highaltitude.log.20141230

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[00:38] <superkuh> How long was B64 transmitting before the sun was too low?
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[01:26] <SpeedEvil> !ping b64
[01:26] <SpacenearUS> 03SpeedEvil: No contact from 03b64
[01:26] <SpeedEvil> !ping b-64
[01:26] <SpacenearUS> 03SpeedEvil: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a month ago
[01:26] <SpeedEvil> superkuh: ?
[01:26] <superkuh> I just meant to ask what the total proven flight duration was.
[01:27] <superkuh> I assume the sun being too low in the northern latitudes is what stopped it.
[01:27] <SpeedEvil> Err? Do you mean the time from launch till last transmission?
[01:28] <superkuh> Yes.
[01:28] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - blender has messed up my head
[01:29] <SpeedEvil> 134d 9h
[01:29] <SpeedEvil> says the ttracker
[01:30] <superkuh> Thanks.
[01:32] <SpeedEvil> It was more killedby charging too early in the morning, before battery temp had hit -10C
[01:32] <SpeedEvil> The battery likely grows dendrites of metallic lithium which eventually end up shorting the cell
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[02:17] <rdaruwala> For the Habduino board, it says to order an extra transmitter if you want APRS functionality. However on the store 3 different ones are listed. Does it matter which one you pick?
[02:22] <Darkside> rdaruwala: do you have an amateur radio licence
[02:22] <rdaruwala> Yes
[02:26] <Darkside> then it will depend what country you are in
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[02:33] <rdaruwala> Ahh okay
[02:34] <rdaruwala> So US is the 141.390 MHz?
[02:34] <rdaruwala> I think it is. So grab that model
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[02:36] <Darkside> 144.390 maybe
[02:36] <Darkside> also check you are allowed to use APRS with whatever licence class uou have
[02:38] <rdaruwala> Will do, thanks
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[03:25] <adamgreig> in the US I believe all the licence classes may use APRS
[03:30] <kc2pit_> Yep. If there's any reciprocity at all, it should cover that.
[03:31] <adamgreig> or not - fairly sure reciprocal licenses granted to UK amateurs still prohibit airborne operation for example
[03:31] <adamgreig> but whatever, I have a US Extra to go with my UK full so I'm fine :p
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[04:10] <rdaruwala> adamgreig that's awesome :)
[04:10] <rdaruwala> I'm just a lowly technician
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[09:37] <jededu> EDUPIC11 will be launching tomorrow at 08:00 ish, I will not be able to upload any data from tha launch site
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[09:45] <guido_> tnx jedudu any details about the payload?
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[10:05] <jededu> !payload EDUPIC11
[10:05] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Payload 03EDUPIC11 10(67ea) 03$$EDUPIC11 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.275 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/380Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[10:07] <jededu> I have no connection of any kind at the launch site :/
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[10:21] <Reb-SM0ULC> jededu: no mobile nets?
[10:34] <fsphil> huh, chris got some hab stuff on the eevblog
[10:35] <Darkside> which chris
[10:35] <fsphil> stubbs
[10:35] <Darkside> ah
[10:35] <Darkside> link?
[10:35] <Darkside> oh isee
[10:36] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NesFg-sfY6Q#t=3169
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[10:36] <Darkside> lol the knife
[10:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
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[11:47] <SA6BSS> jededu: looks like it will come my way, i´l be ready to track :)
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[13:12] <Reb-SM0ULC> launchtime?
[13:13] <fsphil> lunch time
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[13:16] <chrisstubbs> mm bacon
[13:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm meatballs
[13:24] <fsphil> spaghetti on toast for me today. an old classic
[13:46] <fsphil> seen your stuff on the eevblog yet chrisstubbs?
