highaltitude.log.20141220

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[00:16] <G0WXI_> Hi all, sorry about posting on here, but I did try #habhub first, is there anyone around who could approve a flight for me please, G-08 doc i.d. 1bcd4ef3e5f5c6bd62c79fe3ce3b928d thanks
[00:25] <daveake> Probably not the best time of day to ask! There'll be people around in the morning who can do it for you
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[03:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH32-3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH32-3
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[04:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH32-4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH32-4
[05:22] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[05:22] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[05:25] <arko> ah new AETH flights
[05:28] <lz1dev> 32th batch :P
[05:28] <arko> yeah
[05:32] <lz1dev> im more impressed by SP9TOM
[05:32] <lz1dev> drove over 1250km
[05:46] <arko> wow
[06:46] <mazzanet> well that was random
[06:46] <mazzanet> i just got a qsl card in the mail
[06:46] <mazzanet> from siberia
[06:47] <mazzanet> in 2008
[06:49] <lz1dev> it was send in 2008?
[06:49] <mazzanet> yep
[06:55] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TDK_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TDK_chase
[07:06] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[07:06] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[07:08] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[08:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> morrn!
[08:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> !flights
[08:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Reb-SM0ULC: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[08:06] <Reb-SM0ULC> mmm
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[08:57] <Reb-SM0ULC> the Torsby launch is running a bit late. must be a first in HABing
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[09:23] <daveake> If that launch goes ahead today it won't be late; it'll be about 2 months early
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[09:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> hum?
[09:30] <daveake> Unprepared
[09:30] <Reb-SM0ULC> mmm
[09:31] <Reb-SM0ULC> hope they don't underfill and ending up in the sea
[09:32] <daveake> Not a single packet uploaded yet, so zero tracking experience. There are however 2 GSM "backup" trackers so the only hope is one of those working
[09:32] <daveake> Also the prediction was (unsurprisingly, for Sweden) a heavily wooded area
[09:33] <daveake> Anyway I gave my considered opinion and I hope that, despite my expectations, it's a success
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[09:34] <mfa298> at least if it lands in a tree there's a better chance of a gsm signal than if it's in a ditch.
[09:34] <daveake> Yes!
[09:34] <daveake> I did mention that :)
[09:35] <mfa298> but that may be of little confort, (we know where it is but cant get it vs. we don't know where it is but could probably recover easily if we did know)
[09:35] <daveake> yeah tricky one
[09:35] <daveake> It might miss the tress, and fine one of the lakes that occupy most of the space between the trees :/
[09:35] <daveake> excuse multiple typos
[09:36] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: not sure they have decoded a single packet themselves yt
[09:37] <daveake> 2 days ago dl-fldigi had yet to be started
[09:37] <Reb-SM0ULC> i will be passing the landing zone
[09:37] <daveake> That would be a recipe for total loss in the UK, let alone Sweden
[09:41] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: i have about 60 mails in my log with tehm
[09:41] <daveake> wow, more than I do
[09:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: my dada read in the local paper about them and i contacted them via the reporter
[09:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> s/dada/dad
[09:42] <daveake> haha
[09:42] <daveake> cool
[09:43] <Reb-SM0ULC> sent them a bunch of links etc. them i guess they contacted you :)
[09:43] <daveake> Bought a board from Upu
[09:43] <daveake> Who forwarded the questions to me
[09:44] <lz1dev> You coldcall people to see if they wanna buy some hab supplies? :)
[09:44] <qyx_> how is their balloon called?
[09:44] <qyx_> are they on the map?
