highaltitude.log.20141125

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[00:04] <Oddstr13> Dr_Dan: For that project, I'd use an Arduino instead of RPi
[00:04] <Oddstr13> Arduino with GPS and SD card
[00:05] <Dr_Dan> Can you suggest (send url) to a good quality GPS Shield?
[00:06] <Oddstr13> http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-GPS-Datalogger/
[00:06] <Dr_Dan> Ty
[00:06] <Oddstr13> Well, any GPS receiver that outputs serial NMEA data would work
[00:07] <Oddstr13> but, I have the shield from sparkfun lying around here somewhere, I've used that one while wardriving before :)
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[00:11] <Dr_Dan> I found a shield from AdaFruit that has SD card, GPS, clock battery. Have you seen it http://www.adafruit.com/products/1272
[00:15] <Oddstr13> Dr_Dan: havn't seen that one before, no, but if i needed a gps logger now, i'd take that one, as it includes the GPS and µSD on the same board
[00:15] <Oddstr13> also, optional external antenna is nice
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[00:16] <Dr_Dan> And RTC with clock battery
[00:16] <Oddstr13> RTC isn't that big a concern for me, as you get the time from the GPS anyway
[00:17] <Oddstr13> but, i guess it could be nice if you against all odds are compleetly out of gps coverage
[00:18] <Oddstr13> also, if you're buying an arduino, I would recommend the Uno over the Leonardo
[00:19] <Dr_Dan> I like the little breadboarding area so if you're experimenting with I/O theres a place for that
[00:19] <Oddstr13> I find the Leonardo annoying to work with, due to the resetting serial port
[00:19] <Oddstr13> indeed
[00:20] <Oddstr13> could easily fit stuff like humidity sensor, barometer and temperature on that prototyping area
[00:21] <Dr_Dan> I guess it uses the Adafruit GPS Library for arduinos
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[00:24] <Oddstr13> just a normal software serial connection
[00:29] <Dr_Dan> NMEA output i see.
[00:33] <craag> For GPS boards for both pi and arduino: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[00:35] <craag> Extreme precision timing with gps is easy using the PPS output
[00:36] <craag> 2m positional accuracy might be a bit harder to guarantee
[00:37] <Oddstr13> can't really guarantee that for GPS at all
[00:37] <Oddstr13> unless you're the U.S. millitary or allies
[00:38] <craag> nope, using ublox M8 with gps+glonass and a well-placed active antenna will get you closest you can I think.
[00:38] <Dr_Dan> Lol. Craag did you see my link above to Adafruit's new board with SD and GPS
[00:39] <Dr_Dan> It has a clock battery backup. Im assiming it keeps time when the system is not receiving gps updates
[00:39] <craag> Most of hab supplies gps breakouts have slots for the battery backup too
[00:40] <craag> It allows the gps to remember some of the gps satellite information as well as keeping time, and so gets a repeat lock a lot faster
[00:40] <craag> and more accurately in some cases
[00:41] <Oddstr13> ^
[00:41] <Oddstr13> ^^
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[00:47] <Dr_Dan> I likd the hab uBlox Max8 baord for r-pi. HAB-BO-M8Q3A-ASSY
[00:47] Action: Dr_Dan is a rpi fan
[00:48] <Oddstr13> hehe
[00:48] <Oddstr13> i have a copule of them lying on my table :P
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[00:48] <Oddstr13> and arduinos all over the place :P
[00:49] <Dr_Dan> I just completed an ADS-B (airplane tracker) project with one
[00:51] <Oddstr13> I should make one of mine do something like that :P
[00:51] <Dr_Dan> I found the write up here: http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/dump1090.html
[00:53] <Dr_Dan> I even made the little ( 7inch ) antenna called a J-Pole. It all works really well. I can see planes out to 120km in all directions with the antenna on he roof
[00:54] <Oddstr13> don't think i wana do ADS-B tho, something like APRS rather
[00:56] <Dr_Dan> APRS is cool. If theres a lot of mobiles in the area. Im in southern california and there are plenty
[00:58] <Oddstr13> http://aprs.fi/#!lat=62.60000&lng=9.66670 duno what's around here, but i see that there are a few on the map nearby
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[01:04] <Oddstr13> I have seen signals at 144.8 MHz, but I have yet to decode any
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[03:46] <hamiltron> hey folks, just joined the channel today
[03:46] <hamiltron> anyone have good resources/tutorials for raspberry pi or arduino controlled aerial photo?
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[03:48] <Ian_> Check the wiki in the first instance. UK members start showing up here around 0730z
[03:51] <hamiltron> thanks Ian_
[03:52] <hamiltron> i'm in NYC
[03:53] <Ian_> Welcome to the channel. Check out the wiki as there is a lot there. the philosophy seems to be that there is little off the shelf ready to go packages, but plenty of
[03:54] <Ian_> kit and rarer RF components from the likes of habsupplies. There is a lot of example code but the recommendation seems to be to cobble together some of it and.
[03:55] <Ian_> get it working properly, then throw it away and write your own from scratch. I have watched more than a couple of youths programming out loud (painful experience)
[03:56] <Ian_> as they struggle through some of the concepts, but notice how much they grow in just a few weeks as their questions are answered to get them over the programming speed bumps.
[03:57] <Ian_> A lot of newhabs start out with Arduino boards and migrate to the naked Atmega328p chips. Ublox 7 and more recently 8 series GPS are good to go
[03:58] <Ian_> Try not to mention Spot GPS devices or hand warmers as they will both get you laughed into a ditch somewhere. Pi boards have been used more recently but are seen to be power hungry beasts
[04:00] <Ian_> b-64 aka M0XER-4 on APRS launched from Silverstone UK on July 12 is currently on lap 9 of the northern hemisphere
[04:00] <Ian_> !whereis b-64
[04:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Ian_: 03B-64 was over 03South, Iceland 10(64.1198,-19.0706) at 0312451 meters about 03a day ago
[04:02] <Ian_> There you go hamiltron, Zeusbot knows all. I'm off to my bed as it's 4am here at the moment. Good hunting and buy in an Arduino Uno or two and a slack handful of 28pin Atmega328p-pu chips to keep you busy with projects.
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[04:04] <hamiltron> so awesome
[04:04] <hamiltron> thanks!
[04:04] <hamiltron> I have a good deal of experience with Arduino and Raspberry Pi
[04:04] <hamiltron> not at high altitude though ;)
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[04:09] <Ian_> The primary cell of choice is Ultimate Lithium which seems to chug along at near -40 degrees C when all other technologies have given up.
[04:10] <Ian_> Around UK and Europe you will see from http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/ that there has grown up in the last three or four years a community ground station receiver network.
[04:11] <Ian_> With the advent of the B-1 through B-66 flights in the last eighteen months or so, APRS has been used for that extended reach that 434MHz ISM band doesn't quite have.
[04:13] <Ian_> Now of course the AETH28-x Google Loon balloons are being tracked via APRS too. The map makes it look like B-64 is a demented slug with it's trail of success and the Loon balloons look like waves from invasion of the body snatchers.
[04:14] <Ian_> Take care, read well and enjoy. Speak with you again, but now I'm off for a little sleep. Gnite hamiltron.
[04:14] <hamiltron> thanks!!!
[04:14] <Ian_> de nada
[04:15] <hamiltron> look forward to chatting again!
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[06:23] <SpeedEvil> Err - did early B flights use APRS?
[06:23] <SpeedEvil> I thought that kicked in ~B20
[06:40] <Myself> hamiltron: Awesome nick, btw.
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[06:46] <SA6BSS> wonder if this is moxer 4 trying to start up https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26543754/Sk%C3%A4rmklipp.JPG
[07:04] <lz1dev> !aprs ping m0xer-4
[07:04] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest contact: 03M0XER-4 10(2 days ago)
[07:06] <lz1dev> no?