[13:59] <guido_> !aprs info AETH32-4
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: 03AETH32-4 was near 03Mediterranean Sea, Eastern Basin 10(34.53662,19.45148) at 0318134 meters about 032 days ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/AETH32-4
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: Path: 03AETH32-4>APRS via 03qAR,9H1FJ-5
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 03172kmph Course: 0376°
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: Comment: 03G3##0HP0h KF5KMP
[14:00] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: Telemetry: 03Main 101.315 V 03Aux 100 V 03Temp 10-7.1 C 03Sat 106 # 03Alt 1059490 ft
[14:00] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 59490 ft = 18 km
[14:05] <chrisstubbs> Ah :P Watching now fsphil
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[15:24] <hhappil> Can you put small items inside the neck of a weather balloon to disperse?
[15:24] <hhappil> i.e. Seeds, small pieces of paper
[15:24] <hhappil> Would these cause any issues?
[15:24] <chrisstubbs> hhappil, yes that has been done before I think, depending what it is
[15:25] <chrisstubbs> obviously dont go dropping what could be considered as litter
[15:25] <hhappil> >empty bottles and plastic bags
[15:25] <hhappil> :p
[15:25] <hhappil> Nah, I will be dropping some thin bits of paper that biodegrade, and seeds (that grow..)
[15:26] <chrisstubbs> Laws may vary by country
[15:27] <hhappil> I'm in the UK, and everything will be small and natural
[15:27] <hhappil> The greater litter concern would be the balloon once it is burst
[15:28] <hhappil> The only reason I'm asking is whether the paper/seeds would damage or impair the balloon.
[15:28] <chrisstubbs> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/ukhas/litter/ukhas/Tzg2VEQuJ9w/Bnk-wg6STbgJ
[15:28] <chrisstubbs> might be worth a read
[15:28] <chrisstubbs> regarding dropping things
[15:29] <hhappil> Thanks
[15:30] <hhappil> I read all that and it seems the main concern is dropping a 'UAV'
[15:30] <chrisstubbs> See article 129 (in particular (2)) of the air navigation order for dropping of things:
[15:30] <chrisstubbs> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=226
[15:30] <craag> nice one on the eevblog appearance chrisstubbs !
[15:31] <craag> brave to send in pcbs for his approval
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> I wouldn't like to say 100% if it is technically legal or not, but dropping seeds does not sound particularly irresponsible in my opinion
[15:33] <chrisstubbs> As for balloon damage I think you would be okay so long as you avoid spiky seeds
[15:33] <hhappil> OK, thanks.
[15:33] <chrisstubbs> and perhaps oily seeds, as oil can damage latex
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[15:34] <hhappil> I found an ingenius way to ensure my SPOT works tho
[15:34] Nick change: spe -> Guest53556
[15:35] <hhappil> A gimbal!
[15:35] <chrisstubbs> Are you going to be flying anything expensive (eg gopros)?
[15:36] <chrisstubbs> Thanks craag, He didn't seem overly impressed by the boards but was excited by HAB
[15:36] Nick change: Guest53556 -> spe
[15:37] <craag> He made some good suggestions - I'd like someone to critique my boards like that - just maybe not put it on youtube after :P
[15:39] <mfa298> I'm not sure how much things in the neck of the balloon would get scattered or if they'de just stay there that's the part that tends to always stay with the payload and parachute
[15:40] <hhappil> Well I was going to make a dispersal system but that weighs too much.
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[15:40] <chrisstubbs> I'd imagine the majority will get thrown out during the descent
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> Dropping things into the balloon and them staying there might be another story when the balloon is full of helium or hydrogen
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> the neck will be at the bottom and they may all fall back down your fill tube
[15:42] <mfa298> some sort of shallow container on the top fo the payload might work if the ascent isn't too rough
[15:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> oh, it does not answer in om.. :)
[15:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> !hysplit edupic11
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[15:52] <lz1dev> !wiki spacenear
[15:52] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
[15:53] <lz1dev> btw
[15:53] <lz1dev> how is PS-30 being tracked?
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[15:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT available for: 03G-09
[15:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit G-09
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: HYSPLIT for 03G-09 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141230-10_157334_G09.gif
[15:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit remove G-09
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Removed 03G-09 from defaults
[15:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit add PS-30
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03PS-30 to defaults
[15:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit rerun
[15:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Running HYSPLIT jobs for all defaults. Hold on to your hats
[15:59] <x-f> how come your chatty bot still doesn't recognize private messages?