[09:44] <daveake> It's called HELIOS
[09:45] <qyx_> uh, much happening in the US
[09:49] <daveake> anyway, afk to follow mrs dave in the shops
[09:49] <daveake> I'll check the map later :/
[09:57] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-08 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=G-08
[09:58] <bertrik> hm, that link is broken, at least for me
[09:59] <qyx_> here the same
[10:00] <lz1dev> should work now
[10:00] <qyx_> yep
[10:02] <lz1dev> taking the tracker for a drive i guess :D
[10:04] <Reb-SM0ULC> walk your dag, tracker, what's the difference... :)
[10:05] <qyx_> wait, mrs dave is the one from the stratodean videos? i get it now
[10:05] <lz1dev> how is crossing the river
[10:08] <lz1dev> is that thing flying on plane or something
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[10:11] <lz1dev> just low free lift i guess
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[10:18] <g0hww> !dial G-08
[10:18] <SpacenearUS> 03g0hww: Latest dials for 03G-08 10(928d): 03434.5097 MHz, 434.50996 MHz
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[11:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SPL1 after 0318 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=SPL1
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[11:38] <Maxell> NO GPS SIG - Sats in View = 5 - Batt Volts = 1.438V - Loop Volts = 0.990V - Xtal trim = 73
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[11:42] <Reb-SM0ULC> tseting?
[11:44] <PD5TON> QRG G08 ?
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> !dial g-08
[11:46] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Latest dials for 03G-08 10(928d): 03434.51 MHz, 434.508906 MHz, 434.5099 MHz, 434.51289 MHz, 434.272944 MHz, 434.5097 MHz, 434.508884 MHz, 434.50996 MHz, 434.508934 MHz, 434.508875 MHz, 434.51052 MHz, 434.64117 MHz
[11:47] <PD5TON> Tnx !
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[12:12] <Reb-SM0ULC> mm, incredible, $$HELIOS 1,2003,12:12:26,60.01644,14.18031l23w0p
[12:13] <Reb-SM0ULC> i got garbled stuff, but have stock antenna on top of car
[12:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> $$HELIOS 1,2069,12:15:14,60.02843,14.28753,25201,0,0,6,34.8,6.7*B4F6
[12:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> green one
[12:15] <bertrik> !dial G-08
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Latest dials for 03G-08 10(928d): 03434.51 MHz, 434.509013 MHz, 434.51289 MHz, 434.510344 MHz, 434.5099 MHz, 434.50996 MHz, 434.5097 MHz
[12:15] <bertrik> !payload G-08
[12:15] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Payload 03G-08 10(928d) 03$$G-08 - 03Primary - 03434.51 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/470Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[12:17] <x-f> good job, Reb-SM0ULC!
[12:18] <x-f> looks like habitat can't parse it, because of the space in the callsign..
[12:19] <Reb-SM0ULC> darn
[12:20] <Maxell> NO GPS SIG - Sats in View = 5 - Batt Volts = 1.432V - Loop Volts = 1.012V - Xtal trim = 73
[12:20] <Reb-SM0ULC> shitty stock, antenna, was listening for asdb and thought i shloud try, and found it, som +20 dB
[12:20] <Maxell> Reb-SM0ULC: are they flying?
[12:20] <Reb-SM0ULC> yes
[12:20] <Maxell> with that space in their name?
[12:20] <Maxell> they are crazy.
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[12:20] <lz1dev> topkek
[12:21] <Reb-SM0ULC> Maxell: they probably didn't know
[12:21] <qyx_> did then even try?
[12:21] <qyx_> it
[12:21] <Maxell> PE2G: 434,510 for G-08
[12:21] <lz1dev> you know the answer qyx_ :)
[12:21] <qyx_> i just hoped for a different one
[12:21] <PE2G> Thanks Maxell, I got it already
[12:22] <Reb-SM0ULC> darn, 300 baud is just to fast to cut and paste
[12:22] <Maxell> lz1dev: all these "newfags" that fly their balloon without any tracking-testing :P
[12:22] <mfa298> also I don't think a flight doc has been approved yet as the payload was untested until now
[12:22] <Maxell> mfa298: and thats how it should be.
