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[00:02] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> thats a shame, thanks
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[00:08] <amell_> !ping b-64
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[00:26] <HF_ATL> anyone have tried decoding balloon aprs real time with a radio wideband scanner with success?
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[00:30] <kf7fer> not to be an idiot (I know, too late) but what is a radio wideband scanner? Are you just talking about a scanner than covers the 2m band?
[00:31] <kf7fer> like one of the "listen to police/fire" type things?
[00:31] <HF_ATL> nop, I'm talking one that covers the hf, vhf and uhf
[00:31] <HF_ATL> continously
[00:33] <kf7fer> hmmm... sorry. I've just plugged radio sources into a PC and decoded APRS packets that way
[00:34] <arko> connector shopping takes forever >_<
[00:36] <HF_ATL> I wondering if connecting the audio output jack between the radio and laptop running the sw will work good
[00:37] <HF_ATL> just because i have that radio and would like to avoid buying extra stuff to track the balloon
[00:37] <kf7fer> Worth a try right? I wouldn't think scanning would work great for packet reception but who knows?
[00:37] <craag> linking the model of scanner you're using would help
[00:38] <kf7fer> but how much APRS traffic do you expect outside of the "normal" bands anyways? "normal" depending upon where you live
[00:38] <craag> but if it does narrowband FM on 144.8 or whatever your local aprs freq is - should work fine
[00:38] <HF_ATL> here you go... http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/MVT-7100/7200
[00:38] <HF_ATL> yes it does...but only fm and wfm
[00:38] <craag> yep - that'll work well :)
[00:39] <kf7fer> craag has the right idea - stick with the correct freq unless you know of a payload using an off freq
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[00:39] <craag> 'fm' in this case will be narrow, as opposed to 'wfm'=wideband fm
[00:39] <HF_ATL> do not expect much rf traffic as there are very few hams around here
[00:40] <HF_ATL> even so I guess the bw will be higher than needed but the snr hopefully will stay above the minimums
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[00:42] <HF_ATL> and the dl-fldigi will be the best sw in my case?
[00:42] <craag> for aprs - no
[00:42] <craag> dl-fldigi is designed for RTTY, DominoEX and other modes, not APRS
[00:43] <HF_ATL> I mentioned that only because of this reference: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[00:44] <HF_ATL> aprs as I understood is a digital comm, based on packets only
[00:44] <kf7fer> I found that direwolf worked for me out of the box - I simply installed it and was able to decode APRS packets without any changes
[00:44] <craag> direwolf seems to be well recommded
[00:44] <kf7fer> I've also used http://uz7.ho.ua/packetradio.htm as well
[00:45] <craag> most european (especially UK) balloons use RTTY, and so need dl-fldigi - as we can't use aprs
[00:45] <HF_ATL> thank you for the advise
[00:45] <craag> Where are you based? And what balloon are you trying to receive?
[00:45] <HF_ATL> btw is there any sw that can display also a map with real time tracking?
[00:46] <HF_ATL> well I have not bought anything yet, just getting some knowledge
[00:46] <HF_ATL> II'm from Portugal
[00:46] <craag> Ah ok
[00:46] <lz1dev> uiview32
[00:46] <lz1dev> perhaps
[00:46] <HF_ATL> not decided in the balloon to choose atm
[00:47] <craag> APRSISCE is another aprs gui
[00:47] <craag> still needs another piece of software to decode the audio -> packets though
[00:47] <lz1dev> yeah
[00:48] <HF_ATL> so running two apps in parallel will do the trick?
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[00:49] <lz1dev> there was another one
[00:49] <lz1dev> AGWtracker or something
[00:50] <lz1dev> but its not free
[00:51] <HF_ATL> I am downloading the sw all of you mentioned (and thank you!), just need to try them for a while...
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[00:54] <kf7fer> I think that some pargs of AGWTracker are free - like the engine. But there are some parts that aren't
[00:54] <kf7fer> pargs=parts
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[00:56] <HF_ATL> the agwtracker can decode the packets and display in a map at the same time? (also assuming that there is an internet connection)
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[04:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KT5TK-4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KT5TK-4
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[07:11] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH31-10 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH31-10
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[07:37] <jarod> 2815KHz - FSK, Stanag -4481 850Hz, 75Bd anyone know how this is set in dl-fldigi?
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[08:14] <jededu> EDUPIC10 is up
[08:14] <jededu> 434.275 100 8n2
[08:15] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC10 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC10
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[08:22] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:25] <Upu> moring
[08:25] <jcoxon> perhaps we should have a geographical filter on new snus
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[08:28] <jededu> morning
[08:30] <jcoxon> hey jededu
[08:30] <jededu> Hey
[08:30] <jededu> whats up jcoxon
[08:31] <jcoxon> your balloon?
