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[08:22] <SA6BSS> The word is that someone called helios team yeasterday, the payload had been found on a frosen lake.
[08:22] <UpuWork> lucky :/
[08:22] <SA6BSS> indeed!!
[08:23] <daveake> very very very lucky
[08:24] <daveake> As fsphil said, they must have sung "Let It Go" at the launch lol
[08:24] <SA6BSS> hope they get some finders fee
[08:27] <daveake> I hope the launchers don't think that this makes it a success. The completely failed to track and they used 2 duff SMS backup trackers
[08:28] <daveake> Complete lack of testing
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[09:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> good morning
[09:06] <daveake> morning
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[09:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> All the creds to the PITS-makers making it possible for me to receive it at about 190 km range with rtl-dongle and stock antenna. Never thought that was possible.
[09:08] <daveake> Well it's just an MTX2; not much we can do break that :)
[09:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> schhh
[09:09] <daveake> At least it got received by someone :/
[09:09] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm
[09:09] <daveake> That's probably quite good going for 300 baud.
[09:10] <UpuWork> thanks for helping them out Reb-SM0ULC
[09:11] <UpuWork> we appreciate it even if they didn't
[09:12] <daveake> yup
[09:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> well. i'm the one how should be thankfull. without your help there wouldnät have been a tracker onboard...
[09:15] <daveake> Without yor efforts we wouldn't know if the PITS board was working or not
[09:15] <daveake> +u
[09:15] <HB9RSU> next PITS will launch this saturday. Not on a PI A+ though...
[09:16] <daveake> There's wasn't a + either
[09:16] <daveake> Only + launches have been my tests
[09:17] <HB9RSU> ok... we tested it the las WE and it works well. I chose to run it at 50 Baud only though and without SSDV
[09:18] <daveake> ok
[09:18] <daveake> That will be the first 50 baud flight with it then :)
[09:18] <HB9RSU> really? I had troubles with decoding at 300
[09:19] <daveake> What receiver?
[09:19] <daveake> yes all mine have been 300 or 600
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[09:20] <HB9RSU> Funcube pro+ and some cheap RTLSDR's on HB9CV beams
[09:20] <daveake> should work fine
[09:21] <HB9RSU> the 300 test were done in close proximity. So maybe the RX was saturated then
[09:21] <daveake> I had an AOR scanner that really couldn't cope at 300, but otherwise I've had no issues
[09:22] <edmoore> might have worked on fm at 300 baud
[09:22] <mfa298> for 300/600 you need to increase the filter bandwidth in dl-fldigi which isn't always an obvious change (and isn't normally automatic)
[09:24] <HB9RSU> for this flight I stick with the 50. it's fast enough for the few characters. It's the fist flight ever for us
[09:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: well, it worked, and great. now more shopping...
[09:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> l8r
[09:25] <daveake> yeah if you're not doing images then stick with 50
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[09:27] <HB9RSU> the images are stored localy by a Paython script which also sets the system time read out from the GPS data (no network, no network time... the PI really needs a RTC)
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[09:29] <daveake> That last thing is in my todo list for the pits s/w
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[10:16] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[10:32] <lz1dev> looks like a phone number is more reliable than gps
[10:35] <daveake> Well it is tricky to get wrong
[10:39] <lz1dev> i had a relative ask me i got their seasonal greeting text
[10:39] <lz1dev> my answer was no
[10:40] <lz1dev> long story short, they were sending me text for a few years to a complete wrong mobile number
[10:40] <edmoore> that'd do it
[10:41] <lz1dev> sms is like udp
[10:41] <lz1dev> :)
[10:42] <gonzo__> I'm still getting xmas cards for the previous owners of the house
[10:42] <gonzo__> I've been in there for 17yrs. So they must obviousl be close friends!
