highaltitude.log.20141118

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[00:13] <qyx_> olol
[00:14] <qyx_> lz1dev: do they know about it?
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> oh ids
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> i see
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> that helps massively
[00:19] <lz1dev> qyx_: what?
[00:20] <Laurenceb_> thanks for the help lz1dev
[00:20] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
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[00:23] <qyx_> lz1dev: I assumed you are getting data for hysplit computation the same way
[00:24] <lz1dev> im using their service, not the offline version
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[00:25] <qyx_> so hysplits are computed/fetched only if requested?
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[00:27] <qyx_> ah i see the log
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[00:59] <OSJ_BUE> Hello! good nights! how is it going?
[01:08] <OSJ_BUE> i m having some problems trying to get ascii characters from a signal :S
[01:09] <OSJ_BUE> i m getting: JQYJCIKGZXGQIWTXFVDXXQXXJQYYBRXQKQCQVVIKQXV&(;(QZNL:;;FIWFVQ;(1&:XQ
[01:10] <OSJ_BUE> any help ll be great
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[01:30] <Ian_> Was it RTTY, signal mark and space (frequencies) reversed perhaps?
[01:34] <OSJ_BUE> yes it s on RTTY...
[01:35] <OSJ_BUE> i don t know where is the information on the band :(
[01:37] <OSJ_BUE> here i ve a doc with images...
[01:37] <OSJ_BUE> if may be you have time to see...
[01:37] <OSJ_BUE> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gs_hmyKxy063QX5dw0z1o4HQA0DL9gTzHbF912jci0Y/edit?usp=sharing
[01:39] <qyx_> you probably don't have correct deviation set
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[01:47] <OSJ_BUE> qyx_: you mean the frequency
[01:47] <OSJ_BUE> ?
[01:50] <OSJ_BUE> i m a newbie :S
[01:51] <qyx_> FSK uses frequency to modulate data
[01:51] <qyx_> each freq is assigned to one symbol
[01:51] <qyx_> in 2FSK, 0 is one freq, 1 is another
[01:52] <qyx_> and deviation is the difference
[01:53] <qyx_> you need to set correct deviation and bit/symbol rate
[01:53] <qyx_> like in http://projectspaceballoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image012.png
[01:54] <qyx_> when you look on your picture, you have deviation set to 425Hz, which is incorrect according to your waterfall
[01:54] <qyx_> the two red lines should match your signal
[01:55] <OSJ_BUE> ahhhh ok...
[01:55] <qyx_> another example http://reactivemusic.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Screen-Shot-2014-05-23-at-2.37.20-AM.png
[01:57] <OSJ_BUE> ok if the red lines match my signal... i have to makewidth my rtty?
[01:57] <OSJ_BUE> i mean
[01:58] <OSJ_BUE> mor carrier shift?
[02:07] <OSJ_BUE> i can t make it get it in the middle...
[02:07] <OSJ_BUE> i ve to get int the middle?
[02:24] <OSJ_BUE> mmm i m giving up for today...
[02:24] <OSJ_BUE> qyx_: thanks for your help :)
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[02:53] <OSJ_BUE> qyx_: finally i center it
[02:53] <OSJ_BUE> but...
[02:53] <OSJ_BUE> no characters...
[02:53] <OSJ_BUE> do you know what else can i do?
[02:53] <OSJ_BUE> je
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[04:45] <Ian_> reverse the tones,
[04:47] <Ian_> dl-fldigi has a reverse (flip) function. I take it that your rx is set to USB (rather than LSB)?
[04:47] <Ian_> Receiving on opposite side band will also invert the sense of the tones for mark and space.
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[06:48] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3YT - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK3YT
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[08:22] <mikestir> frequency jededu?
[08:22] <mikestir> 650?
[08:23] <Upu> thats this morning jededu ?