[08:31] <jcoxon> :-)
[08:31] <jededu> Yes :)
[08:31] <Upu> I can see it jededu
[08:31] <jededu> Cool upu back to the old copper antenna
[08:34] <Upu> what did you have on the last one ?
[08:34] <jededu> Ernies
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[08:35] <jededu> Not much weight saving and the copper seems a fair bit stronger
[08:35] <jededu> In signal
[08:36] <jededu> But I do stretch it
[08:37] <Upu> really ?
[08:37] <Upu> I've always found the ernie ball to be way stronger
[08:37] <Upu> when you say copper what do you mean ?
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[08:38] <jededu> I definatly noticed a drop in signal at the same range last time
[08:38] <jededu> I use .5 mm solid core and harden it
[08:39] <jededu> it may be .6mm
[08:39] <Upu> interesting never noticed much difference
[08:39] <jededu> It gets very springy
[08:39] <Upu> physically EB13 is way better than copper
[08:40] <Upu> afk dog walk
[08:40] <jededu> I dont know enough about antennas to comment maybe its a better match to the MTX2
[08:41] <daveake> Shouldn't be any different
[08:41] <jededu> I need to repeat it and keep more notes
[08:42] <jededu> Next time ill send 2 up and do a comparison
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[08:49] <jcoxon> oooo i like the horizon distance calculator
[08:49] <jcoxon> that looks really cool
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[08:59] <PE2G> !flights
[08:59] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Current flights: 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11), 03G-07 10(2530), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[09:00] <PE2G> !dial EDUPIC10
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274513 MHz, 434.274 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.27403 MHz, 434.2742 MHz, 434.2737 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274478 MHz
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[09:03] <PE2G> !whereis B-64
[09:03] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: 03B-64 was over 03South, Iceland 10(64.1198,-19.0706) at 0312451 meters about 0321 days ago
[09:08] <jededu> On the old spacenearus when you hovered over the track it showed a path to the current trackers is there a way to enable that function in the mobile tracker
[09:11] <Upu> yeah
[09:11] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/old.php
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[09:14] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm all
[09:14] <Upu> morning
[09:15] <Herman-PB0AHX> Upu: edupic is from u ??
[09:16] <pc1pcl_> morning
[09:17] Nick change: pc1pcl_ -> pc1pcl
[09:17] <Upu> no Herman-PB0AHX
[09:17] <Upu> jededu
[09:18] <mfa298> jededu: if there's missing things on the new tracker talk to lz1dev and/or stick a note on the github issue tracker (link from the info pane)
[09:18] <mclane_> Good morning everybody - Question to the RFM98 users: can I do standard RTTY with the RFM98W (the datasheet is pretty difficult to understand)?
[09:19] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok tnx
[09:20] <jededu> Thx ill do that
[09:21] <pc1pcl> from a quick look at the data sheet it should also be able to do fsk and ook.
[09:22] <Darkside> ask mazzanet_
[09:22] <Darkside> mattbrejza: i mean
[09:22] <pc1pcl> but th efsk seems to be 'high speed' compared to the 50 bd seen here usually
[09:23] <mclane_> my idea is to have <= 300 bd RTTY as backup for LoRa - interleaved
[09:26] <pc1pcl> looks like the chip tries to take all 'hard' things out of your hands, but doesn't do 'slow'.
[09:26] <mfa298> I think he had to bodge slower rtty by oversampling, although you might also be able to do it by toggling a pin
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[09:30] <mclane_> probably I can do it by switching the carrier frequency "manually" like it has been done with the rfm22b
[09:30] <db_g6gzh> apparently it won't switch while transmitting
[09:31] <pc1pcl> does it allow you to change the frequency while it's transmitting? Or can you switch off, change frequency, switch on, quickly enough?
[09:31] <mfa298> I think Matt said it doesn't change unless you stop tx which might mess up any timing
[09:31] <mclane_> isn't there something like a cw mode?
[09:32] <pc1pcl> that's OOK on-off keying.
[09:32] <pc1pcl> might use that. or just send one half off the rtty signal and see it that's enough to decode.
[09:33] <mfa298> I think from what's been said you can set the shift then use one of the io pins to toggle the high/low tones (so something a bit more like driving the ntx2)
[09:35] <pc1pcl> the RFM68CW seems to have that kind of FSK mode,
[09:39] <pc1pcl> !dial edupic10
[09:39] <SpacenearUS> 03pc1pcl: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274535 MHz, 434.2742 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.27407 MHz, 434.274 MHz
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[09:43] <pe1bia> wich freq. g-07
[09:44] <PE1PLM> pls what is the frequency to listen in
[09:44] <PE2G> !dial EDUPIC10
[09:44] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274535 MHz, 434.2742 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.27407 MHz
[09:46] <PE1PLM> pls what is the frequency of G-07
[09:47] <Upu> not heard since last night PE1PLM
[09:47] <pc1pcl> G-07 was at 434.510, but was messed up anyway.