[10:43] <lz1dev> :D
[10:49] Nick change: day- -> day
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[11:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_LORA2 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA2
[11:04] <lz1dev> !aprs info aeth32-2
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03AETH32-2 is near 03Imperial County, CA, USA 10(33.33857,-114.85464) at 0323082 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/AETH32-2
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03AETH32-2>APRS via 03qAS,W6MF
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 037kmph Course: 0388°
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03WA,!+0b
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Telemetry: 03Main 101.196 V 03Aux 100 V 03Temp 10-71.1 C 03Sat 107 # 03Alt 1075730 ft
[11:04] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1075730 ft = 328 km
[11:05] <lz1dev> !aprs info W6MF
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03W6MF was near 03San Diego County, CA, USA 10(33.37016,-117.21634) about 0315 minutes ago - 12http://aprs.fi/info/W6MF
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03W6MF>APU25N via 03qAR,NG6B-A
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03-/
[11:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03Fallbrook,CA
[11:05] <qyx_> -71°C?
[11:06] <lz1dev> brrr :P
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[11:06] Nick change: DrLuke__ -> DrLuke
[11:07] <lz1dev> yesterday it was igated by something in texas
[11:07] <lz1dev> maybe it turned around
[11:07] <lz1dev> still hilarious that it transmitting the same position for 3 days :D
[11:08] <lz1dev> !aprs info aeth32-4
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03AETH32-4 is near 03Yuma County, AZ, USA 10(32.47858,-113.78152) at 0318120 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/AETH32-4
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03AETH32-4>APRS via 03qAR,POTEAU
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 0320kmph Course: 0340°
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03NFWA,%%0b KF5KMP
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Telemetry: 03Main 101.039 V 03Aux 100 V 03Temp 10-62.8 C 03Sat 105 # 03Alt 1059440 ft
[11:08] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1059440 ft = 323 km
[11:08] <lz1dev> !aprs info qAR,POTEAU
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[11:08] <lz1dev> !aprs find POTEAU
[11:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03POTEAU was near 03Le Flore County, OK, USA 10(35.07333,-94.67834) about 038 minutes ago - 12http://aprs.fi/POTEAU
[11:08] <lz1dev> above texas
[11:08] <lz1dev> hmm
[11:09] <lz1dev> !aprs find KE8DM
[11:09] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Error: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf8 in position 47: invalid start byte
[11:10] <daveake> bots correcting each other, luvvit
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[11:10] <lz1dev> https://github.com/philcrump/SIbot/pull/3
[11:10] <lz1dev> fix
[11:11] <lz1dev> ping craag
[11:14] <lz1dev> !aprs find WB9COY-1
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03WB9COY-1 is near 03San Diego County, CA, USA 10(32.94866,-117.2605) - 12http://aprs.fi/WB9COY-1
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[11:21] <pc1pcl-qrl> maybe if the colorcode was sent before the space, SIBot would be recognizing the Alt in feet properly? so "Alt^C10 59440 ft" instead of "Alt ^C1059440 ft"?
[11:21] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 59440 ft = 18 km
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[11:34] <lz1dev> pc1pcl-qrl: wouldn't you say the bot just removing colors codes before it does it's magic is a better solution?
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[11:45] <Laurenceb__> wow
[11:45] <Laurenceb__> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233
[11:45] Action: Laurenceb__ orders
[11:46] <lz1dev> dat price
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[11:49] <SpeedEvil> lolz
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> $149 for a socket
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[11:49] <SpeedEvil> And a datasheet
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> $199 for the FLIR thingy, $100 back on ebay for 'spares and repairs' once you get the chip out
[11:50] <Laurenceb__> ah
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[11:59] <pc1pcl-qrl> lz1dev: it might be, I think it would just have to do the equivalent of "s/\003[0-9][0-9]?(,[0-9][0-9]?)?//g". Probably debugging that regexp properly is more work than avoiding the issue by putting the color code on the other side of the space.
[11:59] <lz1dev> didn't you see a the link?
