highaltitude.log.20141224

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[00:22] <Ian_> DominoEX question - Is the secondary alphabet only accesed when ASCII characters greater than 127 are used? I'm thinking of ditching it to recover variable space. Anyone know?
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[00:25] <amell> edmoore: looks like UKRA are reforming& shock!
[00:26] <amell> oh he left.
[00:26] <Darkside> Ian_: i think so, most of the implementations of DominoEX i've seen dont include the secondary alphabet
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[00:27] <amell> oh god. hillcox has edited his awards webpage - stating that B-64 flew 25K km!
[00:28] <fsphil> bit of an aurora show on atm, for those op north
[00:28] <amell> cambridgeshire out of the question?
[00:29] <Ian_> Thanks Darkside, I thought as much from my baroque print statements to plumb the depths of Upu's example code as the indexing seemed to be clear.
[00:29] <fsphil> it might be characters higher than 255
[00:29] <fsphil> I don't remember how many characters there are...
[00:30] <fsphil> yea 256 in each set
[00:30] <fsphil> so characters 256-511 are the secondary set
[00:31] <fsphil> wonder if they define what 128-255 mean
[00:31] <fsphil> there are so many variations
[00:31] <Ian_> but you never can tell. I have a mate who took a Morse program and expressed the lookup table as decimal, although I had given it as a binary representation. He seemed to not grasp that the binary was easier to debug as it was the Morse and a delimiting bit
[00:32] <Ian_> The secondary alphabet is therefore likely to include Greek and other European special characters, not really required for HAB work
[00:33] <fsphil> it's the same as the first, but those characters get printed on the status bar at the bottom of fldigi
[00:34] <fsphil> amell: suspect so yea
[00:36] <Ian_> The transmission of DominoEX without anything beyond the minimum, as long as it's contiguous isn't going to affect what is displayed in fldigi. The transmitted characters are the transmitted characters.
[00:36] <fsphil> yea you only need the first 128 characters
[00:36] <fsphil> and even lots of those are never used
[00:38] <amell> surely you can fit what you need into 6 bits?
[00:38] <Ian_> Many thanks, still a bit of figuring out to do, but reducing the complexity of the problem always makes life easier.
[00:38] <fsphil> wait'll you try thor :)
[00:39] <amell> A-Z and 0-9 and some limited punctuation - all fits in 6 bits.
[00:39] <Ian_> amell, you are probably right. I'm working from Upu's example code. I haven't found the spec for DominoEX yet (haven'f actually looked)
[00:39] <fsphil> it might, but domex isn't a 6-bit thing
[00:40] <Ian_> The table is indexed with the ASCII code and even with an offset I need character 10 so am not going to be able to save much by pruning the low end of the table.
[00:40] <fsphil> a better character set could certainly be made, but nobody would be able to decode it :)
[00:40] <fsphil> I did make a hab-optimised rtty a long time ago
[00:40] <Ian_> Indexing is good, scanning is not.
[00:40] <fsphil> it sends numbers really quickly
[00:41] <fsphil> numbers where 4-bit
[00:41] <Ian_> Don'tcha just love standardisation . . . ?
[00:41] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:hatty
[00:43] <fsphil> bit pointless though. normal rtty is good enough for most people
[00:44] <Ian_> Standard lean and mean on the transmit side of things. Hatty may be a good idea but breaks the standardisation rule, so ITA2 five bit would be a better idea if ASCII wasn't acceptable.
[00:44] <Ian_> Nothing like having a play though.
[00:46] <fsphil> yea it was just a bit of fun
[00:46] <fsphil> FEC would be more useful
[00:47] <mattbrejza> msgpack
[00:48] <fsphil> I had a payload tx'ing msgpack, must get back to that
[00:48] <mattbrejza> should try to make it 'the thing' for lora
[00:50] <Ian_> mattbrejza, did you start at Sotton or are you still to start there?
[00:51] <mattbrejza> start what?
[00:55] <Ian_> I thought that you were going to Uni, perhaps I have you mixed up with someone else?
[00:56] <mattbrejza> ive been at uni for a while, did you mean the other matt?
[00:56] <mattbrejza> i started at the same time as phil
[00:56] <fsphil> other phil
[00:56] <fsphil> not heard from other matt in a while
[00:57] <mfa298> he appeared briefly earlier but doesn't seem to have been around as much
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[00:58] <Ian_> Right. sorry about the confusion.
