highaltitude.log.20141117

[00:00] <fsphil> in the place to B
[00:00] <LeoBodnar> [OVERRUSTLING]
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[00:02] <arko> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/164574_trj001.gif
[00:03] <arko> oh for funks sake
[00:03] <arko> B-64 has literally been everywhere but LA
[00:03] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:05] <LeoBodnar> so where does the air over you come from?
[00:05] <arko> there must be a wormhole off the coast
[00:08] <lz1dev> !hysplit run b-64
[00:08] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
[00:09] <fsphil> oh heading north again
[00:09] <fsphil> during winter
[00:09] <fsphil> that won't please the battery
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[00:13] <lz1dev> probably won't here here from it again in the next 8-10 days after it passes japan
[00:14] <Laurenceb_> it should wake up over alaska if it gets daylight
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[00:48] <myier> have you already talked about the nemeus USB key? when will it be available, what's the price? does it looks promising?
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[00:49] <myier> I've just seen the link posted earlier by Laurenceb but I don't know why it was posted
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[01:18] <BeaverOne> https://vimeo.com/111984823 (got new propellers)
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[06:35] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03SA0BSV_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=SA0BSV_chase
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[07:34] <lz1dev> erm
[07:36] <lz1dev> !ping b-64
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03B-64 was 032 hours ago
[07:36] <lz1dev> !aprs ping m0xer-4
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03M0XER-4 was 03a few seconds ago
[07:36] <lz1dev> !aprs info m0xer-4
[07:36] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: 03M0XER-4 is near 03Sea of Japan 10(36.83958,133.94054) - 12http://aprs.fi/M0XER-4
[07:48] <mixio> hey everyone !
[07:48] <lz1dev> good morning mixio
[07:50] <mixio> Do we know who is the owner of habhub.org/zeusbot ?
[07:50] <lz1dev> yes
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[08:06] <LeoBodnar> konnichiwa
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[08:09] <luteijn> ohayo gozaimasu ;)
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[08:43] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[08:43] <fsphil> morning
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[10:18] <Lunar_LanderU> hi james and craag
[10:18] <craag> o/
[10:20] <Lunar_LanderU> hope you had a good weekend
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[10:23] <Laurenceb> B-64 passes 2^7 days
[10:24] <Lunar_LanderU> nice
[10:24] <Laurenceb> there should be a records table with all balloon flights
[10:24] <Laurenceb> FAI doesnt care about unmanned it seems :-/
[10:25] <Lunar_LanderU> yea :(
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[10:36] <Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1605265.pdf
[10:43] <Lunar_LanderU> interesting
[10:49] <luteijn> more possible competition on long term flights: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/17/google-test-fly-balloons-transmit-internet-australia
[10:56] <Laurenceb> they have only published flights of 120 days
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[11:07] <Laurenceb> so aiui B-64 is longest documented flight since 1973
[11:07] <Laurenceb> when people were last flying superpressure with a vengeance
[11:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:23] <WillDuckworth> So what was the result of the LoRa stuff yesterday? I didn't see many pics coming through on the balloon.photos site
[11:24] <number10> I think dave had issues with his internet at home - ..
[11:24] <daveake> DNS died
[11:24] <number10> and he was not there to adjust the yagi
[11:25] <daveake> It worked better than it looked. Some tweaks needed then I'll fly another test
[11:25] <number10> oops didnt realise you were here daveake
[11:25] <daveake> neither did I
[11:25] <SpeedEvil> :)
[11:25] <number10> :)
[11:25] <WillDuckworth> that's cool - overall a good flight then :)
[11:26] <daveake> Yes, very. Lots of new tracker boards
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[11:26] <daveake> 5 trackers in total all new
[11:26] <WillDuckworth> do you use a HABAmp at all in your setup?
[11:27] <daveake> On the lora yes, but didn't need it for quite a while
[11:27] <daveake> I meant to check the distance but didn't
[11:29] <WillDuckworth> whilst your here dave, on the pits board - i'm having some fun in that from scratch compiled on a B, then moved the card to the A+ and now getting issues re SPI clock line (can't remember exact err) - have you had similar?
[11:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC8 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
[11:29] <daveake> i2c yes
[11:29] <daveake> grab the latest code
[11:30] <WillDuckworth> okey dokey - sounds about right - will have a bash tonight - cheers
[11:30] <daveake> I don't know why it's happening, but the latest code traps the error, closes and reopens i2c and continues
[11:31] <WillDuckworth> thanks
[11:32] <daveake> It's timing somewhere along the line. Doesn't happen (IME) unless the camera script is running
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[11:32] <daveake> Something different on the ublox possibly
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[12:01] <craag> Anybody got experience of ft-817 vs ft-857 on 70cm?