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> http://www.mae.virginia.edu/microhx/images/thermalproperties2.gif
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> interesting
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> aspen aerogels insulation should be down to 5mW/mK at 12km
[12:32] <Laurenceb__> 80mAh at keep a 3cm*3cm*4mm battery at -40C with -60C ambient for 19hours
[12:32] <Laurenceb__> thats actually doable
[12:35] <jededu> Getting close with DomonoEX16 but I lose the decode after about 15 characters http://imgur.com/weICVfP
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[12:36] <SpeedEvil> I need to try to make some aerogel
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: Actually - make it rather larger, fill with hydrogen, skip the balloon
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[12:55] <fsphil> theRealSIbot | In real units: 1059440 ft = 323 km
[12:55] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1059440 ft = 323 km
[12:55] <fsphil> where did it get the 1059440 from?
[12:55] <lz1dev> color code
[12:55] <fsphil> ah
[12:55] <fsphil> missed that bit of the conversation
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[13:04] <mfa298> other fix would be have the bots use NOTIFY rather than PRIVMSG (as the RFC suggestes), although I'm not totally sure I agree with that as a solution.
[13:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-9 after 0313 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KF5PGW-9
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[14:04] <mclane_> uBlox drives me crazy
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[14:06] <Myself> how so?
[14:09] <mclane_> they changed the protocol from max7 to m8
[14:09] <mclane_> in some subtile areas
[14:10] <mclane_> length of UBX-NAV-PVT changed from 92 to 100 bytes
[14:11] <mclane_> got some crazy effects due to that
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[14:14] <craag> lz1dev: merged, thanks!
[14:15] <lz1dev> !aprs info aeth32-2
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03AETH32-2 is near 03Imperial County, CA, USA 10(33.33857,-114.85464) at 0323082 meters - 12http://aprs.fi/info/AETH32-2
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Path: 03AETH32-2>APRS via 03qAS,W6MF
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Symbol: 03O/ Speed: 037kmph Course: 0388°
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Comment: 03WA/*A0b
[14:15] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Telemetry: 03Main 101.274 V 03Aux 100 V 03Temp 10-69.1 C 03Sat 107 # 03Alt 1075730 ft
[14:15] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 75730 ft = 23 km
[14:15] <lz1dev> :)
[14:17] <craag> lz1dev: Just noticed that pull req was from a week ago..
[14:17] <craag> Sorry about that - will check my notification settings..
[14:17] <lz1dev> lol
[14:17] <lz1dev> don't worry about it
[14:18] <lz1dev> #2 is even better :P
[14:18] <craag> relevant checkbox checked.
[14:19] <lz1dev> github sometimes doesn't send notifications for me
[14:19] <lz1dev> not sure why
[14:19] <craag> I was set only to receive an email when I was @mentioned
[14:19] <craag> Only other settings is to receive emails for everything I'm watching
[14:20] <craag> What about just my own repos :/
[14:21] <craag> heh yes we tried #2, but it was a bit too trigger happy for peoples liking.
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[14:23] <lz1dev> SI all the things
[14:24] Action: SpeedEvil was recently using the unit 'ton meters per pound sterling'
[14:24] <ulfr> Better than kilotons per second.
[14:25] <lz1dev> althought you can tune it by addding/removing stuff from the array
[14:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321210152209 (is about 11)
[14:32] <M6XIMan> Hi guys
[14:33] Action: M6XIMan waves
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[14:34] <jededu> 05Success Dominoex in BASIC :) http://imgur.com/zcofzwW
[14:35] <edmoore> congratulations i think
[14:35] <jededu> Lol thx edmoore
[14:35] <daveake> and commiserations
[14:36] <jededu> easy :)
[14:36] <Lunar_LanderU> see you later!
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[14:37] <edmoore> we live in hope
[14:39] <lz1dev> and 2014 :)
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[14:59] <edusupport> ping upu
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[15:05] <UpuWork> ping jededu
[15:06] <jededu> Hi upu
[15:06] <UpuWork> yo
[15:06] <UpuWork> is it quick just nipping into a meeting ?