[09:47] <pc1pcl> last I heard it was 7 hours ago
[09:47] <pc1pcl> Edupic10 is coming our way though.
[09:49] <jededu> Hopefully it will make it across the north sea this time :)
[09:49] <SA6BSS-Mike> this got some speed so it will hopefully have crossed it before sunset
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[09:50] <jededu> And it should go higher
[09:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, high is allways better :)
[09:52] <jededu> At 21:00 it will transmit at 10 min intervals untill 07:00
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[09:57] <PE1PLM> Is the TX of the EDUPIC10 alway on. And whe can i find QRG info on the web ??
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[09:58] <PE2G> PE1PLM: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/IXspQyPQNGQ/cgv61rpHwpYJ
[09:59] <PE1PLM> TNX
[09:59] <PE2G> And you could make this request:
[09:59] <PE2G> !dial EDUPIC10
[10:06] <jededu> !dial EDUPIC10
[10:06] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274535 MHz, 434.274 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.27404 MHz, 434.2745 MHz, 434.2742 MHz
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[10:33] <junderwood> !dial edupic10
[10:33] <SpacenearUS> 03junderwood: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274606 MHz, 434.2742 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.27404 MHz, 434.274 MHz
[10:37] <guido_> !dail b-64
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[10:38] <guido_> !ping b-64
[10:38] <SpacenearUS> 03guido_: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0321 days ago
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[10:51] <DutchMillbt> !dial EDUPIC10
[10:51] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.274 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.274018 MHz, 434.273 MHz
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[11:03] <PE2G> DutchMillbt: How is reception?
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[11:20] <DanielRichman> db_g6gzh: hi
[11:21] <mazzanet_> Darkside:
[11:21] Nick change: mazzanet_ -> mazzanet
[11:24] <db_g6gzh> DanielRichman: hello
[11:25] <DanielRichman> db_g6gzh: are you using habitat/transition/?
[11:26] <db_g6gzh> yes
[11:26] <db_g6gzh> is that bad?
[11:26] <DanielRichman> you're occasionally posting non-ascii strings; presumably stuff received over a radio?
[11:26] <DanielRichman> well it's massively deprecated and will eventually die
[11:27] <DanielRichman> but at the moment I'm just kind of curious as to what you use it for
[11:29] <db_g6gzh> ok, I'm just playing with a standalone extracter/uploader for telemetry strings
[11:29] <DanielRichman> so: if you're liable to upload arbitary binary data I strongly suggest that you use the base64 upload mode
[11:30] <DanielRichman> but the real answer is: import habitat; u = habitat.uploader.Uploader("callsign"); u.payload_telemetry("data")
[11:30] <db_g6gzh> it should be onlu ascii but had some bugs with 8 bit chars
[11:31] <db_g6gzh> it's C
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[11:33] <DanielRichman> you're going to get very strange encoding things going on
[11:34] <DanielRichman> it's not really a good idea to post binary data over http, I think
[11:34] <DanielRichman> *over urlencoded form http stuff
[11:34] <DanielRichman> C or C++?
[11:34] <DanielRichman> there is a C++ habitat client, it's for dl-fldigi
[11:34] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-cpp-connector
[11:35] <DanielRichman> but was kept as a separate library so that people could use it
[11:35] <db_g6gzh> I am urlencoding but it's meant to be filtered to printable ASCII before that
[11:35] <db_g6gzh> just C not C++
[11:35] <DanielRichman> if it's only printable ascii then that should be OK
[11:36] <db_g6gzh> the binary was just due to hopefully now fixed bugs
[11:36] <DanielRichman> kk
[11:37] <db_g6gzh> sorry to have raised the alarms and thanks for commenting
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[11:40] <bertrik_techinc> !dial g-07
[11:40] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik_techinc: Latest dials for 03G-07 10(2530): 03434.50984 MHz, 434.5087 MHz, 434.509921 MHz, 434.5098 MHz, 434.5093 MHz
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[11:42] <bertrik_techinc> !dial edupic10
[11:42] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik_techinc: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03434.27399 MHz, 434.2742 MHz, 434.273 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.274018 MHz, 434.274 MHz
[11:43] <bertrik_techinc> unfortunately a lot of QRM on 434.274 :(
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[12:11] <guido_> what is the rf power of edupic-10 ?
[12:14] <PE2G> First greens from EDUPIC at -0.2 deg, 340 km in QRM
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[12:26] <bertrik_techinc> wow, nice PE2G
[12:28] <PE2G> bertrik_techinc: signal is quite strong
[12:32] <jededu> guido_ 10mw
[12:33] <PE2G> Every second green string, I get: Caught runtime error;habitat Unmergeable Error
[12:36] <jededu> PE2G its because its the same string transmittes twice
[12:36] <PE2G> OK, thanks, hadn't noticed that yet...
