highaltitude.log.20141204

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[00:09] <Laurenceb> i still dont understand the 100day stuff
[00:09] <Laurenceb> id try for 10 years
[00:09] <Laurenceb> or 20 :P
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[00:37] <SpeedEvil> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es504038a?source=cen
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> new ballooning threat
[00:38] Action: Laurenceb wonders about lighter than air lifeforms
[00:38] <Laurenceb> dont see why its impossible in principle
[00:38] <Laurenceb> a hydrogen filled snake thing...
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[00:40] <SpeedEvil> scaling is a problem of course
[00:41] <SpeedEvil> And diffusion, I guess
[00:41] <englishman> go find a hydrogen tank and a lizard and publish your results Laurenceb
[00:41] <Laurenceb> i guess evolutionary processes dont work very well for that
[00:42] <Laurenceb> you end up with a useless life form before it gets towards something useful
[00:42] <SpeedEvil> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzL_wyMahU
[00:42] <Laurenceb> same reason there are no life forms with wheels
[00:42] <SpeedEvil> Or eyes
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> (yes, I know, partially useful eyes are useful, so you actually get them)
[00:43] <Laurenceb> yeah thats my point
[00:43] <englishman> maybe if roads had been around for millions of years and there was significant evolutionary pressure to favour wheels
[00:43] <Laurenceb> GM to the rescue
[00:43] <SpeedEvil> That only works if partial wheels are an evolutionary advantage
[00:44] <Laurenceb> kick start a hydrogen filled worm and wait a few million years
[00:44] <SpeedEvil> gears occur in nature though
[00:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/the-first-gear-discovered-in-nature-15916433 - leg synchronisation
[00:45] Action: Laurenceb zzz
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> night
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[09:02] <cm13g09> craag: Does theRealSIbot not respond to PM?
[09:03] <Darkside> 8 inches
[09:03] <Darkside> hrm
[09:03] <Darkside> 8in
[09:04] <cm13g09> Oh...
[09:04] <cm13g09> 20 feet
[09:04] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 20 ft = 6.10 m
[09:04] <cm13g09> it doesn't do inches Darkside
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[09:21] <BoSS> Launch is iminent for BoSS!!
[09:21] Nick change: BoSS -> Guest66548
[09:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah right +ve values of ISH then!
[09:28] <edmoore> like a BoSS
[09:29] <fsphil> Orion's launch shortly too. They may get slightly higher altitude
[09:29] <Darkside> shorly?
[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> and a bit quicker I suspect!
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[09:30] <Darkside> ahh its still 3 hours away
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[09:31] <DutchMillbt> !flight BoSS
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Flight 10(9c63): 03Stowe School Launch 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:30 from 03Buckinghamshire, UK 10(52.03168,-1.0183)
[09:31] <DutchMillbt> !dial BoSS
[09:31] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03BoSS 10(9c63): none
[09:33] <x-f> !flight Orion
[09:33] <SpacenearUS> 03x-f: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:33] <x-f> meh.
[09:33] <edmoore> someone ought to tell them
[09:33] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION/2013-12-01 :)
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> you need space.far.from.us
[09:34] <x-f> i tracked that Orion!
[09:35] <fsphil> just over a year ago now
[09:35] <x-f> fsphil, a year has passed, will you launch Ariane soon?
[09:35] <fsphil> oooh good idea
[09:35] <DutchMillbt> Goodmoring is the BoSS crew in the house?
[09:36] <Guest66548> Yes we are here
[09:37] <edmoore> Guest66548, could you change your nick?
[09:37] <DutchMillbt> Moring what's BoSS frequency?
[09:37] <edmoore> you can do it by typing '/nick BoSS'
[09:37] <edmoore> it'll help people spot you to ask questions/provide info
[09:37] <fsphil> I think boss is already registered
[09:37] <x-f> BoSS is probably registered nickname, that's why he's Guest now
[09:37] <edmoore> well, /nick likeaBoSS then
[09:38] <fsphil> he got .. fired
[09:38] Nick change: Guest66548 -> likeaBoSS
[09:38] <fsphil> haha
[09:38] <x-f> :>
[09:38] <fsphil> excellent
[09:38] <likeaBoSS> Our frequency is 434.5 mHZ
[09:39] <edmoore> :)
[09:39] <edmoore> MHz
[09:39] <edmoore> mHZ is a bit low for most radios
[09:39] <DutchMillbt> likeaBoSS Oke thankz keep an eye on it
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[09:41] <likeaBoSS> Mega hertz, sorry
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[09:43] <DutchMillbt> likeaBoSS is it a floater or a 'popper' flight?