[12:22] <Maxell> If you don't even uploaded green packets then something is wrong with your workflow
[12:23] <mfa298> Maxell: agreed, they were told they'de need to test the payload before it would be approved
[12:25] <Maxell> If you start allowing these kind of payloads you are making your own life as "admin" so much harder. You will blame yourself and start writng quick patches...
[12:25] <Reb-SM0ULC> mmm
[12:25] <lz1dev> i don't think any admin is bothered
[12:25] <mfa298> looks like the flight doc references a payload with callsign HELIOS so doesn't work anyway
[12:27] <bertrik> so, it might just work if they submit a "HELIOS 1" flight doc right away?
[12:28] <bertrik> oh, nevermind
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[12:30] <x-f> it would work, with a payload doc
[12:31] <Maxell> Not as dl-fldigi callsign though! :P
[12:31] <mfa298> might be worth trying a quick payload doc and see if it starts to appear
[12:32] <lz1dev> it won't
[12:32] <lz1dev> since whitespace is not a valid character for callsigns
[12:34] <x-f> Invalid callsign: contains characters besides A-Z0-9_/. The server would reject it
[12:34] <x-f> :(
[12:35] <x-f> 33.6 km, gonna burst soon
[12:37] <x-f> 26.2 km, already
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[12:41] <x-f> 18.7 km
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[12:49] <Reb-SM0ULC> about 120 km away, +20dB on stock antenna, but blurry signal
[12:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> $$HELIOS 1,2739,12:44:11,60.14893,15.66439,15778,0,0,7,32.5,6.7*6077
[12:50] <bertrik> What kind of transmitter do they have on board?
[12:50] <Reb-SM0ULC> pi in the sky i think
[12:54] <pc1pcl> !dial G-08
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03G-08 10(928d): 03434.51289 MHz, 434.5099 MHz
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[12:59] <paul_HAB-P> Fedora, please stop having monitor issues.
[13:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HELIOS - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=HELIOS
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[13:03] <qyx_> Fixed.
[13:04] <qyx_> the trees are quite sparse
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[13:05] <Reb-SM0ULC> end of batt. l8r
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[13:56] <pc1pcl> dipping under the horizon..
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[14:20] <Maxell> pc1pcl: is it gone?
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[14:21] <pc1pcl> have turned it off after it dipped behind horizon
[14:21] <pc1pcl> listening to iss now. Also high altitude ;)
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[14:30] <happysat> this 8 minute interval sucks ARISS mentioned 3 minutes
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[14:32] <pc1pcl> yeah, caught the last bit of one picture, then thought oh great 3 min and a new one, but took so long I only got about 2/3d of the next picture
[14:33] <happysat> 2 days ago it was also 8 min. :( nobody did tell them probaly
[14:33] <happysat> maybe better luck on the next passes
[14:33] <pc1pcl> yup, at least I know it works on my side now
[14:34] <pc1pcl> day be for eyesterday only caught a little bit of the last picture for the day.
[14:36] <happysat> 3 i got from the last session:
[14:36] <happysat> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/124465398/ISS/2014-12-18_17.14.31.jpg
[14:36] <happysat> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/124465398/ISS/2014-12-18_18.47.09.jpg
[14:36] <happysat> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/124465398/ISS/2014-12-18_20.11.09.jpg
[14:36] <happysat> its a serie of 12 in total
[14:36] <happysat> but impossible to grab them all with 3/4 passes and those long intervals
[14:38] <happysat> last time in september the gap was 3 minutes
[14:38] Nick change: Steffann -> Steffanx
[14:40] <pc1pcl> still it's nice they're doing it at all.
[14:41] <happysat> yea Gagarin propagenda ;)
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[15:04] <F6AIU> HB-G-08 what ferquency ?
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial G-08
[15:05] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03G-08 10(928d): 03434.275 MHz, 434.51289 MHz
[15:06] <F6AIU> Tks
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 434.51MHz
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[15:42] <F6AIU> G-08 RTTY , , , précisions
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[15:54] <pc1pcl> hmm ISS in range again and again just the text portion of the picture...