[12:39] <bertrik_techinc> PE2G: I have some kind of digital + voice on that frequency ... :(
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[12:43] <PE2G> bertrik_techinc: thats bad :( here it's some broadband digital source
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[12:46] <PE2G> bertrik_techinc: I can only get greens with AFC off
[12:48] <Herman-PB0AHX> so now i have new cable on vertical and can i listening direct
[12:50] <bertrik_techinc> I'm in Amsterdam right now, attending an SDR-workshop at hackerspace TechInc, hoping to be able to demonstrate HAB reception </offtopic>
[12:54] <PE2G> bertrik_techinc: You're not on the map yet?
[12:55] <Maxell> PE2G: he might not have filled in techinc gps location
[12:55] <PE2G> Maxell: Seems so
[12:57] <Maxell> I wonder If I should setup the RX
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[12:59] <bertrik_techinc> I'm using the revspace receiver, so didn't intend to put myself in Amsterdam on the map
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[13:03] <Maxell> ok RXing too
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[13:30] <MaXimaN> !dials
[13:31] <MaXimaN> !dial edupic10
[13:31] <SpacenearUS> 03MaXimaN: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03111.111111 MHz, 434.27449 MHz, 434.2747 MHz, 434.6505 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.27436 MHz, 434.275 MHz, 434.2745 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 22.269601 MHz
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[13:31] <fsphil> bit of a variation there :)
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[13:44] <pd3jag> hello all some info about edupic please freq and mode pse .
[13:45] <pd3jag> and g07 info pse
[13:46] <PE2G> pd3jag: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/IXspQyPQNGQ/cgv61rpHwpYJ
[13:46] <jarod> if i cant decode a DDH station in dlfldigi
[13:46] <pd3jag> okee tnx PE2G
[13:46] <jarod> what do i do wrong?
[13:48] <jededu> !dial EDUPIC10
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): 03111.111111 MHz, 434.6505 MHz, 22.269601 MHz, 434.27449 MHz, 434.274008 MHz, 434.27436 MHz, 434.275 MHz, 434.2745 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.2747 MHz
[13:48] <jededu> !flight EDUPIC10
[13:48] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Flight 10(9f11): 03EDUPIC10 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 08:30 from 03West Midlands, UK 10(52.53878,-1.87815)
[13:50] <jededu> Very satble float :)
[13:51] <jarod> When dl-fldigi decodes go wrong, what have i forgotten?
[13:52] <Reb-SM0ULC> good afternoon
[13:54] <jarod> 62145 QRQWR OOTEQ QPPWI RUXOI XWQWY QPPUE WPPWQ RPPOE TIPQR UPPXX WWWPP QPTPT UPPWEV
[13:54] <jarod> 62166 QRQWR OOTEP QPPWT RUOOU XWEXX QPPYY WPPEO UPPXX WWWPPV
[13:54] <jarod> getting this... wtf?
[13:54] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Still on reverse Jarod?
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[13:56] <jarod> nop tried those too
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 7bit not 8 bit or otherway but those groups look for real ?
[13:58] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Have you set it at 380Hz, 100Bd, 8N2?
[13:58] <jarod> this is 147.3 khz
[13:58] <jarod> i cant even get to work :/
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> what is it your listening too its not real Baudot is it 5 bit ?
[13:59] <jededu> !payload EDUPIC10
[13:59] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Payload 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11) 03$$EDUPIC10 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.275 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/380Hz ASCII-8 none 2
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[14:01] <jarod> wtf can i do to make dlfldigi work?
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[14:02] <jarod> AHHH AFC OFF!
[14:02] <jarod> CQ CQ CQ DE DDH47 DDH9 DDH8
[14:02] <jarod> FREQUENCIES 147.3 KHZ 11039 KHZ 14467.3 KHZ
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[14:03] <edmoore> wrong window
[14:04] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> what do you mean with 147300 Hz?
[14:05] <jarod> i couldn't decode rtty anymore (new pc)
[14:07] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I did not understand where you are using these high frequencies for, never mind :)
[14:07] <jarod> 147.3 = stable signal, to test RTTY :)
[14:09] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Do you have greens now?
[14:13] <jarod> still need to load the signal
[14:13] <jarod> in dlfldigi do i fill in QTH and/or locator for the map?
[14:15] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Coordinates in decimal notation.
[14:16] <jarod> long/lat? lat/long? with , ?
[14:16] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> https://www.philcrump.co.uk/qthMap/ zoom in and copy you coordinaties
[14:16] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> In DL-FLdigi config panel in the tab "Location"
[14:17] <jarod> doesbn't exist
[14:17] <jarod> QTH or Locator
[14:17] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Have you used the HAB modus of DL-FLdigi
[14:17] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ?
[14:17] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Thats important
[14:17] <jarod> Oh shit :P
[14:17] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> :)
[14:18] <jarod> QTH what to fill in?
[14:18] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> let me find you a link, one moment please
[14:18] <jarod> 52.xxx,4.xxx ?
