highaltitude.log.20141219

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[00:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TEST77-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TEST77-1
[00:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KF5PGW
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[00:29] <esculca> hi guys
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[00:29] <esculca> Plannig my third launch for next week
[00:29] <esculca> here in Portugal
[00:29] <esculca> can someone in charge aprove my payload
[00:30] <esculca> it's name is BALLOONOLO-4
[00:30] <esculca> ?
[00:30] <lz1dev> esculca: head over to #habhub and presend the docid
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[00:32] <esculca> and what should I do with that docid?
[00:32] <lz1dev> present it there :)
[00:32] <esculca> :)
[00:32] <esculca> can't copy and paste...
[00:33] <esculca> a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae136cc
[00:33] <esculca> here it goes
[00:34] <lz1dev> !id a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae136cc
[00:34] <SpacenearUS> Payload config 03balloonolo-4 10(a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae136cc) - 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae136cc
[00:34] <SpacenearUS> Callsign(s): 03BALLOONOLO-4
[00:34] <SpacenearUS> Transmission #0: 03Primary - 03434.201 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/600Hz ASCII-7 none 1.5
[00:34] <lz1dev> have you made a flight doc ?
[00:34] <esculca> yes, that is the one
[00:34] <esculca> no
[00:34] <lz1dev> :)
[00:34] <esculca> not yet, just the genpaylod
[00:35] <esculca> what should I do for the flightdoc?
[00:36] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0RPI-11 after 036 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI-11
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[00:36] <lz1dev> you make one, and include the payload config, then give us that docid :)
[00:36] <esculca> I am doing that now
[00:37] <lz1dev> but before you do that, it's probably worth checking if it all works
[00:37] <esculca> I should have done that as well in my previous flights
[00:38] <esculca> done
[00:38] <esculca> docid = a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae14ac0
[00:38] <lz1dev> !id a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae14ac0
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Flight 03Balloonolo-4 10(a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae14ac0, not approved, 1 payload)
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Project 03Balloonolo by 03esculca
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Window: 0327/12/2014 UTC to 0327/12/2014 UTC 10(Europe/Lisbon, +0)
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Launch: 0327/12/2014 UTC from 03Vila Real, Portugal 10(41.30147,-7.78165)
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Raw: 12http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/a15861dd8021e15adb0beb2ffae14ac0
[00:38] <SpacenearUS> Payload parse status: 031 untested 10(18d2)
[00:39] <esculca> let's see how it goes this time
[00:39] <esculca> where it ends up
[00:39] <lz1dev> now all you need to do it have it tested, and i can approve it :)
[00:39] <esculca> most probably it will flow all the way to Spain
[00:39] <esculca> I will do the testing tomorrow
[00:39] <esculca> ok?
[00:39] <esculca> kinda of late now
[00:40] <esculca> gotta get into work tomorrow early in the morning
[00:40] <lz1dev> thats fine, just pop into #habhub
[00:40] <lz1dev> and mention the docid
[00:40] <esculca> you mean this chat?
[00:40] <lz1dev> if you type /join #habhub
[00:40] <lz1dev> you will join that channel, this one is #hightaltitude
[00:41] <esculca> ok
[00:41] <esculca> will do that tomorrow or during the weekend
[00:42] <esculca> the flight will be next week if the weather permits
[00:42] <esculca> thanks
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[00:42] <esculca> gotta leave now
[00:42] <esculca> bye
[00:42] <lz1dev> bye now
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[07:27] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH32-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH32-1
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[08:00] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[08:00] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[08:02] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH32-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH32-2
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[08:32] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0RPI-11 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI-11
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[09:00] <paul_HAB-P> This looks really handy: http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/fldigi/
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[10:10] <HF_ATL> good morning all
[10:11] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY_PLUS
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[10:35] <edmoore> morning HF_ATL
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[10:39] <fsphil> lots of ping timeouts this-morning
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[10:47] <HF_ATL> hello there edmoore
[10:48] <fsphil> what's up in the world of #ha today?
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[10:49] <jededu> DominoEX :)
[10:50] <jededu> Most of it works
[10:51] <fsphil> excellent
[10:51] <fsphil> most?
[10:51] <fsphil> you should try THOR next :)
[10:51] <jededu> Just have to work out indexing the dable
[10:52] <jededu> table
[10:52] <fsphil> ah. yes that's the easy bit
[10:53] <jededu> Ita a $
[10:53] <jededu> Is it lol
[10:53] <fsphil> compared to the modulation bit yea
[10:53] <fsphil> the table is just ascii
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[11:05] <jededu> Thats the bit I dont get I index the table and send the symbols matching symbols yes ?