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Would you want a Bot listening in ????
[16:01] <chrisstubbs> !whereis my fill tube
[16:01] <SpacenearUS> 03chrisstubbs: I haven't got a clue
[16:01] <chrisstubbs> same here :/
[16:02] <fsphil> mine's in the middle of the floor, keep tripping over it
[16:03] <daveake> !whereis That funny panel programme on BBC4?
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> 03daveake: I haven't got a clue
[16:03] <daveake> ta
[16:03] <fsphil> !whatis The Answer
[16:03] <fsphil> aww
[16:04] <lz1dev> x-f: NSA is intercepting them
[16:05] <lz1dev> or GCHQ
[16:06] <M6XIMan> Gah, Farnell warehouse staff seem to think every day is a holiday right now
[16:07] <fsphil> isn't it? :)
[16:07] Action: fsphil is on holiday...
[16:07] <M6XIMan> Not according to their website
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[16:07] <fsphil> ah
[16:07] <M6XIMan> Of the customer service person I spoke to this morning
[16:07] <M6XIMan> s/Of/or
[16:07] <M6XIMan> http://uk.farnell.com/bank-holiday-opening?ICID=HP-Launch-tick-opening-times
[16:08] <M6XIMan> Placed an order yesterday and it's still not shipped
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[16:58] <chrisstubbs> The predictions are not *quite* good enough for me to launch tomorrow unfortunately :(
[17:00] <whitbyrog> Anybody help with getting RTTY test message without errors please
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> Hey whitbyrog
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> Whats the setup, and what stage are you at?
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> NTX2 and arduino?
[17:01] <whitbyrog> Yes MTX2b and Uno
[17:01] <whitbyrog> It's reading quite good but most lines have one or two errors on them
[17:02] <whitbyrog> NXT2b
[17:02] <chrisstubbs> can you take a screenshot of dl-fldigi showing the waterfall and settings page?
[17:04] <whitbyrog> yes what do you want me to do with it then?
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> upload it to somewhere like imgur.com and share the link
[17:07] <whitbyrog> OK Chris this is a first for me, here's the link http://i.imgur.com/bbVn9FG.jpg
[17:08] <chrisstubbs> ah ok
[17:09] <chrisstubbs> try re-tuning sdr# a little so the 2 bars are centered around 2000hz
[17:09] <chrisstubbs> you might be a little too far to the edge of the bandwidth
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> how are you piping the audio from sdr# into dl-fldigi?
[17:12] <whitbyrog> The audio is going via a lead on the two jacks here's another screenshot http://i.imgur.com/5JNqeeN.png
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> Ok that looks better, but yes you are still getting some errors
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[17:14] <chrisstubbs> got antennas on the transmitter and receiver?
[17:15] <mfa298> you might want to turn the audio level up a bit on sdr# (or for the output/input used with the cable)
[17:15] <mfa298> the black diamond bottom right on dl-fldigi should be green
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> ^^ yes that too, but i'd like to think that signal was strong enough to decode by the looks of it?
[17:16] <whitbyrog> yes antennas on both I have had the audio level up
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[17:17] <chrisstubbs> can you do a screenshot of sdr#?
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:18] <chrisstubbs> hey Lunar_Lander
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[17:20] <whitbyrog> Here's the sdr# http://i.imgur.com/mRVA3Ud.png
[17:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup push the order level slider a bit higher until dl-fldifi diamond goes green
[17:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> c/order/audio/
[17:23] <chrisstubbs> the one at the top of the screen by the looks of it
[17:25] <Geoff-G8DHE_> If it goes too high it will turn Red
[17:25] <whitbyrog> Yes done that http://i.imgur.com/cshI9GM.png still not a lot better
[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Try reducing the bandwidth - I normally center the two freqeincies around 1500Hz and have a bandwidth centered on that running from about 1000Hz to 2000Hz
[17:28] <whitbyrog> Just having a go now Geoff
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> like this in dl-fldigi http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/ANT_AND_DAVE_20141116/pi-sky_w-f.png
[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> It might help if you increase the resolution of the FFT display in SDR# then you would see both freq's in there as well rather than a single peak
[17:32] <whitbyrog> http://i.imgur.com/U1BRFzf.png I'll try increasing the FFT now
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[17:38] <cm13g09> M6XIMan: Farnell aren't that bad.....