[09:44] <likeaBoSS> We're a popper
[09:44] <x-f> ("popper flight" should be a new entry in Ukhas glossary)
[09:45] <fsphil> are they not all technically floaters
[09:45] <edmoore> equilibroons
[09:46] <fsphil> balanced is the force in these
[09:48] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03BoSS after 0316 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=BoSS
[09:49] <gonzo___> the force is neutral in this one, you have taught him well Obeewun
[09:49] <fsphil> lz1dev: can the welcome panel on the right be hidden?
[09:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yes just select the Ballon top left
[09:49] <gonzo___> the icons on the top right seem to ctrl the panel
[09:50] <gonzo___> the balloon one brings up the map
[09:50] <fsphil> oh yes that did it. I was looking for an >> icon
[09:50] <likeaBoSS> Flight Doc ID 22252b68342ff35a4e91aff07a2199c63
[09:50] <gonzo___> me too, but found it by randon clicking everuythin in sight
[09:51] <likeaBoSS> Expected launch time 10:30 am
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[09:52] <craag> cm13g09: It does not. It's really quite simple and just intended to aggravate our friends across the pond who use feet for altitude
[09:52] <fsphil> interesting prediction. south west first, then turning
[09:54] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial boss
[09:54] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03BoSS 10(9c63): none
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[10:02] <gonzo___> I like the OS map option
[10:02] Nick change: gonzo___ -> gonzo_
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[10:22] <day> ping B-64
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[10:22] Action: Oddstr13 hands day a «!»
[10:22] <day> !ping B-64
[10:22] <SpacenearUS> 03day: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0311 days ago
[10:24] <fsphil> I like the « and » characters. they're not used nearly enough in english
[10:25] <Oddstr13> I'm so fortunate that I have them on my keyboardlayout when booted into Linux
[10:25] <Oddstr13> altgr+z / x
[10:26] <Oddstr13> they look way better as quotation than the " and '
[10:26] <Oddstr13> then there's   too :P
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[10:27] <fsphil> fancy
[10:28] <lz1dev> fsphil: the panels are basically the pages from the top menu
[10:28] <lz1dev> they become panels only if you have a wide enough screeen
[10:28] <gonzo_> a keyboard key I've never ysed!
[10:29] <gonzo_> That and scroll lock
[10:29] <gonzo_> (and the windowsy key)
[10:31] <day> fsphil: i like the ° character
[10:31] <day> also the µ
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[10:31] <day> no idea why the us layout doesnt have them...especially the °.
[10:31] <fsphil> has anyone ever used SysRq?
[10:32] <fsphil> I think I've used scroll lock once
[10:32] <fsphil> and it actually did stop something scrolling
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[10:32] <gonzo_> only because the prtscn is on the same key
[10:33] <Oddstr13> fsphil: yep, i've used sysrq
[10:33] <fsphil> "a key on keyboards for PCs that has no standard use"
[10:34] <fsphil> seems to be mostly used for debugging
[10:34] <Oddstr13> I've used it for forcefull reboot after syncing drives
[10:34] <daveake> On cheapo Lenovo PCs, the function keys also do volume control etc. Guess which is the default.
[10:34] <fsphil> :(
[10:34] <fsphil> I hate that
[10:35] <daveake> I hate it enough to buy them (customers) a proper keyboard
[10:35] <Oddstr13> http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/sysrq.htm
[10:35] <fsphil> and I bet it doesn't remember across reboots
[10:35] <daveake> nope
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[10:35] <daveake> There might e a setting somewhere; I've not looked
[10:35] <Oddstr13> no bios settings for it or something?
[10:35] <daveake> Pass
[10:36] <daveake> Might well be; I'll check next time
[10:36] <gonzo_> just vtake your own with you
[10:36] <daveake> I do
[10:36] <daveake> They're horrible keyboards anyway
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[10:38] <gonzo_> we had of the roll up/flexy ones ages ago. It had suckers on the base, like the old anti slip bath mats that your gran had.
[10:39] <gonzo_> I was so ammused with the sound/feel of tearing it off the desk, I did it lots and broke it
[10:39] <daveake> hah
[10:39] <gonzo_> (was crap to use anyway)
[10:39] <daveake> I bought one ages ago for the chase car
[10:39] <daveake> that didn't work out
[10:39] <daveake> Now use a little thing designed for controlling media players. Works well.
[10:39] <fsphil> keyboards and cars don't mix well
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[10:41] <Oddstr13> sure they do, laptop keyboards :P
[10:41] <Oddstr13> I like the one in my emachines E620
[10:41] <gonzo_> with a laptop in a standard car cabin, you realise just how little personal space you have.
[10:42] <fsphil> yea
[10:42] <gonzo_> (not bthat you would have a std car as a chase car!)
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[10:42] <daveake> [09:51:12] Expected launch time 10:30 am
[10:42] <daveake> Ah good ISH is alive and well
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[10:43] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[10:43] <daveake> gonzo_ Indeed - size matters :)
[10:43] <daveake> Speaking of which, MOT tomorrow. Hopefully they'll turn a blind eye to the ABS light
[10:44] <Geoff-G8DHE_> You'll be lucky if they do!