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[16:05] <happysat> they suck :p
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[16:10] <pc1pcl> next pass 17.29 (18.29 local time)..
[16:11] <happysat> yea they can send a nice sstv to the fish in the atlantic ocean again rofl
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[16:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9AUK-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KD9AUK-11
[16:46] <edmoore> join #hamaltitude
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[16:46] <edmoore> er
[16:46] <edmoore> highaltitude
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[16:46] <edmoore> fat fingers
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[16:47] <mfa298> hamaltitude, is that another way of saying pigs might fly?
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[16:48] <18VABPLFN> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1418904197/SantaMechSm.jpg delivery blimp
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[16:48] <18VABPLFN> ...
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[16:48] Possible future nick collision: SpeedEvil
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[16:49] <edmoore> i used to go to #hamradio
[16:49] <18VABPLFN> Stupid services
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[16:49] <edmoore> there was some good nerdery there
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[16:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KG7NMO-11 - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KG7NMO-11
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[19:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03WB8ELK-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=WB8ELK-1
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[19:15] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KJ4TDM-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=KJ4TDM-1
[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03N4XWC-1 after 037 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/t/?focus=N4XWC-1
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[19:38] <SA6BSS> $$$$G-08,3421,19:38:25,46.333048,13.816050.4837,7,1.
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[19:46] <Mack> Did the B-64 tracking page get moved? I can't seem to find it anymore
[19:48] Nick change: day- -> day
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/ ?
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> It got pulled from the tracker I guess as it's been ~20 days since last position
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> And the chances of it coming back are small. It loads the tracker UI considerably
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[19:59] <Mack> Ok thanks. I'd been following it at http://spacenear.us/tracker/flyb.php
[19:59] <Mack> But that seems to just redirect to habhub.org now
[20:03] <Maxell> Mack: yes, thats the old (legacy) map
[20:03] <Maxell> It's slow and not able to handle the amount of usage we see nowdays.
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[20:05] <Maxell> Mack: you can do the same with the new map now: http://tracker.habhub.org/?filter=B-*
[20:06] <Maxell> That only shows B-* flights.
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[20:06] <Maxell> Upper left in the map there is "Last: 1 day", set that to "Last: All"
[20:06] Nick change: day- -> day
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[20:16] <SA6BSS> prediction on G-08 http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=0c20ce4e50bec7e4b31b00dfe3abe1b2f79ac265
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[20:26] <Mack> Maxell: Awesome, thanks!
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cruisin.me/cruisecams/ships/carnival_cruise_lines/carnival_fascination.php
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[20:49] <Ojo> hello
[20:49] <edmoore> good evening Ojo
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[20:49] <edmoore> evening/afternoon/whatever it is in your timezone
[20:49] <Ojo> hi edmoore
[20:49] <Ojo> afternoon here in Atlanta, GA
[20:51] <edmoore> nice. presumably warmer and brighter there than here in the uk
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[21:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> evevning
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[21:14] <Reb-SM0ULC> nice. presumably warmer and brighter there than here in the Bönan. -2 C and dark since 14:30ish
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[21:22] <Kodar> $$$$G-08,4047,21:22:12,45.600312,16.015574,4885,7,1.203,1.670,73,1*35B9
[21:22] <Kodar> NO GPS SIG - Sats in View = 0 - Batt Volts = 1.193V - Loop Volts = 1.670V - Xtal trim = 73
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[21:32] <Scott85> evening
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[21:33] <Scott85> any idea if putting 7v into an arduino will break it?