[17:39] <cm13g09> I placed an order 14:30 yesterday
[17:39] <cm13g09> delivered 08:30 this morning....
[17:39] <cm13g09> cutting short my sleep!
[17:39] <fsphil> hah
[17:39] <cm13g09> that *did* come out of Belgium.
[17:39] <whitbyrog> Geoff I tried that http://i.imgur.com/WQo7Jws.png and it made it worse...
[17:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> try putting the Scope option on in View and see what the waveform and eye diagrams look like, click the Scope to change mode
[17:42] <daveake> Something up there ... your lower frequency is way stronger than the upper one
[17:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I wondered about that but it might just be the point of the screen grab
[17:42] <daveake> Does the sound output have bass boost or something similar enabled?
[17:42] <daveake> Nah it's clear in the SDR
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> but the two levels look much the same in dl-fldigi w/f
[17:43] <daveake> So it's not bass boost then :p
[17:43] <daveake> both clipping into red but lower one more so
[17:46] <whitbyrog> here's a screenshot of the scope, not sure what it means http://i.imgur.com/LWTRtO1.png
[17:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> OK that looks pretty clean, click it and you will have two ellipses one vertical one horizontal which cross over to create the "eye" thinnner the ellipse the better
[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> In the SDR# FFT do the two peaks alternate or is the higher one always much lower ?
[17:51] <whitbyrog> http://i.imgur.com/GDN94z1.png yes they alternate
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah that gives a clue they should appear as two ellipsies rather than speckles of noise that explains the erors but not sure enougth about the way the transmitter is driven as to why.
[17:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> See here is what I would expect http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/BARC_20140225/BARC%20signal%20in%20Worthing.JPG
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[17:57] <whitbyrog> OK, so does it indicate software or hardware or is it too difficult to tell?
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I'm just wondering, it might be that your overloading the rtlsdr dongle and hence the excessive noise
[17:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> what sort of (if any) aerials have you got connected at Tx and Rx ?
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[18:00] <whitbyrog> Short stubby ariel at the RX end and a short bit of wire at the TX end but it was like this before I added the TX one
[18:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Try removing all the aerials, its very easy to overload the front end and cause all sorts of odd effects
[18:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> or increase the distance between Tx and Rx a lot
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[18:07] <whitbyrog> this is with the aerials removed http://i.imgur.com/fmoWmCJ.png it looks a bit better, I've now moved the TX into another room
[18:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes much more like it, the w/f is cleaner as well
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[18:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Right food is being served BBL
[18:16] <whitbyrog> Thanks for your help Geoff and everyone else
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[18:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03F5KAV-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=F5KAV-11
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[21:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 034_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=4_chase
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[22:12] <jcoxon> wow PS-30 is doing well
[22:13] <lz1dev> !whereis ps-30
[22:13] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03PS-30 is over 03South Pacific Ocean 10(-52.621,-171.127) at 039913 meters
[22:13] <lz1dev> how is that thing tracked?
[22:13] <jcoxon> i think its wspr
[22:13] <jcoxon> its on HF
[22:14] <jcoxon> http://picospace.net/
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[22:19] <lz1dev> wspr has some pretty impressive range
[22:19] <jcoxon> yeah, its very cool
[22:21] <arko> it has a super low baud rate right?
[22:21] <arko> neat
[22:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:21] <arko> hah
[22:22] <arko> 1.4648
[22:22] <arko> baud
[22:26] <fsphil> two minutes to transmit a packet
[22:26] <fsphil> and that only just about holds a callsign and a few extra bytes
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[22:27] <arko> crazy
[22:28] <lz1dev> fsphil: it's not a bad tradeoff for the range
[22:28] <lz1dev> especially when you are located in the middle of the ocean
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[22:38] <fsphil> oh definitly
[22:39] <fsphil> I've seen 100mw packets being received in australia
[22:39] <paul_HAB-P> Hi All, sorry to ask this again - has anybody had any joy with the FCD+ and Beaglebone Black?
