highaltitude.log.20141123

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[01:32] <BeaverOne> anyone ever send up a DSLR?
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[01:56] <LeoBodnar> yes Babs did
[01:59] <BeaverOne> LeoBodnar: any details about it?
[02:03] <LeoBodnar> it's somewhere there https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/
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[02:05] <LeoBodnar> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157632733154985/
[02:07] <BeaverOne> interesting, how come he didn't go up to 30km altitude?
[02:09] <LeoBodnar> i can't remember, he shows up here from time to time
[02:10] <BeaverOne> wait a minute, he did
[02:10] <BeaverOne> https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/11834929443/in/set-72157632733154985/
[02:11] <BeaverOne> LeoBodnar: https://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8845053028/in/set-72157632733154985/
[02:11] <BeaverOne> that's awesome
[02:14] <LeoBodnar> nn, early night tonight
[02:15] <BeaverOne> good night
[02:15] <BeaverOne> thanks for your help
[02:16] <LeoBodnar> you are welcome
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[07:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03_AETH28-3 after 0315 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=_AETH28-3
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[07:44] <qyx_> those 210mAh ebay lipos died after 4 hours @30mA
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[08:01] <jcoxon> wow is this an invations
[08:01] <jcoxon> invasion*
[08:01] <jcoxon> of AETH28 balloons
[08:02] <DL1SGP> indeed jcoxon
[08:02] <DL1SGP> and good morning :)
[08:03] <jcoxon> the spacenear.us map is a little messy
[08:05] <goopypanther> haha yeah whats with all those
[08:06] <jcoxon> well they appear to be super-pressure balloons (like B-64 but bigger) launched from Project Aether
[08:08] <goopypanther> were they launched recently or did we just start including them on the map?
[08:08] <jcoxon> a bit of both
[08:08] <jcoxon> we aren't sure when they were launched but we think in the last 10 days
[08:08] <jcoxon> project aether are a bit secretive (as they are commercial)
[08:09] <goopypanther> I'm assuming all from aether base in ca?
[08:09] <jcoxon> i guess
[08:09] <jcoxon> it would be nice to know
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[08:25] <Upu> are they using Aadamsons boards ?
[08:28] <arko> wow
[08:28] <arko> looks like someone gave a kid some crayons and a map
[08:30] <Upu> would explain why he's gone quiet
[08:31] <Upu> and why he was getting a large run of them made
[08:31] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2508.JPG
[08:36] <lz1dev> lol at the resistor snake path
[08:37] <Upu> its the lpf for the radio
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[08:47] <jededu> Whats this one called upu
[08:52] <jededu> Oh its Aadamsons
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[10:29] <DutchMillbt> !dial MEURS
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> 03DutchMillbt: Latest dials for 03PWSwag 10(9777): none
[10:29] <bertrik> !payload PWSwag
[10:29] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Payload 03PWSwag 10(9777) 03$$MEURS - 03434.1 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 1
[10:31] <DutchMillbt> ...mmm tricky frequency
[10:31] <craag> Looks like they're having some fun with the gps
[10:31] <craag> lat,lon,alt all glitching
[10:33] <DutchMillbt> yep the famous teleporting experiment ;-)
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[10:45] <_Paradigm> We will be launching our balloon in approx 1 hour :D
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[10:47] <PE2G> _Paradigm:: Is your balloon MEURS?
[10:47] <_Paradigm> Yep
[10:47] <PE2G> Tnx, good luck!
[10:47] <_Paradigm> It went to azerbijan yesterday.. lol
[10:47] <_Paradigm> Thanks :)
[10:52] <DutchMillbt> _Paradigm Good morings what is the expected burst alt.?
[10:55] <_Paradigm> We hope to be touching 20km
[10:56] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03AETH28-4 after 033 days silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH28-4
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[10:57] <DutchMillbt> oke good luck! i'm ready for tracking the balloon
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[10:58] <bertrik> _Paradigm: do you have a prediction for the direction it will fly to and a landing spot?
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[10:59] <DutchMillbt> Yes flightpath _> Enkhuizen _> IJsselmeer -> Heerenveen
[10:59] <_Paradigm> Itll be launched in Ijmuiden, Netherlands and land near Groningen, Netherlands
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[11:01] <bertrik> Do you have one of those keychain camera's onboard? I think they are known to interfere with GPS
[11:01] <DutchMillbt> Landingspot in the vicinity of Aldeboarn...based on a ascent/decent rate of 5 m/s
[11:05] <DL1SGP> goeden dag bertrik and DutchMillbt
[11:06] <DutchMillbt> guten Tag DL1SGP
[11:07] <DL1SGP> ah good luck for the Meurs launch
[11:07] <craag> bertrik: Looks to me like their logic for check fix status is dodgy.
[11:09] <craag> Plus the two true HD keychain cameras I've used caused no problem with gps
[11:10] <craag> No noticable delay on a cold-start lock from a chip antenna breakout with the running camera sitting ontop of the antenna :)
[11:10] <bertrik> ok
[11:10] <craag> Twas a MAX6 though - which have the SAW filter
[11:11] <craag> MAX7/8 don't
[11:11] <craag> Sent one cam back, lost the other up a tree - so can't test them ;)
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[11:22] <DL1SGP> that tree must have been planted by ninja goats
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[11:36] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03AETH28-3 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=AETH28-3
[11:44] <Maxell> OK - Both remote and local RX set up
[11:54] <Maxell> Hmmm, should get some telemetry uploaded by now, right?