[00:59] <Ian_> Someone was visiting back in Septemebr I think, I thought that it might have been yourself. Soton seemed to be favourite
[00:59] <mattbrejza> other matt visited a month or so ago
[01:05] <Ian_> That would be right. that wasn't Flerb? or one of a hundred other aliases
[01:06] <Ian_> Hooray, Pte Ryan was saved - again!
[01:08] <Ian_> Gnite all time for zzz
[01:08] <fsphil> nite ian!
[01:08] <fsphil> should prolly do the same
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[10:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPL1 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=SPL1
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[11:20] <myier> hey guys, the habhub mobile tracker is not working anymore with opera 12, it keeps on reloading the splash screen indefinitely
[11:21] <qyx_> isnt it ~3 years old?
[11:22] <edmoore> dealing with that browser isn't my aria of expertise
[11:22] <edmoore> but usually lz1dev can fix bugs within tenor fifteen minutes
[11:22] <myier> qyx_: yes something like that, it has been abandonned
[11:24] <myier> also, with firefox, the predicted path isn't displaying for SPL1, is it normal?
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[11:27] <lz1dev> myier: which url?
[11:28] <myier> which for what? http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ for the tracker, and the button Path in for the path, where Hysplit was before
[11:28] <myier> oh I see, there's a new URL
[11:29] <myier> http://tracker.habhub.org/ works with opera, great, it may just be the redirection that fails
[11:29] <lz1dev> yeah
[11:29] <myier> you were right edmoore :)
[11:29] <myier> problem solved
[11:29] <myier> thank you lz1dev
[11:31] <edmoore> he can always get things quickly don
[11:31] <edmoore> giovani
[11:32] <daveake> If the site is don he'll get it bach in a minuet
[11:33] <edmoore> he'll get on is bike to the data centre, if he doesn't own one he can always rent one over the telephone
[11:33] <edmoore> you just need to ring cycle
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[11:34] <edmoore> anyway he's fixed it now without resorting to that, so no need to strauss him out
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[11:35] <daveake> No need to post on the Liszt
[11:36] <edmoore> i don't think liszt wrote any operas daveake
[11:36] <edmoore> though he did transcribe a few for piano during his monastic period
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[11:36] <edmoore> /pedant
[11:37] <Zumzi> hello all!
[11:37] <edmoore> hello zumzi
[11:37] <lz1dev> myier: can you try http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[11:37] <edmoore> do you want zumzing?
[11:37] <lz1dev> and see if it redirects properly
[11:37] <myier> lz1dev: yes it does! It seems to reload only once the first page now
[11:38] <daveake> I fixed an Opera bug once. It forgot to free a Handel
[11:38] <lz1dev> opera is a bug
[11:38] <lz1dev> :<
[11:38] <myier> it's fine
[11:39] <myier> thank you :)
[11:39] <myier> what about the path, is it supposed to be displayed when the balloon has not lifted off yet?
[11:40] <myier> I'll just use predict anyway
[11:40] <mattbrejza> lz1dev: can you hide the new sidebar on /mt?
[11:40] <lz1dev> settings
[11:40] <mattbrejza> oh right
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[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_LORA - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA
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[11:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA2 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA2
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[13:02] <Joe___> !flights
[13:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Joe___: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[13:19] <DL7AD_> !ping B-64
[13:19] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD_: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a month ago
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[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas!
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[16:26] <amell> edmoore: UKRA are restructuring - will no longer have paid memberships, it will be free.
[16:27] <edmoore> golly
[16:27] <edmoore> what do you pay for?
[16:27] <edmoore> range fees?
[16:27] <amell> yes, long time coming. they are dumping RSOs, as safety is the responsibility of individual clubs
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[16:28] <amell> they will just become a chapter of the BMFA and issue certifications, that is all.
[16:29] <edmoore> golly x2
[16:29] <edmoore> so a club will still have an RSO right?
[16:30] <amell> RSOs are up to the clubs
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[18:01] <Laurenceb__> anyone here used libreoffice draw?
