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[04:23] <Myself> kc2pit_: You've mentioned in the past, finding data for ambient noise at various frequencies. Did you also run across atmospheric attenuation numbers? Someone in #wireless just expressed surprise/relief at finding a graph of same which goes "down to" 1GHz, and I thought it was pretty well characterized below that, but sure enough, I come up empty on a cursory search.
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[05:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03?????_chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F_chase
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[09:13] <AndChat|558201> A good morning test
[09:14] <craag> good morning!
[09:15] <AndChat|558201> Thank you good morning!
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[09:20] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn!
[09:21] Nick change: gonzo__ -> gonzo_
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[09:23] <AndChat|558201> Does anybody have a rough idea of when the new pi in the sky boards will be released? Looking forward to getting one
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[09:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> i think upu has mentioend something about end of jan
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[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Look back in the Log for 16:54 last night
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[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Logs are here http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[09:26] <AndChat|558201> Thanks for that
[09:29] <AndChat|558201> In the process of building my own but would like something I know will work as well!
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[09:31] <AndChat|558201> /join highaltitude
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[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPL1 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=SPL1
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[10:19] <edmoore> stilldavid, i took a photo from almost the same spot last year i think
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[10:19] <edmoore> with befirended seagull who was eyeing my sandwich
[10:19] <edmoore> https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8458571309/
[10:25] <number10> edmoore: I got mobbed by gulls at Derwent who were after bread https://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/15818208828/ it was like a scene from the birds
[10:25] <edmoore> ha wow!
[10:26] <number10> one of them pulled my wifes wolly hat off
[10:26] <number10> wooly
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[10:29] <edmoore> similar http://i.imgur.com/sflZ2uM.jpg
[10:30] <edmoore> though not quite as first-person!
[10:30] <Darkside> heh
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[10:55] <navrac_2E0VKK> hmm - has anyone else noticed the amazing similarity of the designs and colours of Bostik Fast -tak adhesive and WD40 aerosol cans?
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[10:58] <edmoore> you're right navrac_2E0VKK
[10:58] <navrac_2E0VKK> yup - amazing how poor fast tak works as a lubricant...
[10:59] <M6XIMan> Yay
[10:59] <M6XIMan> My R820T2 has arrived
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[11:00] <navrac_2E0VKK> my sark110 has arrived today so I'm happy too - however now i've verified it works its been put under the xmas tree
[11:00] <M6XIMan> I'll have to see if it performs better than my "old" rtlsdr
[11:01] <M6XIMan> Supposedly has better sensitivity
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[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA2 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA2
[11:31] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA after 0317 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA
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[11:54] <lz1dev> !hysplit remove g-08
[11:54] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Removed 03g-08 from defaults
[11:56] <lz1dev> !aprs info aeth32-4
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03AETH32-4 is near 03Yuma County, AZ, USA 10(32.47858,-113.78152) at 0318120 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/AETH32-4
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03AETH32-4>APRS via 03qAR,WB3CVN
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 0320kmph Course: 0340°
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03NFWA,D`0c
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Telemetry: 03Main 100.958 V 03Aux 100 V 03Temp 10-56.6 C 03Sat 105 # 03Alt 1059440 ft
[11:56] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 59440 ft = 18 km
[11:56] <lz1dev> !aprs find WB3CVN
[11:56] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03WB3CVN was near 03New Castle County, DE, USA 10(39.61533,-75.70917) about 0337 minutes ago - 12http://aprs.fi/WB3CVN
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[13:35] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon all
[13:36] <chrisstubbs> Has anyone used Spirit Circuits "Go Naked" before?
[13:40] <edmoore> not personally but i know a few people who have
[13:40] <edmoore> without complaint
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[13:42] <chrisstubbs> Do you know if they do plated thru holes or vias or is it just straight up copper and drilled holes?
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[13:47] <chrisstubbs> "The Go-Naked service is for a 1.6 thick 1 or 2 layer board. It includes the
[13:47] <chrisstubbs> drilling with plating holes and immersion silver finish but does not include
[13:47] <chrisstubbs> solder masks, idents, or routing.
[13:47] <chrisstubbs> oops
[13:47] <chrisstubbs> Sounds good to me :)
[13:47] <edmoore> i think it's pth?