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[11:58] <Maxell> lalallalalal
[12:06] <Herman_> !flights
[12:06] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman_: Current flights: 03PWSwag Mark-1 10(9777), 03MM2 10(8a63), 03EDUPICM8 duration test 10(29b3), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[12:07] Nick change: Herman_ -> Herman-PB0AHX
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[12:15] <_Paradigm> We launched just now :)
[12:16] <PB0NER-Martijn> is that MEURS?
[12:20] <Maxell> yes
[12:20] <Maxell> jarod: incoming!
[12:20] <Maxell> jarod: they launched!
[12:21] <PB0NER-Martijn> is it me or is it not visible on the tracker
[12:21] <Maxell> it is not yet
[12:21] <Maxell> habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=MEURS*
[12:21] <Maxell> start tracking!
[12:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03MEURS after 0315 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MEURS
[12:22] <Maxell> yes!
[12:22] <Maxell> jarod: you should have it already :P
[12:22] <PB0NER-Martijn> indeed ... caause by same name, I think.. see it now
[12:22] <PE2G> !dial MEURS
[12:22] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: Latest dials for 03PWSwag 10(9777): 03111.111111 MHz
[12:24] <Maxell> Its on 434.124
[12:24] <Maxell> PD5TON: 434.124
[12:24] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: 434.124
[12:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> ik heb hem maxell
[12:24] <jarod> Above my house :O
[12:24] <Maxell> PB0NER-Martijn: 434.124
[12:25] <Maxell> DutchMillbt: 434.124
[12:25] <Maxell> :P
[12:25] <Maxell> PE2G: 434.124
[12:25] <bertrik> !dial MEURS
[12:25] <SpacenearUS> 03bertrik: Latest dials for 03PWSwag 10(9777): 03111.111111 MHz, 434.124 MHz
[12:25] <_Paradigm> We can't receive it properly ourselves.. lol
[12:25] <Maxell> _Paradigm: uh oh
[12:26] <Maxell> Whats the problem? Too weak in the chase car?
[12:26] <PD5TON> Maxell, tnx
[12:26] <_Paradigm> Yeah I guess
[12:26] <bertrik> IIRC, you can have reception problems if it's right above you
[12:27] <jarod> Barely receiving here :O) http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/434.124mhz-2014-11-23-meurs.jpg
[12:27] <Maxell> Ha, Herman-PB0AHX we are both number one right now http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[12:27] <Maxell> bertrik: not with those small antennas that you get with the rtl-sdr sticks
[12:28] <Maxell> _Paradigm: what kind of antenna for rx, and whats your rtl-sdr gain?
[12:28] <Maxell> jarod: check left corner down in dl-fldigi whats the signal to noise ratio?
[12:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> u are winning maxell
[12:29] <Maxell> \o/
[12:29] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: how? :o
[12:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> lot of qrm here on that qrg
[12:30] <jarod> 25deb
[12:30] <jarod> db
[12:30] <Maxell> Noes, a red one :( $$MEURS,198$12:30:19,5233.00429,00441.08582,1002,32.50,32.50,265,8.14*02BE
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[12:31] <Maxell> 19 to 21 dB s/n there
[12:31] <_Paradigm> I am glad you get greens xD
[12:31] <jarod> you had to wait one week
[12:31] <Maxell> jarod: UK balloon yesterday was stronger
[12:31] <jarod> in 1-2 days airspy arrives :D
[12:31] <Maxell> _Paradigm: well, try to resolve that asap
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[12:31] <Maxell> because you are going to get the last few decodes yourself
[12:31] <PA3WEG> hi all
[12:31] <Maxell> PA3WEG: 434,124
[12:32] <_Paradigm> We are trying our best, yes
[12:32] <DutchMillbt> Hi Wouter
[12:32] <Maxell> oko kok ok ok okk ok _Paradigm :P
[12:32] <PA3WEG> Maxell: look at whos decoding
[12:32] <_Paradigm> We have sms as backup :)
[12:32] <PA3WEG> I just thought....hey, an unnanounced balloon, lets head over to IRC
[12:33] <PA3WEG> launched in the airport area without NOTAM....
[12:33] <PA3WEG> anyone more news?
[12:33] <Maxell> Is it going up very slow? 0.9 m/s?
[12:34] <Maxell> 12,7 horizontal
[12:34] <PA3WEG> http://www.bird.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Notam.pdf
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[12:36] <jarod> the balloon is straight in the ILS path now :P
[12:37] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/AFR1740/4e10d8b
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[12:37] <PA3WEG> well, lets hope for our hobby nothing happens....
[12:37] <jarod> stupid place to let one go :P
[12:38] <Maxell> hah
[12:38] <Maxell> well
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[12:38] <Maxell> *at* schiphol would be worse
[12:38] <jarod> no
[12:38] <jarod> in the ILS is the worst
[12:38] <Maxell> _Paradigm: hey you guys are uploading again
[12:38] <jarod> at schiphol no one notices it
[12:38] <Maxell> what was going wrong
[12:38] <_Paradigm> Yep we just received some good data :D
[12:39] <_Paradigm> We were in the middle of a city
[12:39] <_Paradigm> I think the buildings were blocking the line of sight
[12:40] <PB0NER-Martijn> Please, NEVER EVER LET A BALOON FLY WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE AVIATION AUTHORITIES!!!!!!!