[10:44] <daveake> I was strangely lucky last time ...
[10:45] <gonzo_> I used to haev fun with the old range roiver
[10:46] <gonzo_> it had an abs unit fitted that was different from the std one for that build. So the lamp did not do what their crib sheet said
[10:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> hehe http://tinyurl.com/pfkwrye
[10:47] <gonzo_> (you could just disconnect the lamp feed and put a timer in it's place)
[10:47] <gonzo_> or wire it to some other lamp that doies a lamp test on buootup
[10:47] <daveake> yup
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Flying
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[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> maybe it isn't
[10:49] <daveake> :)
[10:49] <fsphil> I should probably clear the old data before they launch
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Its gone in the right direction but then ....
[10:49] <fsphil> ah spacenear is redirecting now
[10:51] <fsphil> yea it's in the air
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yup another fix
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[10:55] <daveake> fsphil You opened spacenear ??? :p
[10:56] <fsphil> always do :)
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[10:56] <fsphil> habit
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[10:57] <fsphil> removed the old telemetry
[10:57] <craag> !dial BoSS
[10:57] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Latest dials for 03BoSS 10(9c63): 03434.50068 MHz
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah its 7bit not 8bit data
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !flight boss
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Flight 10(9c63): 03Stowe School Launch 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:30 from 03Buckinghamshire, UK 10(52.03168,-1.0183)
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[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !payload boss
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Payload 03BoSS 10(9c63) 03$$BoSS - 03LMT2 - 03434.5 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/500Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its 7bit not 8bit
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !dial boss
[10:59] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE_: Latest dials for 03BoSS 10(9c63): 03434.50004 MHz, 434.50068 MHz, 434.50072 MHz
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[11:06] <likeaBoSS> At 10:49 BoSS was successfully launched!!!
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[11:08] <fsphil> an hour ahead of nasa too
[11:08] <fsphil> likeaBoSS: is the signal 7-bit or 8-bit ascii?
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[11:09] <likeaBoSS> 7-bit
[11:10] <fsphil> ah. the payload document is saying 8-bit
[11:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> I wonder if dl-fldigi feeds back more than the freq., like RTTY /mode settings, it could update like the !dial
[11:16] <x-f> http://www.spaceflight101live.com/orion-eft-1.html - Orion launch stream etc
[11:21] <edmoore> when time gmt is the launch?
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[11:22] <x-f> 12:05
[11:25] <Oddstr13> what is the difference between the blue and the green ring?
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 0° and 5° horizons
[11:29] <Oddstr13> okay
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Dodge_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Dodge_chase
[11:31] <gonzo_> have the range rings gone from the habhub version?
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[11:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Stowe_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Stowe_chase
[11:35] <Oddstr13> at what altitude is BoSS set to popp?
[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03The_BoSS_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=The_BoSS_chase
[11:36] <Oddstr13> gonzo_: i'm seing range rings with ?focus=BoSS on the mobile tracker
[11:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03StormChasers_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=StormChasers_chase
[11:39] <Oddstr13> !dial boss
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> 03Oddstr13: Latest dials for 03BoSS 10(9c63): 03434.50068 MHz, 434.5008 MHz, 434.5 MHz, 434.499851 MHz, 434.449 MHz, 434.45 MHz, 434.500827 MHz, 434.5001 MHz, 434.50072 MHz
[11:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Suckitedd_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Suckitedd_chase
[11:40] <fsphil> hmm
[11:40] <DutchMillbt> Whow a chase car armada ..
[11:40] <gonzo_> can I set the focus by clicking on summut, or have to force it at the url?
[11:41] <Oddstr13> duno
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Click the flight list entry
[11:41] <fsphil> really bad noise on 434.500 here, doubt I'll receive this one
[11:41] <fsphil> although I can see it on the waterfall
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its quite strong for me
[11:42] <fsphil> shift is about 440hz
[11:43] <pc1pcl> hmm, hearing/seeing a strong signal at 434.500 but doesn't seem the usual rtty. issue at my end (looking at QRM instead of BoSS), or is the signal different than what I got used to?
[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/BOSS_20141204/index.php?ind=3
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[11:44] <gonzo__> it looks like good old fashioned rtty
[11:45] <DutchMillbt> pc1pcl it's 7-bit N2
[11:45] <Oddstr13> is it a solid signal, or is it in bursts?
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[11:45] <pc1pcl> yeah, likely some qrm right over it then. I see one wavy line on hte WF and a stronger straight line where I guess the other wavy line would be.
[11:46] <Maxell> pc1pcl: qrm too @ 434.5 revspace
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> its lost lock
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> above 17Km
[11:46] <DutchMillbt> airborne mode?