[14:19] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Ok, in the "operator" tab, you see fields for your name and locator. For the locator you go to http://qthlocator.free.fr/index.php
[14:20] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> If you click on DL client, you see some more tabs
[14:20] <jarod> locator and name done
[14:20] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> In the tab location, you copy the coordinaties longtitude and latitude
[14:21] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> At altitude, you have to determine your antennaheight. Not that important
[14:22] <jarod> Ok
[14:22] <jarod> now going to 434.275
[14:22] <x-f> just don't leave the altitude field empty, enter 0 if you don't know
[14:22] <jarod> nothing there, what is actial freq?
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[14:23] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> 434.274.3
[14:23] <jarod> also empty :O
[14:24] <jcoxon> i think there are gaps
[14:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> it is, he sends once in 2 mins
[14:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I tell you when he's there
[14:24] <jarod> Oh :O
[14:24] <jarod> settings from browser ok?
[14:24] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Autoconfig works fine for this one
[14:25] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> There it is...!
[14:25] <jarod> see it
[14:25] <jarod> had to config
[14:25] <jarod> soundcard
[14:25] <jarod> signal is very weak :O
[14:25] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> ok, what is your location jarod?
[14:26] <jarod> just above amsterdam
[14:26] <jarod> there i am:
[14:26] <jarod> Jarod
[14:26] <jarod> Radio: Airspy
[14:26] <jarod> Antenna: Discone
[14:26] <jarod> Last Contact: 0 hours ago
[14:26] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> is has to be strong then. I'm in Leusden
[14:27] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I'm just using an cheapo RTL 2832 dongle and a good matched Diamond V2000 antenna
[14:27] <jarod> my discone isn't happy on that freq for HAB signals
[14:28] <jarod> other SRDs are much stronger
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[14:28] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Wideband antennas are always a compromise. ... Maybe you can buy a cheap secondhand vertical from diamond
[14:29] <jarod> this signal is just super weak :O
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[14:30] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> It has to be superstrong right now :) Oops
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[14:39] <jarod> 10/15 db SNR on the signal :/
[14:41] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> I have about 15 tot 25
[14:42] <pc1pcl> hmm was exactly 0 for me this last time.
[14:45] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434mhz-2014-12-14.jpg
[14:45] <jarod> just too weak
[14:47] <jededu> jarod doesent that need to be set to USB
[14:48] <pc1pcl> jarod, in case not figured it out, those RTTY signals you were looking at earlier were coded weather reports, so no wonder they didn't make much sense..
[14:48] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> jededu, you're sharp
[14:48] <jededu> No I have mine set to USB thats all
[14:49] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> Jarod has to do that too indeed
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[15:06] <PE2G> With squelch on, I can use AFC and prevent it from tuning to QRM. Which is nice.
[15:06] <PE2G> http://s21.postimg.org/hm6epyrwn/Screen_14_12_14.png
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[15:46] <jededu> ping PE2G
[15:47] <PE2G> pong
[15:47] <jededu> How is the signal on EDUPIC10
[15:48] <pc1pcl> strangely enough nothing audible since 12 minutes here in The Hague.
[15:48] <jededu> Thats what I saw just wondering why mmm
[15:49] <PE2G> Standby for that pls, I'll check at the next transmission
[15:49] <PE2G> Greens only here
[15:49] <jededu> Cool and good strength ?
[15:50] <PE2G> Yes
[15:50] <pc1pcl> Conditions working against me here then. nothing on the WF even, but the regular lines of QRM..
[15:50] <jededu> Thx
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[15:51] <jededu> pc1pcl nothing in the way
[15:51] <pc1pcl> I guess complaining helped, visible on wf again just now again.
[15:51] <PE2G> s/n ~20 dB for Edupic here
[15:52] <jededu> Thanks for tracking all
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[15:59] <jededu> PC1PCL :)
[15:59] <pc1pcl> green again in The Hague, yes ;)
[16:00] Nick change: det_ -> DJ3AK
[16:01] <pc1pcl> noticed radio seems to go up in frequency when starting the run, so the lead-in tone is also being used as a warming-up ;)
[16:05] <jededu> Yes I gave it a good preamble
[16:06] <Maxell> pc1pcl: looks like last rx here was 27 mins ago
[16:06] <Maxell> greens before...
[16:07] <DJ3AK> green nw here
[16:07] <Maxell> However the last packet was also red. "$$EDUPIC10,231,15:37:04,5337.40930,0520.19818,07,7852.0,-40,1.26*6C61"
[16:08] <Maxell> Ah strong again... 434.274 Mhz if dl-fldigi @ 1500
[16:08] <Maxell> Shift is something like 430 or more
[16:08] <Maxell> !payload EDUPIC10
[16:08] <SpacenearUS> 03Maxell: Payload 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11) 03$$EDUPIC10 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.275 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/380Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[16:08] <Maxell> 380Hz was way too narrow
[16:08] <jededu> Really that high !