[07:07] <lz1dev> tbh mo0xer should reappear in the coming hours
[07:07] <lz1dev> should be hitting sunrise soon
[07:07] <lz1dev> actually that was yesterday
[07:08] <lz1dev> probably wondered too far north
[07:08] <lz1dev> no sun there :(
[07:08] <lz1dev> or flew passed sweden during the night, and it's over russia somewhere
[07:09] <lz1dev> !aprs add m0xer-4 IM_Back64
[07:09] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Added 03M0XER-4 as 10(IM_Back64) to APRS Importer
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[07:10] <Reb-SM3ULC> morrn
[07:11] <Reb-SM3ULC> SA6BSS: oh, might be right over us
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[07:14] <lz1dev> !aprs find SA6BSS
[07:14] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03SA6BSS was near 03Falköping V, Sweden 10(58.08533,13.51566) about 0311 hours ago - 12http://aprs.fi/SA6BSS
[07:14] <lz1dev> !aprs find SM3ULC
[07:14] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[07:14] <lz1dev> :{
[07:14] <SA6BSS> Reb-SM3ULC: japp, or slighly east from us
[07:14] <lz1dev> i think it's well pass sweden
[07:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> mm
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[07:15] Nick change: Reb-SM3ULC -> Reb-SM0ULC
[07:15] <Reb-SM0ULC> lz1dev: have had radio up and runing for some time, no passing ballooons
[07:17] <lz1dev> !aprs find SM0ULC
[07:17] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: No matches found
[07:17] <lz1dev> :)
[07:18] <lz1dev> probably went further north than the hysplit lead us to believe
[07:18] <lz1dev> should've showed up yesterday somewhere in europe
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[07:21] <SA6BSS> well the batteries dies around 17utc so it was dead when reached norway, so it passed NO and SE over night with dead bats and is probaly somware over baltic sea
[07:21] <hamiltron> !whereis b-64
[07:21] <SpacenearUS> 03hamiltron: 03B-64 was over 03South, Iceland 10(64.1198,-19.0706) at 0312451 meters about 032 days ago
[07:22] <jcoxon> its a bit odd about the AETH balloons - all seem to have disappeared again
[07:23] <lz1dev> idd
[07:23] <lz1dev> i wonder if they are not doing aprs over 144.8, or some wierd geofencing
[07:23] <lz1dev> !aprs ping aeth*
[07:23] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Latest contact: 03AETH31-1 10(2 hours ago), 03AETH28-3 10(2 days ago), 03AETH28-1 10(a day ago), 03AETH28-4 10(19 hours ago)
[07:24] <lz1dev> perhaps they have an alternative tracking method
[07:24] <jcoxon> all the ones that hit europe seem to appear over a period of 24hrs and then stop txing 24hrs later
[07:24] <jcoxon> lz1dev, yes possibly
[07:25] <jcoxon> who knows
[07:25] <jcoxon> bbl
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[08:08] <jededu> EDUPIC9 is up but its not parsing
[08:08] <jededu> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC9,13,08:03:54,5232.25352,-00154.53668,06,310.0,3,1.46*E2BB
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[08:15] <mikestir> is it a bug in the ddmm longitude parser that means it doesn't accept the extra leading zero?
[08:16] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC9 after 039 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC9
[08:19] <jededu> No mikestir wrong payload doc upu fixed it
[08:19] <UpuWork> well wouldn't go that far
[08:19] <jededu> lol
[08:19] <mikestir> just going to get this set up tracking before I go to work
[08:20] <mikestir> seeing as it seems to be coming up this way again
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[08:22] <jededu> Dont think its going anywhere its very quiet
[08:23] <fsphil> the signal's quiet?
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[08:24] <jededu> Think it had a sleep :)
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[08:26] <fsphil> wish I could :)
[08:27] <mikestir> could do with some pips on it
[08:28] <jededu> Ok next time ill try pips
[08:29] <jededu> It had pips once RTC didn't like it
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[08:59] <UpuWork> !dial EDUPIC9
[08:59] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.2742 MHz
[08:59] <SpacenearUS> 03UpuWork: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
[09:00] <craag> !flights
[09:00] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: Current flights: 03EDUPIC9 duration test 10(3c4f), 03EDUPIC9 duration test 10(95b8), 03EDUPICM8 duration test 10(29b3), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[09:01] <fsphil> hmm this one might just get within range of me too
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[09:07] <jededu> Spoilt fsphil
[09:08] <Ron_G8FJG> can see Edupic9 on 434,274700 no decodes yet ,,,, still -0.5 deg
[09:08] <fsphil> yes you'll have to make it harder
[09:08] <fsphil> 300 baud :)
[09:11] <MaXimaN> Nothing here yet. It's a little too close to my epic QRM at .225
[09:11] <MaXimaN> jededu: RTC?
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[09:15] <jededu> Real Time lock
[09:15] <jededu> Clock
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[09:16] <amell> no sign of edupic9 here. shame.
[09:17] <jededu> Still time amell its only at 2km
[09:17] <amell> jededu: congrats on reaching the ruskis with 8
[09:17] <jededu> Thx :)
[09:18] <amell> not bad at all for a battery lol
[09:18] <amell> are you trying to emulate the bodnar? building up to a solar panel
[09:20] <amell> Im a bit surprised we havent heard from B-64 yet. It should be in coverage.
[09:20] <edmoore> maybe it died
[09:20] <edmoore> maybe elements
[09:20] <edmoore> maybe 'should' is a dangerous word in engineering
[09:20] <MaXimaN> radiation event
[09:20] <edmoore> all of these are possible
[09:20] <daveake> aliens
[09:21] <amell> it should be over denmark, southern norway/sweden now.
[09:21] <MaXimaN> aggresive moves by russian reconnaissance planes
[09:21] <edmoore> again with the should
[09:22] <MaXimaN> No. It SHOULD be over my house so I can receive it. But is it? NO.
[09:22] <amell> it would be a little bit of a shame if it didnt report in, because it almost started lap 10.
[09:22] <edmoore> it's actually a banned word at work, unless you can quantitatively show the p>0.5 you can't use it in writing
[09:22] <amell> should or could?
[09:22] <edmoore> should
[09:22] <daveake> should should be
[09:22] <edmoore> could is p>0
[09:22] <daveake> oops
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[09:26] <Upu> is this RTTY 100 jededu ?
[09:26] <jededu> Yes upu
[09:27] <jededu> amell the solar board is ready but no point it would just dissapear out of range
[09:28] <UpuWork> ah yes VAC funnyness
[09:28] <amell> jededu: isnt that the idea - it loops the earth ad infinitum.
[09:28] <amell> Need to pick 434.JED
[09:28] <jededu> As long as you can track it
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[09:28] <jededu> lol
[09:28] <amell> jededu: do you do aprs geofence?
[09:29] <jededu> No licence :/
[09:29] <amell> ah, well maybe someone will lend you their callsign?
[09:30] <jededu> At the moment im looking at dominoex
[09:30] <edmoore> amell, no
[09:30] <edmoore> no.
[09:30] <amell> no
[09:30] <lz1dev> no?
[09:30] <jededu> mm
[09:30] <amell> its a NO
[09:30] <lz1dev> yes
[09:30] <daveake> should be
[09:30] <amell> cos ed said its no.
[09:31] <SV1NJX> Hello guys. This AETH series balloons from US, are transmitting aprs in 144.390 ?
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[09:32] <edmoore> https://i.imgflip.com/ejy9v.jpg
[09:32] <lz1dev> SV1NJX: no clue :D
[09:32] <amell> edmoore: well done for taking time out of your busy day to create that
[09:32] <SV1NJX> :-[
[09:32] <jededu> Like it edmoore
[09:32] <lz1dev> the interenet is better place
[09:32] <lz1dev> now
[09:33] <edmoore> i have it on speed-dial
[09:33] <jededu> Need to get my own
[09:33] <fsphil> one does not photoshop a meme anymore
[09:33] <fsphil> there are websites for it
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[09:34] <edmoore> yes - it takes about 4 seconds
[09:34] <lz1dev> meme as a service
[09:34] <lz1dev> someone make it
[09:34] <edmoore> it exists
[09:34] <edmoore> it's how I communicate
[09:34] <lz1dev> needs resful api
[09:34] <edmoore> with passive-agressive images
[09:35] <edmoore> more constructive: http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/art-insight-science-and-engineering
[09:35] <edmoore> free download on the left
[09:35] <mfa298> the bot needs a !meme command
[09:36] <lz1dev> no.
[09:36] <Darkside> yes!
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[09:36] <Darkside> the most important of features
[09:37] <amell> the answer is still no
[09:37] <mikestir> !dial edupic(
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03mikestir: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[09:37] <mikestir> stupid vnc
[09:37] <amell> !dial edupic9
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.2738 MHz, 434.2742 MHz
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
[09:37] <mfa298> lz1dev: I think you mean: !meme one does not simply create a memebot
[09:37] <mikestir> !dial edupic9
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03mikestir: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.2738 MHz, 434.2742 MHz
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03mikestir: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
[09:37] <amell> !flights
[09:37] <SpacenearUS> 03amell: Current flights: 03EDUPIC9 duration test 10(3c4f), 03EDUPIC9 duration test 10(95b8), 03EDUPICM8 duration test 10(29b3), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[09:37] <amell> oh, two flightdocs
[09:37] <edmoore> !fight!