[12:40] <jarod> well... luckily the wind is in their favour
[12:40] <PB0NER-Martijn> I'm in the progress of informing them now
[12:41] <PB0NER-Martijn> no it is NOT
[12:41] <jarod> well it is
[12:41] <jarod> if it went to east, even more horrible
[12:41] <_Paradigm> PB0NER-Martijn: We contacted the aviation center 2 months ago, and they gave us green light
[12:41] <jarod> or west
[12:41] <PB0NER-Martijn> do you now about the air routes?
[12:41] <jarod> i have a FR24 receiver and know all SIDs by memory, so yes :P
[12:41] <PB0NER-Martijn> why is there nothing on the NOTAM?
[12:43] <jarod> well update them anyway
[12:43] <jarod> keep away from alkmaar ++
[12:43] <_Paradigm> PB0NER-Martijn: I don't know, but they gave us permission by mail
[12:44] <Darkside> i doubt they have that authority
[12:44] <PB0NER-Martijn> just spoke to the schiphol tower and the do not know anything about is, me as a pilot can not find anything about is
[12:44] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm: snail or 'e'?
[12:45] <PB0NER-Martijn> it might be very well a glitch in the system at their side... but I have never seen that.
[12:46] <PA3WEG> well, I guess if you get ¨permission¨ from the authority that you think has the right to issue that permission, you did everything you can....
[12:46] <PB0NER-Martijn> they are very picky about the Schiphol CTR
[12:46] <PA3WEG> whether that authority is allowed to do that is actually their problem...especially if you have written permission.
[12:46] <jarod> balloon Y U NO climb?
[12:46] <_Paradigm> I believe we did everything we could, causing accidents is the last thing we'd want
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[12:47] <PA3WEG> _Paradigm: hence ny comment
[12:47] <PB0NER-Martijn> indeed... I agree with PA3WEG ... but something is wrong for sure
[12:47] <jarod> maybe MEURS is listening on the wrong tower freq... bloody kut kabouter
[12:47] <PA3WEG> I also found the notice just now thanks to PE1ANS. I am on the mailing list digest, and the announcement was yesterday
[12:47] <PB0NER-Martijn> but I cannot believe anyone would get permission for that location
[12:48] <PA3WEG> so not in my mailbox just yet
[12:48] <PA3WEG> _Paradigm: sorry for bringing it up in a negative way, that was not intended!
[12:49] <Maxell> PA3WEG: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/hjPyDO6kZ1Y
[12:49] <PA3WEG> looks like you guys did what you had to do, and someone at the aviation center is out of line....
[12:49] <_Paradigm> No that's OK, I understand that it is very important
[12:49] <PB0NER-Martijn> indeed ...
[12:49] <PA3WEG> Maxell: yup, found it, like I said, I am on digest, and this means 1 day delay in mail receipt.
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[12:50] <makcanca> Hi :)
[12:50] <PA3WEG> and I defo do not want MORE mail in my inbox ;)
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[12:50] <Maxell> mogguh MH_
[12:50] <PB0NER-Martijn> PA3WEG: I just send your e few more :)
[12:50] <Maxell> MH_: you alread decoded down under the horizon :)
[12:51] <makcanca> Is there anybody who used Aerogel in HAB flights ?
[12:52] <PB0NER-Martijn> just received a phone call
[12:52] <PB0NER-Martijn> Approach/Departure wants me to update the the location/altitude every 5 minutes ... interesting
[12:53] <makcanca> I wonder why...
[12:53] <PB0NER-Martijn> I pointed them to the tracker
[12:53] <Maxell> PB0NER-Martijn: how about they open http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=MEURS*
[12:54] <Maxell> :P
[12:54] <PB0NER-Martijn> makcanca: because the do not know what it is and where it goes... safety first
[12:55] <makcanca> :) thanks for inf.
[12:55] <_Paradigm> Thanks PB0NER-Martijn for helping us out there :)
[12:56] <PB0NER-Martijn> thing is those guys have no Internet so someones private laptop is being started with a Dongle ..
[12:56] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm: you seem to have done things right ...
[12:56] <PB0NER-Martijn> I am just trying to fix some fuck-up
[12:56] <bertrik> hm, with this ascent rate it's not predicted to land in groningen, but rather fly over the waddenzee ...
[12:57] <PB0NER-Martijn> and save the possibility for future balloons in NL
[12:58] <_Paradigm> bertrik: true..
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[13:03] <Maxell> jarod: losing signal already?
[13:04] Action: Maxell king of the decodes!
[13:04] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm: you are welcome..
[13:05] <PB0NER-Martijn> Damn... I wanted to watch the F1 ... that is a no go
[13:08] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm: can you tell me the weight / size of the payload and the color of the balloon?
