highaltitude.log.20141113

[00:01] <LeoBodnar> you should be abele to use " | hexdump -C" but it does not seem to work on OS X
[00:01] <Laurenceb_> ok
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> im writing it in matlab lol :P
[00:02] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[01:48] <Ian_> od -v -x filename
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[04:26] <Haxxa> Whats the absolute cheapest way to monitor where a device is anywhere in the world offgrid i.e. over altantic ocean?
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[06:30] <Upu-> iridium Haxxa if you want it to be reliable anyway
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[08:03] <WillDWork> is the rockblock any good?
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[09:08] <craag> WillDWork: It has been used with success (eg Kraken sea buoy) although a couple stopped working mid-hab-flight for unknown reasons.
[09:09] <WillDWork> yeah - thought i'd seen a couple in use - the idea's reasonable for a secondary payload or PoC
[09:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> iss on air 145.8
[09:10] <SA6BSS-Mike> sounds like russian
[09:10] <craag> It's also a nice way to do remote commands
[09:10] <craag> As the satellite network handles retrying on failure
[09:11] <daveake> The one I flew stopped working during descent. It was an early model and this happened during ground testing too. They fixed it I believe.
[09:13] <Haxxa> I am thinking of deploying a network of sensors which measure ground moisture to africa these will connect to gsm network and then to the internet which will process this data then the data will be send back to the farmer (translated) via text message on where the best place to plant is& Sound like a good/bad idea - this is for uni project?
[09:14] <craag> gsm on every sensor wouldn't be very complex academically and would be expensive.
[09:14] <craag> a radio mesh network of them back to a single gateway node may be cheaper and more suited to a uni project
[09:14] <daveake> much better way to do it
[09:14] <craag> (I know of 3 almost identical projects currently underway at our uni)
[09:15] <daveake> :)
[09:15] <craag> (sensor network with various 802.15.4 technologies (6lowpan, etc) back to gateway/handheld device)
[09:15] <daveake> I'd go lora :p
[09:15] <daveake> max distance between sensors?
[09:16] Action: craag -> work
[09:17] <staylo> hurrah, philae survived
[09:17] <daveake> It must have gone for the extended warranty at Comet
[09:21] <fsphil> they have the panoramic image data
[09:21] <fsphil> will be released at the press thingy later today
[09:22] <daveake> cool
[09:22] Nick change: day- -> day
[09:22] <daveake> Where are you getting updates from?
[09:22] <fsphil> twitter :)
[09:22] <daveake> me too but obv I'm not following the right accounts :/
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[09:23] <fsphil> that last report was from @NickAstronomer
[09:24] <fsphil> @elakdawalla is probably the best though she's now tweeting atm
[09:24] <daveake> ta
[09:24] <fsphil> not*
[09:24] <fsphil> the first bounce was nearly an hour long
[09:25] <fsphil> the second one was about 7 minutes
[09:25] <fsphil> wonder how close it was to escaping
[09:25] <fsphil> or how far from the first landing site it is
[09:25] <fsphil> I'm sure the comet rotated a fair bit in that hour
[09:25] <daveake> Did it thrust down from orbit at all, or did it just fall under fravity?
[09:26] <daveake> s/f/g/
[09:27] <Rebounder> Haxxa: which other wireless-sensor nets have you checked out?
[09:28] <Rebounder> Haxxa: since there have been tons and tons of them during the latest 15 years
[09:28] <Haxxa> Rebounder not many this is thinking stage - really abstract still
[09:28] <Haxxa> yer and they are so cheap now
[09:29] Action: Rebounder did ad-hoc net for Reindeers
[09:29] <fsphil> I think the thruster was only to be used while harpooning
[09:30] <fsphil> still not sure if they used it
[09:30] <daveake> They said it didn't fire
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[09:31] <Haxxa> Concept wise I am getting told its pointless - do you think the idea holds merit or should I rethink
[09:31] <Rebounder> Haxxa: ukhasnet is one of the later ones :) could work fine
[09:32] <Haxxa> The general idea of cloud computing + moisture sensors for farmers with basic gsm cellphones - so they know flood information how their plants are going aetc.
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[09:33] <Rebounder> Haxxa: gsm could work jsut fine. expense is the important parameter as craag said
[09:34] <Haxxa> international text is made once a day at 9cents cost and the sensors are based of rf module and atttiny and costs $3
[09:34] <Rebounder> Haxxa: anyway good for uni on the project-admin level, it is a lot of stuff involved
[09:35] <mfa298> Haxxa: as craag said one of the first things to think about how far apart are these sensors located as that might indicate whether mesh topologies are worth looking at.
[09:35] <Rebounder> mfa298: right
[09:36] <mfa298> also where's that international text cost based on, It might be different from the middle of Africa.