[11:47] <UpuWork> its habduino so unless they have messed with the code...
[11:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ah its back
[11:47] <Oddstr13> not seeing anything on CheshireSDR yet
[11:47] <pc1pcl> worse on the yagi, so probably coming from The Hague centre.. Maxell:we might try a crude cross-direction finding.
[11:48] <Darkside> hrm
[11:48] <Darkside> no-go - fouled range
[11:48] <DutchMillbt> pc1pcl no QRM signal @sGravenzande
[11:49] <gonzo__> gps back now
[11:49] <Maxell> pc1pcl: no yagi @ revspace or home
[11:49] <pc1pcl> The village of DH is just between my QTH and the UK so bound the be somethinng from there
[11:50] <pc1pcl> sounds like mindless beeps :(
[11:51] <DutchMillbt> Mogu Maxell
[11:51] <craag> Is on the suws websdr but fadey
[11:52] <Maxell> pc1pcl: DutchMillbt: this is how it looks http://i.sigio.nl/aedaa2be8157e45ac0265ac8f4acc3b2.png
[11:52] <pc1pcl> yeah I getting some pretty ok signals using 'cw' filter and shifting the noise out of the band.
[11:52] <pc1pcl> still reds though
[11:53] <DutchMillbt> Maxell Archhh .. looks bad
[11:53] <prog> hi folks
[11:54] <Oddstr13> craag: link?
[11:54] <craag> Oddstr13: http://websdr.suws.org.uk/
[11:54] <craag> A bit of QRM has popped up though :/
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[11:57] <Maxell> argh 7 bits not 8 bits
[11:57] <Maxell> how can you mix that up in the flight doc?!
[11:57] <craag> Maxell: Happens... I've done it :P
[11:58] <Maxell> Now we have greens :) "$$BoSS,612,11:58:03,52.131884,-0.971361,20452,5,2,2734,00*9DC4"
[11:58] <Maxell> craag: >:(
[11:59] <prog> the airspies are on sale again
[11:59] <pc1pcl> still just near greens here, damn beeper.
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[12:00] <Maxell> Sale? Normal price is not ¬200,- ?
[12:01] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TheGreat_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TheGreat_chase
[12:01] <Maxell> pc1pcl: yeah lots of red now here
[12:01] <Oddstr13> http://www.cheshiresdr.co.uk/ @ 434.430 ?
[12:01] <prog> not "rebate"
[12:02] <prog> selling at the original price
[12:02] <pc1pcl> one green, two green three green..
[12:02] <prog> $199
[12:02] <prog> a few extra bits of resolution won't hurt
[12:02] <pc1pcl> I think jammer is now gone..
[12:02] <Maxell> oh, yes, USD :)
[12:03] <Maxell> prog: but what will the "non-sale" price be?
[12:03] <prog> sorry, wording problem
[12:04] <prog> they are "available" again
[12:04] <Oddstr13> now, if only fldigi would start
[12:04] <prog> I'm trying to keep the price as low as possible
[12:05] <prog> otherwise wait for Itead's black friday hehehe
[12:08] <Oddstr13> yep, that sounds like RTTY on the CheshireSDR, seems to be off frequency a bit
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> NASA stream seems a bit overloaded!
[12:13] <Darkside> http://www.spaceflight101live.com/orion-eft-1.html
[12:13] <Darkside> this is working a bit better
[12:13] <pc1pcl> bleh qrm is back.
[12:16] <DrLuke> if you have linux, you can use livestreamer
[12:16] <DrLuke> to view the stream in your favourite viewer
[12:16] <DrLuke> even in 60 fps :)
[12:25] <db_g6gzh> Payloads have been known to disappear from Raunds; good job the chase cars are nearby 8-)
[12:29] <fsphil> getting a good signal from BoSS now
[12:29] <fsphil> it's da boss
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[12:31] <Oddstr13> welp, my laptop is getting DoS'd by the map now
[12:32] <Oddstr13> 100% CPU usage from just the mobile tracker
[12:33] <fsphil> nasa tv has totally died for me
[12:34] <daveake> They're recommending people use the mobile version
[12:34] <daveake> Sounds familiar
[12:34] <daveake> http://www.spaceflight101live.com/orion-eft-1.html works for me
[12:34] <fsphil> ah the nasa.gov page has switched to ustream
[12:35] <fsphil> it's almost as if the internet wasn't designed for broadcasting
[12:35] <lz1dev> it wasn't
[12:35] <fsphil> I know :p
[12:35] <craag> Oddstr13: http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/?vehicles=BoSS
[12:36] <fsphil> oh BoSS got fired
[12:36] <fsphil> on the way down
[12:36] <fsphil> being downsized
[12:38] <gonzo__> let go of?
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Oh blimey DPD deliveries now tell you the Drivers name as well as the time and drop number!