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[13:09] <_Paradigm> Weight of the payload is 700gr, size about 20x20x30 cm, white balloon
[13:10] <PB0NER-Martijn> thanx
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[13:13] <PB0NER-Martijn> Ok everything settled down now... no worries
[13:14] <PE2G> MEURS QRG very stable
[13:14] <Maxell> _Paradigm: are you guys going to be sad if you lost the balloon?
[13:14] <Maxell> For some reason it feels like that thing is going to float
[13:15] <_Paradigm> Nah I wouldn't mind
[13:15] <PE2G> Maxell: At what alt, do you reckon?
[13:16] <Maxell> PE2G: I have no idea, but it feels like it's going up -way- too slow
[13:16] <PE2G> Yeah
[13:16] <Maxell> Real time predictor also have problems predicting burst and touchdown
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[13:18] <craag> even if it bursts at 20k...
[13:18] <craag> Could almost be in denmark by then
[13:19] <craag> I'm impressed by the number of receivers you guys have over there!
[13:21] <PB0NER-Martijn> craag: its the same support as the UK HABS normally have
[13:22] <DutchMillbt> contacted (e-mail) PA3DJR i think we need him in the comming hours ;-)
[13:22] <PB0NER-Martijn> there is a very active tracker club in the the Hague Area
[13:22] <craag> Yes I hadn't noticed the concentration of the Hague cluster before
[13:22] <craag> looks like one fat green line on habmap!
[13:23] <PA3WEG> Sorry, guilty!
[13:23] <_Paradigm> Nice! :)
[13:23] <PA3WEG> I sort of mentioned it a lot here
[13:23] <PA3WEG> and wrote an article about HABs in a dutch HAM magazine
[13:23] <craag> Cool!
[13:23] <PA3WEG> I remember someone made a movie of towers popping up over time
[13:24] <craag> That was me
[13:24] <PA3WEG> I had that feeling
[13:24] <PB0NER-Martijn> I just contacted DJR ... he is on the map now
[13:24] <craag> I should update
[13:24] <craag> it
[13:24] <PA3WEG> I was going to say, so I need to call Jan DJR
[13:25] <PA3WEG> but no need then ;)
[13:25] <craag> Need to dig out the old scripts - then see how many load warnings I can trigger on habitat ;)
[13:26] <PA3WEG> hehehe....
[13:26] <PA3WEG> would be nice if you can do a dutch one ;)
[13:27] <craag> err yeah, just geofencing the dataset would work I guess
[13:27] <craag> I *might* have a chance to give it a go in the next couple of days - will let you know
[13:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am on skype white jan now
[13:28] <DutchMillbt> nice
[13:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> he have problems with sound agn grgrgrgr
[13:31] <PB0NER-Martijn> thx Herman-PB0AHX I assumed you would do so... I'm a busy hotline rightnow
[13:32] <Maxell> we also need moar listerners from Denmark :P
[13:34] <Maxell> SA6BSS-Mike: yo check out http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?filter=MEURS*
[13:35] <bertrik> _Paradigm: what kind of transmitter module are you using, it is very stable indeed?
[13:35] <_Paradigm> Ntx2b-fa from the hab store
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[13:41] <Laurenceb_> i think AETH have screwed up this APRS geofence
[13:41] <Laurenceb_> *their
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[13:44] <DL1SGP> meurs really likes it slow :D
[13:45] <PB0NER-Martijn> Howdy Thomas
[13:45] Action: DL1SGP sent OZ1SKY a message about MEURS
[13:46] <PB0NER-Martijn> I think it wil go nd blow the B64 record :)
[13:46] <Maxell> Laurenceb_: oh do they suppose to geofence? I remeber them calling out for 144.39 listeners
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[13:47] <_Paradigm> Woops internet was gone
[13:47] <DL1SGP> my station currently is offline due to adding another antenna on the mast, but it should be back online in a while, just wiring left to be done and then extending to full height again
[13:47] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm: I did send you a Private chat message
[13:47] <DL1SGP> welcome back internet, glad you brought _Paradigm back to us
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[13:48] <Maxell> DL1SGP: traded PE1ANS_ though
[13:49] <_Paradigm> Lol
[13:50] <DL1SGP> hehe, PE1ANS sacrificed for the internet of things
[13:52] <PE2G> MEURS seems to be floating now
[13:53] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[13:53] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
[13:53] <PA3WEG> that was a power nap!
[13:53] <Maxell> PE2G: yep we have total float
[13:53] <Maxell> R.I.P. v1 MEURS balloon
[13:55] <craag> what size of latex balloon was this?
[13:55] <x-f> 700g
[13:55] <x-f> weird
[13:55] <Maxell> LOL
[13:55] <Maxell> did somone update the predictor
[13:56] <Maxell> dat path
[13:56] <DL1SGP> on present course and altitude it won't be getting audible here, however if Brian comes on later he should hear it fine :) it is heading towards him
[13:56] <Maxell> SA6BSS-Mike: wake up! :P
[13:56] <Maxell> It's going to bomb SA6BSS-Mike
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[13:56] <DL1SGP> moin Sven
[13:56] <x-f> ah, payload is 700g, don't know size of the balloon
[13:56] <DL1SGP> well I gonna walk the dog and then resume work on antennas before it gets too dark, so bbiab
[13:57] <craag> aiming for 20km and floating at 5km is a hell of an effort!