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[09:44] <edmoore> anyway amell it's better that you hear it from me
[09:44] <edmoore> rather than from a proper angry-ham
[09:44] <edmoore> in which case it'd be more like http://bit.ly/1tgbbAO
[09:48] <amell> strange video clip that edmoore. wonder whats going on
[09:48] <edmoore> me too
[09:50] <lz1dev> the hat wobble does it for me
[09:51] <amell> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoL0jlfB-mY
[09:51] <chris_99> Anyone seen this before, someone just linked to it on ##electronics http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GY-85-BMP085-Sensor-Modules-9-Axis-Sensor-Module-ITG3205-ADXL345-HMC5883L-6DOF-9DOF-IMU-Sensor/1368812781.html
[09:51] <amell> edmoore: apparently the football player was telling the marine to be quiet.
[09:52] <edmoore> chris_99, I've seen it now
[09:52] <chris_99> :)
[09:53] <amell> http://www.burntorangenation.com/2012/9/21/3369608/sbn-exclusive-ole-miss-marine-explains-outburst-at-marquise-goodwin
[09:53] <amell> hopefully we can move on now.
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[09:57] <G4TNX> Looks like edupic9 is going very close to the websdr in Grimsby if somebody wants to give it a try http://radiogeek.co.uk (please as its only been on a week and this is the first HAB going that way)
[09:58] <amell> its not there yet. just checked
[09:58] <fsphil> ah nice. another websdr
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[10:02] <amell> who deleted B-64 off the mobile tracker? :(
[10:03] <UpuWork> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=B-64
[10:03] <UpuWork> you have some wierd issues amell
[10:03] <amell> Upuwork: it isnt appearing for me.
[10:03] <edmoore> also your browser
[10:03] <UpuWork> local issue ?
[10:03] Action: lz1dev teehee
[10:03] <amell> strange - i can see all others just not b-64
[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> !dial edupic9
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.2747 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.2742 MHz
[10:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
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[10:04] <lz1dev> amell: have you checked the top right corner ?
[10:04] <amell> last 1 day& when did you add that&
[10:05] <lz1dev> 09:41:09 * lz1dev awaits the confusion
[10:05] <amell> great, now upu thinks i have wierd issues.
[10:06] <lz1dev> sshhh
[10:06] <lz1dev> pretend that it's fine
[10:06] <UpuWork> mobile device thing ?
[10:06] Action: amell thinks Upu needs to check his own stuff.
[10:07] <UpuWork> works for me
[10:07] <mattbrejza> still here http://spacenear.us/tracker/admin/
[10:07] <edmoore> they're building a john lewis about 400m from my house
[10:07] <amell> im not talking about snus, im talking about habitat mobile tracker.
[10:07] <edmoore> yay kitchenware
[10:07] <mattbrejza> thats where /mt get its data from
[10:08] <amell> seriously does anyone still use snus?
[10:08] <edmoore> it seems that answer is obvious given what was just said
[10:08] <lz1dev> 12k impressions vs 13k on mt
[10:08] <lz1dev> so the answer is yes
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[10:09] <amell> because they cant be bothered to click the mobile tracker link
[10:09] <edmoore> that must be the sole cause yes
[10:09] <LazyLeopard> Old links?
[10:10] <edmoore> i think the root caused has been rooted
[10:11] <UpuWork> it will change
[10:12] <SA6BSS> amell: same here, just adupic9 and aeth28-4
[10:13] <SA6BSS> on mobile tracker
[10:13] <amell> SA6BSS: thanks, tell that to Upu who thinks i have wierd issues so doesnt believe me.
[10:13] <jededu> How is the signal on EDUPIC9 I can usually get much better reception on the vertical
[10:13] <lz1dev> guys, i invite you to look at the top right corner
[10:13] <MaXimaN> Nothing on the Grimsby websdr here yet
[10:14] <MaXimaN> Oh wait, there it is
[10:14] <amell> something here now
[10:14] <amell> it just appeared, now its gone
[10:14] <MaXimaN> Got it tuned now
[10:14] <jededu> Inttermittent amell
[10:14] <jededu> 2 mins
[10:15] <MaXimaN> jed: JEDEDUSOLARGLOBAL10 needs pips ;)
[10:15] <G4TNX> The pennines are in the way so it has to get up a bit before we get signals on that side of the country
[10:15] <jededu> Ok lol
[10:16] <G4TNX> RF side needs improvement, I feel a shopping trip for HABamps coming on
[10:16] <craag> It's on the SUWS websdr too
[10:17] <amell> this is hard to get tuned without pips
[10:17] <MaXimaN> Or a decent preamble
[10:18] <MaXimaN> I have it but the signal is still a little too weak
[10:18] <amell> maximan: are you decoding? im finding it too weak
[10:18] <amell> im zeroed in now.
[10:18] <MaXimaN> To call what I decoded a "patial" would be a gross exaggeration
[10:19] <daveake> is patial a partial partial ?
[10:19] <MaXimaN> impartial partial
[10:20] <jededu> This one has Ernie Balls No 13
[10:20] <jededu> Im sure its weaker
[10:20] <MaXimaN> þ?÷½{s$$$$$$ EDI9,80,q0:19:54,5251.0094:,-002067269,054667.2,3.25,1.5*4$$$$$$$¢ÝPh80<0:19:54,2?1.00943,-00209.6?269,5,44636VvF}
[10:20] <amell> that was partial, definately
[10:20] <MaXimaN> jededu: Did you take a pair of wire cutters and tune it?
[10:20] <jededu> Of course :)
[10:21] <MaXimaN> I think this is more an issue with the reception of the websdr than the tx to be honest
[10:21] <jededu> exactly the same as the copper ones i use
[10:21] <MaXimaN> The 70cm is awfully quiet
[10:21] <amell> $EDHC9<80,10:19:50,52<1.8090:,,002067269,05<46?.2,327&0.4*0ÿÑ$$$$4$$$ ®h80<0:1:4?1.00942,,00009.?269,7,44636
[10:22] <craag> G4TNX: Got a link to your websdr?
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[10:22] <amell> missed that one completely, as afc took it off tune
[10:22] <craag> I know you posted one but I can't find it..
[10:22] <MaXimaN> http://radiogeek.co.uk/
[10:22] <amell> preamble too short :(
[10:22] <craag> cheers MaXimaN!
[10:23] <MaXimaN> Baud rate a little too high as well I think
[10:23] <amell> whats wrong with 50 baud?
[10:23] <MaXimaN> Fifty is nifty, as we say
[10:23] Action: MaXimaN makes up 'sayings'
[10:23] <jededu> Takes twice as long
[10:23] <UpuWork> amell its not moving so just put your lines where it was
[10:23] <MaXimaN> jededu: Which makes it twice as easy to tune into and potentially get the second string :)
[10:24] <jededu> :)
[10:24] <MaXimaN> $$$$$$$$eDUPIC9,82,10:22:14,5251.59011,-0008.98650<05,4550.,1.75,1.4*1CCD
[10:24] <amell> do you think it is 400 shift? seems a little less might work better
[10:24] <MaXimaN> I am using 380
[10:25] <MaXimaN> Self-heating of the radio doesn't seem too bad, the signal is nice and stable from about one second in
[10:26] <zjztgj> short question in between: is APRS for balloons only on 2m band or on 70m as well?
[10:26] <zjztgj> *cm
[10:26] <MaXimaN> zjztgj: APRS is predominantly on 2m
[10:26] <MaXimaN> There are 70cm frequencies but used a lot less.
[10:27] <MaXimaN> I wish the websdr software had a waterfall instead of a waterfly
[10:27] <zjztgj> is there an advantage of 70cm for balloons?
[10:28] <zjztgj> antennas are quite big, essential if directional
[10:28] <craag> MaXimaN: We had a go at modifying the code to do that - but it didn't work too well unfortunately.
