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[07:00] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03sakthi_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=sakthi_chase
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[07:15] <jcoxon> now that spacenear.us is redirecting to habhub tracker is the old map still around?
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[08:34] <SA6BSS> guess this works http://spacenear.us/tracker/fullscreen.php
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[11:08] <amell> are we all set for Orion launch?
[11:08] <amell> one hour. all GO at present
[11:10] <fsphil> place your bets now. it will be delayed first because of a boat, wind, fuel or something else
[11:12] <amell> whats the odds of it being delayed by B-64
[11:13] <gonzo__> I'll puit a tenner on 'something else'
[11:14] <mattbrejza> same
[11:15] <mattbrejza> amell: i hope you have deep pockets
[11:15] <Maxell> "unexpoected things"
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[11:22] <lz1dev> fsphil: what are the odds for that event?
[11:27] <mattbrejza> i was going for the assumption that when you 'put a tenner on it', the winning party gets the other party's tenner
[11:28] <fsphil> odds are I know very little about gambling
[11:31] <edmoore> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap Geoff-G8DHE-m Geoff-G8DHE_, i saw this and thought of you https://twitter.com/Spaceboffins/status/540825526727086080
[11:34] <SpeedEvil> amell: well - there was always what happened last time there was a boat related delay to the next launch attempt...
[11:35] <mattbrejza> do they remove all the fuel between attempts or just top up the boil off?
[11:35] <amell> drain down
[11:36] <amell> pump up about 3-4 hours before flight
[11:36] <edmoore> they'll keep it loaded within the launch window though
[11:36] <mattbrejza> ok
[11:36] <fsphil> do the internal batteries get recharged?
[11:36] <edmoore> but cryogens don't store well at-all
[11:36] <amell> yes, switch to internal power at T-4m
[11:36] <edmoore> infact non-cryogenic rocket propellants tend to be called 'storables' just to differentiate from cryogens
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Morning edmoore, yup plenty of them around, seems like a new design every week!!
[11:37] <mattbrejza> i assume that red flame is the hydrogen boil off?
[11:37] <edmoore> yes
[11:38] <fsphil> stream is a little more reliable today. so far
[11:38] <edmoore> yep
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> mattbrejza: it's pretty
[11:38] <amell> Wish i could go for a ride in Orion, would be a fun little trip
[11:38] <edmoore> yep
[11:38] <edmoore> it's a very faint flame
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Especially in the pre-dawn
[11:38] <edmoore> almost invisible in the day
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Now put a Pano camera on the nose of the rocket would be nice!
[11:38] <mattbrejza> i was wondering why it was more visible than i was expecting, but yea, no other light
[11:38] <SpeedEvil> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: and inside the tanks!
[11:38] <amell> Liquid H conditioning complete
[11:39] <amell> LOX top off was finished an hour ago
[11:40] <SpeedEvil> SpaceX's new barge is fun too.
[11:41] <amell> 24 min to launch
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[11:41] <fsphil> 20 minutes to the delay
[11:41] <amell> any idea how long the window is today?
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> amell: in principle, as long as they want
[11:41] <x-f> Window: 2 Hours & 39 Minutes
[11:41] <SpeedEvil> but it's constrained due to light
[11:41] <amell> thats pretty good
[11:41] <fsphil> I'd really like to see a rocket launching some day
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> Especially a british HOTOL. :)
[11:42] <amell> fsphil: you want to shower yourself in hypergolics?
[11:42] <amell> no wonder all those people ran from the antares launch fail
[11:42] <SpeedEvil> amell: hypergolics are great exfoliants.
[11:43] <fsphil> *see*
[11:43] <edmoore> i don't think we'll ever see hotol launch SpeedEvil
[11:43] <SpeedEvil> :/
[11:43] <amell> we should get the go poll in 7 mins or so.
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> I mean - who could have guessed that liquid gasses are cold.
[11:44] <mattbrejza> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOTOL#mediaviewer/File:HOTOL.JPG top pic looks like it wasa drawn by a school kid
[11:44] <edmoore> liquid gases?
[11:44] <edmoore> what supercritical foo is this
[11:44] <fsphil> wonder which department will give us the over excited Go! today
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> liquified
[11:45] <edmoore> i like the one guy who messes it up with 'ready to proceed' instead of go
[11:45] <fsphil> way to break the flow
[11:45] <amell> and the guy who says no& only kidding, thats a go
[11:45] <SpeedEvil> There always seem to be a couple of them
[11:46] <amell> T-4m hold
[11:46] <edmoore> i like dawn
[11:46] <edmoore> it's a good time
[11:47] <fsphil> I wish my brain would work that early so I could see it
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> This pano is on topic http://www.littleplanet.nl/dagnacht/tour.html taken from an aerostat balloon
[11:47] <edmoore> when i sometimes do an early dash to work i like it
[11:47] <amell> surprisingly quiet mission control
[11:47] <edmoore> beating the world and seeing sunrise
[11:47] <amell> looks very comfy compared to apollo
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[11:48] <amell> from that angle the assembly building looks ridiculously close.
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> I like the one that shows the vent flame playing over the rocket
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=859925654052513&set=p.859925654052513&type=1&theater
[11:49] <amell> what are the two big towers each side of rocket for?