[13:57] <DL1SGP> hehe craag
[13:57] <PE2G> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/151933_trj001.gif
[13:59] <x-f> i was thinking there could be some glitch in the GPS parsing code, but then UK trackers would pick it up already
[14:00] <Maxell> x-f: well
[14:00] <Maxell> hmm
[14:00] <Maxell> x-f: MH_ did RXed before horizon
[14:01] <Maxell> might have bee troposcatter tough
[14:01] <bertrik> -0.6 m/s now /o\
[14:01] <PA3WEG> _Paradigm: how did you measure neck lift, and what balloon did you use?
[14:01] <PA3WEG> floaty floaty....!
[14:02] <Maxell> PA3WEG: sad sad meurs :(
[14:02] <PA3WEG> _Paradigm: did you put a note in saying call me when found? if found in denmark, at least you would get your pics back maybe....
[14:03] <PA3WEG> provided it will land there
[14:03] <Maxell> It's getting weaker for me...
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[14:03] <Maxell> Might be some buildings blocking view... But not looking good
[14:03] <_Paradigm_> Too little helium lol
[14:04] <Maxell> _Paradigm_: did you put a note in saying call me when found? if found in denmark, at least you would get your pics back maybe....
[14:04] <Maxell> provided it will land there
[14:04] <_Paradigm_> Yeah we put a note on the payload in Dutch English and German
[14:05] <Maxell> Top
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
[14:05] <lz1dev> !whereis b-64
[14:05] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03B-64 is over 03North Atlantic Ocean 10(62.524,-22.4749) at 0312526 meters
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[14:06] <Maxell> wow tx stopped
[14:06] <lz1dev> yes for nuuk igate
[14:06] <lz1dev> yey*
[14:06] <Maxell> ah going again
[14:06] <PE2G> !hysplit B-64
[14:06] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141123-10_150503_B64.gif
[14:06] <lz1dev> no wait, nuuk was in greenland
[14:07] <lz1dev> !hysplit run b-64
[14:07] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[14:08] <Maxell> PA3WEG: not floating anymore
[14:08] <Maxell> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/MEURS#g/altitude,_vertical_rate
[14:08] <Maxell> Might be a small leak
[14:09] <PE2G> Or icing?
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[14:10] <Maxell> nar outside temp is above 30°C
[14:11] <Maxell> uh above 20°C :)
[14:11] <PB0NER-Martijn> are you sure?
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[14:11] <x-f> Maxell, internal and external temps are equal
[14:11] <_Paradigm_> Yep, that is my fault :)
[14:12] <PB0NER-Martijn> hot news read all about it dutch isles becam tropical over night
[14:12] <_Paradigm_> Lol xD
[14:12] <Maxell> _Paradigm_: do the tempratures work at all? 25°C ?
[14:12] <Maxell> PE2G: PB0NER-Martijn: well not at the coldest point...
[14:12] <PB0NER-Martijn> indeed it should be freezing
[14:13] <Maxell> At 5 km?
[14:13] <PB0NER-Martijn> yep
[14:13] <Maxell> 4 km
[14:13] <Maxell> actually
[14:13] <_Paradigm_> One of them should work, and 25 degrees could be the internal T?
[14:13] <Maxell> yeah could
[14:13] <Maxell> so outside one is bogus
[14:14] <_Paradigm_> If they both dont work, both would say -127
[14:14] <PB0NER-Martijn> seems that way
[14:15] <Maxell> B-64 getting out of hand, even on his own filtered page...
[14:15] <Maxell> We need aprs.fi style "only show last x y"
[14:15] <pretec> What is this b-64?
[14:17] <PB0NER-Martijn> a balloon floating for months no... it circled the workd several times
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[14:18] <PB0NER-Martijn> look here to see that: http://spacenear.us/tracker/flyb.php
[14:18] <Maxell> Ok I'm about to lose it here...
[14:18] <PE2G> pretec: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
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[14:18] <Maxell> I will have to give up my #1 pos :(
[14:18] <PB0NER-Martijn> still going strong here
[14:19] <ChrisMostert> Thank you all for tracking our balloon :)
[14:19] <ChrisMostert> We lost the signal some time ago
[14:19] <PB0NER-Martijn> You are very very welcome and this one has been extremely interesting for me...
[14:20] <ChrisMostert> For us too ;)
[14:20] <bertrik> would be nice to have more receivers in the north of the netherlands now
[14:20] <ChrisMostert> I am afraid we won't be able to track the balloon until the end
[14:21] <ChrisMostert> Note to self: use way more helium next time. ;)
[14:23] <Maxell> ChrisMostert: how did you guys decided it suffcient helium?
[14:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> ChrisMostert: but ur configuration working fine
[14:24] <Maxell> yeah TX is no problem at all very stable too :)
[14:24] <bertrik> also the GPS is working well despite earlier weirdness
[14:25] <ChrisMostert> Which is a small miracle...
[14:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have some qrm here from wide band fm sometimes
[14:26] <ChrisMostert> The flight patch from the tracker wiil be archived, right?
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Maxwell, show in GE you can turn off parts of flight now.
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Yes you can download from the ept page on Habitat
[14:29] <ChrisMostert> cool, thanks.