[18:01] <Laurenceb__> im trying to process a pdf document generated with OCR
[18:02] <Laurenceb__> maybe inkscape would be a better choice, but i cant seem to process it as anything other than an image
[18:04] <qyx_> if it is ocr-ed, inkscape can do it
[18:04] <qyx_> it is imported as a single group
[18:05] <qyx_> so ungroup first.. you may have to do it multiple times
[18:06] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[18:06] <Laurenceb__> i tried that one
[18:08] <Laurenceb__> no inkscape thinks its a huge image
[18:08] <Laurenceb__> very odd
[18:08] <Laurenceb__> i can select the text in a pdf viewer, but then i lose the formatting
[18:09] <Laurenceb__> libreoffice will import it, but gives thousands of images with text overlaid
[18:10] <qyx_> this may be perfectly valid
[18:10] <qyx_> it depends on how your ocr handles it
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[18:11] <qyx_> some may generate small images over characters/lines it couldn't recognize
[18:11] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[18:11] <Laurenceb__> i need a macro to delete the images
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[18:19] <Laurenceb__> hmm think ive got one working now
[18:39] <Laurenceb__> but i need to export from draw as a text file
[18:39] Action: Laurenceb__ RAGEEE
[18:47] <qyx_> what about pdf2text
[18:47] <qyx_> *pdftotext
[18:48] <Laurenceb__> loses the formatting
[18:49] <Laurenceb__> im too lazy
[18:49] <qyx_> and pdftohtml
[18:49] <Laurenceb__> ah
[18:49] <Laurenceb__> thanks
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[18:58] <li4m0> Evening
[19:00] <fsphil> howdy
[19:00] <li4m0> Quick question. What's the best way of securing peripherals for example sd cards during a flight/landing
[19:01] <li4m0> I thinking along the lines of the pi sd card slot and pi camera to make sure they do not come loose
[19:01] <edmoore> tape or cableties or something
[19:01] <fsphil> duct tape
[19:01] <edmoore> or secure the pi such that the sd-card edge is up against something
[19:01] <edmoore> good thinking btw
[19:02] <fsphil> on my pi flights, I made sure the enclosure was just big enough so the sd card had pressure on it
[19:02] <edmoore> a number of flights have died because the batteries poppoed out of the holder on a bumpy landing, for example
[19:02] <fsphil> yea battery enclosures can be a gotcha
[19:02] <li4m0> Good ideas. I am planning everything to death to increase my chances!
[19:02] <daveake> Get an SD - microSD card adapter - the PCB type
[19:02] <daveake> Those won't fall out
[19:03] <fsphil> the A+ and B+ have a lock on the microsd card slot
[19:03] <li4m0> Ok cool I've just picked up an A+ but haven't had chance to look at it yet. I have an original b which I've been testing the camera etc on
[19:04] <daveake> The B is even more power hungry than the other models
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas
[19:04] <daveake> So I'd use an A or A+
[19:05] <Upu> [19:03] <fsphil> the A+ and B+ have a lock on the microsd card slot <- Yes but it doesn't work
[19:05] <li4m0> Yeh thanks David that's why I picked up the A+ with the intention of using that for flight
[19:05] <Upu> just pull the card gently it just comes straight out
[19:05] <fsphil> my B+ seems to have a faulty red LED, it's constantly flickering
[19:06] <daveake> I've seen that
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[19:07] <daveake> PSU issue
[19:07] <li4m0> My B seems to kill Sd cards so I'm just using the sd to boot off and then usb for mount
[19:07] <daveake> Probably a cheap PSU
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[19:08] <fsphil> I'm powering it from a bench psu
[19:08] <Upu> use the PSU on the PITS board
[19:08] <Upu> its good for 2.5A
[19:09] <li4m0> Thought I had f3 polyfuse problems but multimeter readings were ok. thats why I was a little hesitant in getting another pi
[19:09] <daveake> Try a different micro USB cable; some are shite
[19:09] <fsphil> the power's going in through the gpio pins
[19:09] <daveake> ok you got me beat :p
[19:09] <fsphil> lol
[19:09] <fsphil> yea this is why I'm wondering if it's just a fault
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[19:09] <Upu> which one fsphil ?
[19:09] <Upu> + ?
[19:10] <Upu> plus model ?
[19:10] <fsphil> yea B+
[19:10] <fsphil> never happened on the - models
[19:10] <edmoore> can you scope vcc?
[19:10] <Upu> how many volts and what pins ?
[19:10] <fsphil> hmm scope. will try that
[19:10] <Upu> are you sticking 5V in on the 5V pins ?