[11:49] <fsphil> lightning protection
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[11:50] <fsphil> suddenly lots of helicopters
[11:51] <UpuWork> got a link ?
[11:51] <fsphil> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[11:51] <qyx_> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8
[11:51] <amell> http://www.livestream.com/spaceflightnow
[11:51] <UpuWork> ta
[11:51] <qyx_> for vlc
[11:52] Nick change: day- -> day
[11:53] <fsphil> higher resolution link for VLC: http://public.infozen.cshls.lldns.net/infozen/public/public.m3u8
[11:54] <qyx_> ou, nice
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[11:55] <amell> i understand elmo from sesame street is on board.
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[11:55] <eroomde> ustream being disfunctional for me
[11:56] <eroomde> sigh
[11:56] <amell> livestream is good
[11:56] <lz1dev> it died :(
[11:56] <amell> http://www.livestream.com/spaceflightnow
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[11:56] <fsphil> ah the checksum
[11:56] <qyx_> vlc reconnects every 5 seonds :S
[11:56] <amell> uh oh. livestream starting to have issues
[11:56] <fsphil> vlc's manging ok here
[11:57] <fsphil> unlike my spelling
[11:57] <fsphil> lol and vlc just crashed
[11:57] <fsphil> spoke too soon
[11:57] <qyx_> same here
[11:58] <fsphil> florida looks nice
[11:58] <eroomde> still ok on vlc here
[11:58] <eroomde> a beautiful morning for a launch in florida
[11:58] <fsphil> deep voice go
[11:58] <qyx_> ah, the low resoultion wroks
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> ustream 'off air'
[11:58] <fsphil> there's the excited Go!
[11:59] <fsphil> I missed the dep
[11:59] <amell> internal power
[11:59] <fsphil> clear to proceed. silly man
[11:59] <eroomde> yep
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I'm sure they have a button to press when it isn't go! Thats pure theatre if you ask me!
[12:00] <fsphil> ah no, vlc crashed again
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I wondeer how many balloons we could launch with that Hydrogen burn off ;-)
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[12:01] <SpeedEvil> They should just stick it on youtube
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> at least that actually works
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[12:02] <lz1dev> all streams die on spikes
[12:02] Action: SpeedEvil realises.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> Dawns early light + rockets red glare
[12:03] <fsphil> rocket launch at dawn, rocket engineers yawn
[12:03] <fsphil> doesn't really work
[12:04] <amell> ready? :)
[12:04] <Darkside> brace for wind gust
[12:04] <lz1dev> lol
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> 'we have a bald eagle perched on the escape tower'
[12:04] <fsphil> windy boat
[12:04] <fsphil> blocking a valve
[12:05] <qyx_> waaa stream down
[12:05] <fsphil> this stream is dying badly
[12:05] <Darkside> yup
[12:05] <Darkside> stream just died for me
[12:05] <Darkside> ffs
[12:05] <amell> and there she blows
[12:05] <eroomde> stream link quick!
[12:05] <Darkside> fucks sakes
[12:05] <eroomde> vlc crashed!
[12:05] <Darkside> eroomde: its all dead
[12:05] <qyx_> 12:51 < amell> http://www.livestream.com/spaceflightnow
[12:05] <lz1dev> and stream went into a loop
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah and lift crash
[12:05] <fsphil> aww missed it
[12:06] <lz1dev> thanks internet
[12:06] <Darkside> they're all fucked for me
[12:06] <amell> shes looking goods
[12:06] <amell> smooth lift off.
[12:06] <Darkside> fucking australian fucking internet
[12:06] <fsphil> nasa broke the internet
[12:06] <amell> yes, streaming is absolutely getting slammed.
[12:06] <x-f> it's not just Australian
[12:06] <lz1dev> cooldown was for when the stream would die
[12:06] <Darkside> ustream worked fine for a while
[12:07] <qyx_> ok, backj
[12:07] <Darkside> then it stopped
[12:07] <qyx_> working now
[12:07] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30327137
[12:07] <fsphil> wooo sweet
[12:07] <fsphil> "No passengers on board vessel"
[12:07] <fsphil> ooh no they launched without me!
[12:07] <amell> lol
[12:08] <fsphil> that's an impressive view
[12:08] <amell> elmo is on board
[12:08] <x-f> Capt. Kirk should be on board!
[12:08] <fsphil> is that the shadow on the ground? of the launch column
[12:08] <fsphil> difficult to tell on the low res bbc video
[12:09] <Darkside> there are bits falling off
[12:09] <Darkside> well
[12:09] <Darkside> probably ice or something
[12:09] <fsphil> fire!
[12:09] <Darkside> owoah
[12:09] <Darkside> that was cool
[12:09] <fsphil> very
[12:09] <Darkside> booster separation
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> wouldn't the launch tower have jettisoned by now?
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> ^escape
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> (yes, I know it was a render)
[12:11] <Darkside> stream is screwing up
[12:11] <fsphil> bbc still playing fine
[12:11] <fsphil> separation
[12:11] <fsphil> there goes the first stage
[12:11] <Darkside> woah
[12:11] <fsphil> oh sweet
[12:11] <Darkside> rocket engine!
