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[00:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STBUG1-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STBUG1-1
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[02:42] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[02:42] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[08:29] <henryplumb> Morning
[08:33] <fsphil> morn!
[08:33] <henryplumb> Model A+ Pi arrived yesterday :)
[08:36] <fsphil> nice
[08:36] <fsphil> they're tiny little things
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[09:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03PI_SKY_PLUS after 0313 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY_PLUS
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[09:14] <DL7AD> hi fsphil
[09:14] <fsphil> howdy
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[10:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=default_chase
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[10:54] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[10:55] <craag> morning
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[11:42] <henryplumb> Hi all
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[12:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/astro-pi/
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[13:03] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03STBUG1-1 after 039 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STBUG1-1
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[14:58] <HF_ATL> hello all
[14:59] <Reb-SM0ULC> hello
[14:59] <Upu> hi there
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[15:03] <HF_ATL> I've just replied to you (Upu)
[15:04] <Upu> João
[15:04] <Upu> ?
[15:04] <HF_ATL> yes João Fonseca
[15:04] <Upu> ah welcome aboard
[15:04] <HF_ATL> from Portugal btw
[15:04] <Upu> yeah just reading
[15:04] <Upu> Well
[15:04] <Upu> we do have some recieving stations in Spain
[15:04] <Upu> though in fairness its a little dead out there
[15:05] <Upu> PITS should have APRS ability soon
[15:05] <Upu> we need to test it
[15:05] <Upu> which is an issue as we aren't permitted to fly it
[15:05] <Upu> when were you planning on flying ?
[15:06] <HF_ATL> well at least using the spain facilities I may have info when balloon is at high altitudes
[15:06] <Upu> You're one step ahead being a HAM as you probably have access to some decent recievers
[15:06] <HF_ATL> good backup indeed
[15:06] <Upu> M0UPU de 73 or whatever :)
[15:06] <HF_ATL> no dates at the moment, just learn, research....
[15:06] <Upu> ok good plan
[15:07] <Upu> well the APRS for the Pi should be availble late jan
[15:07] <Upu> daveake has working code for it I believe
[15:07] <HF_ATL> I'm developing a matlab program to give all parameters
[15:07] <HF_ATL> it is decoding the noaa info and compute all the values
[15:07] <HF_ATL> is still in progress but is working good I believe
[15:08] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/JTU7v64.jpg Pi A+ -> PITS and ontop an unpopulated board for the HX1
[15:08] <Upu> you know we have a predictor ?
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[15:08] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/
[15:08] <Upu> runs from NOAA data
[15:08] <Upu> also I can set you up an hourly one
[15:08] <HF_ATL> thanks for the picture and the dates
[15:09] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/cambridge/
[15:09] <HF_ATL> I'll not fly before jan for sure
[15:09] <Upu> as an example (clue scroll out its windy)
[15:09] <HF_ATL> so no problem
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[15:10] <HF_ATL> well did not know that feature you have
[15:10] <Upu> important thing is you've found here
[15:10] <HF_ATL> awesome really
[15:10] <Upu> which is the best resource for doing what you're doing
[15:10] <HF_ATL> it covers all europe in terms of wind, pressure, etc at a 1h update rate?
[15:10] <Upu> global
[15:10] <Upu> based on NOAA data
[15:11] <Upu> combine with this http://habhub.org/calc/
[15:12] <HF_ATL> so is updated at the noaa update interval right?
[15:12] <Upu> yeah 6 hours
[15:12] <Upu> our servers download the entire dataset every 6 hours
[15:12] <Upu> ~27Gb each time uncompressed I believe
[15:12] <HF_ATL> also no way of getting ECMWF data? I've read that it is much more regularly updated with many altitude steps covered
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[15:14] <Upu> not come across that might be worth asking the habhub team
[15:14] <HF_ATL> just a note, do not know if the calculator take into consideration different values of Cd according to the reynolds number. I do that in my program and ascent rate change a bit
[15:15] <Upu> click advanced
[15:15] <HF_ATL> the famous "drag crisis"
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[15:15] <HF_ATL> yes but still Cd is considered a constant
[15:15] <HF_ATL> true is that Cd is not a constant
[15:16] <Upu> I think so but again the Habhub team may be able to answer better
[15:16] <HF_ATL> thank you
[15:17] <HF_ATL> also regarding SSDV, is it possible to have real-time data and images from the balloon at which rate using the PI shield?
