[12:20] <amell> 3000g so probably.
[12:20] <Laurenceb> oh nice
[12:23] <fsphil> all his trans-atlantic flights have been latex so far
[12:23] <Laurenceb> whos?
[12:23] <fsphil> this not the cnsp guy?
[12:24] <Laurenceb> oh ok
[12:24] <fsphil> oh mayby not
[12:24] <fsphil> maybe*
[12:25] <fsphil> K6RPT was their callsign
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[12:56] <paul_HAB-P> hey all. Does anybody know is the ghpsdr3-alex project current and maintained?
[12:57] <paul_HAB-P> Looks old to me :-/
[13:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sp3rbq_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=sp3rbq_chase
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[13:17] <michemto> Has anyone heard about pi-in-the-sky project updates?
[13:18] <Bob_Saget> does anyone know anything about these two cars that just appeared in Taiwian?
[13:19] <fsphil> wasn't me
[13:21] <Bob_Saget> where are you located fsphil?
[13:21] <fsphil> comfie chair in n.ireland
[13:22] <craag> A lot of chasecars tend to pop up in places like taiwan from people trying out the app
[13:22] <fsphil> and the middle east too for some reason
[13:23] <Bob_Saget> ohh ok. Hey is there a way to get an email when your balloon comes back up on aprs.fi or spacenear.us/tracker
[13:24] <fsphil> don't believe so, not without coding something
[13:24] <fsphil> though aprs.fi has loads of features I don't know about
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[13:25] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M1 after 032 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=M1
[13:25] <craag> having a !notify to accompany ^^ might be useful
[13:26] <craag> eg /msg SpacenearUS !notify B-64 email@host.com
[13:29] <Bob_Saget> ok so /msg SpacenearUS !notify KM4FSW-11 KM4FSW@riseup.net
[13:29] <qyx_> huh? M1?
[13:29] <qyx_> apparently it was just parked somewhere
[13:29] <fsphil> that's not a feature yet sadly Bob_Saget
[13:29] <Bob_Saget> ohh ok
[13:30] <Bob_Saget> now i understand sorry
[13:32] <craag> Bob_Saget: Sorry, was thinking out loud
[13:32] <Bob_Saget> no totally fine, i'm a bit tired and missed what you meant
[13:32] <craag> I don't know of anything without coding up something unfortunately
[13:32] <Bob_Saget> stayed up real late last night watching my two (and first) pico balloons
[13:33] <craag> :)
[13:33] <craag> one of the best reasons to stay up I can think of!
[13:33] <Bob_Saget> wish i could stay up and watch them, but unless Guam comes through for my southern tracked one
[13:33] <Bob_Saget> I don't expect to see anything for a while from them
[13:36] <craag> Bob_Saget: Lunch break now, I'll code something up, give me a little while
[13:40] <fsphil> but, food!
[13:41] <Bob_Saget> craag: awesome!
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[14:19] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/person.of.interest.s01e15.17898khz-number-station.jpg
[14:26] <craag> Bob_Saget: PM me your email address
[14:28] <fsphil> hope they didn't claim they could decode a numbers station on that show
[14:28] <fsphil> they likely use OTPs, impossible to decode without the pad
[14:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> qyx_: sp9uob is out looking for M1, looks like he got it on radio at least, waiting for more info.
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[15:13] <Laurenceb> http://sensl.com/estore/
[15:13] <Laurenceb> time for optical balloon coms
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> M1 lkooks like its in a tree.. suprise suprise!
[15:30] <qyx_> firefighters to the rescue!
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[15:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> Aftrenoon all
[15:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> M1 recovered in Poland :-)
[15:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/M1r.jpg
[15:43] <fsphil> nice work!
[15:43] <amell> v good.
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[15:48] <M6XiMaN> Don't eat that!
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[16:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> Average speed was no so bad ;-) http://aprs.fi/info/graphs/a/SP9UOB-9
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[18:04] <chrisstubbs> daveake Obviously the perfect location is Ross-on-Wye. ;)
[18:04] <daveake> of course :)
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[18:08] <fsphil> Cookstown, duh
[18:08] <adamgreig> cambridge o/
[18:08] <fsphil> we've an airport 40 miles away, and two hotels
[18:08] <fsphil> friendly locals
[18:08] <mattbrejza> jersey anyone?