[19:10] <fsphil> yea
[19:10] <Upu> you can't back power @ 3.3V any more
[19:10] <Upu> ok
[19:10] <fsphil> yea I remembered your problems with it
[19:10] <edmoore> ldo's often don't like it up em
[19:10] <Upu> lol
[19:11] <edmoore> also note with scoping power supplies that you might need to do ac-coupling
[19:12] <edmoore> if you want to look at noise
[19:12] <edmoore> as noise is often low relative to the absolute dc level so hard to see
[19:12] <edmoore> i.e. you can't zoom into 10mW/dev with 5V dc-level as it's too high
[19:13] <edmoore> for this case though i guess you're looking for significant brownout-inducing drops
[19:21] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E43-CfukEgs rather large vacuum chamber.
[19:22] <edmoore> i could do with that
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> In my head I got ~100 quid pure energy simply to pump it out
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[19:38] <li4mo> Has anybody used one of those cheap mini gsm/gps trackers as a backup for recovery? Im thinking about the 16 quid ebay ones
[19:39] <Ian_> I think that two were used the other day on a Swedish flight that landed on a frozen lake. They both failed. Go with radio
[19:40] <li4mo> Yeh i was thinking in addition to radio just incase
[19:41] <daveake> Second radio :)
[19:41] <li4mo> landing behind a hill for example
[19:41] <ScottM85> yes, somebody used them a little while back as the only tracker
[19:41] <Ian_> Worth a GSM backup, but they seem to fail above 18km typically and if they fall into a ditch or upside down there is no signal. A good idea is as Daveake has just said go with a second tracker
[19:41] <ScottM85> I got myself one off ebay and they work great
[19:42] <Ian_> Do they work great at altitude or in a ditch though ScottM85?
[19:42] <ScottM85> they won't work at altitude at all
[19:43] <Ian_> So a failure to regain lock on the way down could leave you up the swannee
[19:43] <ScottM85> but mine gets an accurate GPS signal indoors so should work in a ditch
[19:43] <ScottM85> it's as a backup
[19:43] <Ian_> You are obviously willing to bet your whole package on it then!
[19:43] <li4mo> to be honest i'd like to use 2 x radio plus cheapo gsm
[19:44] <ScottM85> no, he asked as a backup
[19:45] <ScottM85> has anybody tried one of these to power arduino etc?
[19:45] <ScottM85> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Parrot-Drone-Upgrade-1500mah-Battery/dp/B00E0AX8ZA
[19:46] <ScottM85> never mind, seems 1500 mah is nothing
[19:46] <daveake> <ScottM85> but mine gets an accurate GPS signal indoors so should work in a ditch
[19:46] <daveake> No, it won't#
[19:47] <daveake> And it may well not regain lock at all on the way down
[19:47] <daveake> They seem to work about half the time for HAB
[19:47] <daveake> Not good enough
[19:48] <ScottM85> I'm using one as a backup
[19:48] <Ian_> Keep reading the channel and the concensus will be clear enough after watching a lot of flights.
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[19:49] <HF_ATL> ScottM85 for power source you must consider only the proved AA energizer ultimate lithium spec to work with a temp as low as -40ÂșC
[19:49] <daveake> Assuming you have a reliable tracking setup for receiving the radio telemetry, then a radio backup is a much better bet
[19:50] <daveake> Only time a gsm backup would be worthwhile would be if you can't guarantee being able to track the radio down to a reasonable altitude as it comes in to land
[19:50] <daveake> and if you can't do that then you need to fix that instead
[19:50] <edmoore> gsm backups were used a lot more before the flight predictor was written
[19:50] <edmoore> where you might be 100 miles away from it when it comes down
[19:50] <edmoore> nowadays it's much much easier to stay close
[19:51] <ScottM85> that's what I'm worried about, I've done some testing hanging my radio in a tree and driving down the road but I'm worried I lose track of it at altitude and have no idea where it came down
[19:51] <edmoore> it's much easier to track at altitude
[19:51] <edmoore> it's the final 1km where things get hairy
[19:51] <daveake> I'd only use one if I was launching/landing in a country with a sparse radio tracking network, and I wasn't confident of being fairly close to the payload as it lands
[19:52] <edmoore> but yes, i won't dissuade you from flying gsm if you want but having a radio link with gps lock through the entire flight is by some margin the most robust way of tracking and recovering
[19:52] <edmoore> so make sure the radio bit is solid
[19:52] <edmoore> and experiment with gsm as a nice-to-have
[19:52] <edmoore> inverting those priorities would be a mistake
[19:52] <ScottM85> but it only weighs 52g, almost not worth not sending it?
