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[00:02] <G0WXI> Hi, I've just submitted a flight doc for a pico launch tomorrow afternoon, is anyone about who could approve it please, flight is G-07 doc ID c74f946f61b0b0d38a176f9e14222530 - Thanks
[00:02] <lz1dev> G0WXI: ask in #habhub
[00:02] <Darkside> hold on
[00:02] <Darkside> G0WXI: done
[00:03] <Darkside> but yes, ask in #habhub next time
[00:04] <G0WXI> Thanks for quick response, noted on #habhub
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[00:27] <amell_> if youre launching tomorrow, its going to disappear to the netherlands pretty quickly.
[00:28] <amell_> looks like a very fast north sea crossing :)
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[00:30] <HF_ATL> hello ppl
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[00:42] <SpeedEvil> Hello
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[04:58] <madist> does oxidation on the antenna surface affect the signal strength of a gps receiver ? I have a gps that was reporting a strong signal weeks ago but the reported strenght has been falling steadily since and its quite a bit less now.
[04:58] <madist> the only thing I can think of that has changed over that period is there is oxidation on the surface (copper) of my antenna.
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[05:51] <Darkside> madist: unlikely
[05:52] <madist> hmm
[05:52] <madist> I'm out of ideas
[06:52] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03M0RPI-11 after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=M0RPI-11
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[08:19] <edusupport> !flights
[08:19] <SpacenearUS> 03edusupport: Current flights: 03G-07 10(2530), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
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[08:35] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC10 after 035 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC10
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[09:44] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03SP5NVX after 034 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
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[09:51] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5NVX - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5NVX
[09:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC10 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC10
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[10:11] <fsphil> madist: could be in a connector rather than the antenna
[10:11] <madist> no connectors, its all soldered.
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[10:16] <jededu> !payload G-07
[10:16] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: Payload 03G-07 10(2530) 03$$G-07 - 03Primary - 03434.51 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/470Hz ASCII-7 none 2
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[10:22] <amell_> !ping g-07
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03amell_: No contact from 03g-07
[10:23] <amell_> is there a launch time?
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[10:33] <g0hww> i only ever seem to get the habhub mobile tracker page on spacenear.us now. how can i get the old one?
[10:36] <pc1pcl-qrl> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php I think
[10:36] <pc1pcl-qrl> although that may be an 'older' one even.
[10:36] <jededu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php?filter=!B-*
[10:37] <mfa298> there's also http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php which I think it the newer of the old versions
[10:37] <jededu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php
[10:38] <g0hww> yeah, i don't think i've seen that one before
[10:38] <g0hww> thanks though
[10:38] <mfa298> but the mobile tracker has effectivley taken over as it solves various issues with the old one
[10:39] <g0hww> i guess I just don't like the way it looks :P
[10:39] <mfa298> If there's missing stuff on the new tracker there's an issue tracker to add things to at https://github.com/rossengeorgiev/habitat-mobile-tracker/issues
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[10:52] <ibanezmatt13> morning
[10:52] <mikestir> morning
[10:52] <SpeedEvil> Quack.
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[10:55] <mikestir> mfa298: you mentioned ruby last night. what are your thoughts on it? I could really do with putting together a front end for a fairly large database in work and I've been looking at options
[10:56] <mikestir> I'd quite like to do it in something like python or maybe ruby, but the more I look at toolkits and their associated learning curves the more I think it would just be easier to lash something up in php
[10:57] <mfa298> I'm half liking it.
[10:58] <mfa298> for web applications you've got the like of rails and symphony that both seem quite popular.
[10:58] <mfa298> although the way of working in it is a bit of a change from my previous C/C++ working.
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[10:59] <mikestir> yeah it's rails that seems to fit the bill. my main requirement is to get something working as quickly as possible, since it's just a tool
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[10:59] <mfa298> I've not really played with that aspect of it yet, although I'd quite like to have a go at something in rails.