[12:41] <Miek> i spent most of yesterday cheering on Kevin since Derek the day before did such a poor job
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Mines doing drop 12 and I'm 65 2Hrs 30mins togo!
[12:42] <fsphil> signal lost here, good luck with the recovery!
[12:45] <db_g6gzh> I tend to forget how far away you are ... still 11° elevation from here
[12:47] <fsphil> yea it didn't get above 1.5 for me
[12:49] <fsphil> there's always one over-excited "Go!"
[12:49] <daveake> :)
[12:50] <lz1dev> what is nasa about to launch atm?
[12:50] <daveake> I watched a shuttle launch in 2009 and it was a real buzz to here all the "Go!"'s :)
[12:50] <daveake> hear
[12:51] <fsphil> it's launching an unmanned crew module
[12:51] <fsphil> apollo's big brother
[12:52] <gonzo__> not heard what launcher they are using
[12:52] <gonzo__> the intended one is noit built yet
[12:52] <Darkside> man
[12:52] <Darkside> again
[12:52] <fsphil> this one is a delta
[12:52] <fsphil> delta 4 heavy
[12:52] <UpuWork> it does look remarkably like a Saturn with an Apollo on it
[12:53] <gonzo__> we used to listen to the main controlers comms loop on inmarsat
[12:53] <UpuWork> Saturn 1B
[12:53] <gonzo__> that was rivveting
[12:53] <fsphil> aww abort
[12:53] <UpuWork> oh just saw the boosters
[12:53] <UpuWork> ignore me
[12:53] <Darkside> UpuWork: it does look like it from the side
[12:54] <fsphil> yea that current shot
[12:54] <gonzo__> hearing the final poll aroung was an edge of seat moment
[12:54] <daveake> yup
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[12:54] <anerdev2> hi guys :) anyone there ?
[12:54] <gonzo__> supprising that the lingo all soiunds exactly the same as apollo days
[12:55] <gonzo__> about 188 of us here
[12:55] <fsphil> mostly bots and ghosts
[12:56] <fsphil> not sure which I am
[12:56] <daveake> so hard to tell sometimes
[12:56] <fsphil> maybe a robot ghost
[12:56] <gonzo__> I never counted myself as being all there, hence the uncertanty of the number
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> has anyone thought about 6LoWPAN?
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> http://openlabs.co/blog/archives/1-6LoWPAN-kernel-on-a-Raspberry-Pi
[12:57] <Laurenceb_> looks potentially useable
[12:57] <craag> Laurenceb_: Yes
[12:58] <craag> The link budget at the standard bitrates would require directional antennas
[12:58] <craag> But certainly doable
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[12:58] <daveake> They'd postpone fewer launches due to weather conditions if their meterologist wasn't called Winter
[12:58] <craag> more as an academic thing rather than making anything easier though
[12:58] <Laurenceb_> is there any documentation on supported spi devices?
[12:59] <craag> TI does a ton of them
[12:59] <Laurenceb_> i see at86rf232 is easy to use
[13:01] <craag> The CC1120 was used for a large 868MHz implementation currently running in scotland over distances of several km
[13:01] <Darkside> daveake: im not sure i want to use the game of thrones quote here
[13:01] <craag> At a reasonably high bitrate I think
[13:01] <Darkside> could be taken the wrong way
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[13:05] <db_g6gzh> looks like BoSS decided to go for the trees
[13:08] <fsphil> the tower looks like it was designed in minecraft
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> pity this is all NRND
[13:08] <Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1581?sc=stm32w
[13:13] <fsphil> "Forty Acre Wood" is not the ideal landing site
[13:14] <fsphil> not ustream is failing
[13:14] <fsphil> now*
[13:14] <craag> should use batc :P
[13:15] <fsphil> 215588 viewers. I suppose they're doing quite well
[13:17] <fsphil> here we go again
[13:17] <pc1pcl-qrl> L-7..
[13:19] <mattbrejza> go
[13:20] <mattbrejza> etc
[13:20] <mattbrejza> one had to be diffneret
[13:21] <fsphil> my video just jumped back about 1 minute
[13:22] <mattbrejza> lol
[13:22] <mattbrejza> L-4.30 here
[13:23] <fsphil> aaaaw
[13:23] <fsphil> aborted
[13:23] <pc1pcl-qrl> 't-4' +10 sec here
[13:23] <pc1pcl-qrl> t-4 and counting
[13:23] <daveake> ditto
[13:24] <Reb-SM0ULC> not flowing well for nasa today
[13:24] <daveake> 3:30 on the clock
[13:24] <fsphil> valve problem
[13:24] <mattbrejza> so who are they gonna send up to give it a whack?