[11:11] <HB9RSU> is spacenear.us dead?
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> ? The tracker has been updated ?
[11:13] <edmoore> yes
[11:16] <HB9RSU> it's redirecting to http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ but this site does not load :-(
[11:17] <jededu> Its ok here
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its OK here, try clearing the caches ?
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Options|Advanced|Network clear offline cache as well as the normal Cache
[11:19] <HB9RSU> done that, also cookies
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> So does nothing at all appear or just the loading page?
[11:23] <HB9RSU> it asks for the location and then the logo appears. but nothing happens. Thats Firefox, in IE 11 only theright side bar loads
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Humm, not had that what version of Windows ?
[11:24] <HB9RSU> if I ask for a specific flight like http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?focus=VK3YT then it loads the page
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[11:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Are you sure you cleared the OFFLINE CACHE ? as well as the normal cache.
[11:24] <HB9RSU> it's latest version of Firefox and IE on an win 7 box
[11:25] <lz1dev> both don't load?
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Same as running here then
[11:25] <qyx_> huh
[11:25] <qyx_> i have some issues also now
[11:25] <qyx_> the http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?focus=VK3YT doesn't load
[11:26] <qyx_> ok, actually sometimes it does, after fifth refresh
[11:26] <HB9RSU> jep, i deleted everything and started the browser new
[11:26] <mattbrejza> it loads but VK isnt on the map?
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[11:26] <qyx_> no, just the logon on blue page
[11:26] <qyx_> *logo
[11:26] <HB9RSU> We have a flight next Thuesday :-(
[11:27] <HB9RSU> right @qyx_ ... same here
[11:27] <qyx_> mmt, wiresharking
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[11:30] <jededu> Ahh tables sorted
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[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> If its not resolved you could try http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
[11:38] <qyx_> btw 187.10 and 187.11 is not responding to icmp echo request
[11:38] <qyx_> bad practice
[11:40] <paul_HAB-P> does it work in chrome?
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Does for me
[11:43] <qyx_> ok, http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?focus=VKKKK works
[11:43] <qyx_> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?focus=VK3YT doesnt
[11:44] <qyx_> no errors in browser console
[11:45] <qyx_> it apperas that the browser simply connects to the server and does nothing
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Strange the VKKKK doesn't work for me whilst the VK3YT does!
[11:46] <lz1dev> you need to refresh while having the console open, it won't show error prior to toggling it
[11:47] <qyx_> i refreshed
[11:49] <HB9RSU> fullscreen.php works but not the new site
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[11:50] <lz1dev> so it sits on the splash screen?
[11:51] <qyx_> sometimes, sometimes it doesnt even get there
[11:51] <HB9RSU> jep... when I do a SHIFT-Reload the it asks again for my location and THEN it works
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[11:57] <qyx_> probably a browser problem, the same link almost works in midori
[11:59] <paul_HAB-P> Is there a way to test if my decoded HAB packets will make it all the way to the map prior to launch?
[12:00] <pc1pcl> I think if you put dl-fldigi in online mode it will try to submit the received and decoded packets
[12:00] <pc1pcl> and you ought to be able to see them in the log
[12:00] <paul_HAB-P> log inside habhub?
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> or http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[12:01] <lz1dev> if you have payload config setup, and submit via dl-fldigi
[12:01] <lz1dev> it will appear on the map
[12:01] <paul_HAB-P> ok - is it ok to setup test payload documents on habhub?
[12:01] <lz1dev> it's required if you want your flight doc to be approved :)
[12:02] <HB9RSU> it apears in the log, but not on the map as long your flight is not approved... right?
[12:02] <lz1dev> it appears on the map, if there is payload doc
[12:02] <lz1dev> regardless of anytihng else, the flight doc makes it official
[12:02] <HB9RSU> ok, thnx
[12:02] <lz1dev> puts it in the calendar etc
[12:03] <lz1dev> shows in dl-fldigi as well
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The Flightdoc ensures its retained
[12:03] <paul_HAB-P> oh ok - so I can just raise a test flight doc without causing trouble?
[12:03] <lz1dev> yes
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[12:03] <paul_HAB-P> Super - thanks :)
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> No you only need a payload doc to test
[12:04] <lz1dev> ^
[12:04] <paul_HAB-P> oh right - ok, sorry didnt know there are 2 types of doc...