[18:08] <fsphil> ok maybe not that last one
[18:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> Cracow, Poland - cheap flights, cheap hotels, cheap beer and wonderful city :-)
[18:09] <daveake> booked
[18:09] <adamgreig> oh man, cracow would be lovely
[18:09] <fsphil> haha
[18:09] <fsphil> it probably wouldn't cost me much extra flying to poland than it would london
[18:10] <mattbrejza> it would probably be cheaper all in?
[18:10] <adamgreig> i had a blast when i was there last christmas
[18:10] <fsphil> if the hotels where cheaper then definitly
[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03kc9qjm_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=kc9qjm_chase
[18:10] <adamgreig> there's a nice ibis hotel that's pretty cheap
[18:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> there are flights by Ryanair to Cracow
[18:11] <adamgreig> prepare people for the LA conference in '17
[18:11] <daveake> :)
[18:12] <adamgreig> by which time I assume we'll be chartering a flight :p
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[18:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> i was planning to go to the LayerOne conference - but no chances in this year.
[18:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> my priority id to move to the new house
[18:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> is
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[18:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/thermo.jpg
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[18:36] <mclane_> Hey Cracow would be great
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[18:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: cool pic ;)
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[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reb-SM0ULC: :-) cool - indeed :-)
[18:44] <Reb-SM0ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: congrats on the chase btw :)
[18:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reb-SM0ULC: thanks, was lots of fun :-)
[18:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> Reb-SM0ULC: im waiting for southern winds, and want to relaunch it to Sweden ;-)
[18:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> lets play a ping-pong game ;-)
[18:49] <qyx_> are you trying to hit the tree again?
[18:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> SP9UOB-Tom: sounds like a plan :)
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> qyx_: yeah, but in Sweden ;-)
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Lunar_Lander, DL7AD
[19:26] <DL7AD> Hi SP9UOB-Tom
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> hi Tom :)
[19:26] <Reb-SM0ULC> DL7AD: hi sven! and mr lunar!
[19:27] <DL7AD> hi Reb-SM0ULC :)
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> hej Reb-SM0ULC :)
[20:44] Action: Laurenceb_ is tempted to build optical balloon link
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> http://sensl.com/estore/
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> this changes everything
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[20:52] <Babs> Evening HAB fans - quick q. when ordering a pcb, does 1oz Cu or 2oz Cu make much of a difference? I presume it is the thickness of the copper track?
[20:52] <Babs> as in vertical thickness out of the plane of the board
[20:52] <adamgreig> it halves your trace resistances, roughly speaking
[20:52] <adamgreig> and will impact design of microstrip and other RF things
[20:52] <adamgreig> and power handling capability to some extent
[20:52] <mattbrejza> and heat disspiation related stuff
[20:52] <adamgreig> you're right, it just sets the vertical thickness
[20:52] <adamgreig> unless you know you need 2oz you are probably fine with 1oz though
[20:53] <Babs> if it is just a circuit driving LEDs, and I am limited in power going in, then presumably the 2oz will do slightly better as more of the power will be going to the LEDs rather than heating up the board?
[20:54] <adamgreig> yea but it's probably a very very marginal difference
[20:54] <Babs> so certainly not 80 dollars worth of benefit?
[20:54] <mattbrejza> lol no
[20:54] <Babs> done. thanks mattbrejza and adamgreig
[20:54] <mattbrejza> seeed?
[20:56] <Myself> Just use thicker tracks, if you're that worried. 2oz is special power-handling stuff.
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[20:58] <edmoore> to emphasize the above - 1oz is normal
[20:58] <edmoore> 2oz is if you definitely know you need 2oz
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[20:58] <edmoore> you almost certainly don't
[21:00] <Myself> 1/2oz is nice for lightweight and flexible stuff, if trace resistance isn't already close to a limit
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> where do you order your flexipcb?
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[21:03] <Myself> I don't, I just know generalist things :P
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> ok :P
[21:05] <Babs> thanks edmoore - happy ny
[21:05] <Babs> HOLD ON
[21:05] <edmoore> and to you
[21:05] <Babs> who are you and what have you done with eroomde?