[11:00] <mikestir> I'll probably have a look at it over christmas
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[11:03] <amell_> currently 3d printing a case for my raspi camera :)
[11:03] <amell_> anyone need some 3d printing done?
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[11:04] <SpeedEvil> amell_: Can you do 6m*5m*20cm stuff ?
[11:04] <arjunnaha> can anyone recommended a reliable place to buy a diamond x50 antenna from/
[11:04] Action: SpeedEvil wants a big printer.
[11:05] <Upu> radioworld.co.uk / http://www.hamradio.co.uk etc
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> amell_: I'm surprised there aren't more budget 3d printy services
[11:06] <arjunnaha> will this one - http://www.hamradio.co.uk/aerials-antenna-manufacturers-diamond-antennas/diamond/diamond-x-50n-pd-2604.php - be all right
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> I mean - people buying a cheapish 3d printer, and running it 12 hours a day thowing stuff into bubblewrap envelopes for a fiver a time
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[11:08] <amell_> i can do 20x20x20cm
[11:08] <SpeedEvil> Gah.
[11:09] <amell_> 12 hours a day for fiver a time doesnt sound like a viable business to me.
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> Why do sane vendors of the stuff I want have to be the other end of the country
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.uk-timber.co.uk/c16-treated-carcassing-timber-timber-c-99.html
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> yes, lots of reasonably cheap timber, which they will deliver for the bargain price of 165 quid
[11:09] <SpeedEvil> amell_: not if you're sitting watching the printer, no
[11:16] <arjunnaha> Can any recommend a good chase car antenna?
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[11:17] <Upu> Diamond MR-77S
[11:18] <Darkside> cross dipole with inbuilt preamp :-)
[11:18] <Darkside> (though you'd have to build it yourself)
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[11:26] <arjunnaha> do i need a preamp?
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[11:28] <mfa298> arjunnaha: depends a bit on what receiver you're using and the complete system
[11:28] <mfa298> with the rtlsdr dongles then a habamp is worth it (and ideally as close to the antenna as possible)
[11:29] <arjunnaha> say i was using this - http://www.radioworld.co.uk/mr-77s_sma_diamond_2m_70cm_70w_50cm_long_black_metal_whip_magmount_4?query=Diamond%20MR-77S - with a fun cube dongle?
[11:29] <mfa298> a good preamp at the antenna can potentially make up for cheaper coax as well (but only if the amp is at the antenna)
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[11:30] <mfa298> for a chase car with than and a funcube Pro+ a preamp might not give you much benefit.
[11:31] <mfa298> with the older funcubes a pre-amp / filter might help
[11:31] <arjunnaha> okay thanks mfa298
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[11:36] <mfa298> a preamp might help if it's a very weak signal but most of the time I don't think you'd need one in a chase car as long as you're close behind the balloon as it comes down (getting positions when it's close to landing will probably be of more use)
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[11:47] <daveake> I wouldn't nother with an amp in the chase car.
[11:48] <daveake> As mfa298 says the signal will be strong enough when it's in the air. Take a yagi for when it lands, ten you can DF if needed
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[13:16] <paul_HABnoob> hey guys, are there other options for dl-fldigi apart from pulseaudio or cabling (on Linux)?
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[13:21] <mfa298> I think someone did a patch for dl-fldigi to do audio via a fifo, but I'm not sure if that's around anywhere or how well it worked
[13:26] <paul_HABnoob> ah ok. cant get pulseaudio to appear as a port in fldigi... sigh here we go again.
[13:28] <mfa298> if you compiled from source you might need to ensure you have the required dev libraries installed first
[13:29] <paul_HABnoob> brilliant - thanks :)
[13:36] <paul_HABnoob> libpulse-dev fixed it! thanks :-)
[13:36] <mfa298> when you run ./configure it should tell you at the bottom what it was able to enable. if something you want isn't in that list you'll need to install the library and dev bits for that library and then try again.