[15:07] <jededu> Does the MTX@ have an internal pullup 100k pullup like the NTX2B
[15:07] <jededu> MTX2
[15:07] <jededu> On the TX pin
[15:07] <UpuWork> 47k
[15:07] <UpuWork> DC coupled input for 3V CMOS logic. Rin=47k&
[15:07] <UpuWork> http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/mtx2.pdf
[15:07] <UpuWork> Page 3
[15:07] <jededu> Cool thx
[15:08] <UpuWork> nps back in 15
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[15:46] <jededu> Do still need to transmit the checksum with dominoex ?
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes
[15:46] <jededu> Ahh ok
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> dl-fldigi and habitat expect it in the format
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> are you doing RSID at to precedeed it ?
[15:48] <jededu> Not yet ill get this working first
[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Good idea! Just that there is no AFC with these codes so RSID allows tracking
[15:50] <jededu> Ok thx
[15:54] <edmoore> the uploader and server bit don't care what modulation or encoding you use, they only deal with the decoded messages
[15:54] <edmoore> so you still need a message with a checksum regardless of dominoex, rtty, carrier pigeon, whatever.
[15:55] <edmoore> separate concerns
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[16:07] <mfa298> hmmm, do the habhub servers have support for rfc 1149 then
[16:08] <mattbrejza> althoguh really crc should be optional as the checksum may be handled by a different layer of the communication stack
[16:08] <edmoore> my separation was up to the thing that curls
[16:08] <edmoore> so if that can support rfc1149 then gravy
[16:09] <edmoore> i suspect hams have got it as a backup option somewhere
[16:09] <lz1dev> unforntuantelly rfc1149 is not supported
[16:09] <mattbrejza> isnt there a manual uploader though>
[16:10] <mattbrejza> cant rfc1149 be supported using that?
[16:10] Action: mfa298 wonders if anyone has done a study of whether rfc1149 is possibly at >30km altitude
[16:10] <lz1dev> i suggest you consider the breadcrumb method
[16:10] Action: mfa298 suspects there might be extra issues with it at higher altitude
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[16:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> mfa298: how heavy is a jumbo-frame?
[16:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> when standard MTU is 256 mg
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[16:52] <zeta> hi all
[16:52] <daveake> afternoon
[16:53] <zeta> probably a common question but can't find any info, does anyone know when the PITS is likely to be shipping for the RasPi A+, are we talking weeks or months?
[16:54] <edmoore> it's not that common a question don't worry
[16:54] <edmoore> most people build there own flight computers
[16:54] <UpuWork> last week in Jan fingers crossed
[16:55] <UpuWork> But yes you can also make your own which is much more interesting
[16:55] <daveake> Plenty of time to make your own before they ship :)
[16:56] <UpuWork> THey are going to the PCB assemblers on the 5th of Jan
[16:56] <UpuWork> they are closed over the holidays
[16:56] <UpuWork> they normally turn round in 2-3 weeks
[16:56] <UpuWork> Right I'm off back from home
[16:57] <zeta> thanks
[17:00] <edmoore> making your own is both more interesting and more educational for what it's worth
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[17:01] <zeta> Ian just looking on UKHAS now
[17:01] <edmoore> a rich but chaotically organised seam of lots of stuff
[17:02] <edmoore> we can help put it into context if you have questions
[17:03] <zeta> when you say people build their own flight computers do you mean they would not use something like a RasPi and instead use a micro controller or something?