[15:17] <Upu> worth being on here when there is a launch going on
[15:18] <Upu> yes
[15:18] <Upu> 300baud
[15:18] <Upu> well 600 if you want
[15:18] <HF_ATL> in this case baud is considered to be a bit or what symbol?
[15:18] <Upu> but I wouldn't go over 300
[15:19] <Upu> symbol rate
[15:19] <HF_ATL> and each symbol is considered for a single parameter?
[15:19] <Upu> it uses RTTY 8bits
[15:20] <HF_ATL> ah ok
[15:21] <Upu> !wiki ntx2b
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No results for your query
[15:21] <Upu> !wiki ntx2
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03linkingarduinotontx2 (guides) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[15:21] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Wiki page 03ntx2 (guides:radio_modules) - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:radio_modules:ntx2
[15:21] <Upu> have a look at the top one
[15:21] <Upu> should give you some ideas how we do it
[15:21] <Upu> its pretty simple
[15:22] <HF_ATL> will have a look
[15:22] <HF_ATL> what do you generally advise to buy? the shield for the PI or arduino?
[15:23] <Upu> well entirely depends what you want to do
[15:23] <Upu> or make your own
[15:23] <Upu> those are "off the shelf"
[15:23] <Upu> but you can easily make your own if you fancy it
[15:23] <HF_ATL> you mean develop a single PCB with the GPS and tx embedded ?
[15:23] <Upu> or make your own and use one of those as a known backup
[15:24] <Upu> yep
[15:24] <Upu> known working
[15:24] <HF_ATL> the problem is that is some time consuming and I won't find the time to that unfortunately
[15:24] <Upu> no problems
[15:25] <HF_ATL> I really prefer to buy the solutions you've made
[15:25] <HF_ATL> the shields directly assembled and ready to attach to the arduino or pi
[15:25] <HF_ATL> and moreover supporting the community
[15:26] <Upu> well you seem to be doing the research
[15:26] <Upu> which is great
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[15:26] <HF_ATL> when I find some time I just read what I can because I know that every bit may lead to a different ending of the balloon launch story
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[15:28] <craag> There's plenty of blog posts and writeups out there, it's good to find out what hasn't worked for people so you can avoid it :)
[15:29] <HF_ATL> why the habitat tracker update rate is "slow"? Is it normal? I'd expect like 5s update rate?
[15:29] <HF_ATL> thank you craag
[15:29] <craag> We (in the uk) can only use 10mW tx, which means using a very low datarate (often 50 baud).
[15:30] <craag> That means that single packet with gps,sensors,etc takes about 12-15s to send.
[15:31] <HF_ATL> so you are integrating many information I suppose?
[15:31] <craag> Well you don't need much information, a location every few minutes combined with the live predictor would be easily enough to recover it I reckon
[15:32] <Upu> slower rate means easier DFing on the ground too
[15:32] <HF_ATL> yes
[15:32] <craag> You can always store more frequent info on the sdcard and receover after.
[15:32] <HF_ATL> but why don't use a higher baud rate in your case craag?
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[15:32] <HF_ATL> ah ok got it
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[15:33] <HF_ATL> and you use the pi or arduino?
[15:33] <craag> I've used both - pi for ssdv
[15:34] <HF_ATL> with the pi the added easy camera support seems like a bonus
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[15:34] <HF_ATL> and any tips you can share regarding the differences you real feel using one or another=?
[15:35] <Upu> the embedded trackers i.e ones based on AVR's/PICs etc
[15:35] <Upu> tend to be a little more robust
[15:35] <pc1pcl-qrl_> From what I gathered with Pi 'real-time' timing is harder but you have the camera.
[15:35] <craag> and lower power usage
[15:36] <pc1pcl-qrl_> Arduino, esp. if stripped to just the SOC seems lower power and more robust, lighter, low power, etc.