[13:47] <edmoore> but actually i don't know
[13:47] <edmoore> i think it would be weird to offer double-sided but not pth
[13:48] <chrisstubbs> True, but looks like they do
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[13:50] <edmoore> ref on the net says pth
[13:51] <chrisstubbs> Sorry I meant they do offer it :P
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[14:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:11] <chrisstubbs> Hi Lunar_Lander
[14:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi chris, how is life?
[14:15] <chrisstubbs> Yeah good thanks, got the led scope thing working properly last night. Have you ordered your new HAB boards?
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> the motor controller ones?
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Meanwhile, in soviet russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIGKMO_twoc
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[14:22] <SpeedEvil> It's amazing how low the cloud is
[14:23] <chrisstubbs> Wow
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[14:25] <cm13g09> afternoon chrisstubbs
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[14:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HB9RSU _chase - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=HB9RSU%20_chase
[14:52] <chrisstubbs> Hi cm13g09
[15:04] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: how goes?
[15:08] <amell> !ping b-64
[15:08] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a month ago
[15:15] <cm13g09> amell: :(
[15:23] <fsphil> [off topic] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ORUwmIgAAtxIh.jpg:large
[15:23] <fsphil> nice shot of curiosity's wheels
[15:23] <fsphil> well, wheel
[15:23] <cm13g09> afternoon fsphil
[15:24] <amell> good shot. surprised at apparent lack of thread wear
[15:24] Action: cm13g09 is working today and tomorrow :(
[15:24] <fsphil> oh no!
[15:24] <fsphil> that said, it saves you from daytime telly
[15:24] <cm13g09> It's OK.... could be worse.... I could be on-call Christmas Day and Boxing day..... oh wait.... I am.
[15:25] <cm13g09> thankfully, working from home today/tomorrow ;)
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[15:29] Action: cm13g09 should not be listening to I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue....
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[15:30] <edmoore> cm13g09, why not?
[15:30] <cm13g09> edmoore: I'm "working"
[15:31] <edmoore> you can have the radio on when working
[15:31] <edmoore> otherwise, what have we become?
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[15:32] <cm13g09> true
[15:33] <edmoore> i often have to have the radio on at work
[15:33] <edmoore> if i'm doing something that doesn't require max concentration
[15:33] <edmoore> like soldering
[15:34] <cm13g09> lol
[15:34] <cm13g09> I'm coding ;)
[15:35] <fsphil> music is essential for coding
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[15:36] <cm13g09> fsphil: Including, but not limited to, the dulcet tones of Graham Garden and Tim Brooke-Taylor attempting to sing along to Colin Sell's piano accompaniment.....
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> did someone ping me
[15:42] <Laurenceb__> like ages ago in the scrollback while i was drunk and partying....
[15:44] <number10> no I dont think so, you were just drunk Laurenceb__
[15:44] <Laurenceb__> someone should invent a "ping dump"
[15:44] <Laurenceb__> lol
[15:44] <number10> :)
[15:44] <Laurenceb__> all pings go to a log file
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[15:44] <Laurenceb__> i just woke up at 3:20pm
[15:44] <Laurenceb__> :S
[15:45] <number10> thats worse than a teenager
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[15:55] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[15:56] <mfa298> already done pm
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[16:54] <gurgalof> Laurenceb__: I'm worse, I woke up 16:30
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[17:23] <Laurenceb__> http://www.sdo-iek.ru/lib/conoux-001.pdf
[17:24] <Laurenceb__> looks a bit BS.. but i cant find anything obviously wrong with it
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> In what respsect?
[17:30] <Laurenceb__> the numbers seem to work.. apart from 4W for ballast.. wtf
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> 'seem to work' - so what - for a light with ~80lm/W
[17:30] <Laurenceb__> econolux claim to have made grow lamps that are 2.5 times better than the best LED stuff
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> LEDs can hit 160
[17:30] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[17:30] <Laurenceb__> yeah thats their older stuff
[17:31] <Laurenceb__> http://www.econoluxindustries.com/Plant-lights/Plant-lights.html
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> yeah - plantmens is where it's at.