[17:04] <edmoore> exactly
[17:04] <edmoore> arduinos are popular since arduinos become popular, but the hobby predates them and people use all sorts
[17:05] <zeta> yes like many things in hobby electronics :)
[17:05] <edmoore> a big advantage of a micro is that it can use about 100-1000th of the power of the pi for the job of processing a signal from a gps and driving a radio
[17:05] <edmoore> so where the pi is maybe 1-2W, a micro can do it for about 2mW
[17:08] <edmoore> this means you can get hours/days from one or two AA batteries, which will come in very nice especially on your first chase where it takes you a few hours to recover the payload from wherever it lands
[17:09] <zeta> i hadn't thought about the prolonged chase period
[17:10] <edmoore> it happens
[17:11] <edmoore> i'd always design for the case that there's no predictor, no distributed listener, just you and a radio in the car, and a fairly panful trek to recover it
[17:11] <edmoore> 99% of the time it'll be much easier than that but if you treat it like that then you'll be prepared for any of the 100 things that might go wrong
[17:12] <daveake> This happens. One of mind landed the other side of a mountain and we were very very lucky to get a position before it was too dark to continue up the mountain track. Next day the AVR tracker was still running fine and we recovered the flight.
[17:13] <zeta> ouch
[17:14] <adamgreig> all part of the fun
[17:15] <adamgreig> same reason you make sure it's all nice and robust
[17:15] <adamgreig> the edmoore test is "can you throw it down a staircase OK"
[17:15] <adamgreig> but also consider "what if a car drives into it at 40mph"
[17:15] <edmoore> yes - no batteries just loosely in those holders, as the bounce out if you pash them
[17:15] <edmoore> tape them in
[17:15] <edmoore> etc
[17:16] <adamgreig> could the micro sd card from your gopro camera be flung out of the payload onto the A road?
[17:16] <edmoore> have everything mechanically robust for a hard landing
[17:16] <edmoore> nothing worse than having it turn off on a bumpy landing
[17:16] <edmoore> you probably are allowed to have it fail if a car drives into it
[17:17] <edmoore> as that never ever happens so it's an improbably design criteria
[17:19] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:19] <zeta> there is only so much you can plan for I guess! Is there a UKHAS forum or just the mailing list and irc?
[17:20] <edmoore> the latter
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[17:21] <edmoore> this channel is a good place for talking shop, technically
[17:21] <mfa298> and there's the wiki
[17:22] <daveake> Basically, if you treat the wiki as a goody bag full of useful information, and then come here when you got find what you want, you'll be in good shape
[17:22] <daveake> s/got/can't/
[17:27] <edmoore> yes, there's lots on the wiki but finding it can be hard
[17:27] <edmoore> if you think something ut might exist but can't find it then come and ask
[17:27] <edmoore> we might be able to dig it up
[17:29] <zeta> ok thanks
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[18:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA
[18:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_LORA2 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=PI_SKY_LORA2
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[19:49] <itsy> Hi @ all
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[19:53] <itsy> We would like to start a ballon and track it via the aprs network. We wonder now how to log it on habhub. Is the only possibility to do it with an receiver an the dl-fldigi ?
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> APRS and dl-fldigi are two completely different things
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> dl-fldigi is primarily for recieving non-APRS
[19:54] <itsy> ok, we will use the aprs network on 144.800
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> The APRS network is not related to HAB at all
[19:54] <mikestir> you can ask to have a particular aprs callsign piped into habhub
[19:54] <SpeedEvil> that
[19:55] <itsy> on the habhub card there is a slider for aprs ...
[19:55] <mikestir> yeah but it only shows callsigns that have been explicitly enabled. basically you get your payload working on aprs and then ask around in here to get it enabled on habhub
[19:56] <itsy> ah, ok - now I understand! My English is not the best - sorry for that!
[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Which country are you in itsy ?
[19:56] <itsy> germany
[19:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Ah right, your licensed then
[19:57] <itsy> for sending on 144.800? yes you are right
[19:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> As a radio amateur?
[19:58] <itsy> yes - we have an Radio Amateur in our group
[19:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> That's OK then, some aren't always aware for the need!
[19:58] <itsy> so it is possible to use this frequency
[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Yes as an amateur, not quite sure of the regulations in DL but I think your OK for airborne work.