[21:06] <edmoore> i'm his opposite
[21:06] <edmoore> Laurenceb_, i have used gold phoenix for flex
[21:06] <Babs> just a bit backward surely
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> ah thanks
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> me has used iteadstudio before
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> *+ /
[21:09] Action: Laurenceb_ discovers that fast, high power VCSELs arent exactly easy to come by
[21:09] <Laurenceb_> an optical link needs VCSELs as well as SPADs
[21:10] <edmoore> and a good dose of SCROTUMs
[21:10] <Laurenceb_> oh dewar
[21:10] <edmoore> or so i heard
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[21:19] <Laurenceb_> holy shit
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~atdgroup/technicalnotes/Fast%20optical%20LED%20pulse%20generator.pdf
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> 3ns
[21:21] <edmoore> bet i could beat that
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> the google loon patent is looking pretty stupid right now
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> with their crazy all optical backhaul
[21:21] <edmoore> fairly easy to knock up something that'll do about 500ps rise into 50-ohms
[21:22] <edmoore> as a pulse
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> yeah but LED is a little faffy to drive
[21:22] Action: Laurenceb_ is considering making a functional NIRS brain scanner
[21:22] <Laurenceb_> just doing the numbers and looking for parts...
[21:23] <Laurenceb_> but the same hardware would work on a superpressure balloon
[21:24] <qyx_> sometimes i feel my head is like a balloon
[21:24] <qyx_> so empty
[21:25] <qyx_> i was about to ask what does brain and superpressure balloon has in common
[21:27] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[21:27] <qyx_> *have
[21:27] <qyx_> engrish
[21:29] <Oddstr13> me engris speek weru guud
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[22:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[22:26] <[1]HF_ATL> hello all
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[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[22:37] <fsphil> night ll
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[22:54] <esculca> hi everyone
[22:54] <esculca> for the fisrt time I am playing around with HX1
[22:54] <esculca> operating at 144.800MJz
[22:54] <esculca> Mhz, sorry
[22:54] <esculca> I have a doubt
[22:54] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-1 after 034 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KF5PGW-1
[22:55] <esculca> everytime I connect my SDR dongle
[22:55] <esculca> the spectrum on SDRsharp gets strange
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[22:55] <esculca> looks like the HX-1 saturates the spectrum in my room
[22:55] <fsphil> that's likely
[22:55] <esculca> yeah
[22:55] <esculca> I am sure
[22:56] <esculca> how can I Atenuate, at the tX or at the rX?
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[22:56] <craag> have you got an antenna on the rx?
[22:56] <fsphil> easier on the tx side
[22:56] <esculca> yes
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[22:56] <fsphil> unplug the antenna
[22:56] <craag> take it off
[22:56] <esculca> but how?
[22:56] <fsphil> using your hands? :)
[22:56] <esculca> with or without thr antenna it saturates
[22:57] <craag> ok, how far away from the tx is it?
[22:57] <esculca> 3 m
[22:57] <esculca> more or less
[22:57] <craag> ok, what antenna do you have on the tx?
[22:58] <esculca> I am using an antenna that I got on ebay
[22:58] <esculca> that get's 144MHz and 434 MHz
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[22:58] <esculca> but I am wondering how can I Atenuate at the TX
[22:58] <esculca> resistor?
[22:59] <fsphil> try a smaller rx antenna to
[22:59] <fsphil> just a short bit of wire might do
[22:59] <craag> Have you tried turning down the gain in sdr#?
[22:59] <craag> (the rf frontend gain)
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[23:00] <esculca> let me check that
[23:01] <esculca> lower everything in the SDR#
[23:01] <esculca> still saturates
[23:04] <craag> :/
[23:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you put the Tx in a tin box
[23:04] <craag> or plug it into a dummy load
[23:04] <esculca> ok, I simply remove the TX antenna and it's ok now
[23:04] <esculca> tks
[23:05] <fsphil> that was the first suggestion :)
[23:05] <esculca> yeah, you're right
[23:05] <esculca> and I was stupid
[23:05] <esculca> :)
[23:05] <craag> Well it's good practice to try not to run a tx into no antenna
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[23:05] <esculca> I was trying to avoid that
[23:05] <craag> ntx2 is fine with it as it's only 10mw
[23:06] <esculca> should I place some load there?
[23:06] <craag> hx1 is 300mw?
[23:06] <craag> I would if you're going to be testing like that for a while
[23:07] <fsphil> yea
[23:07] <esculca> a resistor?
[23:07] Action: mfa298 has a nice collection of low power 50 ohm dummy loads (aka 10base2 terminators)
[23:07] <fsphil> a 50 ohm resistor with enough wattage
[23:07] <esculca> I don't have one in here like that
[23:07] <fsphil> 1W should do
[23:07] <esculca> I have to get one tomorrow from a store
[23:07] <craag> a couple of ~100ohm 0.25W in parallel would be fine
[23:07] <craag> 4x 220, etc
[23:07] <esculca> right
[23:07] <esculca> will do that then
[23:08] <esculca> thanks
[23:08] <craag> may get a little warm, but you're not TXing 100% I hope.