[12:13] <Darkside> so when is that engine going to fire up
[12:13] Nick change: pidpawel_ -> pidpawel
[12:14] <Darkside> oh nice
[12:15] <fsphil> dodgey auto-contrast
[12:15] <Darkside> heh
[12:15] <amell> looks like a pi-cam
[12:16] <lz1dev> looks like my like 0.8mp camera :D
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> ISS cameras really dissapoint
[12:17] <fsphil> earth is very cloudy under orion
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> Mmm.
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> Barbecue
[12:18] <fsphil> haha
[12:18] <qyx_> lunch time
[12:19] <fsphil> not sure you can call the altitude it's going for deep space
[12:19] <fsphil> near-deep space :)
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> That stream is straight out of 1998
[12:20] <fsphil> yea but it's coming from SPACE
[12:20] <lz1dev> is it space at that altitude tho?
[12:20] <qyx_> slightly worse than soyuz analog video
[12:21] <fsphil> might get better video over africa
[12:22] <fsphil> most of the data is probably sensors
[12:22] <fsphil> video is secondary
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> Video is primarily there to support UFO spotting
[12:24] <fsphil> you'd think that given how much of that crap there is on youtube
[12:24] <fsphil> annoying when you watch a nice proper science video and all the recommended videos are ufo nuts
[12:25] <x-f> just watch fullscreen :)
[12:25] <lz1dev> that white blob on the left tho
[12:25] <lz1dev> is it an identified object?
[12:26] <fsphil> those h264 encoding artifacts are clearly hiding something
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> That's the orion program director.
[12:26] <fsphil> on the horizon. must be an invisible alien city
[12:27] <lz1dev> alien overlords
[12:27] <amell> who is the bird?
[12:27] <fsphil> going up to about 5800km altitude
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> amell: she's a Venusian.
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> Her real name is not pronouceable.
[12:29] <fsphil> so no launch delays at all. nobody wins the bets
[12:29] <fsphil> whoa that launch was slow
[12:29] <fsphil> didn't get to see that first time
[12:29] <fsphil> took ages to get of the pad
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> it's held down for ~5s
[12:29] <lz1dev> that zoom tho
[12:29] <amell> who would have thought an empty vessel would be so heavy
[12:30] <x-f> Nasa could have done a proper test and went around the Moon on this flight, not just a "popper" up and down flight
[12:30] <amell> x-f: they didnt have a translunar stage on this.
[12:30] <eroomde> yes
[12:30] <eroomde> they also won't be doing a manned test till after 2020 with it
[12:30] <eroomde> so 6 years after first test rather than a new months
[12:30] <eroomde> few*
[12:31] <amell> europe ESA are building the translunar stage using ATV design.
[12:31] <lz1dev> rip launch pad camera
[12:32] <pc1pcl-3> shakecam..
[12:32] <lz1dev> is that camera on a string
[12:32] <Darkside> wow
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[12:36] <lz1dev> 3 ufos
[12:36] <lz1dev> post it on youtube
[12:36] <lz1dev> left everyone know
[12:36] <lz1dev> let*
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[12:42] <mattbrejza> the stream is currently playing lots of different camera replays
[12:42] <Darkside> yup
[12:42] <Darkside> and they are all cool
[12:43] <Darkside> http://www.spaceflight101.com/eft-1-mission-data.html
[12:43] <mattbrejza> you can see the shadow of the exhast?
[12:43] <Darkside> maybe
[12:44] <x-f> must be it, sun is low
[12:45] <mattbrejza> http://i.imgur.com/tqDKu6g.png
[12:45] <mattbrejza> that 1st stage lasts for a while
[12:50] <qyx_> lol the blue signs
[12:51] <mattbrejza> its very thoughtful of the americans to schedule a launch at a nice convient middle of the day time
[12:51] <Darkside> pff
[12:51] <Darkside> 11:20 pm here
[12:51] <mattbrejza> still a reasonable time
[12:52] <mattbrejza> lol hashtag analysis
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> I'm supposed to be upgrading the XYL's machine, not got very far...
[12:52] <x-f> it's morning in US, it means most of the world is awake right now :|
[12:54] <qyx_> how long is it going to stay orbiting?
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> 4.5 hours
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> landing about 16:23 utc
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[13:08] <Oddstr13> my VoCore's have arrived :D
[13:09] <fsphil> my spare hdd also just arrived. woo :)
[13:09] <fsphil> and because it was on offer the xkcd book too
[13:09] <Oddstr13> nice
[13:09] <fsphil> what's a VoCore?
[13:09] <fsphil> too lazy to google it at work
[13:11] <Oddstr13> a tiny openwrt based computer
[13:11] <fsphil> nice
[13:11] <Oddstr13> http://vocore.io/index/index
[13:12] <fsphil> cute
[13:12] <Oddstr13> yep
[13:12] <Oddstr13> I'm hoping fswebcam will run on it :3
[13:12] <fsphil> of *course* it will :)
[13:13] <fsphil> I got that bug fixed, it defaults to the C locale. have to tell it to use what the LC_ vars are set to
[13:13] <Oddstr13> ^^
[13:13] <fsphil> the man page was a bit misleading
[13:13] <Oddstr13> LC_TIME that one I guess
[13:13] <fsphil> yea
[13:13] <fsphil> man page says it uses that, but it won't without a call to setlocale() first
[13:14] <Oddstr13> hehe
[13:16] <fsphil> ~120mA while idle. slightly more than the Pi iirc
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[13:16] <Oddstr13> it uses a fair bit of power, yea
[13:16] <fsphil> built in wifi
[13:16] <Oddstr13> yep
[13:17] <Oddstr13> should start in ap mode by default, in theory
[13:25] <Oddstr13> wlp0s26f7u4 love you too, Archlinux.