[08:23] <Upu> flight doc is for tommorrow
[08:25] <jededu> I was half asleep hang on ill fix it the flight is tomorrow :) 434.500
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[08:27] <jededu> Ive posted it up
[08:30] <fsphil> rules of the internet: don't post anything before 9am :)
[08:30] <fsphil> and don't format disks after 11pm
[08:30] <jededu> Lol upu can you edit the mailing list
[08:30] <fsphil> there's something about not feeding cute animals after midnight too, but I can't remember that
[08:32] <jcoxon> fsphil, nah thats fine - nothing bad ever happens
[08:32] <mfa298> going from 434.qrm to 434.leo thats a bold move
[08:34] <jededu> mmm ill change that
[08:34] <fsphil> yea you never know when a B might pop up
[08:35] <jededu> Ok 434.225
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[09:57] <amell> I see B-64 has added a few new countries to its list.
[09:58] <amell> Algeria, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan
[09:59] <jcoxon> i feel we should write a collective scientific paper on B-64 (with leo's permssion)
[09:59] <amell> looks like its on lap 9
[10:00] <jcoxon> regarding the flight of the balloon but also the interesting wind patterns
[10:00] <amell> what conclusions would you draw from B-64s journey re wind patterns?
[10:01] <amell> you have a hypothesis in mind?
[10:01] <jcoxon> well i'm interested to see how there appear to be quite distinct points where the winds are funnelled
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[10:02] <jcoxon> korea is one, and over washington state, US is another
[10:02] <amell> I see what you mean.
[10:02] <jcoxon> but as the winter has arrived we are seeing that there is less variation and that the whole flight path is now further south
[10:03] <jcoxon> i suspect that this is due to the polar vortex strengthing
[10:03] <jcoxon> blocking out anything going north
[10:03] <amell> is there enough data to support that though? theres only 9 laps done, and only 4 months.
[10:04] <amell> i suspect a few more B flights are needed to create sufficient sample size.
[10:04] <jcoxon> i'd almost suggest an early paper to open up the concept - that said a lot of this is old science
[10:04] <jcoxon> they've done this before and model it rather well these days
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> If all the Bs had lasted this long - how many would have been in flight at once?
[10:04] <amell> It would be really good if another two or three Bs were launched.
[10:05] <SpeedEvil> gotta be over a dozen
[10:05] <jcoxon> i'd say that the paper would be better focused on suggesting a method of ballooning using cheap amateur radio to develop an idea of wind pattern
[10:06] <jcoxon> like a method proposal
[10:06] <amell> its certainly been educational thus far. Im just thinking more samples would be helpful.
[10:06] <jcoxon> well we could always follow up with another paper
[10:06] <jcoxon> with data
[10:06] <amell> shame I cant see B-66 paths any more.
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> the datais available
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[10:07] <SpeedEvil> for a small fee.
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> (0)
[10:07] Action: SpeedEvil forgets where it is.
[10:09] <amell> one thing i am wondering, is it ever actually possible for a B to reach the southern hemisphere winds.
[10:09] <amell> given the right combination of winds
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> yes
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> there is a non-zero chance of it breaking through the boundaries of a 'cell'
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> I tried to work this out with hysplit, but apparantly I'm too stupid to use hysplit
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[10:11] <jcoxon> amell, unfortunately i don't think it could break through into the southern hemisphere
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-Lap> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-66_20140719/ data and plots
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> Start out with for example at 0E from 50 to 0N - and see at what position it crosses over
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> And I'm not saying the chance is significant - just that it's not zero
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[10:16] <SpeedEvil> javascript:wndw('/hypubout/16050_trj001.gif'
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> err
[10:16] <SpeedEvil> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/16050_trj001.gif
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> This shows for example, that a balloon at 5N and 0W will go south of the border
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> at 132500m
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> 12500
[10:17] <SpeedEvil> isobaric
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[10:29] <SpeedEvil> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/16536_trj001.gif
[10:29] <SpeedEvil> 25, 10, 5N (0E) - very disparate trajectories
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> Interestingly, 50-18 or so look very similar.