[09:36] <cm13g09> morning mfa298
[09:36] <Haxxa> I based this of ugandan cell provider
[09:37] <mfa298> also check gsm coverage at ground level. There can be quite a difference between cell phone at head height and cell phone on the ground.
[09:37] <Haxxa> mfa298 yes there is plently and I will include this data server side to suppliement ground data
[09:38] <Haxxa> mfa298 yes cell coverage is shotty but people who work at farm for aid projects have confirmed gsm phones work well at this farm
[09:38] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03HORUS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=HORUS
[09:39] <mfa298> there can be a *huge* difference between cell coverage when it's at head height and when it's on the ground, especially when surrounded by lots of antenuators (growing crops)
[09:40] <mfa298> morning cm13g09
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[09:55] <Haxxa> anyway I am getting told in another channel its a dumb idea as it doesn't really help and I should just send money and resources over - do you guys hold this same opinion
[09:55] <Haxxa> ?
[09:56] <daveake> Not many farmers here
[09:57] <Haxxa> sure but from a common sense standpoint - the other option is build a solar powered boat and send resources over but I don't think taht helps much
[09:57] <tweetBot> @HABSupplies: Congratulations to http://t.co/Gooyr3PTEU on their successful launch video here http://t.co/2guKqLhAkU #ukhas
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[10:12] <amell> interesting video that. didnt think oleds performed too great in those conditions.
[10:13] <daveake> woah https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2UE_R0IQAAFheS.jpg
[10:13] <amell> daveake: is that the weve landed image?
[10:13] <daveake> ignnore
[10:14] <daveake> it's from the orbiter
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[10:14] <amell> ah well. im wondering when the landed images are coming.
[10:14] <daveake> at the press conf
[10:14] <daveake> There is 1 landing photo out
[10:14] <amell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30034060
[10:14] <amell> yes thats it
[10:15] <x-f> ground pic - https://twitter.com/Philae2014/status/532836708661100544
[10:15] <amell> doesnt look very flat to me! I am wondering if its on its side.
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[10:16] <fsphil> http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2014/11/welcome_to_a_comet/15048351-1-eng-GB/Welcome_to_a_comet.jpg
[10:16] <fsphil> hi-res
[10:16] <fsphil> scary stuff
[10:16] <amell> very. wouldnt like to be there.
[10:17] <amell> wasnt there a film where someone crashed a space shuttle on a comet, to drill holes to put nuclear bombs down.
[10:17] <staylo> definitely not. And there were no matrix sequels either. :)
[10:18] <amell> on that landing image, bottom right - theres what looks like a wire, going from the probe into the rock&. did you see it?
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[10:24] <staylo> That seems to be a feature of the rock, you can see it blending in at both ends. Remarkably straight though, very interesting.
[10:24] <amell> but theres a shadow of a wire?
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[10:25] <staylo> Not sure where you mean
[10:26] <amell> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2UGnn4CIAAYb0Y.png:large
[10:26] <amell> looks like theres a braided wire, with a shadow off to its right
[10:27] <amell> maybe im seeing things&
[10:28] <fsphil> "Mark McCaughrean says we have 7 CIVA images on the ground and one of them is looking at sky. Means Philae is at least sloping, poss. on side"
[10:28] <amell> doesnt sound positive
[10:28] <daveake> Good job they didn't use a Spot then
[10:28] <amell> oh how we laughed.
[10:28] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/astrofrog/status/532839410023534592/photo/1
[10:28] <staylo> amell: Not sure, looks to me like the shadow to the right is just the shadow of the rock section that that straight feature is a part of
[10:29] <amell> sure looks like a braided cable to me.
[10:30] <fsphil> this is the most confusing landing image ever
[10:31] <staylo> Yeah, I'd have expected it to be artificial given how straight it is, but you can see it blend into the rock at both ends. Really weird.
[10:31] <amell> titan descent images were also pretty confusing.
[10:31] <amell> wish ESA would hurry up and release photos real time. they obviously have more.
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> thinking rock is probably misleading
[10:37] <SpeedEvil> think more flaky pastry, I suspect
[10:38] <daveake> yesterday it was less rock more roll
[10:38] <fsphil> this makes more sense: http://i.imgur.com/hwWtl4X.jpg
[10:38] <fsphil> that landing leg might not be on the ground
[10:39] <joeman1> very interesting
[10:39] <daveake> Also ... the first bounce was 100's of metres, and the second only a few. So maybe the second was on a wall not the ground
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[10:41] Action: joeman1 is surprised there is even enough gravity to get it to come back down after a bounce
[10:41] <joeman1> the esacpe velocity would be next to nothing
[10:41] <fsphil> yea you could jump of it
[10:41] <craag> 0.5 m/s escape velocity iirc?
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> The escape velocity is next to nothing
[10:41] <SpeedEvil> But
[10:41] <fsphil> the first bounce was probably a pretty good percentage of escape velocity
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> It took seven hours to fall.
