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[01:50] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 039W2NSU-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=9W2NSU-11
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[01:55] <SpeedEvil> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/12/17/2144249/navy-develops-a-shark-drone-for-surveillance
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[06:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03fhaizfiza_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=fhaizfiza_chase
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[09:04] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03LORA2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=LORA2
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[09:31] <jededu> Recieved upu
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[09:39] <HELIOS_> Hello!
[09:40] <HELIOS_> I´m a student from Sweden launching a balloon on saturday 09:30.
[09:40] <Maxell> Hey
[09:41] <Maxell> HELIOS_: have you got you flight document approved?
[09:43] <HELIOS_> But still I have a problem with my tracking system. I´m using a Pi In The Sky but i don´t know how to register the flight on the server(the map). I´m using DL-fldigi for HAB but it´s complicated to operate. Can somebody tell me how I can register my RPi on the server? I´ve red the instructions/guide on ukhas but it is har to understand for a novice like me.
[09:44] <edmoore> HELIOS_, also consider announcing the launch on the UKHAS mailing list
[09:44] <HELIOS_> Yes, i have the permittion to launch my balloon
[09:46] <edmoore> HELIOS_, start here: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[09:47] <edmoore> this is where you make the docs describing your payload
[09:47] <edmoore> also there is an irc channel called #habhub which is a good place to ask about server-specific stuff
[09:48] <edmoore> HELIOS_, have you got it working to the point that you can receive valid telemetry strings in your copy of dl-fldigi?
[09:50] <daveake> HELOIS_ When you go to that genpayload page, choose "start from existing" in the "payload configuration documents" paragprah, then type in "PISKY" in the search box. You'll see 4 entries come up - click on the last one. After that you need to change the details to match your payload - e.g. frequency, callsign (especially callsign)
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[09:54] <HELIOS_> Yes, the PITS works perfectly, I´ve checked the signal on the SDR-program. Not the DL-fldigi because it to complicated to use for me yet.
[09:54] <edmoore> well, have a read around it
[09:54] <edmoore> it's quite a simple program
[09:54] <edmoore> just requires diving in
[09:56] <HELIOS_> This habhub.org/genpayload. Should I firstly start my tracker and the search for it?
[09:56] <edmoore> no
[09:57] <edmoore> this is a document you actively generate to say 'this is what my payload looks like to the server'
[09:57] <HELIOS_> ok.
[09:57] <edmoore> the server then knows what to look for when you eventually do test/fly your payload
[09:57] <HB9RSU> I also needed some time to get pits running in fldigi. Now its runs fine. We will start a payload somewhen after xmas. So I am at the same point as HELIOS
[09:57] <edmoore> it's a bit like giving your contact details to the airline before then arriving at the airport to fly
[09:57] <edmoore> i thought you said you were flying on saturday?
[09:58] <edmoore> oh sorry HB9RSU
[09:58] <edmoore> i misread you as helios
[09:58] <HELIOS_> Yes. Our launch is on saturday
[09:58] <edmoore> helius flies on sat, HB9RSU are xmas
[09:58] <HB9RSU> :-)
[09:58] <edmoore> sorry for my confusion
[10:00] <Maxell> HELIOS_: how are you flying saturday if you have not yet figured out to track it?
[10:01] <edmoore> that was where my question was leading
[10:01] <edmoore> just incase it's unclear, you need dl-fldigi working to be able to track it
[10:01] <edmoore> you can't fly without it
[10:01] <edmoore> well you can, but you'll probably lose your payload (and deserve to!)
[10:02] <HELIOS_> Well, I work for 2. That means I am responcible for the whole project because my mate is busy with other things, probably
[10:02] <daveake> yup. You really really really need to get that working and be familar with it. IMO you don't have time
[10:02] <HB9RSU> I would count on others do the tracking for you @ HELIOS. You should dig into fldigi so you can track it by yourself
[10:02] <Maxell> The pi in the sky board does not have internet connection. It requires a ground team to receive the signal and upload that via dl-fldigi.
[10:03] <Maxell> daveake: yeah, I still learn new things about optimal tracking, 100 flights later :)
[10:03] <Maxell> s/later/after I first started tracking/
[10:03] <daveake> I'm happy tracking on my own, and have done so, but that was after 30 flights
[10:03] <Maxell> HELIOS_: if you are in change, cancel the flight.