[13:25] <MaXimaN> Hand soldering is for dummies
[13:25] <MaXimaN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyB9btlhS8
[13:25] <Oddstr13> that's the name it came up with for the USB wifi adaptor >.<
[13:34] <Myself> hey!
[13:34] <Myself> that's my uncle's name, what a coincidence!
[13:36] <amell> the number at the bottom left on the orion graphic, what does it mean?
[13:36] <mattbrejza> the number that appears to be incrementing by 1 every 1 second?
[13:37] <amell> yeah
[13:37] <fsphil> lol
[13:37] <mattbrejza> its number of retweets
[13:37] <mattbrejza> very important parameter
[13:37] Action: fsphil checks if the stream is working....
[13:37] <amell> it was 5400 something last time it appeared
[13:37] <fsphil> hmm still bad here
[13:38] <amell> its smooth on livestream
[13:38] <fsphil> there we go
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[13:39] <amell> lots of fat controllers there
[13:39] <amell> and the hot venusian bird again
[13:41] <amell> i think this bird is better
[13:42] <fsphil> :/
[13:45] <Oddstr13> whoa
[13:45] <Oddstr13> http://oddstr13.openshell.no/paste/VIG27Jla/ now that is a small install...
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> Oddstr13: I have a device here with busybox
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> without 'ls'
[13:47] <Oddstr13> it has ls :P
[13:47] <Oddstr13> even comes with lua it seems
[13:47] <Oddstr13> ...no python tho
[13:47] <Oddstr13> :P
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[13:50] <x-f> beautiful view
[13:53] <eroomde> when it boosts to a really high orbit the view should be even better
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> IF of course the data can cope
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[14:04] <Oddstr13> got a link to the stream handy?
[14:04] <mattbrejza> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[14:05] <mattbrejza> perigee alt is negative now
[14:05] <Oddstr13> did I tune in to KSP? he-he-he
[14:06] <eroomde> 3600km asl is still not mega far
[14:07] <eroomde> in terms of how much of the earth you can see
[14:07] <mattbrejza> if they even have a feed of the camera in the first place
[14:08] <Oddstr13> ooo, it's over europe, any radio we can tune to? :P
[14:08] <mattbrejza> yea, aprs downlink telemetry on 145.something ;)
[14:08] <Oddstr13> .8?
[14:08] <mattbrejza> im joking
[14:09] <Oddstr13> aww
[14:09] <eroomde> i've drawn a scale drawing of where it is
[14:09] <eroomde> or where it's going
[14:09] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvqs6zo0j6xarid/2014-12-05%2014.08.05.jpg?dl=0
[14:09] <mattbrejza> 1/10 of the way to geostationary
[14:09] <mattbrejza> 1/5 rather
[14:10] <mattbrejza> beautiful eroomde
[14:10] <eroomde> thanks
[14:11] <fsphil> hubble is 560km up .. don't think the shuttle ever went much higher
[14:12] <eroomde> she's lookin for some sarvers
[14:13] <eroomde> americans can't pronounce 'l' before another consonant
[14:13] <eroomde> solder, solver, etc
[14:14] <eroomde> and that's why you get those funny pictures of 4-year old children writing things like 'i love my whore family'
[14:16] <Maxell> nice eroomde
[14:16] <Maxell> haha
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> I think Ed just discovered a new continent
[14:18] <eroomde> mini-africa?
[14:19] <eroomde> africa is about 5x bigger in real life, i'm too used to mercatur
[14:19] <eroomde> the thing on the left is definitely the americas
[14:19] <eroomde> look
[14:19] <eroomde> there's husen bay
[14:19] <eroomde> and
[14:19] <eroomde> um
[14:19] <eroomde> florica sticky out bit
[14:19] <eroomde> and um, south america
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[14:19] <eroomde> hudsen*
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> My world geography has gotten a lot better thanks to Leo
[14:20] <eroomde> it did occur to me as i drew it that i have no idea what the east coast of the americas is like
[14:20] <fsphil> fairly dull
[14:21] <fsphil> gets more interesting around canada
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[14:23] <SpeedEvil> especially if you delete the ice
[14:26] <fsphil> Dawn spies Ceres: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4GRX2ZCYAI44jH.jpg:large
[14:26] Action: SpeedEvil has been poking around Farnells clearance section.
[14:27] <SpeedEvil> A hell of a lot of 'my god is that expensive'
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[14:42] <amell> how long before re-entry?
[14:43] <fsphil> splashdown at 16:30
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> I thought they got rid of that display
[14:48] <Ian_> 3053 miles
[14:48] <Ian_> Zeusebot not playing
[14:49] <amell> eroomde: that picture makes it look like its really not going far :)
[14:50] <eroomde> it's not
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[14:56] <amell> thats a nice drone, probably cost quite a bit
[14:57] <eroomde> would be a shame if something were to... happen to it
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> That confused me for a moment. Livestream just started playing old shuttle launch
[15:03] <Myself> Heh. I had one of those "A third plane!!" moments on 9/11
[15:03] <Myself> damn replays
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[15:05] <SpeedEvil> 'Wait - orion has payload bay doors' ?