[22:40] <fsphil> guessing you have and hit problems?
[22:40] <paul_HAB-P> Yeah - tried both Kali and Ubuntu and neither seem to be able to see it as a usb device...
[22:40] <paul_HAB-P> works fine on laptop with Mint...
[22:40] <fsphil> any kernel messages at all when you plug it in?
[22:41] <paul_HAB-P> yep - hang on let me find em...
[22:42] <paul_HAB-P> Dec 29 16:47:43 arm kernel: [ 617.910534] usb usb1: usb wakeup-resume
[22:42] <paul_HAB-P> Dec 29 16:48:07 arm kernel: [ 642.243331] usb usb1: usb_probe_device
[22:42] <paul_HAB-P> Dec 29 16:48:07 arm kernel: [ 642.243393] usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[22:42] <paul_HAB-P> Dec 29 16:48:07 arm kernel: [ 642.243447] usb usb1: can't set config #1, error -22
[22:43] <paul_HAB-P> which I presume is the error...
[22:44] <fsphil> ah one of those nice descriptive errors linux is good at
[22:45] <paul_HAB-P> yup - its a bummer. waiting for an RTL dongle to turn up which I think wont suffer from the same problems - however, its not as good quality :-/
[22:47] <fsphil> the fcd firmware seems to have issues with linux
[22:47] <fsphil> it might be worth trying the 96khz firmware
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[22:47] <paul_HAB-P> Now that's an idea. Hadn't thought of that...
[22:47] <paul_HAB-P> :)
[22:47] <fsphil> http://www.funcubedongle.com/?p=1647
[22:47] <db_g6gzh> I have the original fcd working on a bbb with: Linux bbb 3.8.13-bone67 #1 SMP Wed Sep 24 21:30:03 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
[22:48] <db_g6gzh> I had issues with some older kernels
[22:48] <fsphil> it's for the pi, but I found it fixed my problems on all my linux boxes
[22:48] <fsphil> though I've lost half the bandwidth :)
[22:48] <paul_HAB-P> Thats super - thanks, I'll give it a try :)
[22:56] <paul_HAB-P> Can I flash the image under Linux? Qthid has Firmware grayed out (even when SUDO)
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[22:59] <fsphil> I ended up digging out an old windows laptop
[23:01] <craag> has bbb fixed usb hotplug?
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
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[23:07] <paul_HAB-P> I found a script around usb hotplug which just powered down and up the usb chip
[23:07] <craag> ah ok
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[23:08] <paul_HAB-P> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24039420/turn-usb-power-off-on-with-beaglebone-black-kernel-3-8
[23:08] <db_g6gzh> I just tried removing and reinserting the fcd and it hasn't found it
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[23:13] <chrisstubbs> hey craag
[23:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AETH32-1 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=AETH32-1
[23:15] <chrisstubbs> I wrote a pebble app for showing data from habitat a couple of days ago, your habrotate code came in very handy
[23:17] <arko> woah?
[23:17] <arko> woah*
[23:17] <arko> chrisstubbs: i gotta pebble
[23:17] <arko> is it in the app store?