[19:53] <edmoore> what weighs 52g?
[19:53] <daveake> The danger I see with the gsm things is that people seem to think they'll get them out of the poo when they fail to track via radio
[19:53] <ScottM85> yeah, I am doing that, relying on radio and just having gsm as backup
[19:53] <daveake> So they don't put the effort into getting their tracking system working 100%
[19:53] <daveake> e.g. that Swedish flight
[19:53] <daveake> and some others
[19:53] <ScottM85> the gsm tracker with battery is 52g
[19:53] <edmoore> yes, i would design the mission as if gsm wasn't there
[19:54] <daveake> fly it by all means just assume it won't work :)
[19:54] <edmoore> much like you plan a sailing trip assuming you won't need a lifejacket
[19:54] <edmoore> ScottM85, i'd lob it on if it's only 52g
[19:54] <edmoore> that's not much
[19:54] <daveake> yep
[19:54] <ScottM85> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131172334340
[19:55] <ScottM85> yeah, that's the link to the one I got
[19:55] <edmoore> can't hurt
[19:55] <daveake> I flew one on a flight last year, when the guy supplying the cameras had one with him. Kinda spoiled it when his iphone popped up the landing position just before I got it on the radio :p
[19:55] <edmoore> but to flog the dead horse one last time, what everyone else has said above about radios
[19:55] <edmoore> is good battle-worn advice
[19:57] <daveake> For important flights I do add a second radio tracker as backup
[19:58] <ScottM85> I'm relying on radio, got the gsm thingy as a backup because I was worried about losing it in the sky, but if that bits easy then I should be ok
[19:58] <qyx_> gsm doesn$t work in the sky
[19:58] <li4mo> David - did you ever use an arudino to send back live pics or was this done for the first time using the pi?
[19:58] <daveake> It's been done on AVR before I did it on the pi
[19:59] <daveake> Not by me, i should add
[20:00] <li4mo> thanks, i will try and find some projects that did this
[20:00] <daveake> fsphil did it (he wrote the code that encodes/decodes the images)
[20:00] <edmoore> a very useful reminder of how under-taxed most microcontrollers are for the job they're being asked to do
[20:00] <daveake> I think 1 or 2 others used his system too
[20:00] <edmoore> as fsphil got it working on an 8-bit atmega
[20:00] <daveake> Yeah the advatnage of the Pi is easy/cheap connection to a decent quality camera
[20:01] <ScottM85> but do you not need a more powerful transmitter to reliably get images to the ground?
[20:01] <daveake> Only a tiny percentage of the Pi CPU time gets used
[20:01] <daveake> No, same transmitter
[20:01] <daveake> It's just slow
[20:01] <ScottM85> I'll bet
[20:02] <edmoore> ScottM85, there's actually some quite sophisticated physics that governs how to calculate how much data we can send over a given channel
[20:02] <daveake> We use higher baud rates (300 or 600 typically) for images, than we do for just telemetry (typically 50)
[20:02] <li4mo> Yeh i have the pi a+ and pi camera and want to use this with a pi in the sky when available :-) I also want to build a secind myself with arduino
[20:02] <edmoore> so for example
[20:02] <daveake> Range is less but is still plenty
[20:02] <ScottM85> and what if you lose one byte of the image? is there some sort of checksum?
[20:02] <daveake> and error correction
[20:03] <edmoore> if we say we have a 10mW transmitter going into a 1/4wave antenna, and 100km away we have the same antenna going into a decent amateur radio receiver, which has a receiver bandwidth of 3khz, and we assume a few dB of losses from connectors and stuff, then over than channel, with good error correcting codes, we should be able to send about 10kbps of data perfectly reliably
[20:03] <edmoore> and most of us just lob 50-baud over it!