[12:04] <paul_HAB-P> need to re read the guidance
[12:04] <daveake> Payload doc gets your flight on the map
[12:04] <daveake> Flight doc tells us about it and makes it easier to set up dl-fldigi
[12:04] <edmoore> payload doc is your passport
[12:04] <edmoore> (i am me, this is what i look like)
[12:04] <lz1dev> oh god
[12:04] <edmoore> flight doc is your plane ticket
[12:04] <paul_HAB-P> got it lol
[12:05] <edmoore> i am flying at 9pm on saturday be ready for me
[12:05] <lz1dev> i still don't get it tho, any other analogies ? :P
[12:05] <edmoore> i'm thinking fast
[12:05] <edmoore> payload doc is the recipe
[12:05] <edmoore> flight doc is the dinner party
[12:05] <edmoore> payload doc is the car engine
[12:05] <qyx_> i am starting to have a clue
[12:05] <edmoore> flight doc is the 75,000 mile service
[12:05] <daveake> I'm starting to get hungry
[12:06] <edmoore> payload doc is the fishing rights
[12:06] <edmoore> flight doc is the fish and chips
[12:06] <daveake> More hungry
[12:06] <lz1dev> none of those work
[12:06] <lz1dev> can you ELI5
[12:08] <edmoore> i'm out
[12:14] <paul_HAB-P> ok - so payload doc is the physical box that will be flying and flight doc is the actual act of flying it...
[12:15] <lz1dev> payload doc described the tracker, flight doc is the event
[12:15] <paul_HAB-P> here's one. Payload doc is the present and the flight doc is Santa's sleigh...
[12:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> :)
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[12:19] <daveake> So you can fly more than one present on the same flight. gottit :)
[12:19] <paul_HAB-P> Nope, you have 1 present, it can fly multiple times.
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[12:19] <paul_HAB-P> The Payload doc defines frequency, parity etc...
[12:19] <lz1dev> so you give 1 present to multiple peopel?
[12:19] <lz1dev> isn't that like, piracy or something?
[12:19] <paul_HAB-P> e.g. the settings of the box
[12:20] <daveake> I think this flight explains all :-) http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/12/santa-sleigh-test.html
[12:21] <paul_HAB-P> lol
[12:22] <daveake> paul_HAB-P You can also have more than one payload (and hence payload doc on the same fligjt (flight doc)
[12:22] <daveake> happens a lot
[12:22] <paul_HAB-P> Oh ok so it's many to many
[12:23] <paul_HAB-P> Can I look back from a mapfix on habhub to it's frequency?
[12:27] <qyx_> daveake: lol
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I don't think so, there are multipile freq's reported from each listener station its not taken from the telemetry as such
[12:28] <paul_HAB-P> ah right ok...
[12:30] <daveake> It's not very useful. Mostly stations won't report the radio frequency anyway, and if they do they might not be calibrated. Bottom line, if you use a modern radio (MTX2/NTXB) it hardly drifts at all; if it's an NTX2 or (god forbid) rfm22b, it will
[12:31] <daveake> If you need to know to track during a flight, just ask here, and a ham will report his dial freq to the nearest 1Hz
[12:33] <paul_HAB-P> excellent...
[12:33] <paul_HAB-P> thanks.
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[12:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP9TOM_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP9TOM_chase
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[12:52] <gonzo__> they will report it to hz, even though the radio is not that accurate
[12:53] <daveake> yup
[12:54] <daveake> and the nearest 1kHz will do anyway when tuning in
[12:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SPL1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SPL1
[12:54] <HF_ATL> btw anyone know what is the bandwidth of the aprs afsk 1200 signal?
[12:55] <gonzo__> depends on the deviation
[12:58] <HF_ATL> as far as I know there are two audio baseband tones that are modulated in a carrier
[13:00] <daveake> It's 1200 and 220Hz turns using narrow FM modulation
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[13:49] <jededu> !flights
[13:49] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Current flights: 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
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[14:17] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03TEST77-1 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TEST77-1
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[14:38] <daveake> I knew that days were getting short, but ...
[14:49] <Maxell> !ping B-64
[14:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a month ago
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[15:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KF6RFX-3
[15:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF6RFX-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KF6RFX-2
[15:09] <HF_ATL> anybody used pawan balloons here?