[10:28] <amell> still not decoding. seems worse if anything
[10:28] <zjztgj> i meand 2m
[10:29] <amell> $$EDWPIC9,84,10:22:04,5252.43172,-00208.05722,0ee3F&VVvLjËñ80,10:26:04<5252.43172,=0208>05722,07,4736.4,1.25
[10:29] <craag> You don't want directional antennas on the balloon
[10:29] <craag> And 70cm is the best radio band permissible in the UK - hence why we use it.
[10:29] <edmoore> yeah i use an isotropic antenna
[10:29] <craag> heh
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> sort-of-on-topic http://piximus.net/media/13779/scared-of-heights-44.jpg
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> I use an isotonic antenna.
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> Hydration is important.
[10:30] <MaXimaN> zjztgj: It's also about coverage. In western europe we have 70cm balloon tracking well-covered most of the time, unless it wanders too far south
[10:31] <MaXimaN> zjztgj: And as craag says, we can't broadcast on 2m from the air in the UK, so APRS is no-good for us
[10:32] <zjztgj> sure, but for a very light balloon a 2mm unidirectinal antenna is big as well
[10:32] <zjztgj> sry 2m
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[10:33] <SpeedEvil> zjztgj: wire isn't big
[10:33] <zjztgj> MaXimaN: the "70cm balloon tracking" in western europe is APRS as well?
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> zjztgj: It's +-0.5mish on the string above and below the payload
[10:33] <MaXimaN> zjztgj: Not by default. We use a custom version of fldigi to decode and upload to habitat and spacenear.us
[10:34] <MaXimaN> For APRS it is uploaded by a script taking data from aprs.fi
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[10:34] <MaXimaN> And that is in the hands of the, er, pilot. :)
[10:34] <craag> The 10mW power limit on 70cm ISM makes the link budget for afsk a little tricky at times
[10:35] <MaXimaN> Still no greens for me on EDUPIC
[10:35] <craag> so use RS232 FSK, aka RTTY
[10:35] <craag> *we use
[10:36] <zjztgj> SpeedEvil but with a dipol without radials you loose some gain. Tahts not importend?
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> looks like B-64 got frozen
[10:36] <amell> yeah, surprising as im sure its had worse
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> zjztgj: In general - no
[10:37] <MaXimaN> Yeah, suprising really. It's done 9 orbits of the planet, I was sure it had another 9 in it
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> zjztgj: In most cases - even with ~10mW - you can if you've got a good reciever - hear it to the horizon easily
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[10:38] <craag> dipole without radials - ?
[10:38] <craag> Some people use dipoles (which don't have radials)
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[10:38] <craag> Most people use an upside-down 1/4 wave radiator with 4 radials.
[10:38] <MaXimaN> I think the Pennines are actually getting in the way now
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I guess maybe if it's gone north towards sweden - it might not have eben picked up
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[10:40] <SpeedEvil> actually, no
[10:40] <MaXimaN> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC9,90,10:38:04,5255.605g6,/00206.09919,07,5229.0,-3,1.49*0054
[10:40] <SpeedEvil> Unless hysplit lies
[10:40] <MaXimaN> Close but no coconut
[10:40] <amell> did you change your shift up?
[10:41] <jededu> Maximan are you north of here
[10:41] <MaXimaN> amell: To 390 yes. Also increased receive filter bandwidth to 100 so it can track the warming a littl easier
[10:41] <MaXimaN> jededu: Nope, I'm in "Sarf Landan". Using the Grimsby websdr :)
[10:41] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: plently of receivers there
[10:42] <jededu> Ahh ok
[10:42] <Laurenceb_> but it looked to be heading north of hyplit
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: yeah - I got the time wrong
[10:42] <amell> $$EDUPIC9,91,10:41:54,5256.87399,-00205.38214,09,5441.6,-3.75,1.49*D417
[10:42] <amell> :)
[10:42] <Laurenceb_> so very low solar
[10:42] <amell> greenyweeny for me!
[10:42] <Laurenceb_> it might have done a B-66
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I was thinking it'd still be just over the swedish coast - and may not be in range of any
[10:42] <MaXimaN> Should have been green for me too, but I think I have the wrong parser EDUPIC9 (2)
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> but if it's on the ~40 hour isochron, it should be
[10:43] <amell> im on the first parser, green as grass
[10:43] <MaXimaN> There we go
[10:43] <MaXimaN> Should be good for the next ones then
[10:43] <MaXimaN> And signal should improve as it flies closer
[10:43] <edmoore> you must be taking the parser
[10:43] <MaXimaN> parse off!
[10:44] <amell> and another green for me
[10:44] <MaXimaN> green \o/
[10:44] <amell> Ah but I was first!
[10:44] <MaXimaN> You "win"
[10:45] <amell> correct lol
[10:45] <edmoore> every child in this channel gets to win something at least once a term
[10:45] <edmoore> we keep it that way for their self esteem
[10:45] <MaXimaN> Then why is there so much red pen in my logbook?
[10:45] <edmoore> most improved typing is still up for grabs
[10:46] <daveake> Upu keeps a sheet of gold stars to hand out at the conf
[10:46] <amell> thats a bit wierd.
[10:46] <edmoore> along with putting callsigns on people's name badges
[10:46] <MaXimaN> weird is relative
[10:46] <edmoore> which i resent
[10:46] <Laurenceb_> lol i always came out "least improved" at school
[10:46] <Laurenceb_> as i progressively lost the will to live
[10:47] <MaXimaN> Laurenceb_: When will you finish school?
[10:47] <Laurenceb_> never
[10:47] <lz1dev> the school of life is never over
[10:47] <Laurenceb_> infinite resits
[10:47] <lz1dev> technically not infinite
[10:47] <lz1dev> :(
[10:48] <MaXimaN> I plan to live forver. It's going pretty well so far
[10:49] <edmoore> but you have other priors than just an observation of yourself
[10:50] <daveake> finally, something I'm above average at
[10:50] <edmoore> so stop being frequentist
[10:52] <craag> lol daveake
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Huh amell right B-64 has gone from the tracker ?
[10:52] <MaXimaN> B-64 has resigned
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[10:53] <edmoore> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap, to pre-empt lz1dev having to repeat himself again, see top right
[10:54] <G4TNX> Have to go some work for while.. Good luck with the SDR. Will be back to see how it got on and what I need to do to improve it
[10:54] <lz1dev> :D
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Ah these little improvements sent to confuse us!
[10:55] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Good point on aethers use of AR :/
[10:55] <edmoore> those tooth marks are from the gift horse
[10:55] <lz1dev> AR ?
[10:55] <edmoore> augmented reality
[10:55] <edmoore> duh
[10:55] <lz1dev> lolwot
[10:55] <craag> amateur radio
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its like the use on satellites as well, with all these non-amateur radio cube sats appearing :-(
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> but using AR frequencies for downlinks ....
[10:56] <edmoore> they're starting to clamp down on that
[10:56] <edmoore> more serious cubesat users have to get proper slots on licensed bands away from other things
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[10:56] <edmoore> i don't know about mom-and-pop university lab cubes
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[10:57] <craag> errr I know of one uni cubesat team planning to use AR freqs, but don't currently have a licensed ham in the team...
[10:58] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03RA4NHY - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[10:58] <mattbrejza> i dont think thats their biggest issue
[10:58] <craag> lol no
[10:59] <amell> Geoff-G8DHE-Lap: Glad to know im not the only wierd person
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Its not that I want them stopped but before we know it the license authorities will step up and cause grief as well.
[11:00] <mattbrejza> what are they doing/not doing?
[11:01] <SpeedEvil> commercial operations on amateur frequencies
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[11:02] <mattbrejza> oh didnt realise that was a thing
[11:04] <M6XIMan> Geoff-G8DHE: But there are amateur freqs for satellite options?
[11:04] <M6XIMan> s/options/operations
[11:04] <SpeedEvil> M6XIMan: which cover amateur satellites
[11:05] <craag> Generally used for academic/outreachy stuff
[11:05] <SpeedEvil> amateur does not cover professional but cheap/crap at it
[11:05] <craag> Hence they're a *lot* cheaper to use than trying to get yourself a real bit of bandwidth
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[11:46] <zjztgj> what is the reason that the 868 MHz band not commom for balloon tracking? it allows up to 20dbm
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[11:47] <craag> We have used 868MHz, however until recently it has been difficult to get SSB receivers for that band
[11:47] <LazyLeopard> zjztgj: Listeners (or rather, lack of them).