[10:04] <Maxell> charge*
[10:04] <HB9RSU> gr... I meant "You should NOT count on others..."
[10:04] <daveake> To track on your own on your first flight is possible of course but requires planning
[10:04] <Maxell> Unless you can afford to lose the the balloon.
[10:04] <daveake> and if there was a plan, dl-fldigi would have been sorted weeks ago
[10:05] <daveake> HELIOS_ A lost flight is a really sad thing, and that's what's going to happen
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[10:05] <HB9RSU> as a backup we also fly a GPS tracker which can be triggered by GSM-SMS
[10:06] <daveake> Backups are good, but don't rely on one!
[10:06] <HELIOS_> Yes, I know. Well, I have to try. Rather a lost flight than none flight because the permition is x3 expenisive for 2015
[10:07] <HELIOS_> well, we will have 2 GSM-trackers on board on different SIM as a backup.
[10:07] <HB9RSU> we don't need a flight permission in Switzerland (as long as you fullfil some restrictions)
[10:08] <daveake> My experience (albeit on 2 flights) is that they work about half the time. That's a figure I've heard elsewhere too. So with 2 you have a 25% chance of loss, and right now that 25% isn't going to be reduced by your radio tracker
[10:08] <edmoore> gsm saved us a couple of times too
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[10:08] <edmoore> but that was before predictor and other things that help you stay close
[10:09] <daveake> I don't use them now, as a second radio tracker is a better backup
[10:10] <HB9RSU> we also have a SPOT tracker (it communicates with satelites and not via GSM). But I decided not to fly it at the next flight, because its just to expensive to fly it at the fist flight ever
[10:11] <edmoore> sensible
[10:11] <edmoore> daveake, what was the conclusion about rockblocks in the end?
[10:12] <daveake> That the early ones had a power-related lockup issue which was fixed
[10:12] <HELIOS_> So, I´ve edited the payload on the habhub.org/genpayload. Whats next?
[10:13] <daveake> HELIOS_ pm
[10:15] <HELIOS_> I´ve also postend on the mail list but cannot se my announcement..
[10:16] <daveake> You missed by comment above: " After that you need to change the details to match your payload - e.g. frequency, callsign (especially callsign)"
[10:16] <daveake> You haven't changed the callsign
[10:17] <daveake> The callsign distinguishes your flight from any others, including anyone testing. So you need to set that to something that's hopefully unique. Don't leave it at "PISKY" - if someone else uploads the same callsign your balloon will start bouncing around the map
[10:23] <HELIOS_> Yes. I changed it to HELIOS. Sorry, I am a bit nervous.
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[10:24] <daveake> Jakub, please see your PM window in your IRC client
[10:24] <HELIOS_> What should I do fith the DL-fldigi?
[10:24] <daveake> I emailed you about that
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[10:27] <daveake> btw with the current prediction, you've got a pretty good chance of it landing in a tree. You have a lot of those in Sweden! If it misses the trees it'll probably find a lake instead.
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[10:28] <qyx_> i would vote for the lake
[10:29] <markireland> Quick easy question - what is the highest altitude record for a HAB - with and without a video camera - or where can I find an up to date record list? Not attempting or anything, just for info for someone
[10:29] <HELIOS_> Ok. Sorry, i don´t remember. Where can I find the IRC client again?
[10:29] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
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[10:29] <daveake> HELOIS_ You're using an IRC client right now
[10:30] <markireland> Cool thanks daveake
[10:30] <daveake> markireland, Highest video I'm not sure ... possible the PIE/TED one
[10:31] <daveake> that took video at 39km but stills through the rest of the flight
[10:33] <markireland> OK yeah seems probable, cheers dave
[10:33] <HELIOS_> Ok! Do you mean the strip where the status ect is?
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[10:34] <daveake> I don't know what IRC client you're using so I don't know. But if you have a tab with "daveake" in it, that'll be me
[10:35] <fsphil> should probably add B-64 to the float list
[10:42] <diegoesep> what is the highest live image altitude so fat?