[21:33] <Scott85> I wanted to power it with 4 Lithium AA batteries but my tester is showing their output voltage at 7
[21:34] <edmoore> depends where into it
[21:35] <edmoore> if into the dc jack, that's fine
[21:35] <edmoore> as it has a regulator after it
[21:35] <edmoore> but don't stick 7V into any IO pins or anything
[21:36] <Scott85> ok thanks, it will just be the DC jack
[21:38] <Scott85> actually, don't have dc plug, is it the same case if I power it through the ground and vin pins?
[21:38] <edmoore> which arduino model is it?
[21:38] <edmoore> i'm gonna say 'probably' but i'm not v familiar with arduinos so want to check the schematic
[21:38] <Scott85> uno r3
[21:39] <Scott85> this seems to indicate that it should work
[21:39] <Scott85> http://www.instructables.com/id/Powering-Arduino-with-a-Battery/
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Scott85: doesitadressyour specific module?
[21:40] <edmoore> Scott85, yep, should be fine
[21:40] <edmoore> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/Arduino_Uno_Rev3-schematic.pdf
[21:40] <Scott85> it doesn't say r3
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[21:40] <edmoore> for interest's sake, top-right corner
[21:40] <edmoore> you can see the VIN line going to an ncp1117(blah extra numbers)
[21:40] <edmoore> the 1117 is a very standard linear regulator
[21:41] <edmoore> which you can see is what produces the system 5V from Vin
[21:41] <Scott85> ah right, makes sense, thanks
[21:42] <Scott85> nearly ready to launch now, got everything I need apart from helium :)
[21:42] <edmoore> here is the datasheet for a 1117 http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm1117-n.pdf
[21:42] <edmoore> you can see in the top-right paragraph of text it specifies a 'dropout' of 1.2V
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[21:42] <edmoore> that means than Vin must be at least 1.2V above the stated output voltage for it to regulate properly
[21:42] <edmoore> so basically you need >6.2V
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[21:43] <Scott85> hmmm, that's a bit of a problem, I'll have to attach more AA batteries then
[21:43] <edmoore> that's an LM1117 rather than NCP1117, basically every chip manufacturer makes 1117s and they're all pretty much the same inside
[21:44] <edmoore> yes, you'll want to ensure you stay above 6.2V at all times
[21:45] <Scott85> what batteries do people generally use? could do 6*1.5 but that will be quite heavy
[21:45] <edmoore> in general we do any of the following:
[21:45] <Scott85> 2*9v batteries in parallel would probably be lighter
[21:45] <edmoore> switch to a 3.3V arduino
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[21:46] <Ian_> ABSOLUTE MAX VOLTAGE for Atmega328p Vcc pin is supposedly 5.25V - how lucky do you really feel?
[21:46] <edmoore> replace the linear regulator with a switch-mode one (more efficient)
[21:46] <edmoore> or both
[21:46] <edmoore> if pushing the boat out, people makes 1.8V circuits too
[21:48] <edmoore> you could also replace that onboard regulator with a lower dropout one
[21:48] <edmoore> you can probably get something with a dropout of say 300mV
[21:48] <edmoore> don't quite me on that
[21:48] <edmoore> but that's typical for a low dropout reg
[21:49] <daveake> The one on the mini pro is < 300mV
[21:50] <daveake> at up to 200mA iirc
[21:52] <Scott85> perhaps it's gonna be best to buy one of those instead, that way I only need my current battery pack
[21:53] <edmoore> if you can doa fairly straight swap for a 3.3v arduino pro, that's probably the best effort/reward thing
[21:53] <Ian_> Scott85, looking at the connection in the instructable cited at 21:39 looks definitely dodgy as it seems to be a 9V battery and the connection point is after the regulator . . . BOOM!
[21:54] <edmoore> but do bear in mind that with a linear regulator, all extra voltage (over the output) is just dumped overboard as heat
[21:54] <edmoore> so there's nothing to be gained from going to a higher voltage pack
[21:54] <edmoore> if you have the option, better to arrange a given number of batteries in parallel such that you get a lower voltage but higher capacity
[21:54] <Scott85> but it would last longer?