[12:01] <craag> datasheets spec 0.5uV sensitivity vs 0.125uV
[12:02] <craag> Just wondered if anyone had noticed a real difference.
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[12:03] <edmoore> gosh that's bad
[12:03] <edmoore> if so
[12:03] <edmoore> on the 817
[12:03] <edmoore> i have an ic-7000 which is better than both of those so i can't help
[12:03] <edmoore> /smug
[12:03] <mattbrejza> when was the last time you used it?
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[12:04] <fsphil> I haven't noticed much difference between the 817 and 857
[12:04] <fsphil> (pre-857 going deaf)
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[12:05] <edmoore> mattbrejza, my ic-7000?
[12:05] <fsphil> only big difference I noticed was the 817 being very insensitive on the LW band, and the 857 was fine
[12:06] <mattbrejza> yea
[12:06] <edmoore> for hab, 'kin ages ago
[12:06] <edmoore> but i have it on the lab bench and use it for testing things fairly often
[12:06] <craag> Err typo in my notes: ft-817 is actually 0.25uV
[12:06] <mattbrejza> ah right
[12:06] <fsphil> better
[12:06] <edmoore> it can sometimes upset the fluke 8842A sitting next to it
[12:06] <edmoore> when TXing a lot
[12:06] <craag> fsphil: Cheers
[12:07] <edmoore> that thing has an absurdly high input impedence, i only tend to use it as a backup multimeter
[12:07] <edmoore> bbiab
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[13:35] <Upu> !hysplit run 0x04
[13:35] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Your job has been added to the queue. Check in a few minutes
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[13:53] <LeoBodnar> sayonara
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[13:54] <luteijn> sayounara indeed, looks B-64 is going to be out of range for a while.
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[13:59] <Laurenceb> http://www.digikey.co.uk/en/articles/techzone/2014/mar/designing-a-coin-sized-solar-powered-gps-receiver
[14:14] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2pgbOqCMAAydzq.jpg:large
[14:14] <fsphil> found it
[14:15] <Upu> oh wow
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Wow you can actually see the spot
[14:15] <daveake> oh nice
[14:15] <fsphil> it really was an awful landing spot
[14:16] <mattbrejza> oh thats landing 2&3
[14:16] <mattbrejza> i saw landing 1 earlier
[14:16] <fsphil> yea. more detail in this image weirdly
[14:16] <Upu> must have passed it to CSI Miami
[14:16] <fsphil> bladerunner enhance
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Eh "The final location of Philae is still not known, but after touching down and bouncing again at 17:25 GMT, it reached there at 17:32 GMT."
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> they must have added the 15:43 shot later than the text ??
[14:24] <Upu> the other thing is
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/11/17/osiris-spots-philae-drifting-across-the-comet/
[14:24] <Upu> if it hadn't got stuck would it have landed or just flown off into space ?
[14:24] <fsphil> nah, it's bounce didn't have enough energy to escape
[14:24] <fsphil> -'
[14:24] <Upu> ok
[14:25] <fsphil> ah yes Geoff-G8DHE_, that's not the landing site
[14:26] <fsphil> that last picture of it is still mid-bounce
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes guess it could be the case, searching for the wider angle image thay had previously with the first and expected final triangle marked
[14:27] <fsphil> with this and the radio data it shouldn't be much longer before they find it
[14:27] <fsphil> it's a much brighter object than the comet
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the final bounce however was only about 7 minutes
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> the first was 1:50
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> I guess the mid-bounce picture would really nail down the second landing
[14:29] <fsphil> I wonder what system of coordinates they're using for the comet
[14:29] <fsphil> it's not exactly a sphere
[14:31] <daveake> Twitter marketing keyword spam fail http://imgur.com/ewFXU5f
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[14:32] <fsphil> isn't that the NFL word of every day
[14:34] <nick_> I feel sorry for them.
[14:34] <nick_> Who wants to manually check these things?