[20:03] <edmoore> so 1/200 of the channel capacity
[20:04] <daveake> Yep it's slightly over-specced for the job even though 10mW sounds feeble
[20:04] <edmoore> of course the way we do it with 50-baud is nice and simple and simple tends to win
[20:04] <edmoore> and helps get more people into the hobby
[20:04] <ScottM85> ok, I didn't realise that
[20:04] <edmoore> the term to google is the Shannon Limit
[20:05] <daveake> and when it lands, and you're listening on the radio for the signal, 50 baud is much easier to notice than 300 or especially 600 baud is
[20:05] <edmoore> but it's probably all a bit academic if you don't have a direct interest in error correction and communication theory
[20:06] <ScottM85> I'll take a look but will probably be over my head :)
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[20:06] <edmoore> yep, unless you do a masters in it there's no need to go there :)
[20:06] <edmoore> but i thought i'd let you know just for interest
[20:07] <edmoore> and as a working engineering you can apply the results from it to calculate link budgets without having to understand all the derivation
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[20:07] <edmoore> working engineer*
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[20:13] <ScottM85> it makes sense but how are you supposed to know the SNR or S/N?
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[20:14] <edmoore> you calculate it
[20:14] <edmoore> so for example
[20:14] <edmoore> the transmitted power is 10mW
[20:14] <edmoore> that gets spread out of a sphere of 100km radius is the thing is 100km away
[20:15] <edmoore> and assuming the radiation pattern is a perfect sphere - 1/4 waves have gain
[20:15] <edmoore> so to shortcut explanation there's an equation you use to calculate the free space path loss
[20:16] <edmoore> that tells you what you need to multiply your 10mW by to get the signal power arriving at the receiver
[20:16] <edmoore> then there are equations for calculating the noise power at the receiver as a function of sensitivity and bandwidth and so on
[20:16] <edmoore> and you divide one by the other to get snr
[20:17] <edmoore> so noise just comes from everywhere - cosmic background radiation, the neighbour's dodgy toaster, and atoms in your radio receiver just humming by virtue of them being about 0Kelvin
[20:17] <edmoore> (google boltzmann noise for the last one)
[20:18] <edmoore> just to re-iterate you don't need to do any of these calcs for hab as we have tried-and testing things but of course i support you doing them if it's just for interest's sake
[20:25] <Ian_> edmoore, your neighbour Mr Boltzmann has a dodgy toaster? :)
[20:26] <edmoore> he was experimenting with his noise!
[20:26] <edmoore> a good way of getting high resistence and high temp
[20:26] <Ian_> At breakfast time no doubt. :) Hope the he and you are ready for tomorrow.
[20:27] <edmoore> i have 'fly
[20:27] <edmoore> sucks
[20:27] <edmoore> 'flu*
[20:27] <edmoore> mouth-breathing and can't swallow
[20:27] <edmoore> duvet and laptop and lemsip is pretty much all i've done today
[20:28] <Ian_> Paracetamol for the condition, (lemsip qualifies), Fisherman's friends for the thick throat and half a bottle of something strong to take the mind off it.
[20:29] <edmoore> dad actually opened a grand cru burgundy for lunch
[20:29] <edmoore> i'm told it tasted nice :(
[20:29] <Ian_> Get well soon. If you don't eat your quota of Christmas dinner someone will be disappointed. Well fat before forty!
[20:30] <Ian_> I'm eating a bit of Bambi tomorrow.
[20:30] <edmoore> nice!
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[20:32] <Ian_> As long as the wife sticks to the script that is . . . should be delish
[20:32] <edmoore> and it's goodbyefrommegoodbye
[20:32] <edmoore> which is to say, university challenge just finished
[20:33] <Ian_> OOps. watching SkyFall, but wife considers University Challenge to be her education program. Bit of a fan too . . . :)
[20:40] <fsphil> bond on itv. I'm shocked.
[20:42] <daveake> I'm shaken
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[21:10] <craag> traceroute -m255 xmas.futile.net
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw Royal Society christmas lectures this year by a EE person
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> looks interesting
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[21:19] <DL7AD_mobile> Evening
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD_mobile
[21:21] <DL7AD_mobile> Hi lunar merry Xmas
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> thanks, the same to you
[21:24] <DL7AD_mobile> Thx
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[21:54] <HF_ATL> merry xmas for all of you hab enthusiasts
[21:58] <li4mo> merry xmas
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[21:59] <Myself> Leo makes it around the world more times a year than Santa does :P
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[22:00] <edmoore> callsign: nightB4xmas
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> merry christmas
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[22:44] <mfa298> craag: and now we know why there's a shortage of IPv4 addresses
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[23:54] <Ian_> With ten minutes to go gents, Merry Christmas to you all and your families and loved ones. Enjoy.
[23:54] <Ian_> Hopefully Santa will bring you something nice.
[00:00] --- Thu Dec 25 2014