[16:09] <jededu> It was dead on when it launched could be the cold
[16:10] <Maxell> pc1pcl: can you confirm?
[16:10] <Maxell> or DJ3AK :)
[16:10] <DJ3AK> yes, confirm: shift is about 420 Hz
[16:12] <Maxell> jededu: running with 440 here http://i.sigio.nl/199aa0ed883568cb804c415d5958d139.png
[16:12] <jededu> Thx Maxell signal looks good :)
[16:13] <Maxell> Yeah, all fine just really wide suddenly
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[16:19] <Maxell> jededu: need more preamble! http://i.sigio.nl/148f6630d1e3dbba62d44be4749aecd7.png
[16:19] <Maxell> Like, double the warming up time :)
[16:20] <jededu> Ok noted :)
[16:20] <Maxell> Or I could widen the rtty detectors
[16:21] <Maxell> However, that does increase the likelyness of a wrong string
[16:21] <Maxell> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,251,16:17:04,5346.34864,00606.61747,07,7722.6,-41.25,1.22*5724
[16:21] <Maxell> `BK|6dh,25",106,7756.4,-41.25,1.2*4B2B
[16:21] <Maxell> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,252,16:19:04,5346.90306,00608.90733,06,7756.4,-41.25,1.2*4B2B
[16:21] <Maxell> heheh
[16:21] <Maxell> Thats what happeing now.
[16:22] <Maxell> It stays at the last seen freq, and thats too high to get the "$$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,252,16:19:04,5346.90306,00608.90733," part
[16:22] <pc1pcl> first string is also used for warm up now ;) maybe just sent it thrice ;)
[16:23] <Maxell> Funny thing about twice the same line is that more people end up in the "recievers" list.
[16:23] <Maxell> Because you get to receive it twice.
[16:24] <Maxell> Otherwise you will only end up on that list if you receive the last send line correctly.
[16:24] <Maxell> Very constant warming up time:
[16:24] <Maxell> |þ·‚Œ!?09,7796.1,-41.25,1.22*7179
[16:24] <Maxell> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,253,16:21:04,5347.46677,00611.21972,09,7796.1,-41.25,1.22*7179
[16:25] <Maxell> Once again missing the first "$$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,253,16:21:04,5347.46677,00611.21972," :)
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[16:26] <jededu> Well that bit works :)
[16:26] <Maxell> Actually, I will time the "$$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,253,16:21:04,5347.46677,00611.21972," part, then you know how much extra preamble you'll need
[16:26] <jededu> Ok
[16:26] <pc1pcl> It was better when it was jus tgetting dark, so likely to get worse.
[16:27] <pc1pcl> might be able to use feedback from the temperature sensor to increase lead in with lower outside tmep.
[16:27] <Ian_> #freenode assistance regarding expired nick release please
[16:28] <Maxell> jededu: about 5 seconds extra worth of preamble to get suffcient drift towards the last known dl-fldigi frequency
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[16:30] <Maxell> [áP/#1.21*3FAA
[16:30] <Maxell> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC10,256,16:27:04,5349.10649,00618.17034,09,7832.1,-41.5,1.21*3FAA
[16:30] <Maxell> jededu: wow, it needs even longer now!
[16:33] <jededu> Ok thx Maxell I could increase it as the temp drops
[16:36] <Maxell> jededu: yep :) The colder the tx is the longer it needs to preamble :D
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[16:37] <jededu> ping x-f
[16:38] <jededu> Ahh thats what pc1pcl suggested :)
[16:40] <jededu> DJ3AK has got it :)
[16:40] <Maxell> Yeah, sounds OK - tuning the amount of preamble reduces the transmitter on time
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[17:28] <guido_> jededu does edupic10 have solar cell?
[17:37] <jededu> guido _ no AAA lithium
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[17:48] <x-f> jededu, pong
[17:51] <jededu> Hi x-f it was a problem with http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs but it seems ok now
[17:52] <jededu> Anyway it may fly over you if it lasts :)
[17:53] <x-f> yeah, i read your mind and already fixed it, something got stuck :)
[17:53] <x-f> i'll keep an eye on it
[17:53] <jededu> Cool :)
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[18:22] <jededu> At 21:00 EDUPIC10 switches to intermittent 10 min transmissions
[18:23] <jededu> Untill 07:00
[18:24] Nick change: day- -> day
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> hey
[18:26] <PE2G> Tnx for the info jededu. I think that I'll be just out of range by then.
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> hello PE2G
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> I got a short info for you, we probably will fly sometime in January :)
[18:29] <PE2G> Hi Lunar, that would be great :)
[18:29] <jededu> x-f should be over you in 11 hours :)
[18:33] <PE2G> Lunar_Lander: What kind of flight will it be? Floater or up & down?