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[13:49] <jededu> Can somone approve this flightdoc please c74f946f61b0b0d38a176f9e146c9f11
[13:50] <paul_HABnoob> Do I have to have the machine unmuted in order to use pulseaudio for routing? (seems its running all the way out to the speaker and back in again)...
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[14:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/31-in-1-anti-drop-high-altitude-professional-screwdriver-set-orange-black-silver-365525
[14:12] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00I8MYMT2/ref=pd_luc_rh_sbs_01_04_t_lh?ie=UTF8&psc=1 rather cooler though
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[14:22] <paul_HABnoob> in response to my own question: Looks like port-audio and jack might be the way to go...
[14:25] <db_g6gzh> paul_HABnoob: I can listen to music on the speakers while feeding line in to dl-fldigi using pulseadio so I'd have thought it would also do what you want
[14:25] <db_g6gzh> have you had a poke around in pavucontrol ?
[14:27] <paul_HABnoob> yup couldnt see a way to do it - no biggy...
[14:28] <db_g6gzh> OK, I can't remember exactly how I set it up ...
[14:29] <paul_HABnoob> its ok got it building with portaudio now :)
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-8 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KD4STH-8
[14:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD4STH-7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KD4STH-7
[14:39] <paul_HABnoob> Nice - got it working. didnt need port audio at all. Simply loaded the null output module for pulseaudio and routed via that :-)
[14:45] <lz1dev> Upu: http://nearsys.com/catalog/balloonsat/mini.htm
[14:46] <lz1dev> :)
[14:46] <Upu> jesus
[14:46] <Upu> I haz competition
[14:46] <lz1dev> http://nearsys.com/catalog/nearspace/ultralight.htm
[14:46] <lz1dev> and when one serial port is not enough
[14:46] <lz1dev> you put more
[14:47] <Upu> ffs lz1dev don't post that when I have a mouth full of coffee
[14:47] <Upu> I nearly made a mess of my monitors
[14:47] <Upu> those DB9 sockets probably weigh more than mine, Leo's or jededu's entire payloads
[14:47] <lz1dev> thats the ultralight model
[14:47] <lz1dev> you know nothing
[14:48] <lz1dev> 500mW tansmitter
[14:49] <jededu> ping upu
[14:49] <Upu> hey jededu
[14:50] <jededu> Could you approve my flight for tomorrow plz
[14:50] <Upu> done good luck
[14:50] <jededu> Thx
[14:55] <lz1dev> Upu: http://nearsys.com/catalog/nearspace/tvc.htm
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[14:55] <Upu> wow
[14:55] <Upu> Arko made one of those
[15:00] Action: daveake catches up
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[15:00] <daveake> Did I miss a change in the definition of "Ultra Light" >
[15:00] <daveake> ?
[15:00] <lz1dev> get with the times
[15:00] <daveake> And BASIC
[15:01] <daveake> GOTO is the point of no return
[15:01] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: :)
[15:01] <lz1dev> most languages don't even support GOTO
[15:02] <jededu> Never use GOTO :)
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[15:03] <Reb-SM0ULC> GOTO are for italians
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[15:06] <paul_HABnoob> dl-fldigi is so cool, are there any other recordings that I can download and test against? (The icarus example is working :-) )
[15:06] <mfa298> lz1dev: a lot of languages do have goto or something very similar, it's just that it should be very rarely used (rather than a core of the language like in BASIC)
[15:07] <jededu> No sign of G-07
[15:08] <mfa298> heh, the php docs actually do something good for once. http://php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php
[15:08] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: seen the guys from Sandviken/Sweden around here?
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[15:09] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: they bought a rpi fmor you?
[15:10] <daveake> Dunno; Upu deals with sales. I just deal with confused people.
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[15:11] <Upu> Upu mainly
[15:11] <SpeedEvil> We're all really Upu. This confuses him.