[23:08] <esculca> not it's not
[23:08] <craag> :)
[23:09] <esculca> have you guys tried to send a payload with a 434Mhz tx and 144.800Mhz simultaneausley?
[23:09] <esculca> I wanna try this this next time
[23:09] <fsphil> I've tested one on the ground that does
[23:10] <esculca> my last payload I lost it
[23:10] <fsphil> can't launch it here because of the silly no-amateur radio rules
[23:10] <esculca> I was using only 434
[23:10] <fsphil> rtty?
[23:10] <esculca> rtty and hell
[23:10] <craag> 434 rtty is a lot harder when you're the only receiver
[23:10] <craag> especially if you have mountains or anything
[23:11] <esculca> but when it fell I lost it
[23:11] <mcbcurator> I can't decide if I'm going to try doing 434 and 144.8 on my balloon this spring
[23:11] <fsphil> do both :)
[23:11] <esculca> and here in Portugal and Spain where I was sending the ballon was full of moutains
[23:11] <mcbcurator> using pi in the sky, so I'll have both txers... might as well run both, eh?
[23:12] <esculca> I sent the balloon in Portugal but it ended up in Spain
[23:12] <esculca> 300 Kms chase
[23:12] <fsphil> people don't mind a continous rtty signal, no really true for aprs
[23:12] <craag> esculca: ouch!
[23:12] <craag> not got a nice ferrari to get you there in time to receive it landing then?
[23:12] <mfa298> if you're suitably licensed and allowed aprs airborne it makes sense to use that as well as there's usially a good receiver network (as long as you're on the right frequency)
[23:12] <esculca> I will send aprs not continuasly
[23:13] <mcbcurator> I figure broadcast on 434, aprs, and a Spot will pretty hugely raise my chances of actually finding the thing
[23:13] <fsphil> mfa298: nice dig :)
[23:13] <esculca> but what about the antennas in the payload?
[23:13] <esculca> a 1/4 70cm pointing downwards
[23:13] <mfa298> fsphil: I thought you'd appreciate it :)
[23:13] <esculca> and another one for the 144.800 Mhz
[23:14] <esculca> pointing up?
[23:14] <fsphil> you can put that on top
[23:14] <fsphil> or make a dual-band antenna
[23:14] <mcbcurator> What about em? run a 434 antenna out one side, aprs out the bottom, and Spot has its own built in.
[23:14] <fsphil> which is possible but I have no idea how
[23:14] <craag> don't do it out the side
[23:14] <esculca> no spot for me
[23:14] <craag> if the payload spins you'll have no chance
[23:15] <craag> esculca: Sounds like a good plan
[23:15] <esculca> what about one on the bottom (434) and the other on the top (144)?
[23:15] <craag> :)
[23:15] <esculca> ok, will do that
[23:15] <esculca> I have to be able to launch and recover without the spot
[23:15] <craag> Just don't cover the top of the payload in foil for the groundplane, use radial wires
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[23:15] <craag> otherwise your gps will be unhappy
[23:16] <esculca> ok craag
[23:16] <fsphil> my first flight had two 434mhz antennas on top and bottom
[23:16] <fsphil> worked pretty well
[23:16] <esculca> by the way
[23:16] <mfa298> could always try something like a 2m dipole (payload in the centre) and 70cms halo,but the 70cms would then favour people with yagis in the normal orientation and not a chase car magmount
[23:16] <esculca> I am having a lot of problems getting lock on the gps
[23:16] <craag> what gps is it?
[23:16] <esculca> i am using those NEO-6m from ebay
[23:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> try a 2 or 3 section col-linear aerial hanging down its resonaNT ON 2M AND 70CMS
[23:17] <craag> Hmm, so mounted with the antenna upwards right?
[23:17] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: A lot harder to get right than 2x 1/4wave though
[23:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> NOT THAT DIFFICULT ALTENATING LENGTHS OF CO-AX!
[23:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> opps
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[23:18] <craag> Gets a bit heavy though
[23:18] <mfa298> dual band antenna will probably need some sort of diplexer for the two signals
[23:19] <craag> I'd just use 2 1/4 wave side by side even
[23:19] <fsphil> hehe yea, unlikely to cause much trouble
[23:19] <fsphil> might create a bit of fading as it spins
[23:20] <craag> space it more than half of 70cm and it'll be minimal
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