[19:59] <itsy> This will be our fist test with aprs on a ballon. We decidet for aprs because we think of a better network but we did not know if this is right.
[20:00] <itsy> our Radio Amateur will know this!
[20:00] <itsy> we think on aprs there are more stations to receive
[20:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Are you planning a floater or up,burst,down?
[20:01] <itsy> up, burst, down .. round about 4 h
[20:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> You might be surprised about numbers.
[20:02] <itsy> which numbers do you mean? Stations fpr 434MHz
[20:03] <Uta> hi @ all. I´m too a member of the group of itsy
[20:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> It can vary but with plenty of notice then coverage on 434 using rtty can be impressive also no contention with all the others on APRS.
[20:04] <mikestir> 434 probably also has the edge for recovery of an up/down flight, because it's a continuous transmission
[20:04] <mikestir> so you are more likely to pick it up as you drive around even if you previously lost contact
[20:04] <mikestir> aprs definitely has better coverage on a global scale though, so ideal for floaters
[20:05] <itsy> so for up and down you would recoment 434?
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> yes, or maybe alternate
[20:06] <itsy> ok - thanks :-)
[20:06] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPL1 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=SPL1
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> If you can give more than 24 hrs notice then possibly 50-100 stations might be listening.
[20:07] <Uta> Geoff do you have a suggestion for an antenna for aprs? We tought we use a groundplane.
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Yup gtound lanes inverted are fine
[20:08] <itsy> We have a plan for construction of a 434 tracker with radiometrix and rfm22b. the rfm22b ist very cheap but I do not know if it is good enogh for the flight
[20:08] <Upu> use the Radiometrix
[20:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Indeed
[20:09] <itsy> yes, we have a groundplane build and at the moment we are testing it whith receiving
[20:09] <Upu> Radiometrix NTX2B is very stable and simple
[20:09] <Upu> have you seen the guide on the wiki ?
[20:09] <itsy> If you compare it whith te cost - the Radimetrix is much better? For us 35¬ for Radiometrix or 3¬ fpr rfm22b
[20:10] <Upu> where are you getting the Radiometrix from ?
[20:10] <Upu> oh yes NTX2B is more expensive
[20:10] <Upu> the RFM22B has been use quite a but
[20:10] <Upu> it does work and its cheap
[20:10] <Upu> but its very drifty
[20:10] <Upu> and not always reliable
[20:11] <itsy> the radiometrix is from a shop in uk
[20:11] <Uta> We bought it from http://ava.upuaut.net/store/
[20:11] <Upu> Good choice highly recommended :)
[20:11] <Upu> (its my shop)
[20:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> :)
[20:12] <Upu> did you speak to me before you ordered ?
[20:12] <Uta> :)
[20:12] <Upu> because if you want to buy another speak to me :)
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[20:12] <Uta> No this time not. A month or so ago, I wrote to emails and I asked some questions.
[20:12] <Upu> If you are making your first tracker I suggest keep it simple, proven and reliable
[20:12] <itsy> no we did not ;-)
[20:13] <Upu> ah ok
[20:13] <Upu> next time :)
[20:13] <Uta> Ok, Thanks!
[20:13] <Upu> NTX2 and now the NTX2B which you ahve meet those criteria
[20:14] <itsy> thanks :-) We will build up an Tracker with Radiometrix 144.800 and Arduino -
[20:14] <Upu> oh you're going APRS ?
[20:14] <Uta> Yes
[20:14] <itsy> this was the plan before we loggin into this chat ;-)
[20:14] <Upu> Germany ?
[20:15] <itsy> jep
[20:15] <Upu> yeah I'll +1 using 70cms
[20:15] <Uta> Because we lost our last flight. This flight was without any radio. Only two GPS Tracker.
[20:15] <Upu> northern europe has a good coverage
[20:15] <Upu> yeah I've lost track of how often those things fail
[20:15] <itsy> for aprs?