[15:06] <Myself> hey, they took Buran out of mothballs!
[15:14] <staylo_> http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0cdecce9e311.jpg (but nary a moth in sight)
[15:16] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03default_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=default_chase
[15:17] <amell> Buran: that is a desperate shame. would have been a great tourist attraction.
[15:19] <Laurenceb_> it wasnt flightworthy
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> the wings needed redesigning and stuff
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> it only just got back safely on the test flight
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> you could say that about the soviet supersonic transport too :)
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> thats why it wasnt flown again
[15:20] <Laurenceb_> heh
[15:21] <Laurenceb_> aiui they had completed most of the design work but didnt get the funds to do the rebuild before everything fell apart
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> nice view from the window
[15:23] <Laurenceb_> pity about the reflections
[15:36] <mattbrejza> did she just say friction causes heating?
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> you do have 8 year-olds watching this
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[15:58] <amell> is the stream picture out of date
[15:59] <amell> i thought the crew module had separated
[16:00] <eroomde> boooooriiiiiing
[16:00] <eroomde> the steel for the ship came from a mine called petunia
[16:00] <amell> surprised they havnt changed the graphic
[16:00] <eroomde> petunia was also the name of the mother of the guy who procurred the rivets used to assemble the fuse box on the ship
[16:01] <mattbrejza> its just the module on the graphic at the moment?
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> im gunna thrust some strings
[16:01] <Laurenceb_> a critical activity in fapid fire
[16:02] <Laurenceb_> then ill expose my parachutes in a critical manoeuvre
[16:02] <amell> mattbrejza: stream is showing capsule with something white behind it, thought that was the second stage which they say has been jettisoned
[16:02] <mattbrejza> are you sure you arnt like 40min behind us?
[16:03] <eroomde> 23.61N 116.46W
[16:03] <eroomde> is what was just said
[16:03] <mattbrejza> i have the entry graphic again
[16:05] <amell> reloaded the stream, see if its changed graphic
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[16:05] <amell> oh my stream was running way behind. gah
[16:06] <amell> yep. up to date graphic now
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[16:11] <qyx_> stream not usable again :S
[16:12] <Laurenceb_> buffering
[16:12] <staylo_> What was the alternative stream (non ustream)?
[16:12] <mattbrejza> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv might be less shit
[16:12] <qyx_> thats flashy
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[16:19] <amell> hmm. using mplayer apparently
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> lol if failed
[16:19] <Laurenceb_> *it
[16:20] <Laurenceb_> i see a looping script running
[16:22] <qyx_> nice view
[16:22] <x-f> amazing
[16:25] <amell> stream is stuffed
[16:25] <mattbrejza> ustream is fine for once
[16:25] <amell> link?
[16:26] <x-f> wee, drogues deployed!
[16:26] <amell> pardon me
[16:26] <amell> got it
[16:26] <x-f> i hope it lands before i loose signal in my train :|
[16:27] <x-f> empty expectations :/
[16:28] <mattbrejza> 2200ft
[16:28] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 2200 ft = 671 m
[16:29] <mattbrejza> 1000ft
[16:29] Action: fsphil is watching it on actual telly
[16:29] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 1000 ft = 305 m
[16:29] <fsphil> nice slow descent
[16:29] <amell> it lands, and someone pops the hatch, climbs out and waves
[16:29] <amell> odds?
[16:29] <qyx_> yep, slow, i would say totally static
[16:29] <mattbrejza> wet
[16:30] <qyx_> no video here :S
[16:30] <mattbrejza> 6.1m/s descent
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[16:31] <fsphil> that all seemed to work very well
[16:31] <mattbrejza> with all that over, better startwork for today
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> anyone got a boat?
[16:32] <mattbrejza> someone should have added it to the tracker
[16:32] <mattbrejza> and the chase boat
[16:32] <mattbrejza> i doubt the US provide a feed of their boat's location somehow
[16:32] Action: Laurenceb_ inflates air bags for upright position
[16:33] <x-f> chasehopter
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> i like the troll rectangle
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> just to troll conspiracy theorists
[16:41] <qyx_> in the left bottom corner?
[16:41] <Laurenceb_> yup
[16:41] <x-f> where's the third parachute?
[16:42] <qyx_> they said something was not deplayoed fully
[16:42] <fsphil> sure I saw all three on the way down
[16:42] <x-f> as i understood, it was fourth airbag
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[16:48] <amell> any hypergolics in the capsule thrusters?
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[16:52] <amell> if orion is used for a mars mission, presumably that means they have to cart it all the way to mars orbit and back
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[16:54] <qyx_> wheres the third parachute?
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[17:03] <Ian_> amell has collected it and is offering it back for sale
[17:07] <fsphil> it joins the large collection of parachutes we've given to the deep ocean
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[17:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test1_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=test1_chase
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[17:22] <Dryanna> hey guys
[17:23] <fsphil> evening
[17:24] <Dryanna> i'm looking for documentation about long time fly (>= 24 hours ) did anyone have a link of this kind of docs ?
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[17:28] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03test2_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=test2_chase
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[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[19:23] <Laurenceb_> any beaglebone users here?