[15:11] <Reb-SM0ULC> daveake: :)
[15:12] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03G-07 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=G-07
[15:13] <daveake> I have had a bit of "do I need to press ENTER after each line?" lately
[15:14] <daveake> Which makes me sad
[15:15] <lz1dev> what
[15:15] <daveake> I confess that this tripped my politeness circuits
[15:16] <daveake> Sarcasm kicked in
[15:17] <lz1dev> classic defensive mechanism
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[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:17] <edmoore> i have replaced my politeness circuits with an M4 bolt
[15:17] <edmoore> it fits in the holder
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> M1A1 bolts work even better for users.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> technically APFSDS not bolts.
[15:21] <lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/4pRC6gE.jpg
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[15:30] <paul_HABnoob> whats the big dark blue circle on habitat when looking at G-07?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> Horizon
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> green is 5 degree elevation
[15:30] <paul_HABnoob> got it thanks!
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> That is - the ring at which the balloon appears 5 degrees over the horizon
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> (of a 0m reference elipsoid)
[15:31] <paul_HABnoob> ok - so its a ready indicator as to it's visibility...
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> yes
[15:31] <paul_HABnoob> Cool :)
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> If you're outside the blue, you almost never hear it
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're on a big hill
[15:32] <paul_HABnoob> When my funcube dongle turns up, i'll give it a shot! :)
[15:32] <paul_HABnoob> well once I've worked an aerial out.
[15:35] <mfa298> if you've got a decent location you can do reasonably well with a fairly basic antenna, I normally use something similar to the payload antenna stuck out the window of the flat - 6th floor does help with the location though)
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[15:36] <paul_HABnoob> cool - so I could just make the payload aerial and give it a shot. nice!
[15:36] <paul_HABnoob> So how do I get a call-sign for habitat?
[15:36] <paul_HABnoob> or do i even need one?
[15:36] <mfa298> just put something suitable into the callsign box on dl-fldigi
[15:36] <paul_HABnoob> ok cool.
[15:37] <mfa298> most licensed people use their callsign, others often something similar to their irc nick
[15:37] <paul_HABnoob> ok cool done :)
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[15:38] <mfa298> you'll also need to set your location in the dl- tab with lat/ long/ alt
[15:39] <mfa298> with those all done you should appear on the map
[15:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD5GOM-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KD5GOM-11
[15:41] <paul_HABnoob> ok - wont do that as I am running a recording through fldigi...
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[15:44] <Reb-SM0ULC> wow, a lot of HAB popping up, KD4*
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[15:50] <meow> is there any way of getting rid of the SPAM at the right of the mobile tracker window?
[15:50] <edmoore> click top left button
[15:51] <Reb-SM0ULC> Any rumors about more B's from Leo?
[15:52] <meow> thanks SM0ULC, it worked!
[15:53] <meow> sorry edmoore
[15:53] Nick change: meow -> OZ1LRG
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[16:18] <jededu> G-07 seems to have some problems
[16:20] <jededu> $$$$$G-07,420,16:19:54,252.815338,-2960.521973,131214,18,1.358,1.174,76,1*DC91
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJhhUHDtQk
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> My Ultralight flight with no training
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[16:25] <jededu> NO GPS SIG - Sats in View = 16 - Batt Volts = 1.358V - Loop Volts = 1.177V - Xtal trim = 76
[16:27] <MaXimaN> That's quite... verbose
[16:27] <MaXimaN> And drifty
[16:28] <jededu> Good signal
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[16:31] <MaXimaN> 20 sats in view?
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[16:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KD9AUK-4 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KD9AUK-4
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[16:50] <paul_HABnoob> thats crazy
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[17:15] <Graham_g3vzv> still a good signal in Woburn Sands but no gps
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[17:22] <jededu> $$$$$G-07,634,17:21:47,52.105171,-0.047006,4182,7,1.316,1.487,76,1*DF85
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[17:28] <g0hww> whats the freq for G-07 please?