[10:42] <diegoesep> what is the highest live image altitude so far?
[10:42] <diegoesep> PIE/TED - 41109m (134872 ft) Highest Live Images ?
[10:42] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 134872 ft = 41 km
[10:42] <daveake> yes that one, afaik
[10:42] <diegoesep> is it the world record for live image daveake ?
[10:43] <diegoesep> or just in the uk?
[10:43] <daveake> well NASA landed on the moon ....
[10:43] <diegoesep> for high altitude balloon :)
[10:43] <daveake> :-). Highest I'm aware of
[10:43] <diegoesep> ok daveake :)
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[10:46] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[10:47] <pc1pcl-qrl> Hi
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[11:02] <Bob_Saget> Hey guys is B64 still airborne?
[11:03] <murb> who knows?
[11:03] <UpuWork> Airborne - Highly likely
[11:03] <Bob_Saget> ohh so lost radio contact?
[11:03] <UpuWork> Operational - Highly unlikely
[11:03] <fsphil> missing in action
[11:03] <Bob_Saget> thanks guys, been lost in asia for the past month and lost track
[11:03] <fsphil> it was still floating nicely when last heard, but the battery was critically low
[11:11] <edmoore> it might do a philae
[11:11] <edmoore> assuming philae does a philae
[11:12] <paul_HAB-P> ok - so I've got a funcube, gqrx and fldigi. I've got a magmount on the barbie outside. Could you point me at a frequency where I am going to be able to find some rtty? many thanks...
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[11:12] <edmoore> no
[11:14] <paul_HAB-P> in that case i'd better configure the habduino and get that transmitting...
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[11:26] <gonzo__> rtty that you find on the amateur bands is probably going to be a different format to what we use on HAB (AR uses mostly 5bit Baudot coding, we use 7/8bit ascii)
[11:29] <paul_HAB-P> What frequencies are good to find that (want to prove out the funcube so any signal would be great).
[11:29] <gonzo__> funcobe pro+?
[11:30] <edmoore> local repeater might be a good shout
[11:31] <gonzo__> the pro+ will do hf, so chucking a bit of wire up may be a good test
[11:31] <gonzo__> also may be able to try some HF AR baudot stations as a practice at settimng up the fldigi
[11:33] <gonzo__> if you can master decosing stuff in the noisy mess of HF bands, HAB reception should be a doddle
[11:33] <paul_HAB-P> ok so what frequencies should I be hunting around / what are good resources to find these frequencies (sorry there is a lot of info on the net and most of it is confusing right now)
[11:34] <edmoore> have a look at the rsgb band plan
[11:34] <edmoore> assuming you're UK
[11:34] <edmoore> where are you geographically?
[11:35] <paul_HAB-P> just by Beaconsfield
[11:35] <paul_HAB-P> UK
[11:35] <edmoore> you could find a local fm repeater and see if there's any activity on it
[11:35] <paul_HAB-P> ok - will look! :)
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[11:36] <edmoore> http://www.qsl.net/g3yrc/repeaters/repeater01.htm
[11:36] <edmoore> gb3al is in amersham
[11:36] <edmoore> tune to the output frequency
[11:37] <edmoore> fm
[11:37] <paul_HAB-P> awesome will give it a shot
[11:37] <edmoore> also i drove past beaconsfield on monday evening and it smelt absolutely appalling
[11:37] <edmoore> any idea what that was?
[11:37] <edmoore> like a sewage leak or something
[11:37] <paul_HAB-P> Sorry about that. had curry 2 days running
[11:37] <edmoore> :)
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[11:38] <fsphil> mmmm curry
[11:38] <edmoore> it was so strong on the m40 though
[11:38] <daveake> hmmm running
[11:38] <fsphil> curry is good (so long as there are no onions in it)
[11:39] <edmoore> onions are great
[11:40] <edmoore> i'd be lost without onions
[11:40] <paul_HAB-P> hmm nothing on the repeaters. At least i can see noise level drop when I unplug the aerial...
[11:40] <edmoore> yeah some are active and some aren't
[11:40] <edmoore> sometimes they just announce their presence in a computer-voice every 30 mins
[11:41] <paul_HAB-P> oh right ok...