[15:36] <Upu> yeah
[15:36] <Upu> Pi tracker from 4 x AA lasts ~ 22 hours
[15:36] <Upu> Uno based that would be 48 hours
[15:36] <Upu> and one of the "pico trackers"based around AVR's or PIC could do something insane from 4 x AA
[15:36] <HF_ATL> but I believe also a camera can be connected to the arduino and have something like ssdv?
[15:37] <Upu> 300 hours probably
[15:38] <Upu> yes it can
[15:38] <Upu> but you generally need a Mega
[15:38] <Upu> as they are serial cameras
[15:38] <Upu> fsphil did it on a 328 I believe
[15:38] <HF_ATL> by "real-time" timing do you mean the lag?
[15:38] <pc1pcl-qrl_> there are serial cameras that you could probably deal with via arduino. If you don't need a live feed, it's probably easy to rig a gpio up to the shuttercontrol.
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[15:39] <HF_ATL> yes using a regular compact camera very cheap nowadays
[15:39] <pc1pcl-qrl_> real-time timing as in exactly controlling when a pin goes up or down, e.g. for getting the length of a bit correct when doing that in software.
[15:39] <Upu> or just use a canon and run chdk
[15:39] <Upu> we have to use the UART on the Pi to get accurate timing for RTTY
[15:40] <HF_ATL> the idea is to have a live videolink because I have already a hd camera for recording in sd card to view after the landing
[15:41] <fsphil> ssdv can be done on an arduino, though the cameras are often not great
[15:42] <HF_ATL> so seems that every solution has their drawbacks as expected
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[15:42] <Upu> fsphil is the author of the SSDV code
[15:42] <lz1dev> btw http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433
[15:43] <Upu> that looks remarkably like something I've seen before
[15:43] <pc1pcl-qrl_> functionality versus cost versus how quickly to be up&running
[15:43] <Upu> I could probably guess at the pin outs on that
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[15:44] <fsphil> that's rather well specced
[15:44] <lz1dev> there was another one, i think with the same CPU, but for 65%
[15:44] <fsphil> might just run an rtlsdr fine
[15:45] <lz1dev> 65$*
[15:45] <HF_ATL> well... the time to be running seems not a big issue as in 3 h time maximum the payload may be on ground already. It can be difficult for a very small balloon that battery weight thought
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[15:46] <lz1dev> fsphil: is rtlsdr multithreaded?
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[15:53] <pc1pcl-qrl_> "Please note that pins #37, #38 and #40 are not compatible with Raspberry Pi B+ 40pin header. Those pins are dedicated for Analog input function." so be careful with your guess ;)
[15:55] <lz1dev> btw anyone noticed the slow descend on STBUG1-1 ?
[15:58] <Upu> !track STBUG1-1
[15:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=STBUG1-1
[15:59] <lz1dev> its gong to be as long as the ascent
[15:59] <lz1dev> ~4hrs
[15:59] <Upu> Balloon cute
[15:59] <Upu> chute
[15:59] <Upu> had one like that
[16:01] <lz1dev> must be large chute :D
[16:01] <Upu> the balloon rips and acts like a parachute
[16:01] <Upu> usually as it gets into thicker air it gives up and decent rate increases
[16:01] <lz1dev> yes but look at the graph
[16:02] <lz1dev> its almost a steady -2m/s the entire way down
[16:03] <lz1dev> well it was actually -3m/s when it was higher
[16:03] <lz1dev> i dunno
[16:08] <HF_ATL> Upu, can the 300mw 434MHz be used in the habduino? only the 2m band found on the website
[16:09] <Upu> there isn't an MTX2 module @ 300mW
[16:09] <Upu> but nothing stopping making a small 70cms PA
[16:10] <HF_ATL> so what's the power of the 434MHz supplied with the PITS? 10mw?
[16:10] <Upu> yes same module
[16:11] <HF_ATL> and reports show that even at several miles away the data can be decoded on ground with 10mw?