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[17:28] <db_g6gzh> !dial G-07
[17:28] <SpacenearUS> 03db_g6gzh: Latest dials for 03G-07 10(2530): 03434.50984 MHz, 434.509921 MHz, 434.5093 MHz, 434.5098 MHz
[17:28] <g0hww> cheers
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[17:31] <db_g6gzh> an impressive number of helpful values for once 8-)
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> "The adobe flash updater is downloading mcafee security scan plus..."
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> NONONONO
[17:33] Action: chrisstubbs unplugs network cable
[17:34] <db_g6gzh> it's bad enough that it downloads adobe flash
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[18:24] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LIG-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KC9LIG-11
[18:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KC9LHW-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KC9LHW-11
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[19:21] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03WB8ELK-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=WB8ELK-1
[19:22] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03KJ4TDM-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=KJ4TDM-1
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[19:26] <Graham_g3vzv> G-07 almost in the noise at Milton Keynes
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[19:32] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03N4XWC-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=N4XWC-1
[19:41] <jededu> Shame we can,t locate G-07
[19:41] <jededu> Just about to lose ti
[19:41] <jededu> \it
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[19:50] <PE2BZ> Hi! Currently tracking the G-07 with a fresh installed dl-fldigi in HAB mode. Online is on, location and callsign is entered, green reads and Uploaded payload_telemetry succesfully but I seem not to appear on the map. Did I forget some setting ?
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[19:52] <lz1dev> PE2BZ: sounds good, whats the callsign you entered?
[19:52] <PE2BZ> PE2BZ
[19:53] <PE2BZ> lz1dev Now I notice the habmap is not showing actual data... It's 18:17 latest signal
[19:53] <lz1dev> because the payload is not parsing
[19:54] <lz1dev> because its reporting latitude outside -90 - 90 degree range
[19:55] Action: SpeedEvil curses the soulless minions of topographic orthodoxy.
[19:56] <PE2BZ> lz1dev does that mean that for the next 1/4 of the planet the GPS location will be "wrong" ?
[19:56] <lz1dev> no idea, currently looking as to why is that
[19:58] <jededu> It has parsed correctly a few times $$$$$G-07,634,17:21:47,52.105171,-0.047006,4182,7,1.316,1.487,76,1*DF85
[20:03] <lz1dev> jededu: '$$G-07,1589,19:59:10,251.989853,-2962.000000,131214,21,1.306,1.361,76,1*4366\n'
[20:03] <lz1dev> your latitude minutes are above >=60
[20:03] <lz1dev> ----------------------------------------------^
[20:06] <PE2BZ> Now, if there was a way for reverse calculation of the actual position....
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[20:16] <PE2BZ> lz1dev any chance you know what GPS module is in the payload? Would it be possible that is (has been) switching it's output mode ?
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[20:26] <mattbrejza> why are you converting the position in the first place?
[20:27] <mattbrejza> just strcopy uart in to rtty out
[20:28] <lz1dev> apperantly its not ddmm.mm
[20:28] <lz1dev> my bad
[20:28] <lz1dev> 1307 '$$G-07,997,18:17:35,52.053364,0.410138,4158,9,1.323,1.439,76,1*93A1\n'
[20:28] <lz1dev> 1308 '$$G-07,998,18:17:44,252.719849,-2960.411621,131214,20,1.316,1.439,76,1*35BD\n'
[20:28] <lz1dev> it went from ok, to what looks like borken
[20:28] <lz1dev> lat lon and altitude are completely wrong
[20:28] <mattbrejza> the ublox does a thing where it outputs crap if it has no lock
[20:29] <pc1pcl> Yeah, current incoming strings just look strange. Pity as the signal itself seems strong and stable.
[20:29] <jededu> It was ok intermittently for about 30 mins
[20:30] <mattbrejza> oh this is a balloon in the air, perhaps a bit too late to suggest debugging techniques
[20:30] <pc1pcl> would be interesting to look at the code for these, mayb ethe mangling is reversible.
[20:30] <mattbrejza> is one of those fields 'sat count'?
[20:31] <jededu> Yes
[20:31] <mattbrejza> 20 sats?