[11:43] <paul_HAB-P> hmm no joy there. think i am going to configure the habduino
[11:43] <gonzo__> try tuning 100MHz area for some broadcast stations. That should be reliable. though quite wide signals
[11:43] <fsphil> you'll get some aircraft signals on 123.775mhz
[11:44] <fsphil> AM
[11:44] <paul_HAB-P> ok - will try 123.775 :)
[11:45] <fsphil> they're not always chatty but it's fairly regular
[11:45] <fsphil> very difficult to figure out what they're saying
[11:45] <fsphil> pilots have their own language
[11:46] <HF_ATL_> paul... do you also plan to modify the code to collect the data to a sdcard?
[11:47] <paul_HAB-P> hmm. nothing. @HF - yes eventually!
[11:48] <HF_ATL_> looking forward to it... keep us updated! :)
[11:49] <paul_HAB-P> Oh got it. Needed to set the Local LNB Lo for the funcube to 16Mhz. no idea what that means :s
[11:53] <fsphil> you only need to set that if you have some kind of down/up converter
[11:55] <paul_HAB-P> yeah been playing with it and see it has no effect - however, gqrx was not picking up any signals until I played with it. Go figure.
[11:56] <paul_HAB-P> This is so funky. My first SDR signals received :-)
[12:00] <fsphil> it just offsets the frequency gqrx displays to what the funcube dongle is actually receiving
[12:00] <fsphil> if you had something that converted 30mhz up to 300mhz for example, you'd use it so that gqrx would display 30mhz instead of 300
[12:01] <paul_HAB-P> ah got it
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[12:04] <Maxell> PrintSnap Instant Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QsEOHIp4Vc :D
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[12:46] <paul_HAB-P> Yay! I am receiving my habduino :-)
[12:48] <HF_ATL_> will you use aprs?
[12:50] <HF_ATL_> nice xmas gift :)
[12:50] <paul_HAB-P> not allowed to in the uk as it requires a HAM license and ham doesnt allow airborne or unattended???
[12:50] <paul_HAB-P> going to also text when at low altitude...
[12:50] <paul_HAB-P> Yeah - just been made redundant so thought I would have a play with some geeky stuff :)
[12:51] <fsphil> aww
[12:51] Nick change: x-f_ -> x-f
[12:51] <gonzo__> sms has a very low reliability for HAB
[12:52] <gonzo__> fine as a backup if it's cheap
[12:52] <HF_ATL_> oh.. seems that everyone here is from UK :p
[12:52] <gonzo__> mostloy, but not everyone
[12:53] <paul_HAB-P> Yup it was erm reasonably cheap... (aurdino + fona)
[12:53] <paul_HAB-P> not cheap enough to tell the misses
[12:53] <HF_ATL_> in xmas everyone forgive...
[12:53] <paul_HAB-P> yay my habduino has locked on! Happy days...
[12:54] <fsphil> you going to be doing live images?
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[12:54] <paul_HAB-P> not yet. first things first. Lets launch a balloon and get it back...
[12:55] <HF_ATL_> any date already planned to the launch?
[12:56] <paul_HAB-P> Nope. gotta work out final payload weight which will decide everything else (e.g. ordering ballons and chute etc)
[12:56] <paul_HAB-P> then look for some good weather
[12:56] <paul_HAB-P> and apply to the caa
[12:56] <paul_HAB-P> think we will probably head out west to swindon as the tracks from there end up pretty close to us.
[12:56] <fsphil> I'd do that last one first
[12:57] <paul_HAB-P> understood...
[12:57] <paul_HAB-P> I'd quite like to write on my cv: Made redundant, went to space.
[12:57] <fsphil> the normal pattern is, apply for launch on date, weather is crap, apply for another date, weather is crap ....
[12:58] <paul_HAB-P> lol
[12:58] <mattbrejza> well its changed, its apply for a long period then tell him 72hrs before you itnend to launch
[12:58] <fsphil> oh you can do that now?
[12:58] <fsphil> been a while since I spoke to DM
[12:59] <mattbrejza> yea
[12:59] <paul_HAB-P> so although FLDIGI is seeing my packets, the data isnt showing up in the fields. Is this because my FLDIGI is in offline mode?