[16:11] <Upu> depends on terrain
[16:12] <Upu> 0.5mile yes
[16:12] <Upu> usually
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[16:12] <Upu> http://www.minikits.com.au/electronic-kits/rf-amplifiers/rf-high-power/70cm-7W-Amplifier
[16:12] <Upu> bit too much :)
[16:13] <HF_ATL> so it seems that I really need much more than 10mw ;)
[16:13] <Upu> I don't think you do as long as you combine with an organised chase team and the predictor
[16:15] <pc1pcl-qrl_> When it's down on the ground the range will be limited, but up in the sky the range increases dramatically.
[16:16] <HF_ATL> yes I understand but I'd rather be on the safe side... for instance I may find some path impossible to go by car and lost precious time and range
[16:16] <Upu> well given the low output power make a PA
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[16:18] <HF_ATL> yes that's a good possibility, just wonder if radiometrix has a higher power in 70cm band tx off-the-shelf
[16:18] <Upu> they do just not in that module
[16:18] <paul_HABnoob> has anybody got dl-fldigi running on mint?
[16:19] <HF_ATL> but any module can be connected as long as the pinout and power requirements are verified right?
[16:21] <Upu> err well possibly
[16:21] <Upu> I would suggest a small external PA be the way forward
[16:21] <HF_ATL> gotcha
[16:22] <HF_ATL> any website in the UK that may sell it?
[16:23] <Upu> I don't know of any
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_63
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> I think it's some dodgy dude in a really bad sweater.
[16:27] <HF_ATL> thank you
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[16:50] <Laurenceb_> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61AzyRFPloL._SL1068_.jpg
[16:51] <lz1dev> http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/UC-Davis-Pepper-Spray-e1321981775239.jpg
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[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Some may remember the mention some months ago of the very silly 'flying cargo container' idea.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_XC-120_Packplane - done properly
[17:03] <mattbrejza> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_machines#Thunderbird_2
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[17:23] <arko> hah nice lz1dev
[17:24] <arko> saw the loading sinewave
[17:25] <lz1dev> is a sinewave?
[17:25] <lz1dev> or two sine waves?
[17:25] <lz1dev> or a double helix?
[17:25] <lz1dev> and which directions does it rotate in?
[17:25] <arko> lol
[17:25] <lz1dev> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/img/hab-spinner.gif
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[18:01] <paul_HABnoob> Does anybody have fl-digi running on a recent Linux distro?
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[18:02] <fsphil> running it on fedora 21. about as recent as you get :)
[18:03] <mcbcurator> Hello. I'm going to be running a HAB in the US for a museum. Trying to decide between pi-in-the-sky and habduino. Does Habduino store a log of GPS and temp locally? That's a feature I'm pretty interested in.
[18:04] <Upu> busy day :)
[18:04] <Upu> no it doesn't
[18:04] <Upu> the Pi In The Sky does
[18:04] <Upu> Habduino has no local storage its just a tracker
[18:04] <paul_HABnoob> Cant install from PPA on LM17 as it hasnt been compiled for that platform. Ok on to trying from source.
[18:05] <HF_ATL> i believe you can mcbcurator if you use a sd card addon for arduino and develop the sw
[18:05] <Upu> it uses interupts
[18:06] <Upu> so may interfere with the supplied code
[18:06] <Upu> be my guest and try make it work
[18:06] <mcbcurator> Hmmm. Never done any arduino programming before. Might leave that to someone more skilled and just go with pi
[18:06] <Upu> I really should get these on sale :)
[18:07] <mcbcurator> Our launch isn't until late march :)
[18:07] <Upu> GSBC ?
[18:07] <mcbcurator> Museum of the Coastal Bend in Texas.
[18:07] <mcbcurator> I see on twitter that Pi has APRS now, which is awesome.
[18:07] <Upu> it needs to be tested but in theory yes
[18:09] <mcbcurator> We're doing an exhibit here about space starting in march, so figured a HAB with experiments from local schools would be a good tie-in. People seem excited. Now I've just got to figure out how to do the thing!
[18:10] <Upu> cool well you found the right place
[18:11] <mcbcurator> is PITS with APRS likely to be ready by March? Or should I be looking down a different path.