[20:31] <pc1pcl> lol at merry christmas
[20:31] <mattbrejza> is it in gps+glonass mode?
[20:32] <pc1pcl> 316,76,1*6636
[20:32] <pc1pcl> ****** MERRY CHRISTMAS ******
[20:32] <pc1pcl> $$$$$G-07,1780,20:31:28,251.966522,-2962.315430,131214,21,1.310,1.313,76,1*8829
[20:32] <mattbrejza> odd it jumped from 9 to 20 sats
[20:32] <pc1pcl> $$$$$G-07,1781,20:31:38,251.966461,-2962.316895,131214,20,1.300,1.316,76,1*6EB2
[20:32] <jededu> No idea !!
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Blame russia!
[20:32] <mattbrejza> is in in glonass mode though? didnt you disable it previously?
[20:33] <lz1dev> all position parameters are broken
[20:34] <lz1dev> $$$$$G-07,1781,20:31:38,251.966461,-2962.316895,131214,20,1.300,1.316,76,1*6EB2
[20:34] <jededu> I think <G0WXI> launched it
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[20:34] <lz1dev> lat ---^ lon --- ^ alt ---^
[20:34] <mattbrejza> oh im completely out of it today :P
[20:34] <mattbrejza> gj lz1dev
[20:35] <lz1dev> its been reporting that broken altitude for the last 2+ hours
[20:35] <lz1dev> and its the same
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[20:55] <pc1pcl> hmm signal suddenly seems more wobbly..
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> burst?
[21:00] <pc1pcl> Could be, but it doesn't look that severe, maybe more like some voltage is getting critical. Of course hard to say what is going on without knowing much about the payload.
[21:02] <pc1pcl> Still getting great reception, only reds coming from occasional QRM. a pity about the duff coordinates.
[21:05] <pc1pcl> Guess I'll just leave this running in case something sane comes out again eventually while it's still in range..
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[21:06] <Munrek> !ping B-64
[21:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Munrek: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0320 days ago
[21:07] <Munrek> ok, RIP.
[21:09] <arko> its gone man
[21:09] <arko> its gone
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[21:12] <day> its circling mars now.
[21:13] <day> tired of earth
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:14] <daveake> last seen bouncing off a comet
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[21:19] <arko> haha
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[21:33] <amell_> !ping b-64
[21:33] <SpacenearUS> 03amell_: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0320 days ago
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[22:03] Action: mfa298 wonders who (and when) the last !ping B-64 will be.
[22:06] <Laurenceb__> maybe it will wake up next year
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> satellites often wake up after totally trashing their battery
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> theres no sign of significant icing, UV damage or gas loss
[22:08] <Laurenceb__> i managed to get enough NOAA pressure data to solve for envelope pressure over the whole flight
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[22:08] <Laurenceb__> nice consistent 4 to 5C heating during the day, suggesting little yellowing
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[22:12] <Laurenceb__> its all a little perplexing
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> as according to GHOST data it should have flown past 80 days
[22:12] <Laurenceb__> im wondering if the envelope shape helped it shed ice
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[22:18] <HF_ATL> anyone with experience with the spherachutes?
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[22:18] <daveake> yes
[22:19] <HF_ATL> are they good or better go with other brand?
[22:19] <daveake> not used any others
[22:20] <HF_ATL> easy to attach to balloon and payload? guess it came with a ring?
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[22:24] <daveake> http://spherachutes.com/images/IMG_1677b500.jpg
[22:26] <HF_ATL> thank you
[22:27] <HF_ATL> I assume that in most cases the parachute can be re-usable right?
[22:30] <daveake> So long as you get it back
[22:30] <daveake> I left one up a tree once when I found that the chute and the tree were stronger than Upu and I together
[22:32] <HF_ATL> ahah... good one :)
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[23:55] <Tjalling_PE1RQM> All green for G-07 and no update on server ?
[23:55] <lz1dev> Tjalling_PE1RQM: it's sending broken packets
[23:56] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[23:57] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
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