[15:12] <chrisstubbs> I've used their 100g ones
[15:13] <HF_ATL> just wondering how they compare with hwoyee and totex
[15:18] <chrisstubbs> Some batches of hwoyee have bursted a little higher, but I dont think there is that much in it
[15:18] <chrisstubbs> s/bursted/burst come on brain, we can do better than this
[15:20] <HF_ATL> thanks for the info
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[15:24] <Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2014/12/19/amateur-builds-super-deep-super-cheap-ocean-vehicle/
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[15:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dodge_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Dodge_chase
[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0RPI-11 after 037 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI-11
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[16:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KF5PGW-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KF5PGW-1
[16:47] <Reb-SM0ULC> ello all
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[16:51] <jededu> In dominoex16 are the 0's sent ?
[16:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> a little n00b-question.. from when are you supposed to be able to see a new flightdoc in fl-digi?
[16:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> trying to verify "helios 1"
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[16:56] <fsphil> jededu: only if it's the first one of the three
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[17:00] <jededu> Thx fsphil so close :)
[17:01] <fsphil> Reb-SM0ULC: they only appear within the time period of the flight doc -- assuming there is one
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[17:05] <Reb-SM0ULC> fsphil: check
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[17:12] <jededu> When is the secondary alphabet used ?
[17:13] <fsphil> it prints text in the little bar at the bottom of fldigi
[17:13] <fsphil> you can ignore it
[17:14] <jededu> Ahh i see :)
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[19:30] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX after 033 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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[19:40] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03KF5PGW-9 after 034 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KF5PGW-9
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:45] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 037 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY_PLUS
[19:45] <Reb-SM0ULC> ello
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Hehe looks like daveake and Upu are going to try a parallel flight!
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[20:04] <Upu> really should switch call signs when testing :)
[20:05] <Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321612158637
[20:07] <Upu> Photos are super-sized for your convenience. Please click to zoom.
[20:08] <fsphil_> and yet the meter looks so sad
[20:08] <daveake> "What is in the photos is what you get."
[20:09] <daveake> buyer collects?
[20:10] <Ian_> Does not ship to UK; no visa!
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[20:48] <daveake> Now this is a landing video
[20:48] <daveake> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtWzuZ6WZ8E
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[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks dave for sharing :)
[21:07] <Reb-SM0ULC> cool
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[21:07] <daveake> evening Steve
[21:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> another friday flick
[21:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFwqZ4qAUkE
[21:10] <Reb-SM0ULC> i guess you've seen it though
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[21:16] <foretopsail> So I'm wondering if there's a preorder or list for the new pi in the sky.
[21:16] <Upu> hi there
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[21:17] <Upu> we are still waiting on a slot for manufacture
[21:17] <Upu> which country are you in ?
[21:17] <mcbcurator> whoops. Wrong nick for a minute.
[21:17] <mcbcurator> I'm in the US
[21:18] <Upu> I may have one ready to go
[21:18] <Upu> PM me with your e-mail address
[21:18] <Upu> I'll get back to you on Monday
[21:18] <Upu> I had to make some up for testing and examples for the assembly place
[21:19] <mcbcurator> Great! Also looking forward greatly to the APRS module, though I understand that that's down the road a bit.
[21:19] <Upu> well actually its ready
[21:19] <Upu> but untested
[21:20] <Upu> do you have an amateur license ?
[21:20] <mcbcurator> I do, yes.
[21:20] <Upu> ok
[21:20] <Upu> when are you flying ?
[21:21] <mcbcurator> march and april.
[21:21] <Upu> ok it should have been tested by then
[21:21] <Upu> so will be on sale
[21:22] <Upu> Someone is putting one up (in the States) in jan I think
[21:22] <Upu> but I'll see how many Pits I have
[21:22] <Upu> only 1 thing
[21:22] <Upu> I'll have to sell it as a prototype as it was done with leaded solder
[21:22] <Upu> production will be lead free
[21:22] <Upu> don't lick it :)
[21:22] <mcbcurator> Haha, I don't care. As long as the thing functions! :D
[21:23] <Upu> oh it functions :)
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[21:24] <Upu> you'll need a Raspberry Pi+
[21:24] <Upu> suggest the A+
[21:24] <mcbcurator> Just got the A+ in the mail from Adafruit today
[21:24] <Upu> super
[21:25] <Upu> see PM
[21:25] <Upu> The stack with APRS looks like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/Pits/Product/pits-stack1.jpg 83g
[21:26] <mcbcurator> that's awesome
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[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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