[20:16] <Upu> no 434Mhz RTTY using the UKHAS network
[20:16] <Upu> Northern or Southern Germany ?
[20:16] <Uta> south
[20:16] <Uta> bavaria
[20:17] <Upu> We still have listeners who can recieve from Czech republic
[20:17] <Upu> and I know mclane has launched from Regensburg area
[20:17] <Upu> somewhere around there
[20:17] <Upu> use both
[20:17] <Upu> make one doing APRS
[20:17] <Upu> another doing RTTY
[20:17] <itsy> do you mean we should use both?
[20:17] <Upu> why not :)
[20:18] <edmoore> even some morse on hf
[20:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Take a look here http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ for flights in the past and see how many stations were receiving
[20:18] <edmoore> to get the beardly old hams engaged
[20:18] <Upu> UKHAS format is generally better as its dedicated for balloons, you get live predictions of where the balloon is going
[20:18] <Upu> and a great community behind you
[20:18] <Uta> I know a group from regensburg, but they use only 434
[20:18] <Upu> APRS gets you a bunch of grumpy old men who don't like you using their network for something it was designed for
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[20:19] <Upu> Sven is from Germany too
[20:19] <Upu> Evening Sven
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[20:19] <itsy> In my little world we can use our Arduino with gps und the 144.800 and only have to copy the send-Parameter with the 434 Radiometrix enabled ... ?!
[20:19] <Upu> you can use both at the same time
[20:19] <Upu> 2 Arduinos, 2 customer AVR based transmitters etc
[20:19] <DL7AD> hm?
[20:20] <Upu> itsy and Uta are from Bavaria and considering APRS or RTTY
[20:20] <DL7AD> dinner! :D
[20:20] <Upu> lol
[20:20] <edmoore> dinner is a very good telemetry mode
[20:21] <edmoore> although input food comes out weirdly modulated
[20:21] <itsy> the 434 on habhub use an other protocol as aprs?
[20:21] <mikestir> yes, a much simpler one
[20:21] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[20:21] <Upu> have a read of that
[20:22] <edmoore> itsy, it's what we first came up with that worked basically well, and it stuck
[20:22] <edmoore> rtty at 50 baud on 434mhz
[20:22] <itsy> so we have to discuss this in our group - up till know we are planing to use APRS but now ...
[20:22] <edmoore> a simple comma-separated message of positions, time, snsor values, and a checksum
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[20:22] <edmoore> it constitutes the majority of flights by some way
[20:23] <edmoore> it's not that sophisticated but it's good and works well, and it made it very easy for other people to get involved
[20:23] <edmoore> we find other hams listen quite 'actively' as a flight is happening, rather than unmanned aprs stations
[20:23] <edmoore> which adds to the fun in this channel when everyone is tracking and trying to grab the really weak signals from very distant habs
[20:24] <edmoore> obviously you can go with what you want (or try several things!) but the ukhas standard format does being a sense of fun and community with it
[20:25] <itsy> That is why we are asking here?
[20:25] <itsy> :-)
[20:25] <itsy> sorry no "?"
[20:25] <Uta> Hm, know we have a lot of things zu speak and think about
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[20:26] <itsy> So if this protokol is so easy and comma-separated we can use our separate logger for this - we have a separate logger with GPS and SD on board so we only have to include the 434 Radiometrix
[20:26] <edmoore> yep
[20:26] <edmoore> and something to toggle an io pin to the radiometrix at 50 baud
[20:27] <itsy> we have to discuss in our group
[20:27] <Uta> yes, we will ;)
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[20:28] <edmoore> off topic. i have been told someone's name verbally and i don't know how to spell it
[20:28] <edmoore> her name is 'rejula' but that could be
[20:28] <edmoore> reddula
[20:28] <edmoore> rejula
[20:28] <edmoore> retchula
[20:28] <Uta> Thanks guys for your help!