[14:36] <fsphil> oh that's automatic
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[14:38] <daveake> I just googled "Philae touchdown shirt". You know what that comes up with, don't you? :)
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[14:39] <fsphil> poor matt
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[15:14] <x-f> we have a saying "don't judge a man by his hat", and this was way too much fuss about just some cloth
[15:18] <daveake> yup
[15:20] <fsphil> definitly
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[15:40] <SpeedEvil> If it was an intentional public statement - sure.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> But - this is an astronomer.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> We're frankly lucky we can get them to wear clothes at all
[15:41] <daveake> haha
[15:41] <daveake> I might get one to wear at my next launch
[15:41] <daveake> Not my style but you have to show solidarity :)
[15:43] <Upu> in a time where we have some people are actively trying to push us back into the Medival era, people who are trying to move our understanding forward should be allowed to wear what the fuck they want
[15:43] <craag> Heh we'll jsut make sure it gets used as the stock photo for all future rpi.org mentions ;)
[15:43] <daveake> hah
[15:43] <Lunar_LanderU> see you later!
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[15:43] <Upu> oops sorry didn't meant to swear thought I was somewhere else :)
[15:44] <daveake> :)
[15:44] <Upu> don't swear on this channel
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[16:05] <nats`> When the scientist shows the comet, the feminist looks at the shirt
[16:05] <gonzo_> people will look at whatever they have the capacity to understand
[16:06] <lilafisch> huh?
[16:06] <fsphil> I was a bit worried about them not having peanuts, but it turns out they did get some in time
[16:06] <gonzo_> Invention of the wheel: 'If you are so clever, you tell us what colour it should be'
[16:07] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/xYtNeKA.jpg
[16:07] <fsphil> approved
[16:07] <adamgreig> if only they had them during touchdown eh fsphil
[16:07] <gonzo_> (And do people want fire that can be fitted nasally)
[16:08] <edmoore> jpl peanuts + two sheepish people https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wle6ix13evrjp1/DSCF1027.JPG?dl=0
[16:08] <fsphil> this may be why beagle 2 failed. was colin allergic to peanuts?
[16:09] <edmoore> i think he was allergic to being diplomatic
[16:10] <gonzo_> think he managed that quite well. Pushing the eng model to seminars is a wheelbarrow. Class
[16:10] <gonzo_> would win over any engineer, as it upsets managers
[16:10] <gonzo_> (in a wheelbarrow)
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[16:13] <adamgreig> edmoore: they were inside a plastic box when i saw them :(
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[16:13] <edmoore> you didn't go with tom
[16:13] <edmoore> we got the red carpet everywhere
[16:19] <adamgreig> nats`, gonzo_: please don't talk like that in here. it should hopefully be obvious that you can be a feminist and a scientist for one, and if it's not clear why a huge number of people are upset about the shirt then perhaps you should wonder why you don't understand the problem
[16:20] <adamgreig> a lot of people were upset about it and the guy wearing it evidently is now too considering his apology
[16:20] <adamgreig> if we're going to be family friendly and not swear on here I think we can hopefully manage to also not be sexist and/or stereotypical
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[16:35] <Laurenceb> not sure if troll
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[16:35] <nats`> adamgreig are you trolling ?
[16:36] <nats`> you wouldn't love my tattoo anyway
[16:36] <Laurenceb> uh oh
[16:36] <Laurenceb> no photos pls :P
[16:37] <nats`> :D
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[17:08] <lilafisch> iirc people were considering congress in Hamburg at EMF
[17:09] <lilafisch> if a number of hab people are coming, consider an assembly - you might get table space reserved for you
[17:09] <edmoore> how was EMF? I didn't get to go but the photos looked good
[17:09] <edmoore> adam says good things
[17:09] <lilafisch> https://events.ccc.de/2014/11/12/31c3-call-for-assemblies/
[17:09] <edmoore> although from the sounds of it he was in the coding zone so a war could have ahppened around him and he wouldn't have noticed
[17:10] <lilafisch> hehe. also in the sleepless zone I believe
[17:10] <lilafisch> I didn't know anything about high altitude things before
[17:10] <lilafisch> but enjoyed being at the village
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[17:11] <lilafisch> and emf was really good
[17:12] <lilafisch> only disappointment was that the badges didn't have epaper displays %)
[17:12] <edmoore> cool
[17:12] <lilafisch> all camps I have been to turned out great
[17:13] <edmoore> you're like the anti-Jonah
[17:13] <lilafisch> (I have only been to camps that included network connetions and power supply per tent)
[17:14] <edmoore> we call that glamping here
[17:14] <edmoore> (glamorous camping)
[17:14] <edmoore> well it usually applies to different things but in our circles having ethernet to the tent is glamping
[17:15] <craag> for glamping you need an espresso machine and a sous vide cooker
[17:15] <craag> oh wait
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Does wireless ethernet count?