[12:59] <mattbrejza> so you get the document but it doesnt appear on notam maps until you notify of an intended launch
[12:59] <fsphil> I shall have to have a word with him
[12:59] <fsphil> that's a better idea
[13:00] <paul_HAB-P> I'll have to get intros to these guys once I get closer to wanting to launch
[13:00] <paul_HAB-P> (if thats ok)
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[13:30] <mattbrejza> was going though my bookmarks, a blast from the past: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/receivers.php&t=p&output=classic&dg=feature
[13:32] <lz1dev> /fq 4
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[13:40] <mattbrejza> farnell 15% off today for >£70
[13:40] <mattbrejza> no T&M
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[13:49] <fsphil> drat, I only need a resistor
[13:50] <daveake> hah
[13:50] <mattbrejza> http://onecall.farnell.com/vishay/wcr38x250a3900jb/resistor-wirewound-390-ohm-5-screw/dp/2429112 ?
[13:52] <daveake> hah I just found the same one!
[13:52] <mattbrejza> ;)
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[13:55] <amell_> !ping b-64
[13:55] <SpacenearUS> 03amell_: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0325 days ago
[13:57] <cm13g09> :(
[13:58] <cm13g09> mattbrejza: Onecall.... all right for some lol
[13:59] <mattbrejza> theyve changed their policies so you cant order a 1p resistor next day anymore
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[14:13] <qyx_> i was like grrr on monday because of farnell
[14:13] <qyx_> their new eshop is hardly usable
[14:14] <qyx_> i mean i was submitting the order almost two hours
[14:14] <qyx_> and they still haven't confirmed the order, payment is not processed, stuff is not shipped
[14:14] <qyx_> it is thursday now
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Order from RS, and if it arries, refuse?
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[16:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03DF6IU_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=DF6IU_chase
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[17:20] <SpeedEvil> http://live.projectionnet.com/AGUPress2014/FM2014.aspx - OCO results
[17:36] <gonzo__> listening to the iss sstv feed
[17:36] <gonzo__> can hear voces and windows bongs
[17:36] <gonzo__> voices
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
[17:37] <SpeedEvil> There is no need for that - regular glass bongs work fine
[17:40] <gonzo__> "you appear to be trying to ... get stoned.... Would you like me to help?...."
[17:42] <gonzo__> bloody strong
[17:42] <gonzo__> S9+20db
[17:47] <Myself> http://i.imgur.com/J1PJDth.jpg
[17:47] <Myself> This guy would totally help you get high.
[17:48] <gonzo__> looking at him, poss yes!
[17:48] <Myself> (aka @mattoehrlein, aka i3detroit's previous president, aka one of the nerds behind megabots..)
[17:48] <gonzo__> Unless he'a smoked/taken it all
[17:48] <Myself> haha no, he shares :P
[17:48] <gonzo__> www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/iss/
[17:48] <Myself> nice decode
[17:49] <Myself> Coolest callsign ever, btw. Didn't realize handle equated to call.. hah.
[17:53] <Maxell> Myself: how about PD1ODE? http://qrz.com/db/PD1ODE ;)
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[17:54] <Myself> I'm pretty proud of W1RLS myself ;)
[17:59] <gonzo__> at the time I got the class A licence, you could only reserve a callsign, but had to wait till it came up in sequence for it to be issued.
[17:59] <gonzo__> So I had a 6month window to pick a call that wa scoming up
[17:59] <gonzo__> and that was during the drunk student days
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[18:37] <amell_> ariane launch shortly
[18:39] <Myself> I was just watching KSP videos..
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[18:51] <kc2pit_> So I know there's been some use of LoRa radios on balloons. Has anybody looked at putting them in honest-to-von-Karman space?
[18:52] <kc2pit_> I'm particularly curious if there are any licensing issues that would be raised by DSSS or increased bandwidth vs. a NFM-based mode.
[18:53] <kc2pit_> That's probably government-specific, but the IARU might have things to say also, assuming it's an amateur-licensed project.