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> up & down
[18:36] <PE2G> OK
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[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> hmm brand new sensor from TI for Temperature and Humidity
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> only available as 8-pin BGA
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> balls
[18:59] <SpeedEvil> I do like the IR sensr
[19:02] <Maxell> Lunar_Lander: anything special ;bout that sensor except the type of connection?
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> can deadbug it reasonably
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> a1= scl. b1 c1 d1 blob and connect to v+
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> didn't read much about it yet, it just appeared on farnell's homepage on the news
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> Blob B2 C2, D2 and connect to ground
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[19:04] <SpeedEvil> A2 is SDA
[19:04] <Maxell> SpeedEvil: why they release as bga then?
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> Maxell: smaller than SOIC8
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[19:04] <Maxell> is "going smaller" still "a thing"
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> 1.6*1.5
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> mm
[19:04] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:04] <Maxell> Even for those type of sensors?!
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[19:05] <Maxell> intresting
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> I'm actually using it at the moment
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> I'm making a hypodermic thermal conductivity probe
[19:05] <SpeedEvil> Eventually I want it to be a ~1mm or so stainless steel probe, with a 0.5mm gap - with 0206 termistor and heater inside
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> stab into some insulation, measure the thermal conductivity
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[19:06] <SpeedEvil> prototype is with 0402 parts
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/hdc1000ypat/humidity-temp-sensor-dsbga-8/dp/2450755
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> I wish the heater on that was a bit more beefy, or I could use it
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[19:15] <Laurenceb__> SpeedEvil seems to have been reading my thesis
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Not really. If I was doing that I would actually be doing something clever with the sensor. :)
[19:16] <Laurenceb__> i did a load of stuff with tmp006 :D
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> what was your thesis about?
[19:16] <Laurenceb__> blood flow monitoring
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> Not the sort of hypodermic you stab people with :)
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> can you solder BGAs with a hot-air gun?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> I suppose yes, I don't know any other way than putting the PCB into an oven or heating it from below
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> but I was meaning soldering iron
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> you need four blobs on that IC - and they are all in a line
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea I understood that
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> but I meant the bigger chips
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> that you usually see
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[19:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/lm15851#diagrams shiny
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> If only it wasn't _quite_ so spendy
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:49] <Hoolootwo> for the burst calculator on habhub, is the ascent rate the ascent rate at ground level?
[19:50] <Upu> ground level it works back from that
[19:51] <Hoolootwo> okay thanks
[19:53] <Laurenceb__> nice sampler
[19:54] <Laurenceb__> just need a processor that can eat the output...
[19:55] <Reb-SM0ULC> AETH floating at 23k, pretty high up
[20:02] <PE2G> I lost Edupic at -0.4 deg, 352 km
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[20:03] <jededu> Battery is dropping fast
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[20:10] <PE2G> jededu: I didn't really notice that in the signal strength, it was just gradually disappearing below the horizon
[20:12] Nick change: Chetic_ -> Chetic
[20:13] <jededu> Thx PE2G
[20:14] <jededu> It drops out at .8v
[20:15] <PE2G> MH claerly hasn't any problem yet receiving it just above the horizon
[20:15] <PE2G> *clearly
[20:17] <jededu> Are any of the other receivers on here
[20:18] <PE2G> MH isn't, but I can try to contact him
[20:18] <SA6BSS-Mike> yeah, it will be at 0deg in a couple of hours, will be lucky if I can decode any
[20:19] <SA6BSS-Mike> signal
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[20:20] <jededu> It will go to 10 min transmissions at 21:00 just wanted to notify them
[20:20] <SA6BSS-Mike> ok
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[20:22] <PE2G> OK. MH will be far out of range by then
[20:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> SA6BSS-Mike: godkväll
[20:29] <SA6BSS-Mike> tjena
[20:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> varit uppe på taket o kopplat in yagin, snorhalt !
[20:38] <SA6BSS-Mike> !dial EDUPIC10
[20:38] <SpacenearUS> 03SA6BSS-Mike: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11): none
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[20:51] <jededu> !flights
[20:51] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Current flights: 03EDUPIC10 10(9f11), 03G-07 10(2530), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[20:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KK6QVY-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KK6QVY-1
[20:55] <Laurenceb__> no AETH ?
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[21:08] <jcoxon> 14 mins since last beacon
[21:08] <jededu> It should have changed to 10 min cycles
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[21:09] <jededu> Hope they are still listening
[21:18] <HF_ATL> everybody here used habduino or pits in the balloon to get rea time tracker? or any other similar alternatives?
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> There are many alternatives.
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> Rolling your own is a nice simple microcontroller project
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> though people have used Beaglebone Blacks, Pis, and I think even PC/104 systems
[21:21] <Upu> HF_ATL yeah many people on here "roll their own"
[21:21] <HF_ATL> i'd be interested in a customized one but unfortunately i dont have much time for hw and sw debugging...so would prefer a almost ready solution
[21:21] <jededu> I think its most likley that we lost the trackers :/
[21:21] <Upu> in that case either of those are amazing and the person who makes the is literally awesome
[21:21] <Upu> s/the/them
[21:22] <jededu> But x-f may pick it up tomorrow
[21:22] <HF_ATL> as I have read the abduino dont record the parameters in sd card out of the box, right?