[11:47] <craag> 70cm ISM band has the nice touch that it's covered by a lot of Ham Radio rigs, meaning lots of people already have the kit to listen and help track
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[11:49] <zjztgj> makes sense, but with cheap sdrs that will change?
[11:50] <craag> The number of potential listeners will still always be less then 70cm
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[11:50] <craag> And you can only use 20dBm with 10% DC limit
[11:51] <zjztgj> so its more equal to 25mw, but still
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-m> Also would need to put up new aerials on 868Mhz
[11:51] <craag> zjztgj: how did you work that out?
[11:53] <zjztgj> sry. i ment 50mW avaradge
[11:53] <craag> 20dBm = 100mW
[11:54] <zjztgj> omg
[11:54] <zjztgj> 500 mW seams to be allowd
[11:54] <zjztgj> so equal to 27 dbm
[11:55] <craag> Ah yes it is, my bad. I've only ever used 100mW transmitters on it.
[11:55] <zjztgj> my 20 dbm figure was wrong
[11:55] <zjztgj> i sad 20 dbm some line above...
[11:56] <craag> Yeah, I got confused. So yes people have used it - but stuff like transmitter drift is twice as problematic as at 434 of course.
[11:56] <craag> You also have the additional path loss.
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[11:57] <mattbrejza> 6dB more PL and 10dB less due to 10% DC
[11:57] <mattbrejza> so you gain 1dB
[11:57] <mattbrejza> yay
[11:58] <mattbrejza> (assuming were talking maximising bandwidth
[11:58] <craag> There's been a couple of flights using the new Lora mode on 868 as it allows wider bandwidth.
[11:58] <gonzo_> path loss is a confusing concept. I prefer to think of space as lossless and use capture area of antennas
[11:58] <craag> But that's more due to limitations in the module rather than the tiny gain in link budget.
[11:59] <mattbrejza> gonzo_: true
[12:00] <gonzo_> On balance I assume that if you half the wavelength you use an ant that is twice as big, relativly, so the capture area prob stays tha same
[12:01] <zjztgj> so overall the advantages compared to 70 cm are quite limited. No driving potential to go fore 868 MHz..
[12:01] <gonzo_> as people usually use the biggest anty they can
[12:02] <gonzo_> I would say that 434 had the great advantage of an existing user base and commercial kit available
[12:02] <craag> zjztgj: Nothing to stop people playing around with it, but yes that's why most tend to stick with 434.
[12:02] <daveake> Only advantage I can see is the 300kHz-wide 100% DC section but that's only 5mW erp
[12:02] <gonzo_> agreed. I have an ant/lna for 868
[12:02] <mattbrejza> we're not really pushing hte limits of 434 atm ayway
[12:02] <gonzo_> waiting for an excuse to try it
[12:03] <daveake> As has been pointed out :p you can still use wide-ish bandwidths on 70cm albeit at 10% DC
[12:03] <gonzo_> btw, did the idea for a 434LPD aprs network go anywhere?
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[12:03] <daveake> Also, if you want to do an uplink, 70cm is the best bet as you can use plenty of power on the ground
[12:05] <zjztgj> daveake: but the wider band inreases the probability of beeing occupied as well..
[12:06] <daveake> it does
[12:08] <daveake> lora does have some cleverness though - the same data gets spread across the bandwidth so it has a chance of getting through anyway
[12:08] <daveake> also with multiple receivers it would be bad luck if everyone was affected by interference
[12:09] <mattbrejza> when it works ¬.¬
[12:09] <daveake> indeed :)
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[12:30] <jededu> Not as high as I expected
[12:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> Yup not clear of the Downs down here just occasional traces on the w/f
[12:35] <mattbrejza> !dial EDUPIC9
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.275436 MHz, 434.2738 MHz, 434.2747 MHz
[12:35] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
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[13:00] <CHRISG7OGX> what is the rushing signal please? I hear no RTTY
[13:03] <CHRISG7OGX> a rushing sweeping noise signal
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[13:04] <daveake> call it wind
[13:04] <CHRISG7OGX> faint rtty traces now
[13:05] <CHRISG7OGX> lol rthought it was a mode i missed
[13:05] <daveake> Just worry if you suddenly see a bowl of petunias
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[13:08] <CHRISG7OGX> daveake don't think i have those pills..
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[13:21] <CHRISG7OGX> no weather balloon launch at 1200
[13:24] <CHRISG7OGX> northward track faster than ascent rate so lost sigs on south coast
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[13:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3YT-11 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK3YT-11
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[13:54] <M6XIMan> Hmmm... dl-fldigi warning me that data is unmergeable?
[13:54] <M6XIMan> That was on the last green
[13:56] <M6XIMan> Oh I see - repeated string, packet ID is the same
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[14:47] <amell> does it send same packet ID twice??
[14:48] <amell> this grimsby websdr. not as strong reception as i would have expected being that close.
[14:50] <craag> a mild case of amell syndrome?
[14:50] <amell> possibly with a smidgen of craag syndrome.
[14:51] <craag> eh?
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[14:53] <G4TNX> Grimsby sdr is only thrown together at the moment so needs a LOT of improvement. It is also on a large collinear so may not be good with an overhead signal.
[14:54] <craag> G4TNX: Good to see more 70cm websdrs around though! I run the PC side of the suws websdr.
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[14:57] <G4TNX> PC bit is working great, more dongles on order and toys to try make the rf side a bit better. Have a very sharp filter so going to try make a HAB only band.
[14:59] <craag> Cool, we use a 70cm habamp at the masthead and currently have notches filter on two of the nearby repeaters to cope with the signal from them.
[14:59] <craag> They still overload things a bit
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[15:43] <MikkMihkel> Hello world!
[15:44] <MikkMihkel> I am newbie HAB fan working on a project... Can anyone recommend me any decent balloon shops in UK which ship to Europe?
[15:44] <daveake> http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[15:45] <craag> He's got a list on the 'Checkout' page of european shipping and additional cost
[15:46] <MikkMihkel> You're the best.
[15:47] <MikkMihkel> I'm planning a flight with a specific experiment which will be launched in stratosphere (sorry for bad English..)
[15:47] <MikkMihkel> I don't think that writing about it here is good idea but has somebody done something that is triggered so that it happens upper there
[15:48] <craag> you mean an altitude trigger?
[15:48] <MikkMihkel> for example
[15:49] <craag> Yes, altitude trigger from gps and microcontroller like arduino is easy
[15:49] <craag> People have also done radio uplink for command, but that is more complex, and requires radio licensing for the high power uplink.
[15:50] <craag> Have a read of the wiki, there's lots of information, and links to people's projects
[15:50] <craag> !wiki
[15:50] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: No results for your query
[15:51] <craag> !wiki Main Page
[15:51] <SpacenearUS> 03craag: No results for your query
[15:51] <craag> http://ukhas.org.uk/
[15:51] <mattbrejza> see title
[15:52] <MikkMihkel> Yeah, have read it through multiple times :)
[15:52] <craag> That's the right answer :)
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[16:21] <pc1pcl> still seems like edupic tends to shut off the radio a little too soon occasionally, so the last checksum character is missed on the second string..
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[16:34] <MikkMihkel> Hey, me again
[16:34] <MikkMihkel> I will ask probably one very stupid question :D
[16:34] <MikkMihkel> Anyway... I thought about using GPRS GPS module on board... but as your colleagues told me... this wont work very well
[16:34] <MikkMihkel> So now I have approx 1 day to change my budget...
[16:35] <MikkMihkel> Which is best way to track my balloon
[16:35] <MikkMihkel> 434 band or aprs
[16:35] <Upu> Hi MikkMihkel
[16:35] <Upu> where are you ?
[16:36] <mfa298> MikkMihkel: that potentially depends on where you are
[16:36] <mfa298> snap
[16:38] <lz1dev> don't tell them, they'll come steal your gps module :(
[16:38] <Upu> haha
[16:39] <MikkMihkel> :D
[16:39] <Myself> yeah, broadcasting your position just invites people to get into their airplanes and go snatch it out of the air!