[13:24] <daveake> they should be using transistors by now
[13:24] <fsphil> first person they find with a red shirt
[13:25] <daveake> I was on a plane once where we had to abort a takeoff due to hydraulic issue
[13:25] <daveake> and the engineer appeared to have nothing but a hammer
[13:26] <daveake> he did fix it though
[13:26] <x-f> maybe he had WD-40 in his pocket too
[13:26] <daveake> could be
[13:26] <daveake> a duct tape in the other
[13:26] <fsphil> duct tape in the other
[13:26] <fsphil> hah
[13:26] <x-f> hehe
[13:26] <pc1pcl-qrl> great minds..
[13:28] <x-f> "Anomaly Team"
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[13:34] <staylo_> led by Major Malfunction, presumably
[13:34] <fsphil> I think General Failure has retired now
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[13:45] <gonzo__> what timing!
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[13:55] <fsphil> http://hackaday.com/2014/12/04/serial-camera-courtesy-of-the-stm32f4/
[13:57] <fsphil> just needs a radio
[13:58] <fsphil> kickstarter, and quite expensive still
[13:58] <lz1dev> that could make it possible to do ssdv on andoinos
[13:58] <fsphil> already can with the existing serial cameras, though as they mention those are quite expensive
[13:58] <fsphil> this doesn't seem to be any cheaper
[13:59] <craag> I love the way he dodges the 'Open Source' question on the kickstarter page
[13:59] <craag> Actual answer: No
[14:00] <fsphil> hah yes
[14:00] <fsphil> they don't answer it
[14:01] <qyx_> expensive? they cost like $7
[14:01] <fsphil> http://www.adafruit.com/product/397
[14:02] <qyx_> at least ebay ov2640
[14:02] <qyx_> ah, nevermind
[14:02] <qyx_> you meant actual serial, not jpeg
[14:02] <fsphil> yea
[14:02] <fsphil> well jpeg over serial
[14:02] <qyx_> but for stm32 it doesn't matter
[14:02] <fsphil> exactly
[14:02] <qyx_> ti has dcmi camera interface
[14:02] <fsphil> though the trick will be compressing it as quick as the camera spits out the frame
[14:02] <qyx_> no, it is already compressed
[14:03] <qyx_> ov2640 has jpeg encoder built in and communicates over dcmi
[14:03] <fsphil> handy
[14:04] <qyx_> i ordered two of them and I am going to try if it works that way
[14:04] <qyx_> payload could be made under 15¬
[14:04] <qyx_> not counting battery
[14:04] <qyx_> and gps
[14:04] <qyx_> and radio :P
[14:05] <fsphil> but other than that :)
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[14:06] <craag> openmv2 is a cheap implementation of the ov2640
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[14:13] <SpeedEvil> from memory, you need to read the whole frame in a short time - 1/30th of a second or so - whatever the rolling shutter time is
[14:13] <SpeedEvil> the camera has 'no' memory and slowing down means it no workee
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> admittedly - that's now reading it in jpeg not raw, so you need a little less storage
[14:14] <nats`> there is no buffer stage ?
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> no
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes
[14:15] <nats`> so either you read it fast or you can correct it in software if you want to sacrifice some line
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> but the buffer stage is the hue subblock
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> so 16 lines
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> IIRC
[14:17] <qyx_> stm32 & dma should be able to handle it
[14:17] <qyx_> up to its sram size
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> I had a project to do this, but it stalled
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> Basically connect a DRAM to the camera output
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> Setup the DRAM for a page, now connect the DRAM data inputs to the camera data output, and simply clock for a whole line - reading the data into a page.
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> re-setup the DRAM for another page, and repeat
[14:19] <nats`> take a cypress fifo ?
[14:19] <nats`> or maybe a celular ram
[14:20] <nats`> easy as sram but cheaper
[14:20] <nats`> (it's dram with all the circuit inside to keep it refreshed)
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[14:20] <SpeedEvil> I was doing it DRAM in software
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> it's not that bad
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> on a teeny stm32 with not enough pins and multiplexing
[14:22] <nats`> yep but you're crazy :D
[14:23] <Laurenceb_> which CRC is used for the ukhas protocol?
[14:23] <craag> crc16-ccitt
[14:24] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[14:24] <pc1pcl-qrl> http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/crc-calculation.html
[14:24] <pc1pcl-qrl> it's one of those, so if you want you can use that to verify you did the implementaiton right.
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> im using an si446x :D
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> ill trust it does it correctly
[14:27] <pc1pcl-qrl> anyway it's CRC-CCITT (0xFFFF) and taken over the string between (exclusive on both ends) $$ and *
[14:29] <adamgreig> http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ukhas_parser.html#checksum-algorithms
[14:29] <adamgreig> it's polynomial 0x1021 and start value 0xFFFF with no inversion
[14:29] <adamgreig> CRC16-CCITT should but doesn't actually specify it fully
[14:31] <pc1pcl-qrl> Yup, To check if you got the right checksum for e.g. "$$BoSS,547,11:43:51,52.081980,-1.040406,16610,6,5,2757,00*9E3F" you'd paste "BoSS,547,11:43:51,52.081980,-1.040406,16610,6,5,2757,00" (without quotes) into that online calculator and check that indeed 9E3F shows up behind CRC-CCITT (0xFFFF)
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[14:35] <adamgreig> boo
[14:35] <pc1pcl-qrl> scrub for the day.. 24h recycle..