[14:30] <Maxell> time for dunes
[14:30] <Maxell> brb
[14:30] <Maxell> lol
[14:31] <PB0NER-Martijn> Herman-PB0AHX: same here
[14:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03PD1ODE_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=PD1ODE_chase
[14:34] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: No QRM at all here (for a change)
[14:39] <pretec> PE2G: Ah, thanks!
[14:57] <ChrisMostert> PE2G and MH, you are now officially recieving the last distress calls of the Meurs mark-1 before it bites the dust :p
[14:57] <ChrisMostert> Oh and GOS :)
[14:58] <ChrisMostert> So thank you :D
[15:03] <PB0NER-Martijn> Dust? interesting
[15:04] <ChrisMostert> very wet dust
[15:05] <PE2G> Losing MEURS at -0.4 deg , 173 km
[15:08] <ChrisMostert> We should get an SMS with the coördinates once the payload goes lower than 500 metres
[15:08] <PB0NER-Martijn> I do not thing there will be a cell-tower available :)
[15:09] <PE2G> Yeah, you need a GSM base station within range
[15:10] <_Paradigm_> Neither do I... why didnt KPN place a tower in the North Sea? :D
[15:10] <ChrisMostert> Lousy coverage... :P
[15:11] <PE2G> Maybe a cell tower on one of the islands. Like Norderney
[15:12] <ChrisMostert> We shall see
[15:12] <DL1SGP> aww it popped
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[15:13] <ChrisMostert> How do you know?
[15:13] <PE2G> I think it's deflating slowly
[15:13] <PB0NER-Martijn> the trackers do not show a parachute ...
[15:14] <ChrisMostert> So what was the aximum height, like 4.5 km?
[15:15] <DL1SGP> deflating then :) in other terms, going down and not staying in float
[15:15] <PE2G> Icing probably didn't play a major role. The 0 deg C level was at ~1500 m
[15:16] <ChrisMostert> The habhub tracker show temperatures above 30 deg C for us most of the time
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[15:24] <PB0NER-Martijn> ChrisMostert: eh ... thank you for building a payload and the flight.. so you could thank us for tracking ..
[15:24] <PE2G> ChrisMostert: here are flight stats: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/MEURS
[15:24] <ChrisMostert> Once again thank you to the entire community, we wouldn't have been able to do this without you guys
[15:25] <ChrisMostert> We hope it was fun for you too :)
[15:25] <PB0NER-Martijn> It has been ... an extremely interesting flight...
[15:25] <PE2G> It was, Tnx for the flight!
[15:26] <ChrisMostert> And thank you for kind of averting the entire schiphol disaster
[15:26] <PB0NER-Martijn> my whole scedule for today has been turned upside down
[15:26] <_Paradigm_> Yea thanks a lot!
[15:26] <PB0NER-Martijn> It seems you did all you could and did that right
[15:26] <PE2G> ChrisMostert: Any fix by GSM yet?
[15:27] <_Paradigm_> We are discussing mk 2 now.. lol
[15:27] <ChrisMostert> Does not seem like it, sadly
[15:27] <ChrisMostert> Radio signal has been lost, i presume?
[15:28] <PD5TON> Had a lot of fun today with Meurs. Thank you guys. Russian submarine will picke up payload.
[15:28] <PB0NER-Martijn> last package altitude was 465m so I think so
[15:30] <PB0NER-Martijn> _Paradigm_: will you send me an email?
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[15:31] <ChrisMostert> Once again we apologize for any caused inconveniences, hopefully our next balloon will be a less stressful experience for some of us ;)
[15:31] <_Paradigm_> PB0NER-Martijn: will do!
[15:32] <PB0NER-Martijn> you have my em? I assume you were on the road
[15:32] <PB0NER-Martijn> when I gave it to you
[15:32] <PB0NER-Martijn> eh what the hell ... info@pb0ner.nl
[15:32] <PB0NER-Martijn> for sure
[15:34] <PB0NER-Martijn> and again... I did that to keep HAB possible in NL... Keep it safe for air traffic and eventually improve some procedures
[15:36] <PB0NER-Martijn> I kown my way around in that little world and speak the language.. I was my duty, I had the time and after all it was great fun
[15:36] <PB0NER-Martijn> I apologise for the initial shouting response
[15:37] <ChrisMostert> No problem at all!
[15:37] <_Paradigm_> Safety first
[15:37] <PB0NER-Martijn> Indeed... I was tought exactly that
[15:38] <PB0NER-Martijn> ok... I'm on the side.. working on my 23cm TX which I planned to do today
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[15:43] <ChrisMostert> Is it possible to download a list off all packets from our flight?
[15:43] <ChrisMostert> from http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/MEURS#g
[15:44] <craag> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22b8f2b0aa48e958072b9067ab78639777%22,%2240b8857d4c91704027be9d2f26937c29%22]&endkey=[%22b8f2b0aa48e958072b9067ab78639777%22,%2240b8857d4c91704027be9d2f26937c29%22,[]]&fields=_sentence,_receivers,sentence_id,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,temperature_internal,temperature_external,heading,battery
[15:44] <craag> that gives you everything in a csv
[15:44] <craag> included the parsed telem values
[15:45] <ChrisMostert> Thank you very much!