[16:39] <MikkMihkel> Yeah :D
[16:39] <MikkMihkel> Northern EU
[16:39] <MikkMihkel> Estonia/Latvia border
[16:39] <Upu> ah ok
[16:40] <Upu> well you will get coverage into Poland I suspect
[16:40] <mfa298> In general APRS has a wide receiver network but needs a suitable radio license (amateur radio) and cant be used in all countries when airborne. There's a license free 434 MHz band (which is what we use in the UK) for which there's a good listener network throught parts of Europe. This band can generally be used airborne (although you should check local laws)
[16:40] <Upu> APRS isn't permitted airborne in Latvia
[16:40] <Upu> No information on Estonia
[16:41] <Upu> I would use 70cms
[16:41] <Upu> you mailed me about the Pi In The Sky board
[16:42] <Upu> currently we are waiting on them to come back from the PCB fab
[16:42] <Upu> but should be in stock in about 2 weeks
[16:42] <MikkMihkel> Ye I did
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[16:43] <ike2> did you guys know that there are trakers in russia
[16:43] <ike2> there are people who track GPS trakers
[16:44] Nick change: ike2 -> ike
[16:44] <MikkMihkel> Well ok, lets take 70cm... Which radio receiver you recommend... It should be cheap :D
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[16:45] <MikkMihkel> Will handheld scanners also work?
[16:45] <MikkMihkel> for example DJ-X30E
[16:45] <ike> http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/11/17/russia-sewers-poop-river-petersburg-gps/
[16:45] <M6XIMan> As long as they can receive SSB
[16:46] <M6XIMan> Otherwise you can use an rtlsdr dvb-t usb stick
[16:46] <ike> MikkMihkel usb stick is the cheapes
[16:46] <ike> 10$
[16:46] <DG0MG> better way: look for Hamradio-Amateurs in your neighborhood, they HAVE receivers
[16:46] <ike> all you need is a laptop and good antenna
[16:47] <mfa298> MikkMihkel: it may help if you gave an idea of what you mean by cheap
[16:47] <ike> at 70cm most cheap receivers are FM only
[16:47] <DG0MG> and they WANT to receive something :D
[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> The DJ-X30E is AM and FM only no SSB
[16:47] <Myself> #rtlsdr :)
[16:48] <mfa298> MikkMihkel: theres a list of things people have used on http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[16:48] <mfa298> not a complete list though.
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[16:56] <Maxell> amell: "15:15:23 < Maxell> We need aprs.fi style "only show last x y""
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[16:59] <Maxell> amell: sunday :P
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[17:15] <Oddstr13> are there any commandline APRS decoders/receivers for linux?
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[17:16] <mfa298> Oddstr13: I believe direwolf meets that spec
[17:20] <Oddstr13> "Ideal for building a Raspberry Pi digipeater & IGate." Yep, that looks like a direct hit :P
[17:20] <Oddstr13> thanks mfa298
[17:23] <daveake> It gets my vote - easier to set up than some other APRS stuff I've tried
[17:23] <daveake> Plus Leo likes it and there's no greater recommendation than that :)
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[17:28] <Oddstr13> seems to have rather detailed documentation too
[17:28] <Oddstr13> for installation atleast
[17:30] <Maxell> Oddstr13: direwolf is nice
[17:30] <Maxell> need a config to get started?
[17:31] <Oddstr13> http://home.comcast.net/~wb2osz/Version%201.1/Raspberry-Pi-APRS.pdf this thing seems to have what i would need to get started
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[17:31] <Oddstr13> but, I need some sleep, been awake for way too long again :P
[17:32] <Oddstr13> I'ma look more at it tomorrow, and see if I can find some APRS to decode up here in no-man's land :P
[17:32] <Maxell> Oddstr13: Direwolf example config http://paste.sigio.nl/pjre00n0h
[17:33] <Oddstr13> thanks
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[17:34] <Maxell> ck
[17:34] <Maxell> ack
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[17:43] <spacetoday> \RULES
[17:50] <spacetoday> Anyone online?
[17:50] <spacetoday> Is there any way to tell what users are present, as opposed to just members of the channel? I'm pretty new to IRC.
[17:50] <Upu> yup abouy 193 people
[17:50] <daveake> 194
[17:50] <Upu> well the people who are typing are here
[17:51] <spacetoday> Ok so the list to the right of my screen is the amount of users currently online
[17:51] <Upu> thats about as complex as it gets
[17:51] <Upu> yes
[17:51] <Upu> whether they will talk is another matter
[17:51] <daveake> some are shy
[17:51] <Upu> but there is usually some chat going on
[17:51] <spacetoday> well, that's always true
[17:52] <Upu> rules are simple be polite and patience
[17:52] <Maxell> spacetoday: there is no solid way to check if someone said something in the channel - there are clients out there that keep track of the last typed sentence and might sort people based on that.
[17:52] <Upu> people are genuinely nice here and willing to help but may not always be able to respond quickly
[17:52] <Maxell> spacetoday: however, it might be best to just mention that guy/gals nick so he/she gets hilighted
[17:52] <Upu> work and all that
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[17:53] <spacetoday> ./Maxell are you an admin?
[17:53] <Upu> There aren't many admins on here
[17:53] <Upu> do you mean admin of this channel
[17:53] <Upu> or the other services
[17:54] <Maxell> spacetoday: I am not :)
[17:57] <spacetoday> Maxell: you've got the swanky red username
[17:58] <MikkMihkel> Thanks for your help
[17:59] <MikkMihkel> So answer is that I should buy USB stick instead of scanner :)
[18:03] <mfa298> spacetoday: on IRC in general channels operators have an @ at the front of their name (I don't think anyone is currently set as a channel op - but that doesn't mean they're not around)
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[18:06] <x-f> hi, MikkMihkel. there are several active trackers in Estonia and Latvia (like me) that would help track your payload, just post an announcement on the UKHAS mailing list when the launch day comes closer
[18:06] <jededu> !hysplit EDUPIC9
[18:06] <SpacenearUS> 03jededu: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[18:06] <x-f> also stick around on this channel, it is very friendly and helpful
[18:07] <jededu> Odd
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[18:14] <det_> !dial EDUPIC9
[18:14] <SpacenearUS> 03det_: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f): 03434.2738 MHz, 434.27389 MHz, 434.274 MHz
[18:14] <SpacenearUS> 03det_: Latest dials for 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8): none
[18:15] <Upu> !hysplit EDUPIC9 run
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: No HYSPLIT for that callsign
[18:15] <Upu> !hysplit run EDUPIC9
[18:15] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[18:18] <bertrik> !payload EDUPIC9
[18:18] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Payload 03EDUPIC9 10(3c4f) 03$$EDUPIC9 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.275 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/400Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:18] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Payload 03EDUPIC9 10(95b8) 03$$EDUPIC9 - 03RTTY Only - 03434.65 MHz USB 03RTTY 100/400Hz ASCII-8 none 2
[18:19] <Upu> !hysplit EDUPIC9
[18:19] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: HYSPLIT for 03EDUPIC9 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141125-18_19385_EDUPIC9.gif
[18:19] <Upu>  /\ jededu
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:19] <Upu> Hi Lunar
[18:22] <jededu> Whats up upu
[18:22] <Upu> hysplit
[18:22] <jededu> Broke?
[18:22] <Upu> no you have one now
[18:23] <jededu> Ahh yes
[18:23] <MikkMihkel> DJ-X11E has SSB support, so it would be ok?
[18:23] <jededu> Dont like that one do another:)
[18:24] <jededu> Mind you there are 1 or 2 trackers on the way
[18:25] <spacetoday> what are you guys doing with the callsign info? does this channel have some kind of built in tracking functionality?
[18:25] <Upu> yup spacetoday
[18:25] <Upu> !track EDUPIC9
[18:25] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=EDUPIC9
[18:26] <Upu> !track B-64
[18:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Here you go - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?filter=B-64
[18:26] <jededu> It transmits once every 10 mins after 20:00 it could break at midnight if ive got it wrong
[18:26] <Upu> on that B-64 one
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[18:26] <Upu> click Last -> All on the right hand side
[18:26] <Upu> and then zoom ot
[18:26] <Upu> out
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[18:31] <ike> so B64 is in iceland?
[18:31] <ike> and it's time for a new B 70 or something
[18:31] <spacetoday> wow what is the B64 balloon - it's been up a long time
[18:32] <Upu> yup
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[18:36] <Reb-SM0ULC> evening
[18:36] <Myself> B64 has been silent an awfully long time. It's gonna be quite a party if we see a "new position from B-64" message after this.
[18:44] <spacetoday> what is b64?
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[18:46] <x-f> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/
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[19:00] <jededu> Thats some reception DG0MG-SDR
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[19:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PI_SKY_PLUS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PI_SKY_PLUS
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[19:28] <jededu> Weather or leak
[19:31] <SA6BSS> I´l go with frost on the balloon
[19:32] <arko> jededu: cool flight
[19:32] <arko> foil?