[19:25] <Babs_> willdude123
[19:26] <Laurenceb_> i doubt he can help me fix the broken dts support
[19:27] <mfa298> I'm assuming you don't mean Digital Theater Systems
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> no
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> device tree overlay stuff
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> it seems to be broken
[19:28] <Laurenceb_> i keep saying im going to persevere
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> but BBB is so horribly broken and the developer community so utterly incompetent that i should redo this project with stm32
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> id have to get a ton of SRAM connect and running etc, but probably faster
[19:29] <mfa298> hmmm, I seem to recall reading something a while back about there being issues with that on the BBB, not that I've got / used a BBB or device tree
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> everything is an issue with BBB
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> _everything_
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> :/
[19:30] <mfa298> that's one of the good things with the RPi, there's a huge community behind it (even if you have to wade through the cruft when trying to find answers)
[19:31] <Laurenceb_> yeah but the hardware sucks
[19:34] <mfa298> I have a love/hate relationship with the Pi. It has some good features but there are a few things that can be a pain in the backside.
[19:34] Action: mfa298 spent most of a day trying to get a couple of Pi's to boot from an SD card
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> SD cards need shot
[19:35] <SpeedEvil> They're barely better than punched cards.
[19:35] <Babs_> SD card and arduino, there is another marriage made in hell
[19:35] <Upu> the new SD holder is no better on the plus
[19:35] <Upu> it just pulls straight out
[19:35] <Upu> doesn't lock properly
[19:36] <Babs_> SD library basically leaves you with enough space for a 10 Print "My name is Babs" 20 Goto 10 and that is about it.
[19:36] <Babs_> (in c++ rather than basic, natch)
[19:36] <mfa298> most of these are also NOOBS cards that came with the Pi (although reflashed with rasbian) but the electrical contact is poor.
[19:36] <mattbrejza> <insert arduino rant here>
[19:36] <Upu> <3 Arduino
[19:36] <mattbrejza> <insert c++ on embedded here>
[19:36] <Babs_> oh yes, and another thing
[19:36] <Upu> Don't be haters :)
[19:36] <mattbrejza> *rnt
[19:36] <mattbrejza> rant
[19:36] <mattbrejza> sigh
[19:36] <Upu> I like Eagle too
[19:37] <mfa298> <insert programmable device rant here> - I'm generic in my hating
[19:37] <Upu> :)
[19:37] <Babs_> no one tells you that >2mb cards don't work with it
[19:37] <Upu> sounds like my car
[19:37] <Upu> only supports Class 1 cards
[19:37] <Upu> which means in theory you can use 4Gb
[19:37] <Upu> but good luck finding 4Gb Class 1 SD cards
[19:38] <Babs_> so that IT naive but credit card happy people end up buying multiple 32gb cards because they assume that they must just have faulty ones
[19:38] <Babs_> ahem
[19:38] <Upu> (Clue Transcend Industrial)
[19:38] <mattbrejza> http://letsmakerobots.com/blog/bdk6/why-i-hate-arduino-0 (why bother ranting when you can just paste someone elses rant)
[19:39] <Babs_> pah, I got it working and also modified the arduino serial buffer to 128 bytes from 64 bytes in the process to get it all to work
[19:39] <Babs_> (this from a guy who 24 months ago thought a serial buffer was an 80-year old former public schoolboy eating Kellogs cornflakes)
[19:40] <Upu> haha
[19:40] <Upu> right there with you Babs :)
[19:40] <Babs_> i was quite proud of myself - its all working quite nicely now.
[19:41] <Upu> Babs_ eclipse March 2015 will your stabilisation rig be ready ?
[19:41] <Babs_> WHAT?
[19:41] <Babs_> they bought forward the eclipse by 2 years?
[19:41] <Upu> almost totality
[19:41] <Babs_> it will totality not be ready by then
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[19:42] <Babs_> there's a whole lot of soldering going on https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/15381431277/in/set-72157636929911016
[19:44] <Babs_> its a 2017 project, but i may test a few bits of stuff with a minor Orion-esque shakedown launch next year
[19:44] <Babs_> including a rockblock cutdown
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[20:54] <Dan-K2VOL> Tracker is looking amazing guys
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[21:15] <SpeedEvil> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hackrf-blue
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[21:26] <jarod> SpeedEvil the teleprompter is too high
[21:27] <SpeedEvil> ?
[21:27] <jarod> she's looking too high up :)
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[21:38] <fsphil> hehe, Dan's always on the run
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[22:13] <englishman> SpeedEvil: its just a chinese hackrf clone?
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> guess so
[22:24] <englishman> what a scam
[22:25] <englishman> sellin em on indiegogo
[22:25] <englishman> less of a scam than most indiegogo scams i guess
[22:28] <mikestir> isn't everything on there a scam these days?
[22:30] <englishman> pretty cool tho, $240 for a hackrf
[22:30] <englishman> oh wait theyre only $300
[22:30] <englishman> i thought $600
[22:30] <englishman> hmh
[22:33] <prog> man. airspy is still a better receiver
[22:44] <arko> hackrf is awesome
[22:45] <arko> michael is a good guy too
[22:45] <arko> worth the extra cost imo
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:48] <fsphil> so much choice, it's great
[22:48] <fsphil> not a huge amount of time ago it was mostly just the usrp
[22:48] <arko> yeah
[22:49] <arko> which costs less than an arm and leg now
[22:49] <arko> always nice
[22:49] <arko> but still pricey
[22:50] <mikestir> any of you lot used kicad yet?