[23:17] <fsphil> just a stones throw away
[23:17] <arko> lol
[23:17] <chrisstubbs> yeah its called habble
[23:17] <arko> LOL
[23:18] <arko> default screen "B-64"
[23:18] <chrisstubbs> atm it fetches the list of active flight docs (like the one dl-fldigi uses) but I'd like it to display anything thats had an update in the last x hours (like the map does)
[23:19] <chrisstubbs> however I need someone in the know to tell me where to get that from :P
[23:21] <lz1dev> https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/habitat-mobile-tracker/blob/4e4eb8084d21cd04f88c41b4ed7b51e2eafa6939/js/tracker.js#L2082-L2085
[23:21] <lz1dev> warning: javascript ahead
[23:22] <arko> chrisstubbs: http://imgur.com/JWzvjHr
[23:22] <arko> neat
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[23:22] <chrisstubbs> the pebble app is all js ;)
[23:22] <chrisstubbs> cheers lz1dev I will check that out
[23:23] <arko> nice
[23:23] <lz1dev> oh god :(
[23:23] <arko> i like the future
[23:23] <chrisstubbs> you can do it as a mish mash of js and c
[23:23] <chrisstubbs> or just js
[23:23] <arko> where i can check habs on my watch
[23:23] <arko> nice work chrisstubbs
[23:23] <lz1dev> and remind yourself of B-64
[23:23] <lz1dev> RIP
[23:23] <arko> <3 never forget
[23:23] <chrisstubbs> Thought it would be handy for chase use
[23:24] <chrisstubbs> use phones location (and I think the pebble has a compass) to direct you to i
[23:24] <chrisstubbs> y
[23:24] <chrisstubbs> t
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[23:25] <fsphil> aaaah stop tempting me with the pebble again
[23:25] <fsphil> they look so nice
[23:25] <chrisstubbs> do it fsphil
[23:25] <chrisstubbs> they are!
[23:25] <mattbrejza> noone got a B64 tshirt yet?
[23:25] <arko> damn youre right
[23:25] <arko> i'd buy one
[23:25] <mattbrejza> you could have all the routes printed 360 round the tshirt
[23:25] <arko> :D
[23:26] <arko> take my money
[23:26] <chrisstubbs> haha
[23:26] <mattbrejza> (well im not a shirt pritner, im just hoping)
[23:26] <arko> it's pretty easy to make one
[23:26] <paul_HAB-P> Just googled B-64 - that's amazing...
[23:26] <mattbrejza> can you laser engrave tshirts?
[23:26] <arko> get a red marker, scribble on a t-shirt
[23:26] <fsphil> risky, becomes out of data as soon as it comes back
[23:26] <arko> bam, b64 shirt
[23:26] <fsphil> (it's coming back, right?)
[23:26] <fsphil> date*
[23:26] <chrisstubbs> need a 360 eink display on the tshirt
[23:27] <chrisstubbs> or supply it with a pen to keep it up to date
[23:27] <mattbrejza> well using the arko method you can update it daily
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[23:27] <arko> haha
[23:27] <chrisstubbs> :D
[23:27] <fsphil> eink t-shirt. now that's an idea
[23:27] <arko> oooo
[23:28] <arko> how isn't there a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-64_%28High_Altitude_Balloon%29
[23:29] <craag> chrisstubbs: :) of course most of habrotate is copied straight from what Daniel and Adam told me :P
[23:32] <lz1dev> one can't simply use the habitat api
[23:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Has anyone heard from Leo at all, he seems to have dissapeared and not responding to email either ?
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[23:34] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: He has been heard from - very busy.
[23:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh good that's good to hear! sven was asking a week or two back
[23:35] <Reb-SM0ULC> :)
[23:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Here is the track http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/ for the Tee shirst!
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[23:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps use the same plastic for the Tee shirt itself .....
[23:38] <mattbrejza> you would have to get caps to complete the route over the pole though
[23:39] <chrisstubbs> you could print that on an umbrella
[23:41] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03NOTASPOT after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=NOTASPOT
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[23:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> You can come out now arko, it was only a 3.9 ;-)
[23:52] <arko> :P
[23:52] <arko> didnt even feel it
[23:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> ah you seemed to disappear at the right time.....!
[23:53] <arko> haha
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[23:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right off to bed -leaving the rig running for EDUPIC11 in the morning!
[23:56] <mfa298> mattbrejza: well in theory you can engrave paper with a laser cutter (based on the manual for the one at work) so cotton might be doable
[23:57] <mfa298> synthetic fibre might be more interesting
[23:58] <mattbrejza> probably best i dont try
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[23:58] <mattbrejza> (without reading hte manual)
[23:59] <mfa298> the main lesson we've found so far is you really cant leave it unattended.
[23:59] <mfa298> there's a nice burnt piece of acrylic to prove that somewhere
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