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[15:03] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/lPoIsN7.jpg
[15:03] <pc1pcl-qrl> japanese...
[15:05] <pc1pcl-qrl> mostly katakana words based on English I think, so just reading it out loud would probably makeit understandble. Probably picture means more to Mac-people?
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> the interesting bit is ipad screen adaptor board
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> :P
[15:07] <pc1pcl-qrl> yeah, just noticed something looking less apple-slick being attached :)
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> That's the new 2015 look
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> all exposed circuitry and bare FPCs
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> pity the screens are too small
[15:08] <pc1pcl-qrl> so, this is some sort of detached screen pressed into service as a display for somethng else?
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> there is a solution
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> http://waxy.org/random/images/weblog/screens-brazil-20130711-152127.png
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> pc1pcl-qrl: just a DVI monitor
[15:11] <pc1pcl-qrl> hmm, looking closer, the white 'bezel' around the screen is also hacked on, I think ;)
[15:12] <pc1pcl-qrl> Anyway such a little adapter board is nice to give screens of otherwise crapped out laptops and the like a new chance..
[15:12] <fsphil> the wall-e solution
[15:13] <Laurenceb_> thats the idea
[15:14] <pc1pcl-qrl> wonder if it does just allow use as a display, or that the digitizer/touchscreen output is also available.
[15:14] <Laurenceb_> cuz laptop screens are so crap
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[15:33] <gonzo__> Have the BoSS chaps recovered yet?
[15:33] <gonzo__> hopefully it cleared that wood
[15:33] <edmoore> they've recovered like a boss
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[16:36] <chrisstubbs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1359959821/alcam-oem might make a neat ssdv payload
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[16:37] <chrisstubbs> if you can run your own code on the arm to interface with the camera and its not just a darn arduino shield
[16:38] <fsphil> we where just talking about this, looks like the firmware's all closed up
[16:38] <chrisstubbs> ahh
[16:38] <fsphil> craag mentioned https://github.com/iabdalkader/openmv / http://hackaday.io/post/3102
[16:38] <chrisstubbs> neato
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[16:40] <fsphil> the OV2640 does jpeg which is nice
[16:40] <fsphil> wouldn't even need the external ram
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[17:03] <kobold> is there someane from belgium in this group
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> so, no space today
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> weather scrub in Kourou
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[18:34] <Munrek> !ping B-64
[18:34] <SpacenearUS> 03Munrek: Last contact with 03B-64 was 0311 days ago
[18:34] <Munrek> :(
[18:34] <arko> i think it's time to call it
[18:35] <arko> :(
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> Leo did awesome work
[18:36] <arko> absolutely
[18:36] <arko> did something we thought wasn't even possible at an amatuer budget
[18:36] <arko> real engineering yo
[18:37] <Myself> and blew everyone's minds with how long it stayed up
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> what was the orbit count in the end?
[18:38] <fsphil> 0 :)
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[18:40] <Myself> Lunar_Lander: I count 8 crossings of its launching longitude, and it was very close to completing a ninth.
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
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[18:57] <pc1pcl> not a balloon, but pa0sny/AM QRV @7.185 USB en route Toulouse -> NL
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[19:28] <fsphil> reading up on new horizons, it won't be transmitting all for two weeks during the closest approach
[19:28] <fsphil> that's gonna be a scary time for everyone
[19:28] <fsphil> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/12031700-the-new-horizons-science.html
[19:29] <arko> why not?
[19:29] <fsphil> it can't point its dish at earth and keep the sensors on pluto
[19:29] <fsphil> at the same time
[19:29] <fsphil> and there's no low gain antenna
[19:30] <fsphil> oh sorry there is
[19:30] <arko> so they can keep contact as it does its thing?
[19:31] <fsphil> I'm not sure they can use the low gain one that far out
[19:31] <fsphil> I think it was only for when it was closer to earth
[19:31] <fsphil> "This antenna was used only for early mission phases near Earth, just after launch and for emergencies if the spacecraft had lost attitude control."