[15:45] <craag> np, well done on the flight! Better luck with recovery next time ;)
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[15:48] <PB0NER-Martijn> as said there is a Russion submarine on standby
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[15:48] <PB0NER-Martijn> ;)
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[16:03] <Maxell> back from the tunes
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[16:04] <Maxell> It was 0,7 degrees below the horizon when I started installed the gear
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[16:13] <Maxell> Oh, look, a wild yagi! How cute! http://i.sigio.nl/0204fe329580c91a49375bbb7826d230.jpg
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[16:39] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SP5DED-7_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SP5DED-7_chase
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[16:44] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[16:44] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141123-14_152027_B64.gif
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[16:53] <PA3WEG> Maxell: nice!
[16:54] <PA3WEG> tunes = dunes I guess ;)
[16:54] <PA3WEG> iDunes
[16:58] <Maxell> PA3WEG: yeah, 15:30:46 < Maxell> time for dunes
[16:58] <Maxell> oh yep typie tunes XD
[16:58] <Maxell> Now I need to make another yaesu to 4 pins for android rtty uploader
[17:00] <PA3WEG> Maxell: I did spot the initial message, just thought tunes was fun
[17:00] <PA3WEG> Maxell: do you have the connectors
[17:01] <PA3WEG> ?
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[17:06] <Maxell> PA3WEG: yes, as you can see the 5 amphour lead gel battery has powerpole :)
[17:06] <Maxell> I'm thinking of replacing the molex on the Yaesu completly
[17:06] <Maxell> So I do not need this molex to powerpole cable...
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[17:25] <LeoBodnar> lack frog she tunas?
[17:28] <Maxell> lolwat
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[18:41] <tweetBot> @jamescoxon: http://t.co/Z0pHANmRUZ #UKHAS possible websdr to be used for future flights?!
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[19:17] <mikestir> nice. hack green got 2 and 70
[19:17] <mikestir> wonder if I can see myself on it
[19:18] <Myself> I see mikestir.
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[19:18] <mikestir> that's in relation to the above tweet by the way, in case you are scratching your head
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[19:23] <Oddstr13> awesome
[19:24] <mikestir> it seems the 70cm coverage stops at 434 so not so good for hab unless they can be persuaded to retune
[19:25] <mikestir> and it seems deaf. I can get into it on 2m but no trace on 70
[19:26] <fsphil> there are signals on the 70cm band
[19:26] <fsphil> 433.150
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[19:27] <mikestir> something on 350. seems dead apart from that
[19:27] <mikestir> 150 will have been GB3CR doing an ident I guess
[19:28] <mikestir> that will be an enormous signal at hack green
[19:29] <mikestir> 350 is GB3MR which will also be huge
[19:31] <Oddstr13> I'm amazed that this works in my browser with just html5
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[19:35] <craag> Oddstr13: Have you seen http://websdr.suws.org.uk/ ?
[19:36] <Oddstr13> craag: nope, thanks for the link
[19:36] <Oddstr13> my laptop can barley cope with one of them at the time tho :P
[19:37] <craag> That one has the HAB and satellite bands on 70cm
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[19:40] <Oddstr13> first one has APRS at 144.8 MHz
[19:40] <Oddstr13> trying to find the audio modem program i know i have lying around somewhere :P
[19:40] <craag> second one does too :P
[19:41] <craag> (note: I help run the second one)
[19:41] <Oddstr13> awesome
[19:41] <Oddstr13> wonder if i can spot any of the floaters right now
[19:42] <Oddstr13> also, is there an API for the websdr, allowing me to use it in an external application?
[19:43] <Oddstr13> gnuradio forexample
[19:43] <craag> Not at the moment, you'd need to use something like Virtual Audio Cable to pipe the audio into another app
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[19:48] <Oddstr13> well, the CPU usage on my laptop is kinda high with it in the browser :P
[19:48] <mikestir> can you not just access whatever stream the html5 audio streamer accesses?
[19:48] <craag> it uses websockets
[19:49] <mikestir> oh, so some proprietary format?
[19:49] <craag> I took a look but couldn't work out what format it was streaming in, does something weird to the audio data in the browser.
[19:49] <craag> no gotta be an open format to be html5 compatible in firefox
[19:50] <craag> also if we got the format right, it's quite easy to interface, something like /stream?freq=144800&mode=3&bw=12500 iirc
[19:50] <mikestir> yeah but presumably they can de-mangle it first in some way if its websockets rather than vanilla html5 audio?
[19:51] <craag> websockets is just the transport
[19:51] <craag> like a tcp pipe
[19:51] <craag> but err the license agreement prohibits me trying to reverse engineer it :P
[19:51] <mikestir> that's what I mean, as opposed to just passing the stream url to the html5 audio tag
[19:52] <craag> yep, so it gets the incoming packets, does something to them, then outputs the streaming data to a html5 audio element
[19:52] <Oddstr13> craag: I however... never agreed to not reverse engineering it :P
[19:52] <craag> Oddstr13: Please, go ahead!
[19:53] <craag> Everything but the server binaries is here: https://github.com/SUWS/websdr-config/
[19:53] <Oddstr13> if it can be done in javascript, it can be done in python.