[18:11] <Upu> should be ready end of Jan
[18:14] <mcbcurator> well that's good timing then
[18:26] <HF_ATL> I'm also looking forward to it
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[18:31] <mcbcurator> We're going to have to be a little fiddly with launch date and location here on the Texas coastal plains. The winds aloft (at least right now) tend to push predictions dangerously close to the Gulf of Mexico. Might start looking for launch sites more inland.
[18:31] <fsphil> or arrange a boat :)
[18:31] <fsphil> I think that's been done twice now
[18:32] <lz1dev> speaking from exprience?
[18:32] <mcbcurator> I don't know if it would be easier to arrange a boat or arrange recovering from some rancher's huge private ranch!
[18:33] <mcbcurator> Probably still rancher, because at worst your payload would get stepped on by a cow, not sunk.
[18:33] <lz1dev> get some kevlar vests
[18:34] <mcbcurator> most of the time they're cool as long as you explain what you're doing and aren't trying to a) trespass b) poach c) rustle their cattle
[18:37] <lz1dev> this is how i imagine texas: http://i.imgur.com/2zSso5O.gif
[18:38] <mcbcurator> Haha. It's not usually that bad. But it is sometimes a ridiculous place to live. I have a photo album of "things shaped like Texas"
[18:38] <lz1dev> please, don't feel the need to share that album
[18:40] <mcbcurator> When I went to purchase my Thanksgiving turkey this year, the fact that said turkey was "RAISED IN TEXAS" was in bigger print than, you know, that it was a turkey.
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[18:42] <lz1dev> it would've been smaller if it said mexico :P
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[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:05] <henryplumb> Evening
[19:05] <mclane_> guten Abend
[19:07] <DL7AD> hi
[19:10] <mclane_> was gibts neues?
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[19:12] <DL7AD> nichts neues von mir
[19:12] <DL7AD> zur viel arbeit grad @mclane_
[19:13] <mclane_> geht mir ähnlich
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[19:57] <mcbcurator> Seeing conflicting web information on using the cheap dongles as an SDR for tracking. How much success have people had tracking HABs with the dongles?
[19:57] <Upu> quite a bit
[19:57] <Upu> the Southampton WebSDR uses them
[19:57] <Upu> with a Habamp
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[19:58] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker?s[]=sdr
[19:58] <Upu> close..
[19:58] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=83
[19:59] <mcbcurator> Yeah, that's where I saw the suggestion that they're useless for tracking in-the-air HABs. :P
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[20:21] <mfa298> paul_HABnoob: not sure you got an answer earlier there's some instructions for compiling dl-fldigi from source on ubuntu at http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu#building_stable_version_on_ubuntu_1404
[20:22] <mfa298> the only recentish binaries I know of are some I did for fedora 20 last year
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[20:30] <mcbcurator> Finding out about SDR dongles, when combined with a shortwave listening hobby... that's a hit to my wallet today!
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[20:32] <Upu> well not useless mcbcurator
[20:32] <Upu> Check out the Airspy
[20:32] <mfa298> mcbcurator: if you want to combine both look at the funcube pro+ as that gives you an sdr dongle that covers hf
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[20:32] <mcbcurator> was looking at Ham It Up upconverter.
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[20:59] <paul_HABnoob> anybody else had trouble with 'Fl_Fontsize' does not name a type when installing dl-fldigi (using the wiki instructions)?
[20:59] <paul_HABnoob> (following the karmic instructions but on Mint)
[21:05] <mfa298> can you paste the output somewhere (pastie/pastebin/gist)
[21:05] <paul_HABnoob> its ok - trying with the DL3.1 version and it seems to be going a lot further :)
[21:06] <mfa298> if you use git you want to use the DL3.1 tag, bleeding edge has some issues with rtty decoding
[21:07] <mfa298> bust be about time to try merging latest fldigi sources in and see how fixed/broken it is now.