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> you ahve to go to 10N before you get to countries b64 has not flown over
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/16983_trj001.gif
[10:39] <SpeedEvil> I think I broke it
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[10:47] <SpeedEvil> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/READY_balloon.php - how did I miss...
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[12:18] <Laurenceb> ping lz1dev
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[12:25] <lz1dev> hey
[12:25] <Laurenceb> hi, how did you automate hysplit?
[12:25] <Laurenceb> is there an api?
[12:26] <Laurenceb> i cant load old model runs from longer than a week ago, so im going to have to use the archive interface
[12:26] <lz1dev> there isn't
[12:26] <lz1dev> yes their id's rotate
[12:26] <Laurenceb> can you share your code?
[12:26] <lz1dev> that's why i cache old runs
[12:27] <Laurenceb> yeah, but no cache of the pressure?
[12:27] <lz1dev> the tdump is not saved
[12:27] <lz1dev> since we have no use for it
[12:28] <Laurenceb> ok
[12:28] <Laurenceb> can you share your interface code/.
[12:28] <Laurenceb> ?
[12:29] <lz1dev> it's just a bit of php that fills the forms
[12:29] <Laurenceb> i dont know php :-/
[12:34] <Laurenceb> i guess this should be doable
[12:34] <Laurenceb> http://journalxtra.com/linux/bash-linuxsanity/bash-filling-web-forms-with-curl-and-wget/
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[13:46] <_Paradigm> Is there a known reason why my ublox neo 6m's reported altitude is off by ±50 meters?
[13:46] <Laurenceb> has anyone here used max8-c with an active antenna
[13:46] <Laurenceb> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/MAX-M8_HardwareIntegrationManual_%28UBX-13004876%29.pdf
[13:46] <Laurenceb> page 11, im wondering about L and C
[13:50] <mattbrejza> Upu does that on his boards
[13:50] <Upu> 33uH with a SRF ~ 1500Mhz and 10R
[13:50] <Upu> afk a few
[13:50] <Laurenceb> 33u
[13:50] <craag> _Paradigm: GPS doesn't do altitude very well.
[13:50] <Laurenceb> thats very large
[13:51] <Laurenceb> surely 33nH ?
[13:51] <craag> You need a lot of satellites and an average over a large period of time to be accurate.
[13:51] <fsphil> 50m error in altitude isn't unusual
[13:51] <Upu> u
[13:51] <Laurenceb> wow
[13:51] <Upu> will confirm part in a bit
[13:51] <Laurenceb> ok im going with 51nH lol
[13:51] <_Paradigm> Ah alright
[13:52] <Upu> Recommended one was 33uH in hardware integration
[13:52] <Upu> back in 10
[13:54] <craag> _Paradigm: With the ubloxes you can use the different dynamic models to tell it not to expect much vertical acceleration - which will allow it to be a bit more accurate as well.
[13:54] <Laurenceb> wow
[13:54] <Laurenceb> thats nuts
[13:54] <craag> (assuming you're not needing much vertical acceleration of course)
[13:54] <Laurenceb> 33nH has 330ohm Z
[13:54] <Laurenceb> good enough for me
[13:55] <Laurenceb> less than 1dB loss
[13:57] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/multicomp/mcft000020/inductor-0603-33nh/dp/1711727?ost=1711727
[13:58] <Upu> thats what I use
[13:58] <Laurenceb> thats nH
[13:58] <Laurenceb> lolz
[13:58] <Laurenceb> yeah i have same thing is 0402
[13:58] <Upu> oh yeah so it is
[13:58] <Laurenceb> *in
[13:58] <Upu> where did I get µ from
[13:58] <Upu> sorry
[13:58] <Upu> I've done a few with a small filtered LNA from infineon
[13:58] <Upu> which does the ESD protection too
[13:58] <Upu> works nicely
[14:01] <Laurenceb> ok
[14:02] <_Paradigm> craag: hab'ing does need vertical acceleration, right?