[19:33] <SA6BSS> according to mail its a 36" foil
[19:34] <arko> nice
[19:34] <arko> yeah mine did similar things
[19:34] <arko> likely rain
[19:34] <arko> though radar doesnt show rain there
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[19:41] <jededu> Yes arko its a foil 36"
[19:41] <arko> cool!
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[19:43] <jededu> 8 did somthing similar
[19:43] <jededu> in the same place :)
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[19:44] <Michemto> !register
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[19:46] <Upu> 4492
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[19:52] Nick change: craag -> craameleon
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[19:52] <Harvy> Hi, People
[19:53] <Harvy> I was looking for some guides with stabalising payloads.
[19:53] Nick change: craameleon -> craag
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[19:55] <Harvy> I couldn't see much in the wiki
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[19:55] <craag> You mean for video on the ascent?
[19:56] <craag> Most people use a long cord between payload and balloon (>10m), which reduces noticable swing.
[19:56] <Harvy> Yeah mainly for video.
[19:56] <craag> You can also add gyros to really reduce it
[19:56] <Harvy> We had a 10m line from ballon to parachute and 5m from parachute to payload.
[19:57] <jededu> I think EDUPIC9 is going in I need to get higher
[19:57] <craag> A free-rotation joint in the line like you get on fishing kit can cut down on sharp spinning
[19:57] <SA6BSS> jededu: then you need a custom envelope
[19:58] <Upu> I'm having to manually fix each one of these
[19:58] <jededu> I know :)
[19:58] <jededu> Why upu
[19:58] <Harvy> craag, Yeah were thinking that or I've seen in some videos long rods attached to the bottom of the payload.
[19:58] <Upu> quite a weak signal now
[19:58] <Upu> SA6BSS is getting them (WebSDR ?)
[19:58] <Harvy> craag, Basically looking to see what has been tried and tested.
[19:58] <SA6BSS> yapp
[19:58] <craag> Harvy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157632733154985/
[19:58] <SA6BSS> http://radiogeek.co.uk/
[19:59] <Upu> ah super
[19:59] <Upu> glad its workingwell :)
[19:59] <Upu> I'm outside of the range now anyway
[19:59] <Upu> but because you transmit the same thing twice
[19:59] <Upu> you can usually work out whats wrong and fix it
[19:59] <Upu> nice feature
[19:59] <Upu> needs less bauds
[19:59] <Upu> :)
[20:01] <jededu> Ok ill sort it next time It was definatly weaker with Ernies
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[20:02] <Harvy> craag, Cool. I had a look at the video in that Set and it looked pretty stable.
[20:02] <Harvy> Any other ideas?
[20:02] <craag> Harvy: Well there's his version-2
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[20:02] <craag> Which I think he's aiming to photograph an eclipse with in 2017
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[20:03] <craag> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157636929911016/
[20:03] <craag> Still in construction though
[20:03] <craag> But his version 1 is probably the most stable anyone's gotten so far
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[20:04] <Harvy> craag, Wow ok that's a bit more crazy. So I'm guessing v2 reacts to the movement?
[20:04] <craag> I did see a video of an old CUSF flight with *massive* pieces of cloth or something hanging down to stabilise it - dunno how well it worked though and not something I'd like to fly :/
[20:05] <Harvy> craag, how about these wooden rods that people use. It seems to move the weight away from the payload. Shoudl that work?
[20:05] <craag> v2 I think will point in a programmed direction, and adjust to any spin, roll or pitch, holding the camera in the same direction.
[20:06] <craag> err people tend to use those to hold something out in front of the camera, not sure they had much stability benefit.
[20:07] <craag> I haven't done much photography yet though - so probably not the best person to speak to.
[20:08] <jededu> ping SA6BSS
[20:08] <edmoore> craag, that was nova 10
[20:08] <edmoore> http://vimeo.com/3803248
[20:09] <SA6BSS> jededu: hi
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[20:10] <jededu> SA6BSS It shouldhave switched 10 10 min transmissions now just in case it survives
[20:10] <craag> edmoore: Yes, that was it. Thought it was bigger tbh.
[20:10] <jededu> to 10 min
[20:10] <SA6BSS> ok, god to know, stil 2min tx:S
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[20:11] <SA6BSS> timing next one
[20:11] <edmoore> craag, just the right size
[20:11] <edmoore> we never flew excessively big payloads
[20:11] <Upu> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC9,375,20:08:04,5440.05012,04139.19870<08,3083.0,=7,1.47j3CA2
[20:11] <Upu> $$$$$$$$EDUPIC9,375,20:09:04,5440.05012,00139-8,3083. ,-7,1.47*3CA2
[20:11] <SA6BSS> $$$$$$EDUPIB9,3',20:08:04,e44 .05012,00139.19870,08,303.0, 7,1.47*3CA2 $$$$$$$$EDUPIC9,35,20:08:04,5440.05012,00139.19870,08,3 87.0,-7,1.47*3CA2
[20:11] <jededu> Ok thx
[20:12] <SA6BSS> stil on 2min tx
[20:12] <Upu> I should be able to fix this one
[20:12] <Upu> hang on
[20:12] <jededu> Ok i may have set it to 21:00 it was 3 this morning :)
[20:12] <SA6BSS> Upu: if it helps $$$$$$EDU@IC9,376,20:10:00,5440.60993,00139.31369,08,3001.8,-6.25,1.4'*13CE
[20:13] <Upu> got it
[20:13] <SA6BSS> jededu: :)
[20:14] <jededu> Cool :)
[20:14] <Upu> no chance on that last one
[20:14] <Upu> I'm out of range now
[20:14] <Upu> oh Mike got it
[20:14] <Michemto> Has anybody done something mechanical up there... I need to open 2 valves up ther
[20:15] <Harvy> edmoore, that looks like a big pair of pants.
[20:16] <edmoore> walmart
[20:16] <Harvy> Thanks anyway. I might come back later to see if anyone has had any stabilisation issues and how they resolved them.
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[20:17] <edmoore> like that
[20:18] <edmoore> with the big pants
[20:18] <guido_> what is the secret of B-64?
[20:19] <edmoore> i think you want to be above that for a happy and long life as a floater
[20:20] <Upu> ~2600m I think
[20:20] <Upu> hard to tell
[20:21] <jededu> Thx for trying :)
[20:21] <Upu> well its still up :)
[20:21] <Upu> just
[20:22] <Upu> ah Mike got it again
[20:22] <Upu> good first test of that websdr :)
[20:22] <jededu> Yes at least there is that :)
[20:23] <Upu> I don't see it on the waterfall any more so probably slipped below my horizon now
[20:27] <Upu> shame M0DTS isn't on he could get that
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[20:27] <Upu> probably right into the sea if it doesn't pull up
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[20:27] <jededu> It may survive a dunking its pretty well encapsulated
[20:28] <jededu> Wishfull thinking :)
[20:28] <pc1pcl> $$$$&d-%E@PM9,1(,2022&:0h5444.9910$0`139.6=s5%,09$22730,-4,.48*6095
[20:28] <pc1pcl> $$$$$EDUIC9,34$2*6: 4-4444.5991,0013=.6355,09,223.0,-4,1*486295
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[20:30] <Upu> FEC modes next jededu
[20:31] <pc1pcl> $4$$$$$EDEIC9(385,22:8:04,545,109,00139.50-&-FF6VF-V2v--
[20:31] <jededu> I keep looking at your code :)
[20:31] <Upu> shame we can't tell what the altitude is
[20:32] <jededu> The NTX2 one
[20:32] <pc1pcl> decoder might also be able to do better if it knows where to expect digits, letters, and that we don't expect any weird characters..
[20:32] <pc1pcl> hmm this pass it's just visible on the WF, decoder didn't notice it wasn't just noise..