[21:07] <mfa298> s/bust/must/
[21:13] <paul_HABnoob> Seems to be running! Now just the interminable wait for the DVB-T usb stick to turn up :/
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello Paul
[21:15] <paul_HABnoob> hey
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> nice to see new people here
[21:15] <Upu> GSBC Lunar
[21:16] <lz1dev> i got the email as well
[21:16] <paul_HABnoob> thanks! Friendly group :)
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[21:17] <Upu> balloonchallenge.org
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> nice! thanks :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> very interesting
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> "Best Photo"
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea the famous straw
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> I like it Anthony
[21:27] <lz1dev> Longest Ground Track
[21:27] <lz1dev> balloon with a propeller
[21:27] <lz1dev> go
[21:31] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03STBUG2-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=STBUG2-1
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> RTLS also is interesting
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> Leo almost did that after flying round the world and to the North Pole :)
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[21:44] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder what the mean cross-track error of a prediction 5 days out is.
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> That is - how much thrust would you need to exactly hit a prediction
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> or 2, or whatever
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[21:55] <lz1dev> nice track for stbug2-1
[21:55] <lz1dev> yay aprs
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[22:04] <paul_HABnoob> so who can use aprs?
[22:04] <lz1dev> what do you mean?
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> amateur radio license holders
[22:04] <mfa298> to be useful you need an amateur radio license, however using it airborne isn't allowed everywhere
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> thanks mfa
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:04] <mfa298> (e.g. UK doesn't allow use of amateur radio airborne)
[22:05] <paul_HABnoob> yup found that out from my local ham club
[22:05] <paul_HABnoob> so its of no use in the uk?
[22:05] <paul_HABnoob> (to people trying to fly habs)
[22:06] <mfa298> you can run aprs on a license free frequency but there's noone listenting by default so the ukhas rtty (or other modes supported by dl-fldigi) are generally better
[22:06] <paul_HABnoob> got it - taa...
[22:06] <paul_HABnoob> approx how many stations are listening in the uk?
[22:07] <jcoxon> paul_HABnoob, on a weekend 20+
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[22:07] <mfa298> not of much use in the UK for habs, although for something that travels a long way you can potentially use the reciprocal agreements to use aprs over some other countries (needs a UK Full license and is limited to CEPT countries as long as they allow airborne use)
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[22:07] <jcoxon> oh right i mean UKHAS based stations
[22:07] <mfa298> these days that's probably 20+++ (I think we've had 40+ at times recently)
[22:08] <mcbcurator> between transmitting quadcopter video at highish power and APRS, getting an amateur license years ago is one of the better decisions I've ever made.
[22:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> didn't craag have a map of stations ?
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[22:08] <adamgreig> what kit do you use for high power quadcopter videos under amateur radio?
[22:09] <paul_HABnoob> i've been looking into it however, it doesnt look like I have to in order to fly a HAB with habduino...
[22:09] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: he did although I think it's 18 months out of date now (not sure he's found the scripts to update it)
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[22:09] <mfa298> technically I don't think you could use Amateur radio from a quadcopter - airborne use and all that (at least for the UK)
[22:10] <mcbcurator> yeah, in the UK you probably can't. In the US you can.
[22:11] <mfa298> paul_HABnoob: the 70cms at 10mW (or less) is a license free allocation we use so no license required.
[22:11] <jcoxon> a radio licence is a great thing to do even to learn about radios
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[22:12] <mfa298> and potentially use for chase car comms, although I think the only time I've chased with other licensed amateurs nearby they were only using their radios to receive the balloons
[22:13] <mcbcurator> I use 5.8GHz at about a watt
[22:13] <mcbcurator> for quadcopters that is
[22:18] <paul_HABnoob> Yeah I bought the manual and it was a good read. But I want to get a balloon up :-)
[22:19] <mcbcurator> adamgreig there's a variety of cheap Chinese tx units that are almost plug-and-play
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[22:41] <mcbcurator> anyone have any info (beyond their website) on the Titan Aerosolutions Phoenix trackers?
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[22:47] <Upu> well it uses a Radiometrix BiMH which is the APRS bit
[22:47] <Upu> (0.5W)
[22:47] <Upu> there is a ublox in there
[22:47] <Upu> and GSM modem
[22:47] <Upu> ublox with a taoglas edge mount GPS antenna
[22:48] <Upu> anyway night all
[22:48] <mcbcurator> Night
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[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[23:05] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EA3IK-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EA3IK-11
[23:07] <paul_HABnoob> So cool these live tracks...
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