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[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:22] <arnamak> Hi all, I'm working on a web application that displays weather balloon data metrics in a visually appealing way. much like habitat does. Basically we're just working on a web dev course and doing this for our final project...along with launching our own balloon. Anyway, I'm here to ask if you have an API or something that we could pull some seed data from, like just a database with the stats from 10-ish flights that we could pop
[20:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_PLUS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY_PLUS
[20:24] <amell_> arnamak: http://habitat.habhub.org/ept
[20:24] <mfa298> arnamak: various useful links on http://habitat.habhub.org/ you may also want to talk to people in #habhub as that's where the people dealing with the backend tend to lurk (they may not be around all the time so it may be a case of ask a question and wait a while)
[20:25] <arnamak> Thanks! much appreciated!
[20:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/327080/couple-close-death-after-night-stuck-keyless-car
[20:28] <amell_> that happened to me. I eventually realised the unlock was on the door after about 5 mins.
[20:28] <amell_> but all night? they must be stupid
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[20:28] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/56616757 CO2 global explorer
[20:29] <Myself> umm... you pull the handle twice?
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> Including chlorophyl flourescance
[20:29] <amell_> there was a unlock all doors button on the door, which i didnt notice as id never had reason to use it before.
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[21:08] <Meduza_> Hello!
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/56575467 - rosetta latest results
[21:09] <Meduza_> on the burst calculator, what doeas the "neck lift" mean? Is it the total force which the balloon generate or is it with the payload attached already?
[21:11] <Meduza_> Anyone there?
[21:11] <mikestir> neck lift is what the balloon generates
[21:11] <daveake> It's the lift at the neck
[21:11] <kc2pit_> I believe that's the force you'll measure while holding on to the balloon.
[21:11] <Meduza_> ok. Thanks!
[21:11] <kc2pit_> So displacement minus envelope and helium weight.
[21:12] <Meduza_> Another question. How precise is the landing predictor?
[21:13] <mattbrejza> whatever it gets from the precision of the floating point numbers it uses
[21:14] <mattbrejza> (ask what its accuracy is instead ;) )
[21:14] <Meduza_> How accurate is the landing predictor?
[21:14] <mattbrejza> and the answer to that is that it depends on how accuratly you set burst/ascent/decent
[21:14] <pc1pcl> It's pretty good but of course needs correct input. I suppose intended use is to check if you're not going to land in (or close to) the sea.
[21:15] <pc1pcl> or in a dense population area.
[21:15] <mattbrejza> just put in extremes of what you expect and then thats your range of positions
[21:15] <pc1pcl> then drive to the predicted landing spot and should at least be able 'close'.
[21:16] <mattbrejza> well as you get close youll have a better idea of where its going to land
[21:16] <kc2pit_> Note that balloons may not burst when you expect them to, nor is it easy to measure neck lift precisely. If you're planning on a slow ascent, a small error in fill can make a big difference in flight time and distance.
[21:16] <pc1pcl> look for the only tree in the empty field ;)
[21:17] <kc2pit_> ^^ Truth.
[21:17] <Meduza_> ok! Good!
[21:17] <Meduza_> Well my ascent rate will be 5.85m/s
[21:18] <mattbrejza> id put at most 5.5 into the predictor when trying to see if itll get wet or not
[21:18] <pc1pcl> if you get a chance to follow a few flights 'live' on the tracker, you'll also get a better idea of how accurate it is.
[21:18] <mattbrejza> and perhaps 4 if you havnt done this before
[21:19] <Meduza_> Do you think i can find it about 2km from the point on the map?
[21:19] <mattbrejza> if the input is exactly the same as what you have then 2km is reasonable
[21:20] <daveake> optimistic probably
[21:20] <daveake> Well in practice it is. Something will differr - fill or bust
[21:20] <daveake> +r
[21:21] <kc2pit_> I'd be surprised with 2km of precision, unless there were very slow winds aloft and a very fast up-and-down time.
[21:22] <pc1pcl> prediction does get updated during the flight with the input from trackers, so you might not have to depend on the initial prediction.
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[21:24] <kc2pit_> If it's a matter of trying to be close to it when it lands, then live updates help. If it's a decision of "is it going to go swimming in the ocean today, or should I wait for tomorrow," then you need to be cautious about trusting the prediction.
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[23:19] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/12/18/counting-transistors-in-the-playstation/
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[23:21] <arko> wow
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