[20:28] <edmoore> rijewela
[20:28] <itsy> I am sure I have seen a sketch for arduino for this on 434 with radiometrix. now we also use a redy to use sketch with some modifications
[20:28] <edmoore> anyone know an actually name that could sound like that?
[20:28] <edmoore> actual*
[20:29] <edmoore> itsy, yes on the ukhas wiki
[20:29] <itsy> great thanks a lot for your help !!
[20:31] <itsy> I say goodby and I#am sure we will meet again :-)
[20:31] <Upu> laters
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[20:32] <Uta> Thanks, Bye and good night !
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[20:33] <edmoore> happy campers
[20:36] <Upu> I do hope they make their own
[20:37] <mikestir> edmoore: have you tried google audio search?
[20:37] <edmoore> mikestir, nope?
[20:37] <edmoore> i have flu coming so i dont sound especially clear
[20:37] <edmoore> and a mumble anyway according to everyone ever
[20:38] <mikestir> ha. well I've been surprised recently how well that seems to work when the kids are mashing on the tablet and it picks up random voices in the room
[20:38] <mikestir> it used to be hilariously rubbish
[20:39] <edmoore> i have dictated to my ipad before
[20:39] <edmoore> that worked ok
[20:40] <edmoore> irc while soldering
[20:40] <Upu> oh we tried it on an iphone at the weekend it did better with someone speaking French to it than Yorkshire
[20:41] <edmoore> i am the same in that regard
[20:41] <edmoore> have you met @9600 yet?
[20:41] <edmoore> another good yorkshire nerd
[20:42] <Upu> nope
[20:42] <Upu> whom ?
[20:42] <edmoore> runs wuthering bytes
[20:42] <edmoore> likes electronics
[20:42] <edmoore> https://twitter.com/9600
[20:42] <Upu> never heard of him
[20:42] <edmoore> nickname is in honour of the default baudrate
[20:43] <mikestir> surely that's 115200
[20:43] <edmoore> he's a good egg
[20:43] <edmoore> mikestir, maybe in fancy schmany pc land
[20:44] <mikestir> is 9600 a unix default?
[20:44] <mikestir> I was thinking more embedded systems than PCs
[20:44] <edmoore> yeah
[20:44] <edmoore> same
[20:44] <edmoore> (embedded)
[20:45] <edmoore> my experience of embedded is mostly 9600 for serial things
[20:45] <mikestir> really?
[20:45] <edmoore> yep
[20:45] <edmoore> e.g. gps receivers
[20:46] <mikestir> the vast majority of device I've ever dealt with have been 115200, except for all the stuff developed at one of my old employers, which used 38400 just to keep people on their toes
[20:46] <mikestir> and nmea was originally 4800
[20:46] <adamgreig> 38400 is also a pretty common standard but yea 9600 seems very prevalent these days
[20:46] <adamgreig> i've encountered probably more 9600 than 115200?
[20:46] <edmoore> TNCs are 9600 i think
[20:46] <edmoore> at least the couple i've used
[20:48] <mikestir> for AVR projects I've actually started using 500000 because it works reliably from the internal 8 MHz RC, while 115200 does not
[20:48] <edmoore> indeed
[20:48] <edmoore> lunar lander discovered this
[20:49] <edmoore> he changed from an 8mhz xtal to a 'correct' one for standard baud rates
[20:49] <edmoore> 7.8somethingorother
[20:49] <edmoore> and then wondered why all his timing went off
[20:49] <mikestir> 7.3728
[20:49] <edmoore> because he didn't change any of the code
[20:50] <edmoore> he'll turn up now because that's how fate works
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[20:53] <mfa298> reading back a bit 9600 seems to be quite popular with networking and other enterprisey computer hardware with odd things at 115200
[20:54] <edmoore> i think my soekris box was 115200
[20:54] <edmoore> i think i changed it
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[20:57] <edmoore> yo jcoxabizzle
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[20:58] <jcoxon> hey edmoore
[21:00] <Upu> Evening jcoxon
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