[17:15] <craag> we had those :D
[17:15] <daveake> hah
[17:15] <daveake> just bought one of those
[17:15] <lilafisch> craag:D
[17:15] <daveake> sous vide
[17:15] <daveake> not tried it yet
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> I cheat.
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> And do 'air vide'
[17:16] <craag> daveake: But does it have lots of wires and an "Exposed Mains DO NOT TOUCH!!!!" sign on it?
[17:16] <M6XIMan> Heh
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> set oven to 50C (or whatever) turn on fan, turn off vent
[17:16] <M6XIMan> EMF was great. Better with a Tassimo on hand ;)
[17:16] <daveake> no I actually bought a ready made one. I have too many projects already :)
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> works well
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[17:16] <M6XIMan> Definitely glamping.
[17:16] <lilafisch> emf was also a really nice size
[17:17] <lilafisch> not overwhelming like camp 2011 near Berlin
[17:17] <M6XIMan> Only the toilets were... less than glamorous
[17:17] <lilafisch> @31c3: deadline for getting assembly table space is dec 1st
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[17:21] <mfa298> I've done a low tech variation on sous-vide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haybox although it's not air tight containers and you do heat it much hotter before and after (take it to the boil for wet stuff)
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[17:26] <gonzo_> I would have done emf, but it clashed with a festival
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[17:27] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: a covered bowl in a fan oven rapidly gets to the same temperature
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> as the oven
[17:28] <lilafisch> to clearify: I was talking about congress (between christmas, new years, in hamburg)
[17:28] <lilafisch> not camp (some time summer 2015, probably near berlin)
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[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[18:16] <SpeedEvil> hey
[18:16] <fsphil> evenings!
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[18:49] <DL7AD> evening
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[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> hi DL7AD
[19:25] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander :)
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> how's life? :)
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[19:26] <DL7AD> yeah good :)
[19:26] <DL7AD> preparing 2 trackers
[19:26] <DL7AD> sry 3
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
[19:26] <DL7AD> 1 ukhasnet tracker
[19:27] <DL7AD> my micro tracker
[19:27] <DL7AD> and one ssdv payload for friday
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[19:27] <DL7AD> it will be launched in braunschweig
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> PTB?
[19:27] <DL7AD> ehm no
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[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[19:31] <chrisstubbs> howdy
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[22:33] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[22:33] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141117-16_189721_B64.gif
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[22:35] <Laurenceb_> we need isodensity
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> or whatever its called
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[22:49] <LeoBodnar> offiline version of HYSPLIT has isodensity
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[22:55] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Iguess isopressure doesn't quite work
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> I guess what's really wanted is isoballoonaltitude
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> including solar heating, but ...
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> no
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> we dont know altitude
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> err
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> not altitude
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> that reminds me, i was going to graph float pressure
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> balloondensity
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> oh
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> does lz1dev handle the hyplit plugin?
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> iirc there is a cache of hyplit outputs?
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[23:03] <Laurenceb_> should be easy to grab the pressure from there.. if it exists
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[23:15] <BeaverOne> what do you guys think of the DJI Inspire 1?
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[23:19] <Lunar_LanderA> good night!
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[23:22] <Laurenceb_> grrr no lz1dev == no work
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[23:22] <Laurenceb_> unless someone else knows how the mobile tracker backend works?
[23:23] <lz1dev> whats up?
[23:24] <Geoff-G8DHE-Tab> http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/
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[23:34] <Laurenceb_> hi
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> lz1dev: did you write the mobile tracker hysplit prediction code?
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> im wondering if there is any cache of the raw output from hyplit?
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> for plotting the float pressure
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[23:43] <lz1dev> it only fetches kml and gif
[23:43] <lz1dev> but i can make it fetch txt file as well
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> too late now lol
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> i was to plot B-64 float pressure
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[23:45] <Laurenceb_> hysplit archive is a pita
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[23:46] <lz1dev> they don't have one
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[23:46] <Laurenceb_> huh?
[23:46] <Laurenceb_> you can load archive data
[23:46] <Laurenceb_> but it has a horrible interface that would need to be automated
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[23:47] <lz1dev> if know the id
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[23:47] <lz1dev> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/tdump.<ID.txt
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[23:48] <lz1dev> you can get previous ids for b-64 from http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_log.txt
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[23:52] <lz1dev> for i in `curl http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_log.txt | tail -1000 | grep "B-64" | grep "received job id:" | grep -oP "\d+$" | tail -19`; do echo http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/tdump.$i.txt; done
[23:52] <lz1dev> ^ one liner for you, change echo for wget to fetch 'em
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