[14:02] <mattbrejza> yea but its generally averaged over a minute or so
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[14:03] <craag> _Paradigm: You need airborne mode for habbing
[14:03] <mattbrejza> ascent rate from two packets 3sec apart is usually pretty noisy
[14:03] <craag> Which is one of the more noisy modes as matt says
[14:03] <craag> But need it for the higher altitude limit
[14:03] <craag> (and your descent will have significant velocity at first)
[14:04] <_Paradigm> True, so the inaccuracy won't matter that much?
[14:04] <craag> yep, don't worry about it
[14:06] <craag> Having a better gps antenna and making sure not to put metallic objects near the gps antenna will help
[14:07] <craag> but in the scale of things, you often don't account for the ground being +-50m above sea level, so it's not going to help you fire retro-boosters just before landing or anything.
[14:08] <_Paradigm> Another thing is, the ntx2b we have seems to work much better when the arduino is fed 9 volts instead of 5
[14:08] <_Paradigm> lol
[14:09] <craag> What 5V power supply are you powering it off?
[14:09] <gonzo_> any magic smoke come out?
[14:09] <_Paradigm> Not yet xD
[14:09] <gonzo_> yet....
[14:09] <_Paradigm> but I was powering it off the standard usb cable
[14:09] <_Paradigm> problem is
[14:09] <_Paradigm> when I put in the gps as well, the ntx2b starts to send out garbage
[14:10] <craag> your usb cable won't be supplying enough current
[14:10] <_Paradigm> the 9V fixes it kind of
[14:10] <craag> gps can draw upto 65mA or so
[14:10] <craag> Please don't put 9V into the gps...
[14:10] <_Paradigm> no I didnt
[14:11] <craag> But use an external 5V power supply if you can
[14:11] <craag> That problem will be that the usb current can't run arduino+gps+ntx2b
[14:11] <craag> If you're using an arduino board, it has a DC input
[14:11] <_Paradigm> Yep I did that with 4 AA batteries as well, and that does help, but 6 AA batteries in series still work better
[14:12] <_Paradigm> and the gps is getting 5V input
[14:12] <craag> Hmm strange. The ntx2b shouldn't care as long as it's above ~3V
[14:12] <_Paradigm> I wired the Vin pin of the arduino directly to the ntx, as it is able to take up to 12V
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[14:13] <craag> When you say 'works better' - what do you mean?
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[14:14] <_Paradigm> ntx2b with 5V without gps works better than ntx2b with 9V wíth gps
[14:14] <_Paradigm> hmm that is not quite understandable as well lol
[14:14] <craag> 'works better' ?
[14:15] <_Paradigm> works better as in way less frequency drifting, less noise
[14:16] <amell> interference issues?
[14:17] <_Paradigm> you mean the gps interfering the radio module?
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[14:30] <Maxell> A bucket of heathkids
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[15:24] <Laurenceb> can anyone help me with curl and htmp forms?
[15:24] <Laurenceb> *html
[15:25] <Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9727910
[15:25] <Laurenceb> so far i have that, but something is wrong with the last line
[15:26] <lz1dev> their pages remember variables in a session
[15:26] <Laurenceb> arg
[15:26] <lz1dev> so you need to get the session cookie and use it in subsequent requests
[15:27] <Laurenceb> ok
[15:28] <Laurenceb> any idea how to do that with curl?