[20:33] <jededu> Its doomed pc1pcl thx for tracking
[20:35] <SA6BSS> $$$EDTPIC9,385,20:28:04,545.–¸0139.50782,08,2194.-3.,0.48e37@
[20:35] <SA6BSS> $$$EDEPIC9,385,20:28:04,545.!7089, 0039.0782$p8,2144,#5,1.8*5
[20:35] <SA6BSS> $$$EDTPIC9,385,22:28:04,545,109,00139.50
[20:36] <SA6BSS> 2144m alti
[20:36] <db_g6gzh> jededu: could you do 7 bit ASCII ? would save ~9% transmit time and improve chance of decode
[20:36] <jededu> db_g6gzh why diddnt I think of that will do
[20:37] <jededu> But DominoEX is the way forward
[20:37] <db_g6gzh> oh yes, but a bit more complicated
[20:38] <jededu> Just have to work it out
[20:38] <edmoore> it's really quite simple. I think we just looked at the encoder source from fldigi to get an implementation
[20:39] <edmoore> you can copy and paste the table from there
[20:41] <jededu> edmoore: I have the table just need to work out how to do it in BASIC, it just takes me a while :)
[20:42] <edmoore> ah, i can't help you with the basic side
[20:43] <M6XIMan> 10 PRINT "DOMINOEX ROCKS!!!!"
[20:43] <jededu> But I like the challenge
[20:43] <M6XIMan> 20 GOTO 10
[20:43] <jededu> lol
[20:43] <M6XIMan> I'll send you an invoice
[20:46] <edmoore> i want some mushrooms
[20:46] <jededu> It was a challenge working out the CRC
[20:47] <edmoore> you just have to realise your bike needs only two wheels rather than the three
[20:47] <edmoore> then you've got it cracked
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[20:49] <pc1pcl> noticed that the timing bug was still there, sometimes last character seemed clipped off, sometimes there was a short 'lead-out' and sometimes a slightly longer 'lead-out'..
[20:53] <jededu> That was me last night I has 17500 instead of 18500
[20:54] <Maxell> noes!
[20:54] <Michemto> if anyone has idea for using electronic valves up there - PM me! :)
[20:54] <jededu> Dont mess with the code when asleep
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[20:55] <jededu> The previous CRC error was because it was dropping leading 0's
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[20:56] <mikestir> Michemto: that might make for a heavy payload http://goo.gl/1wQsVF
[20:57] <edmoore> i wonder about cooling them too
[20:58] <BrainDamage> audiophile payload
[20:59] <pc1pcl> looking at the websdr it now at least seemed to be some sort of early/normal/late shut-off of the transmission. perhaps need some sort of 'really done now' flag to be set by the part that does transmission so the power management part knows it can powerdown the radio?
[21:00] <pc1pcl> Michemto: you want to use a 'valve' as a replacement for a semiconductor, or to let in/out gas?
[21:00] <jededu> pc1pl already on it
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[21:10] <Michemto> @mikestir - im thinking about mechanical valves which will allow fluid to flow and not to flow
[21:10] <Michemto> as a liquid controller
[21:10] <Michemto> open/close :)
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> I found a cool feature in KiCAD today, that you can preset track widths for certain classes of connections, i.e. make all power traces thicker than signals and so on
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> (probably something you all know already)
[21:11] <mikestir> you can do that in eagle as well
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:11] <Darkside> pretty standard really
[21:11] <Darkside> and yes, its very useful
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> I imagined
[21:11] <mikestir> it'd be pretty bad if it didn't do that
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> I kept selecting the track width all the time without thinking too much about it
[21:12] <mikestir> I think they've got stuff like matched length buses and diff pair routing in the latest version of kicad now though
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[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[21:13] Action: Myself teaches a coworker about common-mode noise rejection and the folly of driving a differential input with a single-ended signal and one leg grounded. Heh, heh.
[21:13] <Myself> (If that turns out to be the root cause, I'm gonna laugh really, really hard.)
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> does the bus length matching have to do with latency?
[21:13] <mikestir> yes
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:13] <mikestir> it's important on DDR interfaces
[21:14] <mikestir> that's why you'll see all those wiggly tracks on a pc motherboard or dimm
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> mikestir, the tube electronics you posted
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> nice :)
[21:15] <mikestir> yeah that was just a little joke
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> I actually saw radiosonde payload papers from the 30s-60s which had those all over the place
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> and weighed 6-10 kg
[21:16] <pc1pcl> might be more resistant to radiation though..
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[21:16] <mikestir> yeah
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[21:17] <pc1pcl> hmm might not need all the glass etc if it's near vacuum already anyway where you use them..
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[21:17] <Myself> that's an incredibly badass idea.
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/mripapers1950/17/2/17_76/_article optical ozonsonde
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> photocell + motorized filter wheel + tube amp
[21:19] <pc1pcl> plasma ball-oon
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[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> sorry correction
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> transistor amp
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> thinking about getting a hot-air soldering machine at ebay
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> read that they are OK for doing small things
[21:26] <edmoore> they're very useful for desoldering
[21:27] <Michemto> well yeah
[21:27] <edmoore> and for doing solderpaste parts without an oven
[21:27] <Michemto> I'd really like to use somekind of basic valve
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[21:27] <edmoore> i thoroughly recommend using them in conjection with a pre-heating bed
[21:27] <Michemto> which will allow to flow warmed liquid to the container
[21:27] <edmoore> especially where you have large copper planes
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[21:27] <Michemto> when altitude is reached
[21:27] <Michemto> if you want to hear specific information, pm, but yeah... valve is needed :D
[21:29] <edmoore> oh a fluid valve
[21:29] <edmoore> i thought people were still talking about thermionic valves
[21:29] <edmoore> why do you want to move fluids around?
[21:30] <Michemto> well... i have to keep fluid warm and steady in container
[21:30] <Michemto> until balloon gets to stratosphere
[21:30] <Michemto> and then this fluid should change it's container
[21:30] <Michemto> kind of a experiment :)
[21:30] <Michemto> just need the valve :D
[21:31] <edmoore> well, plenty of valves are on the market for all sorts of applications
[21:31] <Michemto> or some kind of mechanism which allows me to keep something closed.. and then released (container is upside down..) so this little gravitation will help it to fall down
[21:31] <edmoore> it should just be an off-the-shelf thing
[21:31] <Michemto> Yea.. but i didn't really find anything working with low volts
[21:31] <Michemto> voltage
[21:32] <edmoore> how low is low?
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[21:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Make it out of plastic if weight is important for the valve http://www.ictmdeklerk.nl/servo-controlled-valve/
[21:43] <goopypanther> Michemto: does it need to close again later?
[21:43] <Michemto> nope
[21:43] <Michemto> dunno, voltage coming from pi
[21:43] <pc1pcl-p> if it only needs to be a one-shot, things that have been used for cut-down might work?
[21:43] <goopypanther> you could always use nichrome to burn through some plastic
[21:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> design is already available http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:20661
[21:44] <goopypanther> otherwise I'd say use a solenoid to pull out a stopper
[21:45] <Michemto> hmm... nichrome vs servovalve
[21:45] <Michemto> plastic part should be really thin in this case
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> what are you trying to do?
[21:45] <Michemto> but yeah it may be working
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> or http://botbench.com/blog/2011/03/12/mindsensors-pneumatic-valve-servo-kit/
[21:46] <edmoore> i would hope you're not planning on powering a valve directly from some pi i/o
[21:46] <pc1pcl-p> wax stopper in stead of plastic?
[21:48] <pc1pcl-p> spring to store energy,cut/melt retaining line, shoot bolt into container?
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[21:50] <Michemto> hehe, bolt into container :D
[21:53] <pc1pcl-p> bolt could be just a needle (maybe from a syringe?)
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[21:56] <pc1pcl-p> depends on the exact fluid container etc. if container is a balloon with water probably different than if you have a thermos of hot coffee...
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[22:07] <Michemto> :D I think i got a perfect idea... will cover neck with wax stopper and will melt nichrome inside, once power is applied, wax will melt and liquid will flow :)
[22:07] <Michemto> thanks :)
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> where will that fly btw?
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[22:35] <fsphil> how's the airspy, those who have got one?
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:36] <fsphil> night ll
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[22:47] <prog> fsphil: it kicks ass
[22:48] <prog> but I'm certainly biased
[22:49] <jarod> fsphil: very first tests http://x264.nl/dump/airspy/
[22:52] <fsphil> nice. the 4G signals are odd looking
[22:53] <fsphil> prog: designer?
[22:53] <prog> they are "cut" by the filters
[22:53] <prog> fsphil: yes
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[22:55] <prog> this one is a DX from DE to NL http://x264.nl/dump/airspy/85.035mhz-2014-11-25-airspy.jpg
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[22:55] <mikestir> isn't that exactly what you'd expect from 4g, given that it's OFDMA?
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[22:58] <prog> the center frequency is right between two LTE channels
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