[21:54] <edmoore> rather than higher-v lower capacity
[21:55] <Scott85> ah right
[21:55] <edmoore> with a switch-mode regulator however, it uses all the power (well, at say 90% efficiency) so it'll make good use of whatever you give it
[21:55] <edmoore> rather than just throwing away excess voltage as heat
[21:56] <edmoore> for a first flight, proceed as you are, i would, provided you can get a good few hours life from your pack
[21:56] <edmoore> but you might want to consider a switch-mode for subsequent flights as you improve things
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[21:58] <Scott85> ok, will do a test with 4 batteries first and see how it goes
[21:58] <Scott85> then try 6 if it doesn't last long enough
[21:58] <edmoore> sure
[21:59] <edmoore> assuming you're doing a typical up-down flight, which might last say 3hrs, i'd want your batteries to last 6-8hrs
[21:59] <edmoore> at least
[21:59] <Ian_> Has anyone used this product please? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=201227393572&view=all&tid=1147076128010 What I would like to know is what size is the syringe as I will have to purchase one to get the plunger.
[21:59] <edmoore> as inevitably there'll be an hour or so of nosepicking at launch with the payload on but not yet released
[21:59] <edmoore> and you'll want a few hours of it transmitting after its landed for you to have a chance to find it - some chases can be quite challenging
[22:00] <Babs> hmmmmm http://www.darrinward.com/lat-long/?id=392592
[22:00] <Babs> seems like my code doesn't like going from -0.999 to -1.001
[22:00] <Babs> evening edmoore
[22:00] <Scott85> yeah, true, I've got a backup tracker too - tested this and it works really well and battery lasts for 4 days - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Mini-Real-Time-Magnetic-GPS-Car-Vehicle-Tracker-Personal-Tracking-Device-UK-/131172334340?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item1e8a7afb04
[22:00] <mattbrejza> what are you trying to do Babs ?
[22:01] <edmoore> evening Babs
[22:01] <Babs> hey mattbrejza - was just trying out my tracker on a journey up north
[22:01] <mattbrejza> oh right
[22:01] <mattbrejza> i would normally just string copy from nmea to rtty to save errors like this
[22:01] <Babs> which seemed to work out ok until i plotted the points, and there was a discontinuity
[22:02] <Babs> not outputting NMEA, requesting the various data from the ublox directly
[22:02] <mattbrejza> ah right, in which case i just print the int so you send longitude/1e7
[22:02] <mattbrejza> doesnt look as nice though
[22:03] <Babs> it comes across in four bytes and requires reconstructing
[22:03] <Scott85> Ian_, that link doesn't work, says it's already gone
[22:03] <Babs> http://pastie.org/9792035
[22:05] <mattbrejza> this is how i do that for reference https://github.com/suspaceflight/lora-tracker/blob/master/firmware-tracker/main.c#L234
[22:05] <Babs> tracker itself looks pretty though https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/15446614703/
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[22:06] <Babs> mattbrejza. you just bitshift it then
[22:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Surely that is plotting Lat and Long decimal not NMEA coding that is not the same ?
[22:07] <Babs> fsphil showed me a similar method. frustrated because i don't know why the maths version shouldn't work
[22:07] <mattbrejza> also you have ar[0] + 256*ar[1] + 256*ar[2], shouldnt it be ar[0] + 256*ar[1] + 256*256*ar[2]?
[22:08] <Babs> they are all nested though, so it should work
[22:08] <Babs> base_longitude_output = long(pollreturn[5])+256*(long(pollreturn[6])+256*(long(pollreturn[7])+256*long(pollreturn[8])))
[22:09] <mattbrejza> oh sorry yea
[22:09] <mattbrejza> not sure what 'long()' is doing :/
[22:10] <mattbrejza> silly arduino
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[22:10] <mattbrejza> anyway, if you say its an issue going between 0.9 and 1.001 then it wont be that line
[22:12] <Babs> thats my long insertion.