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[15:30] <lz1dev> curl --help | grep -i cookie
[15:32] <Laurenceb> ah fixe dit thanks
[15:32] <Laurenceb> well - got as far as the archive week thing
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[15:35] <Laurenceb> oh its not calendar months
[15:35] <Laurenceb> so stupiud
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[16:22] <Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9728060
[16:22] <Laurenceb> last line is failing - 500 error
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[16:31] <lz1dev> your probrably not encoding the form data correctly
[16:31] <lz1dev> -H 'Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded' --data 'direction=Forward&vertical=0&Start+year=14&Start+month=11&Start+day=17&Start+hour=23&duration=180&repeatsrc=0&ntrajs=24&Source+lat=1.000000&Source+lon=-1.000000&Source+lat2=&Source+lon2=&Source+lat3=&Source+lon3=&Source+hgt1=500&Source+hunit=0&Source+hgt2=0&Source+hgt3=0&gis=0&gsize=96&Zoom+Factor=70&projection=0&Vertical Unit=1&Label+Interval=6&color=Yes&colortype=Yes&pltsrc=1&circle
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[16:31] <lz1dev> ^ like that
[16:32] <Laurenceb> hmm
[16:33] <Laurenceb> it uses POST same as the other pages
[16:33] <lz1dev> notice variables namaes that have a whitespace use a +
[16:33] <lz1dev> could be that
[16:34] <lz1dev> or you could'be giving it wron parameters, which break the perl script and you get 500
[16:34] <Laurenceb> corl -d "variable name=foo"
[16:34] <Laurenceb> yeah :S
[16:35] <Laurenceb> i was wondering if i was missing some variables
[16:36] <Laurenceb> but ive entered everything now, and same error
[16:37] <Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9728091
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[16:38] <lz1dev> best advice i can give you is, get firefox, get firebug plugin, on the net tab click persist, submit the forms you want
[16:38] <Laurenceb> ah
[16:38] <lz1dev> find the relevant entry, right click + copy as cURL
[16:38] <Laurenceb> ok
[16:38] <lz1dev> easy life
[16:42] <Laurenceb> fixed it
[16:42] <Laurenceb> month is a number on this page, not a string
[16:42] <Laurenceb> this is so stupid
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[16:45] <lz1dev> :D
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[16:47] <simon__> Can anyone advise on 70cm radio suitability?
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[16:49] <mfa298> simon__: depends what you want to do with it (i.e. just track balloons, price, sdr or not, or do you plan on getting a license and talking to people as well)
[16:49] <mfa298> there's a bit of a list on that page ^^
[16:50] <simon__> Tracking a balloon. Looking at ebay but the price of these things would be twice my budget
[16:50] <simon__> Would http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/baofeng-uv-5rc-dual-band-hand-held-transceiver-n99da be usable?
[16:50] <daveake> no
[16:50] <gonzo_nb> no. it needs to be able to receive ssb
[16:51] <simon__> Its 70cm but doesnt do ssb I think
[16:51] <mfa298> not for UK balloons as those cheap radios are FM only
[16:51] <simon__> Ok
[16:51] <daveake> It's FM only
[16:51] <daveake> btw they're about half that price on ebay
[16:51] <gonzo_nb> cheapest option would be an RTL dongle. I'd recommend getting a habamp to go with it
[16:51] <mfa298> the scanners listed on that page above aren't too bad for price on ebay.
[16:52] <simon__> Are there any alternative places to buy reasonably priced radios that will do the job?
[16:52] <daveake> Also, if you buy a scanner or real radio, if later you get bored with the hobby just put the radio back on ebay and sell it for what you paid
[16:53] <mfa298> depends what you mean by reasonably priced
[16:53] <simon__> My budget can stretch to about 250
[16:53] <simon__> But cheaper if possible
[16:53] <daveake> And is this just for tracking balloons?
[16:53] <simon__> Yes
[16:53] <mfa298> for that price you're pretty much looking at one of the scanners or the Funcube Pro+ (which is a good sdr dongle)
[16:53] <daveake> Get a funcube dongle
[16:53] <edmoore> funcube dongle
[16:53] <edmoore> cubedong fungle
[16:54] <mfa298> ebay for scanners or google funcube dongle for the funcube dongle
[16:54] <edmoore> (you'll want to see a doctor about that)
[16:54] <daveake> cubefun fondle
[16:54] <simon__> I thought I read on UKHAS that they were only good for testing?