[22:56] <mattbrejza> ask adamgreig
[22:57] <mikestir> it shows a lot of promise but the schematic editor appears to be worse than mentor's
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[23:06] <englishman> hackrf is lunix only tho right
[23:07] <fsphil> nasa tv stream is still suffering
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[23:13] <Superminarn> Hello!
[23:15] <Superminarn> Anybody here who will listen to Weather sondes in 45 minutes?
[23:15] <Superminarn> Because I would need help with that, I have no clue what frequencies to listen to.
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[23:21] <lz1dev> usually 403mhz
[23:22] <Superminarn> Okay, because I read somewhere that 434.075 is used, I guess this is false?
[23:23] <Upu> its true for amateur launches in the UK
[23:23] <Upu> professional Sonde's are as lz1dev said around 403Mhz
[23:24] <Superminarn> Okay, I see, so I guess it would be 403MHz for Sweden then as well, as long as it is a professional sonde. :)
[23:24] <nats`> mikestir worse than what mentor version ?
[23:24] <Upu> http://www.coaa.co.uk/sondemonitor.htm
[23:24] <nats`> you're comparing kicad to mentor
[23:24] <nats`> I use the two and it's not really fair :p
[23:24] <mikestir> dxdesigner
[23:25] <mikestir> it's awful
[23:25] <nats`> I'm still on design capture + expedition flow
[23:25] <Upu> Eagle :)
[23:25] <mikestir> we use dxdesigner + expedition
[23:25] <nats`> expedition start to be really outdated
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[23:25] <nats`> I guess mentor doesn't really invest anymore in old cad they buy everything
[23:25] <mikestir> I have little experience with the layout end on mentor but apparently expedition is awesome and the whole reason people bother to pay for the suite, which is otherwise an horrendous bug-fest
[23:26] <lz1dev> Upu: that yellow background
[23:26] <nats`> expedition is also a bug fest
[23:26] <nats`> :\
[23:26] <nats`> but yes it works correctly
[23:26] <nats`> we also have allegro at work
[23:26] <nats`> mentor can go back to bed in comparison
[23:26] <Upu> yeah its amazing:)
[23:27] <Upu> you do it professionally nats :)
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[23:27] <englishman> hey upu
[23:27] <englishman> i was told to ask you where to get ublox-8 modules
[23:27] <nats`> Upu yes but I use kicad for everything I can
[23:27] <mikestir> I've got a home project I need to do a board for and it's likely to end up needing 4 layers, so I thought kicad might be worth a go
[23:27] <englishman> is $30 the best price im gonna fina?
[23:27] <englishman> *find
[23:27] <mikestir> but I can see I'll end up using work's altium license
[23:27] <nats`> mikestir definitely yes
[23:27] <Upu> oh ok didn't realise
[23:27] <nats`> kicad is really great
[23:27] <nats`> I used it professionally in 2008/2009
[23:27] <Upu> I've just got so used to Eagles quirks now I don't want to move
[23:27] <nats`> 6 layer bga 320 board
[23:28] <nats`> and it was fucking buggy at that time
[23:28] <nats`> Upu eagle has a big fail
[23:28] <nats`> it still can't do dynamic dr while routing
[23:28] <englishman> man i hate altium
[23:28] <Upu> yup
[23:28] <nats`> it's a really loos of time when you do tight design
[23:28] <Upu> amongst many many other fails nats`
[23:28] <Upu> thats one I suspect they could fix pretty easily
[23:28] <nats`> it's the real deal breaker for me
[23:29] <nats`> and the handling of copper pour
[23:29] <Upu> thats actually one I would have
[23:29] <mikestir> no push and shove
[23:29] <mikestir> no diff pairs
[23:29] <nats`> mikestir kicad doesn't have push and shove
[23:29] <mattbrejza> mikestir: it kinda has that now
[23:29] <nats`> but it can block the trace
[23:29] <mikestir> nats`: it does in the bleeding edge
[23:29] <nats`> I don't advise you to go to bleeding edge version
[23:29] <Upu> is Altrium good ?
[23:29] <nats`> they have the bad habit of changing file format those last month
[23:30] <nats`> Upu yes in certain limit
[23:30] <mikestir> nats`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHDAHpR5Ls
[23:30] <nats`> altium is a little big for tiny project but really tiny for big project
[23:30] <Upu> whats considered best of breed ? Allegro ?
[23:30] <englishman> i use diptrace for everything <1000 pins
[23:30] <mikestir> the problem with the non bleeding edge version is they seem to have omited key things like mapping of parts to footprints!