[19:31] <arko> damn
[19:32] <arko> figures
[19:32] <arko> well
[19:32] <arko> im actually kinda happy with this
[19:32] <arko> i want to have a big moment where all the images come down
[19:32] <arko> vs getting blurry image followed by better followed by better
[19:32] <fsphil> yea, and we'll have pretty good approach images
[19:32] <arko> perhaps it's the party man inside me
[19:32] <arko> i like big moments :P
[19:33] <arko> :D IM SO EXCITED
[19:33] <jcoxon> i look forward to the day they have a relay orbiting another planet which would help link the data back
[19:33] <jcoxon> that would be super cool
[19:33] <jcoxon> (not including hte mars stuff)
[19:33] <fsphil> mars needs a dedicated comms satellite - I want to see live video of a landing :)
[19:33] <fsphil> well, light-speed permitting
[19:34] <jcoxon> 'near to realtime'
[19:34] <arko> :)
[19:34] <arko> that would be cool
[19:34] <fsphil> lighttime
[19:35] <jcoxon> so lighttime is realtime+time to travel over distance
[19:35] <fsphil> the guys who programmed the software that aims new horizons have got to be nervous
[19:36] <arko> heh
[19:36] <arko> they are smart folks though
[19:36] <arko> hopefully things go well
[19:37] <arko> what an exciting time we live in
[19:37] <arko> we get to see a new planet (YEAH I SAID IT)
[19:37] <fsphil> boooo lol
[19:38] <fsphil> Mike Brown doesn't live that far from you, I'll send him over
[19:38] <arko> i met him actually
[19:38] <arko> really nice guy
[19:38] <fsphil> indeed
[19:38] <arko> he gave a talk at jpl years back
[19:38] <fsphil> he was in london just after 2013's conference, just missed him
[19:38] <arko> works at caltech if i recall correctly
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[19:53] <ChrisMostert> Hi guys, a while back we launched our first high altitude balloon, callsign: Meurs. We are trying to raise money to launch a mark two balloon, this time with enough helium :p
[19:53] <ChrisMostert> We created a kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1733068917/budget-high-altitude-balloon-photos-from-our-strat
[19:53] <ChrisMostert> If you'd like, sharing the page would mean a lot to us!
[19:54] <arko> cool
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[20:20] <amell> wow re snus finally being redirected.
[20:20] <amell> is there a way to get rid of the right hand panel?
[20:22] <amell> ping lz1dev
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[20:25] <daveake> click the balloon/globe top-left corner
[20:25] <daveake> Any of those icons in fact
[20:29] <amell> oh yeah. ok. ta. was kind of expecting a cross in the panel or something
[20:29] <lz1dev> yeah, its not immediatelly obvious
[20:30] <lz1dev> basically the pages from the menu become sidepanels if you have the screen space
[20:30] <lz1dev> should probably add a little button on the panel, so people don't feel stupid
[20:30] <amell> Thats ok, I feel very stupid :)
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[20:31] <amell> Distance: 241248.11 km Duration: 134d 9h
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[20:31] <amell> awesome.
[20:31] <lz1dev> there is visual que with the icon
[20:32] <lz1dev> but its not obvious since menu is on the left and panel on the right
[20:32] <lz1dev> probably need to move the menu on the right as well
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[21:14] <jarod> Any one has a clue what this is? http://x264.nl/dump/airspy/406.815mhz-2014-12-04.jpg
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[21:14] <fsphil> any doppler shift? could be a satellite
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[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> jarod, seen them here but no idea what it is, similar also are ones with several "bars" seperated by a few hundred KHz
[21:23] <jarod> fsphil no idea, its fixed steady on that freq
[21:23] <jarod> hmm ok
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[21:32] <amell> might be ET phoning home
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[21:38] <jarod> of course thats it
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[21:41] <Scott85> good evening
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[21:46] <Upu> evening
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[21:46] <qyx_> evening
[21:47] <Scott85> evening, I've got my tracker working and soldered all together now and just looking at boxes, parachutes and balloons on Random Aerospace
[21:48] <Scott85> what descent rate should I be aiming for? 8m/s seems to be good?
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[21:49] <Scott85> my payload will be 500g
[21:49] <Scott85> or very close to
[21:49] <daveake> 5m/s
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[21:49] <Oddstr13> jarod: you can check the sigidwiki, and see if there are any simmilar signals there, or if there isn't submit it as a unknown signal
[21:50] <Scott85> thanks daveake, will go with the 2ft parachute then
[21:50] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[21:50] <Scott85> which are the real units? :)
[21:51] <Oddstr13> the SI ones obviosly
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[21:55] <qyx_> i wouldnt be very happy if your 0.5kg box hits me at 8m/s
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[22:02] <Myself> Then don't stand under balloons!
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[22:24] <amell> im forever looking up to see if theres any payloads inbound.
[22:24] <amell> its quite worrying really
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[22:49] <mikestir> http://hackaday.com/2014/12/04/serial-camera-courtesy-of-the-stm32f4/
[22:49] <mikestir> fsphil ^^
[22:59] <amell> this is messed up. for some reason my pi wont set its default gateway
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