[16:54] <gonzo_nb> the FCD pro+ is very good. About £150
[16:54] <daveake> No, that's talking about the TV dongles
[16:54] <simon__> Ah OK
[16:55] <mfa298> receiver wise the FCD Pro+ is very good, possibly not so good for mobile tracking as you have to cart a laptop with it all the time.
[16:55] <gonzo_nb> The FCD pro (mk1) may be available cheaper, used. But witld benifit from a hab amp
[16:55] <gonzo_nb> would
[16:55] <simon__> I think theres a waiting list for them for if thats the best option for the money
[16:55] <mfa298> (for final tracking various people have just used a battery powered radio and used signal strength as a guide)
[16:55] <fsphil> older FCD works better on linux too
[16:56] <simon__> I have until May so no rush
[16:56] <fsphil> there's also the airspy dongle
[16:56] <fsphil> but I don't believe anyone has used one yet?
[16:56] <daveake> I was about to ask
[16:56] <daveake> I have one on order
[16:56] <fsphil> on paper they're pretty good
[16:56] <mfa298> I think when I got mine (last year) the waiting list wasn't too bad (but that wasn't obvious when you signed up)
[16:57] <pnephos> Hello. Does anyone know where should pins 1 and 3 of the NTX2B transmitter be connected? It isn't clear in the datasheet.
[16:57] <gonzo_nb> if you are out mobile tracking, you will have a laptop anyway. For decoding the telem
[16:58] <daveake> pnephos To the ground plane of the aerial
[16:58] <edmoore> pnephos, it is clear on the datasheet - rfgnd
[16:58] <simon__> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 for the pin connections
[16:58] <mfa298> FCD Pro+ says it's currently in stock - no waiting lists http://www.funcubedongle.com/
[16:58] <edmoore> what rfgnd is is, however, not clear to you
[16:59] <edmoore> but adamgreig has a picture for exactly this occassion
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[16:59] <simon__> OK this definately warrents further research. Thanks to all for the tips
[17:00] <adamgreig> disappointingly i don't think that file transferred to my new server
[17:00] <adamgreig> will have to redo it
[17:01] <pnephos> daveake But my aerial is a simple copper wire, what does the ground plane exactly mean?
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[17:01] <mfa298> fsphil / daveake (and possibly others) this could be of interest http://www.funcubedongle.com/?p=1647
[17:01] <mfa298> firmware for FCD Pro+ on a Pi
[17:01] <daveake> ta will have a look
[17:01] <mfa298> (basicly looks like lower sample rates to get around Pi USB issues)
[17:02] <daveake> pnephos I fyou don't have a ground plane you have the wrong aerial
[17:02] <fsphil> oh that might fix my issue too
[17:02] <daveake> Read this http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna
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[17:03] <fsphil> the second issue he talks about almost sounds like my problem on the laptop
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[17:04] <fsphil> the transaction translator one
[17:04] Action: SpeedEvil stabs USB.
[17:05] <fsphil> yes
[17:05] <fsphil> yes indeed
[17:06] <daveake> Interesting
[17:06] <daveake> and yes stab stab
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> I especially like that USB3 performs just as a USB2 port does if you plug in USB2 stuff - there is not rven a transaction translator specified in the spec.
[17:09] <SpeedEvil> Never mind required.
[17:11] <daveake> If you see USB approaching, do this http://i.imgur.com/j0XBccm.jpg
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[17:12] <fsphil> what I don't get is why mine works up until I try the control interface
[17:13] <fsphil> either linux or the fcd is doing something wrong
[17:14] <fsphil> a usb analyser might show the problem
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Unless of course it's a cable problem
[17:15] <fsphil> true. though in this case it isn't
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[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Oh the Airspy's are shipping!
[18:47] <Myself> RF/Antennas, one true pairing.
[18:50] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE-Tab ah good hope mine arrives soon then :)
[18:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> Just got an email, and its in the hands of DHL in China at the moment, Gatwick next ....