[19:53] <craag> (server is closed-source, I don't have it)
[19:53] <Oddstr13> just hope it isn't a ridicolusly obfuscated js
[19:54] <craag> errrrrrrrrm
[19:54] <craag> https://github.com/SUWS/websdr-config/blob/master/dist11/pub2/websdr-sound.js
[19:54] <craag> enjoy!
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[19:55] <mikestir> yeah hack green 70cms doesn't seem that good. CR is strong but the liverpool repeater is almost undetectable on it
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[19:57] <Oddstr13> mikestir: can't possibly be worse than from up here xD
[19:58] <Oddstr13> craag: yay ._.
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[20:02] <mikestir> craag: what's involved in getting the websdr software?
[20:03] <mikestir> there's a fair probability I could establish one on one of the north wales hills
[20:03] <mikestir> I suppose I should really finish webradio :)
[20:04] <craag> mikestir: You'd have to talk to Pieter PA3FWM
[20:04] <craag> Some info on: http://www.websdr.org/faq.html
[20:05] <mikestir> there's one in chester
[20:05] <chrisstubbs> craag, have you seen they are running an SDR on a cheap tp-link router for satNOGS?
[20:06] <mikestir> http://www.cheshiresdr.co.uk/
[20:06] <chrisstubbs> it says they are doing signal receiving and processing which seems pretty impressive for a router
[20:06] <staylo> mikestir: which north wales hill? :)
[20:06] <mikestir> halkyn
[20:07] <craag> chrisstubbs: That would be impressive - I looked at their software a few weeks ago but they only had the rotator and auto-tracking software, no sdr. got a link?
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> https://satnogs.org/
[20:08] <chrisstubbs> I was just looking at 3d printing the rotator
[20:08] <staylo> Ah, cool, should be a good site. I'm between Llangollen and Wrexham.
[20:08] <craag> err yes
[20:08] <craag> ah found their github
[20:08] <craag> hehe ok, maybe just getting started now: https://github.com/satnogs/satnogs-software/blob/master/simplesdr/simplesdr.py
[20:09] <craag> although that does say 15 Apr...
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[20:10] <craag> looks like they're just running: rtl-fm | multimon
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[20:11] <mikestir> staylo: you're not steve JYN are you?
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[20:13] <chrisstubbs> so atm it is just sending the I/Q over the network?
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[20:14] <craag> No, they're using the rtl-fm demodulator that's a well written util for doing FM demod from the rtlsdr, and then piping the audio from that into the multimon aprs software
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[20:14] <craag> so nothing particularly special tbh
[20:14] <craag> I will be looking at writing some fsk demodulation software soon
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[20:16] <craag> also there are some tplink routers with ~800MHz CPUs
[20:16] <staylo> mikestir: No, not met him. I think I know where he's based though, not far away.
[20:17] <craag> so they're about the same capability as pi
[20:17] <craag> * a pi
[20:17] <murb> craag: if they've been designed to route, they're probably rather better.
[20:18] <craag> ?
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[20:28] <mikestir> the tp link router I have running openwrt can do about 400 Mbps routed (not through the switch), so they're quite capable
[20:28] <mikestir> I think that one's only a 400 MHz cpu
[20:28] <craag> oh for routing sure
[20:29] <craag> I also use almost eclusively tplink with openwrt ;)
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[20:29] <craag> *exclusively
[20:29] <craag> I was originally meaning for running sdr apps
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv
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[20:31] <gb73d> kool
[20:32] <gb73d> got iton tv now
[20:32] <mikestir> craag: mips seems to have MAC and floating point by default so it's probably quite good at it
[20:33] <qyx_> whats happening @nasa?
[20:34] <mikestir> soyuz launch
[20:37] <mikestir> he keeps calling it "baconur". did they move it to dave's garden?
[20:38] <edmoore> when does it launch?
[20:39] <mikestir> 25 mins I think they just said
[20:40] <qyx_> lol the music
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[20:40] <mikestir> ha. you'd think they could manage better than the hold music from their phone system
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[20:44] <malclocke> omg ... the poor crew are being subjected to that music :(
[20:45] <ulfr> malclocke: I was thinking the same thing.
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> The russian approach to reducing boiloff.
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> Pick a cryogenic launch site
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[20:57] <malclocke> Olaf the snowman is in the cockpit
[20:57] <gb73d> glued now
[21:03] <mikestir> they're using an analogue video downlink
[21:03] <mikestir> it's no spacex
[21:04] <daveake> Who needs G readouts when you have an Olaf
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> It's russia.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> They use an 10kW TV transmitter.
[21:05] <mikestir> seems to work better than ustream anyway
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[21:06] <daveake> oops
[21:07] <daveake> frame lock jumped
[21:08] <jarod> People and their feelings, you know what really can be described as the worst feeling in the world? Putting an antenna up in the middle of the night, dark, cold and very windy. Not that's not it. The worst feeling is dropping an essential nut to mount the antenna while in a hurry + all of the above.
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[21:09] <edmoore> yes
[21:09] <edmoore> that's annoying
[21:10] <mikestir> you'd think they'd have learned how to drive the thing first rather than frantically leafing through the manual in mid flight
[21:12] <daveake> "and when I slap this file on the dash ..."
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[22:45] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03Qobra4_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=Qobra4_chase
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