[22:12] <Babs> it is probably more silly babs than silly arduino
[22:16] <mattbrejza> yra thats an odd one, its working fine for latitude but not longitude
[22:16] <mattbrejza> and the latitude/longitude code is the same
[22:17] <Babs> i think its probably something to do with casting the variable each time
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[22:17] <Babs> i will do the bitshift thing and retest. happily the error comes where i am positioned now so its a pretty instant test as to whether it has worked or not
[22:18] <mattbrejza> i dont tihnk the bitshift thing will be it, as it occurs on a boundary of 10, which would suggest the issue is with the /1000000 stuff
[22:21] <Babs> its a curious one. i know people have had issues going across the meridian before, but this is different
[22:23] <mfa298> could there be some issues with floating point precision in there (although it should manage 1.0000 in the middle of that)
[22:25] <mattbrejza> this would be instantly easy to debug on a non arduino device, ste breakpoint and step :(
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[22:30] <Ian_> Ah Scott85, sorry hopefully this one will work OK. The product is ADVANCED SOLDER SOLDERING FLUX GREASE PASTE GEL FOR BGA http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amtech-Advanced-Solder-Soldering-Paste-Flux-Grease-RMA223-10cc-/261557804771
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[22:32] <Ian_> It comes in a syrnge, but of course no plunger, so I need to identify the correct size and arrange to get one. The correct needle size info would be good too if anyone has any experience with using the product.
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[22:34] <Miek> that seems way too cheap to be legit to me
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[22:38] <Ian_> I guess that tomorrow will be a good time to dig a little out and try it with solder to verify that it is what it says. It seems to be a regularly touted product.
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[22:39] <Miek> it is indeed, and i believe the reviews (i've got some slightly different amtech flux and i love it) but because it's popular there's plenty of cheap clones around
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[22:40] <Ian_> As long as the clones work. I really need something to give me a bit of traction to 0603 decoupling capacitors. The flux action being more of a bonus ;)
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[22:42] <Miek> fair enough :)
[22:42] <Ian_> I wonder if it might be a clone or aged stock. Suspicuously the lot number #273-11-1 on my product and '273-09-02 on the advert may indicate either . . .
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[22:43] <Ian_> Any idea of the correct syringe size to order to get a fitting plunger?
[22:47] <mattbrejza> youll ideally want a nozzle too
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[23:11] <Ian_> Yes, thanks for that mattbrejza, but do you have any information re syringe size and optimum needle size? Please!
[23:12] <Ian_> Any time I have enquired about syringes at a chemists they look at me like I was an alien and their next customer gets a carrier bag full of exchange needles - go figure!
[23:12] <mattbrejza> have a look on farnell
[23:12] <mattbrejza> its the same sort of thing used for solder paste
[23:13] <Ian_> Wilco, and thanks.
[23:20] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?catalogId=15001&langId=44&storeId=10151&categoryId=700000006579&sort=P_PRICE&st=nozzle&pageSize=25&showResults=true&sf=502,731
[23:20] <mattbrejza> pics would be useful mind you
[23:21] <mattbrejza> and thats what the tube fits into http://uk.farnell.com/loctite/207516/syringe-applicator/dp/3072459
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[23:49] <Ian_> Thanks for that mattbrejza, I think that I might have been looking for some time as I would have been looking for a needle rather than a nozzle and hadn't thought about the driver being more a gun than a straight plunger.
[23:51] <Ian_> So just the language would have been against me until I had naturally struck lucky. I have since noticed that beyond the bung there is a plunger head that would take a driver shaft.
[23:51] <Ian_> I guess when we don't learn something new every day then we must be dead already ;) a long way to go yet!
[23:57] <Ian_> The applicator gun may be good, but it certainly isn't cheap. I think that I might consider a bit of improvisation as Santa has slightly better things to do with £43 just at the moment.
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