[21:23] <jcoxon> Upu, i heard similar
[21:23] <jcoxon> jededu, perhaps there is more drift due to the longer gaps
[21:23] <Upu> Say it in a Chris Traeger voice
[21:23] <jcoxon> so the stations that aren't manned will have lost the AFC
[21:23] Action: jcoxon i speak from experience
[21:24] <jededu> jcoxon you should still be able to get the second string its identical
[21:24] <jededu> Ahh i see
[21:25] <jededu> Makes sense
[21:26] <jcoxon> jededu, just need to kick one of them to retune perhaps
[21:27] <jededu> mmmwhich one :)
[21:27] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:27] <jededu> OZ1SKY is usually here :/
[21:27] <jcoxon> sadly none are on here currently
[21:28] <jededu> I know
[21:28] <jcoxon> oz1sky is usually very responsive
[21:28] <Upu> Probably frozen up
[21:29] <jcoxon> jededu, do you have his email address?
[21:29] <Upu> brave man launching picos in winter
[21:29] <Upu> I have it
[21:29] <Upu> I mailed him,
[21:30] <jcoxon> jededu, there are some finnish global tuners which might be of use at some point
[21:30] <jededu> It happened bang on switch over time
[21:30] <jededu> Thx jcoxon, upu
[21:31] <jcoxon> jededu, np, i enjoy your flights a lot
[21:31] <jcoxon> jededu, also it might be worth asking hte mailing list and therefore recruiting some northern poland listeners
[21:31] <jcoxon> there are usually loads
[21:31] <jededu> Will do
[21:32] <mclane_> my new raspi a+ tracker: http://www.pirnay.com/images/RasPiPlus/SDC10186mod3.png
[21:32] <mclane_> test flight planned in Feb. 2015
[21:33] <Upu> nice mclane
[21:33] <jcoxon> mclane_, looks good
[21:33] <Upu> whats the crystal for ?
[21:33] <jededu> Nice
[21:33] <mclane_> clock for the uart chip
[21:33] <Upu> ok cool
[21:33] <Upu> did you use my outlines btw ?
[21:34] <mclane_> yes ;-)
[21:34] <mclane_> thanks
[21:34] <Upu> thought so :)
[21:34] <Upu> no problems
[21:34] <Upu> great that people are making use of them
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[21:38] <jcoxon> jededu, ^
[21:38] <jcoxon> night all
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[21:40] <Upu> Brian is coming too
[21:40] <Upu> but he was tracking it anyway
[21:42] <jededu> Here
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[21:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[21:44] <jededu> Hi
[21:44] <Upu> hey Brian
[21:44] <Upu> sorry I didn't realise you were already tracking
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[21:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah no problem, yes its not tx´ing anymore
[21:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its just stopped
[21:45] <Upu> there you go jededu
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[21:45] <jededu> Very odd maybe it froze as upu said thx Brian
[21:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes maybe or the batt ran low, 1.07v?
[21:47] <jededu> It should be good down to 0.8 ish
[21:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i see. well i still have the rx on, but havent heard anything since the last packet
[21:48] <jededu> But it was very cold it should do something at 07:00 but will be out of range by then thx again Brian
[21:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your welcome. what happend to g-07 btw?
[21:49] <jededu> Couldnt decode it in the end it wasnt parsing
[21:50] <jededu> It was producing some very odd data
[21:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok, it had a good path over here
[21:51] <SA6BSS-Mike> some gps error, clock worked, but got strange gps koordinates, all other parameter was stuck, keeped om tx ing tho
[21:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> last packet $$EDUPIC10,388,20:51:04,5446.40487,01134.83874,09,7784.6,-42,1.07*8568
[21:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tjena mike
[21:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> then they got like this $$$$$G-07,1780,20:31:28,251.966522,-2962.315430,131214,21,1.310,1.313,76,1*8829
[21:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> hallå
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[21:56] <jededu> Thought it might have started again on the hour
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi Brian
[21:58] <x-f> i posted a message on our forum, hopefully tomorrow morning somebody will hear it if it comes back
[21:58] <jededu> Ok thx x-f
[21:59] <x-f> gn
[21:59] <jededu> The last chance this time will be at 1h10m
[21:59] <jededu> gn
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi x-f
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[22:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi lunar.
[22:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok im off to bed now. gn all
[22:07] <jededu> gn
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[22:09] <SA6BSS-Mike> I will listen out for it tomorrow morning, it will be 8 local time, but is then probaly out of my range
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[22:40] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: No contact from 03jcoxon
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