[18:52] Action: daveake checks email
[18:53] <daveake> zip
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[19:54] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03TUX_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=TUX_chase
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[20:16] <craag> hab.supplies doesn't work :/
[20:17] <Upu> no it has been sequestered
[20:17] <Upu> Launching a new site
[20:17] <Upu> it will work soon
[20:18] <fsphil> spoilers: it sells hab supplies
[20:19] <craag> oh cool
[20:19] <Upu> the existing shop won't upgrade
[20:20] <Upu> Opencart and upgrades never go well
[20:20] <Upu> have had to do lots of hacking to make it work
[20:20] <mfa298> a site called hab.supplies selling hab supplies, whatever next!
[20:20] <Upu> want to upgrade to opencart V2.0 but the upgrade is utterly broken
[20:21] <Upu> well I think Steve should register random.engineering
[20:24] <craag> those domain names are pricey..
[20:24] <craag> have just noticed one that would be good for work though
[20:26] <mfa298> from memory it's a fair chunk of money to register the top level names so the people getting them probably want to make their money back (+ I think there's a fair bit of infrastructure needed)
[20:27] <Myself> I would zorch all the new TLDs if I could. They took a nice structure and made it confusing. Every time I try to explain internet domains to newbies so they can avoid certain types of phishing, it all makes sense up to that point.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Upu: IIRC .aero actually has very limited requirements
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> Or had
[20:27] <Myself> .int is a sonofabitch to get registered into.
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> and is not very expensive
[20:27] <Myself> for .int you need to fax them a copy of the treaty that establishes your organization.
[20:28] <Myself> hang on, I have mine right here... ;)
[20:28] <Myself> (That would be a step better than http://bash.org/?758379 )
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[20:36] <mfa298> oh, only $1000 to register a TLD and $250 renewal per year after that.
[20:37] <mfa298> I thought there were more zero's involved in those numbers
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> maybe you were thinking of single-word
[20:39] <mfa298> that's what I was looking at (assuming you're thinking of things like .hab etc.)
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[20:41] <Myself> yeah, but just http://hab/ wouldn't even brain right. I broken idea think. URL fluffy bubbles woooo?
[20:42] <Myself> See, single-word is bad.
[20:42] <mattbrejza> i thought a TLD was £250k :/
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[20:43] <mfa298> that was based on http://www.internet2tlds.com/tld-fees.html (one of the few dodgy looking sites that appear to be the places to register them)
[20:43] <mfa298> although the whois seems broken so none of them will actually let you register anything.
[20:45] <mfa298> although I'd agree having something like http://hab/ does seem bad (I wonder how well the various browsers would handle it - they'll probably try http://hab.com/ instead)
[20:48] <mfa298> although based on http://public-root.com/tlds.htm I'm not really sure what the difference between gTLD, cTLD and pTLD is other than who's registering it.
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[20:50] <mfa298> unless public-root is some outfit trying to replace ICANN in which case those cheap prices might make sense.
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[20:55] <Laurenceb_> sup
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> lz1dev: any idea what ive done wrong with hyplit job 125797 ?
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> i passed ./getarchive.sh 52.081772 -1.008290 14 Jul 2 12 06 741.677692 07
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> to http://pastie.org/9728654
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[20:58] <Laurenceb_> oh
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> month is upper case lol
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[21:17] <MarkIreland> Off topic - anyone know where I can get a cheap and powerful wide angle IR illuminator from (other than the usual amazon, ebay etc) ?
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[21:18] <mattbrejza> ask adamgreig , he spent some time on this
[21:19] <mikestir> cctv wholesalers?
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> mattbrejza: 500W floodlight
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> MarkIreland:
[21:21] <nats`> MarkIreland do your own ?
[21:21] <MarkIreland> Where is best place to get one of these?