[17:31] <Laurenceb__> http://www.econoluxindustries.com/Plant-lights/ELPL-RS%20Spectrum+HPS+PAR%20Curve.png
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> but I've never found a nice curve for those
[17:31] <Laurenceb__> looks sort of feasible
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[17:32] <SpeedEvil> i wish there was a simple and sane definition of plantmen
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> that is - effect of light per unit wavelength intensity on plant growth
[17:33] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.econoluxindustries.com/Plant-lights/Plant-lights.html - I don't see a claim for 2.5*
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> So, you're reduced to comparing spectrums, and going from published lumen graphs to radiometric, to plant-metric, and by this time your head has exploded
[17:35] <Laurenceb__> http://www.econoluxindustries.com/Technology.html
[17:35] <Laurenceb__> http://www.econoluxindustries.com/Technology/ELPL%20Plant-light%20Trial%20Run%20Averages.png
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Aha
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> Is there an actual model of LED they claim to hae used?
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[17:44] <Laurenceb__> " Trial 3: We presently have an ongoing growing trial with a licensed Medical Cannabis grower"
[17:44] <Laurenceb__> lol
[17:44] <Laurenceb__> cant see it
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetically_active_radiation#mediaviewer/File:Par_action_spectrum.gif
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> The absolute peak is 430nm, and 680nm or so
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> But anywhere from 400 to 400 is oer 80%.
[17:50] <Laurenceb__> hmm
[17:50] <Laurenceb__> seems like they are right about LED lifetime
[17:50] <Laurenceb__> induction really is ~3 times better
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> Actually - 'royal blue' LEDs are smack on the peak - and ~58% efficient
[17:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XPEBRY-L1-0000-00P01/XPEBRY-L1-0000-00P01TR-ND/4111325
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> you don't much care about lifetime as electricity cost may totally dominate
[17:58] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LH%20CP7P-2T3T-1/475-3008-2-ND/3503640 would seem pretty good for the other
[17:59] <Laurenceb__> interesting
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[17:59] <SpeedEvil> >50% effiient
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> red LEDs have gotten a lot better
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> The other obvious question
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> Can you make a green activated phosphor that emits red
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> And lay it in big sheets on the ground to boost sun
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> Gah - now how do I work out what the QE is of those lights from going from watts to PARs
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[21:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA after 039 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA
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[21:51] <Maxell> uh-oh :P
[21:51] <Maxell> Above Earth HTC Phone Filming and Fireworks Part 1 Inert Firework Test (1 of 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbymuO3mRQ8
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[21:55] <edmoore> i'm still not going to buy an HTC phone
[21:56] <edmoore> probably even less so until there's a societal backlash against extremely commercial advertising efforts being presented as matey video blogs on youtube
[21:57] <edmoore> while waiting for hell to freeze over i'll carry on tinkering
[21:58] <Laurenceb__> ill get off your lawn
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[22:55] <amell> wtf re UKHAS mailing list discussion
[22:55] <amell> what planet is the guy on?
[22:55] <amell> my list is 1) B-64 2) B-63 3) B-66. end of.
[22:56] <Darkside> christopia
[22:56] <Darkside> or hillcoxia
[22:56] <amell> is that like, an extreme version of myopia?
[22:57] <Upu> he doesn't really take part in the community
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> btw why did the programme end after B-66?
[22:57] <Upu> mission sucess
[22:57] <Darkside> leo had real work to do
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:57] <Upu> no more planet to go round
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> true
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:58] <arko> leo's aiming for mars now
[22:58] <arko> earth is sooo 2014
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:58] <amell> would like to see a B launched in the southern hemisphere, for data completeness.
[22:58] <arko> i wasnt serious >_<
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> I know :)
[22:58] <Darkside> amell: ohi
[22:58] <arko> hah
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> but I think that there are ideas for Martian balloons
[22:59] <Darkside> problem is in the southern hemisphere theres a lot less land
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> there had been two balloons at Venus already and I think I saw a NASA concept for that too
[22:59] <amell> did you read the article about balloons over venus?
[22:59] <amell> snap
[22:59] <amell> apparently venus is ideal for habbing
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea, the two Vega balloons from 1986
[23:00] <amell> http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/adv_tech/balloons/venus.htm
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[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[23:02] <amell> i like the idea of phase change balloons
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> Plasma is cool.
[23:21] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening
[23:23] <Reb-SM0ULC> Lunar_Lander: the mission was too successfull.. ;) leo said he would wait with new launches until they all were down.. if i remember correctly
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> hej :)
[23:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> vk3yt did some funky stuff with exploring long range comms, wsrp, jt9, jt65, olivia etc
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[23:50] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA2 after 0312 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA2
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