[23:30] <englishman> fast and easy
[23:30] <nats`> allegro is top at the moment
[23:30] <nats`> they did a big rewrite I think
[23:31] <nats`> and they handle some stuff for industrial processing other don't
[23:31] <nats`> like back drilling etc
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[23:31] <mikestir> I've just done a few big designs on dxdesigner over the last few months and man is it annoying, but it gets the job done
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[23:32] <mikestir> I think eagle has it right in terms of the way you drive the draughting
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[23:32] <nats`> for the moment I don't found my happiness in any schematic editor
[23:32] <nats`> but I don't really do "nice" schematic
[23:32] <nats`> I'm more concerned about layout
[23:33] <nats`> when you do the two it's always the point where you spend most of the time
[23:33] <mikestir> yeah I let someone else do the layout unless it's a home job
[23:33] <mikestir> or we're really busy
[23:33] <nats`> anyway for kicad my advice is stick with a stable re=lease for now
[23:33] <nats`> you don't have the full push and shove
[23:34] <nats`> but at least you have the dynamic drc
[23:34] <nats`> so you can't make short circuit when routing
[23:34] <nats`> trace you're routing automagically take the good shape
[23:34] <mikestir> I think I'll miss the live forward/back-annotation that eagle has
[23:34] <nats`> uhhhmmm that's exactly what I hate
[23:34] <nats`> I always work in forward annotation only even in mentor
[23:35] <nats`> I only autorise it for pcb stackup and via definition
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[23:35] <mikestir> yeah it's more the auto-highlighting of nets/parts in schematic that I use in the back direction
[23:35] <nats`> it works in kicad :)
[23:36] <nats`> when you select a part in one it centers it on the other window
[23:36] <nats`> :)
[23:37] <mikestir> oh well that's a start then. I'll take a look over the christmas holiday I think. really I'd like to start again with my own pcb library because so many of the eagle parts have crappy footprints
[23:37] <mikestir> e.g. for my little ARM tracker I replaced all the standard eagle R's and C's with new footprints based on the IPC nominal dimensions and managed to place them about 50% closer together
[23:38] <mattbrejza> i did note that the keepout box is too big
[23:38] <nats`> eagle footprint are a joke
[23:38] <nats`> I can fit a 0805 in a 0603
[23:38] <mikestir> yeah they're signficantly bigger even than the "most" IPC profile
[23:38] <nats`> anyway be prepared to redo all you need in kicad
[23:39] <nats`> I can help on taht point I already have some stuff
[23:39] <nats`> I should update my github lib
[23:40] <mattbrejza> mikestir: got a link to the guidelines?
[23:40] <mikestir> its libraries are all text based aren't they? so I could auto generate passives in python or something?
[23:40] <mattbrejza> eagles are now xml
[23:40] <mikestir> mattbrejza: there is a windows tool that has something to do with mentor graphics but is (amazingly) free. let me see if I can find it
[23:41] <nats`> mikestir I did some python script
[23:41] <nats`> but they are buggy
[23:41] <mikestir> the actual IPC spec is only available by joining some trade organisation
[23:41] <nats`> and like I said they love changing file format those last month
[23:41] <mattbrejza> :(
[23:41] <nats`> so I wouldn't use them anymore
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[23:41] <nats`> mattbrejza search for pdf on chinese website
[23:41] <mattbrejza> IPC-7351? google has as source
[23:41] <mikestir> sounds about right
[23:41] <mattbrejza> .ru ;)
[23:41] <nats`> almost all EMS have some open ftp with all standard on them
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[23:42] <mattbrejza> someone could have spell checked this though: "Manufacturing dimensions of SOIC's."
[23:43] <nats`> ?
[23:43] <mattbrejza> SOIC's
[23:43] <mattbrejza> grammar rather
[23:43] <nats`> sorry english is not my native language so... I don't get it :D
[23:44] <mattbrejza> should be SOICs
[23:45] <mattbrejza> you dont put a "'" for the plural of acromns
[23:46] <nats`> oky :)
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[23:48] <mikestir> I agree with you 100% mattbrejza but isn't there a school of thought that argues it's for the missing letters?
[23:48] <mattbrejza> there are no letters missing in SOICs like there's in there's
[23:49] <mikestir> yeah I think the argument is that it's C[ircuit]s
[23:49] <mattbrejza> anyway, looks like some reading of that document
[23:50] <mikestir> I'm struggling to find that tool. I've got it on a VM here - it's called Mentor Graphics IPC-7351 LP VIewer - but I can't find it on the web
[23:50] <mikestir> it might be this: http://www.pads.com/downloads/lp-viewer-download/
[23:50] <Myself> http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/apostrophes_show_plural_of_abbreviations.htm
[23:51] <mattbrejza> that tool looks like itll make my life somewhat easier
[23:51] <mikestir> yeah it must be that one because there's a 75MB zip on the desktop of this VM, and that's how big it says it is
[23:51] <mattbrejza> although the eagle land patterns do aid hand soldering ;)
[23:52] <nats`> I use lp wizard to make mentor and eagle footprint
[23:52] <nats`> it really makes that easy
[23:52] <mattbrejza> 'An email has been sent to you with a link...' darn
[23:52] <mattbrejza> lets try this again
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[23:53] <mikestir> this is mentor we're talking about - you didn't seriously expect it to let you have it without a fight?
[23:54] <mattbrejza> darn cookies
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[23:58] <mikestir> mattbrejza: re hand soldering - I actually found the smaller lands made it easier because it seemed less inclined to tombstone
[23:59] <mikestir> that was with 0402 as well
[23:59] <mattbrejza> hmm probably depends on how you hand solder
[23:59] <mattbrejza> anyway, my main concern is usually space
[23:59] <mikestir> well the eagle footprints are nowhere near optimal for space
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