[21:21] <MarkIreland> I have the infrared camera but I need a powerful illuminator
[21:21] <MarkIreland> I bought a small cheap one from amazon and its rubbish
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> MarkIreland: your average 500W quartz-halogen linear floodlight bulb puts out 90% or so of its energy in IR
[21:22] <nats`> http://fr.farnell.com/osram/sfh4740/led-ir-module-850nm-3-6w/dp/1603325
[21:22] <MarkIreland> AH ok - sorry this needs to be almost undetectable buy the human eye
[21:22] <mikestir> a lot of people can see the near IR you need for a camera
[21:22] <nats`> check usual suspect
[21:22] <nats`> luxeon osram cree
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> 800nm for example, is 1 million times down
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> it is quite visible at night - though looks obviously much dimmer than it 'really' is
[21:23] <MarkIreland> I dont mind a red glow,
[21:23] <MarkIreland> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Infrared-illuminator-light-Vision-adapter-Black-Two/dp/B00M7X0OCC/ref=sr_1_3?s=lighting&ie=UTF8&qid=1416345234&sr=1-3&keywords=infrared+illuminator Thats what I have found so far
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> What do you wat
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> that is - what angle of emission
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[21:24] <MarkIreland> Just a illuminator to light up my gate and car which is on the road!
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> how far from the illuminator
[21:25] <MarkIreland> say max 10 meters
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> what have you got that diddn't work
[21:26] <MarkIreland> Due to cheap price, I gave this a go http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bargain-Illuminator-Infrared-Vision-Security/dp/B00AAZRYD6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_light_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1QFR9F99YN2DVGDASVTP
[21:27] <MarkIreland> Not powerful enough, doesnt get to the gate
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[21:27] <nats`> to see a car at 10 meters ?
[21:27] <nats`> not enough ?
[21:27] <mikestir> I have a cheap camera with built in illuminator with about 10 LEDs that does ok over 10m
[21:27] <nats`> what camera are you using ?
[21:27] <mikestir> that one should work fine
[21:27] <nats`> does it have an IR filter
[21:27] <nats`> ?
[21:28] <MarkIreland> Yeah its the pi NOIR camera
[21:28] <mikestir> hmmm
[21:28] <mikestir> use a proper mono ccd
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> you care abote the emission angle
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> about
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> Over what angle does the above emit
[21:28] <MarkIreland> What is emission angle sorry?
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> the angle that the beam covers
[21:29] <MarkIreland> what the width of the beam?
[21:29] <MarkIreland> Yeah this is pretty narry
[21:29] <MarkIreland> narrow
[21:29] <SpeedEvil> A beam (with the same amount of light) covering 10 degrees will be 10 times as bright as one covering 30.
[21:30] <MarkIreland> right ok yeah
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> So even assuming same amount of light out of each LED - LED number isn't all you care about
[21:31] <MarkIreland> ah right I see what you mean now
[21:31] <MarkIreland> Yeah, depends on angle and width of beam
[21:35] <edmoore> pi Noir i like to imagine is a genre of dark, criminal/gritty maker literature
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[21:41] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK3YT - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK3YT
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[22:31] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/hdWPoV9.png
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> running
[22:31] <Laurenceb_> finally
[22:32] <Laurenceb_> ignore red and green, i screwed up
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[22:36] <SpeedEvil> now, in the range 15-25k
[22:37] <SpeedEvil> looks flat on that graph
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[22:52] <Laurenceb_> yeah no long term trend
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> its interpolating a ton of ensembles, so i can do error estimation
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[23:01] <SpeedEvil> At leat it sets bounds
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[23:46] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/ONDpJcA.png
[23:50] <SpeedEvil> you should really set range from 15000-20000 or so
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[23:50] <SpeedEvil> what are the colours?
[23:50] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/rbflp8q.png
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> blue is median of the ensemble, red and green are 0.25 and 0.75 quantiles
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> still too noisy :-/
[23:51] <Laurenceb_> i need to fix the interpolation
[23:52] <Laurenceb_> atm its interpolating to 3 hourly, then 24 hour hysplits then reinterpolating
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> so the first interpolation is in altitude space, thats adding a ton of noise
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> this is a little fiddly to fix properly :-/
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