[10:42] <craag> It was due to land at 1 m/s
[10:42] <joeman1> reminds me of the forces an ion drive exerts
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[10:42] <joeman1> oh ok
[10:42] <SpeedEvil> bouncing off will only happen if the surface is hard
[10:43] <fsphil> if it is sitting at 90 degrees, wonder if they can do anything
[10:43] <daveake> It went through the surface, but maybe that was a thin cover over hard rock
[10:43] <MoALTz> the time of the bounces was 53min and 7min. coefficient of restituation of 0.36?
[10:43] <fsphil> anything they do might make it worse
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[10:47] <MoALTz> oh the coeff is probably 0.13. i may still be making mistakes with calculating though
[10:48] <daveake> They have 2 windows per day, roughly 4 hours each, for comms from lander up to Rosetta
[10:48] <daveake> next one starts 19:27
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[10:56] <staylo> Ah, that image makes a lot more sense. :)
[10:57] <fsphil> not a great position to be in though
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[11:06] <staylo> nope. I think I see another line feature that doesn't look promising - purple lines here http://ibin.co/1h5h3qSjx3Q6
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[11:10] <fsphil> "Indications now that @Philae2014 might not be in a place where it can recharge its batteries. Poor lighting."
[11:10] <daveake> :(
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[11:12] <joeman1> fsphil
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[11:12] <joeman1> shurely the comet is rotating some what?
[11:13] <joeman1> and so it would eventually get sufficient light?
[11:13] <joeman1> (I assume this would have been part of the discussin when selecting a landing position)
[11:13] <daveake> Well, first, it bounced for several hours, so it's ended up somewhere else
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[11:14] <daveake> second, it looks like it's on its side against a wall
[11:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC8 after 0314 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
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[11:15] <amell> looks like b-64 is headed for a pass over istanbul
[11:16] <cm13g09> when did B-64 go up?
[11:16] <fsphil> yea more shadows than expected
[11:16] <cm13g09> must be 4 months now?
[11:16] <amell> is this lap 9?
[11:16] <amell> lost count
[11:16] <cm13g09> amell: think so
[11:16] <cm13g09> certainly 8
[11:16] <staylo> I wonder how much control over power consumption they have.
[11:17] <amell> looks like 8 completed and now going for 9. flipping nuts.
[11:17] <amell> 124d 4h in the air
[11:17] <cm13g09> pfft.....
[11:17] <cm13g09> so yes... 4 months
[11:18] <fsphil> seems like longer
[11:18] <amell> 12th July seems like an eternity ago.
[11:18] <cm13g09> 2 months more
[11:18] <cm13g09> and we'll be in the "silly" durations
[11:18] <amell> any bets on where B-64 will be christmas morning? :)
[11:19] <joeman1> north pole
[11:19] <joeman1> in the back with Santa
[11:20] <amell> a landing in leos back yard?
[11:20] <amell> still wondering what happened to b-66
[11:22] <SpacenearUS> New position from 030x04 after 0317 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=0x04
[11:22] <amell> still cant get over that this http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-64/B-64-payload.jpg has been floating for 122 days.
[11:24] <amell> 2014-11-10 14:09:52 GMT: KC6VVT>M0XER-4: Receiving direct, an old friend - Very fine business, Leo - 73 Pat
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[11:26] <qyx_> maybe there are people all over the world simulating b-64 transmissions!
[11:27] <amell> I see the arhab record pages are updated with B-64.
[11:29] <malgar> send B-64 to a comet
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[12:17] <fsphil> "CNES: Philae solar panels seem damaged. 8 of 10 instruments sending data. The other 2 need movement & would consume energy, a no-no for now"
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[12:17] <Ian_> "[10:12] <amell> interesting video that. didnt think oleds performed too great in those conditions.", yes, but did anyone see anything at all readable on the OLED display . . . Should have gone to Swinton's perhaps?
[12:17] <Ian_> Do tell if you did.
[12:18] <edmoore> fsphil, interesting
[12:19] <Ian_> Someone, need not apply for photo interpreter position.
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[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:26] <daveake> Not Comet_Bouncer today?
[12:26] <fsphil> surfin' ESA
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea I just switched the internet on
[12:27] <daveake> rocking and rolling
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah seems like it
[12:27] <daveake> Ah
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> philae flipped over I am just reading
[12:27] <fsphil> phew, I was wondering where the internet had gone
[12:27] <daveake> So you're the person that switches the internet on
[12:27] <amell> link?
[12:27] <daveake> Please don't switch it off
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
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[12:27] <fsphil> the photo from the ground makes it look like it's sitting at 90 degrees
[12:28] <fsphil> maybe a bit more
[12:28] <daveake> That might be a hole that one leg is over
[12:28] <fsphil> yea
[12:28] <fsphil> it's not clear at all
[12:28] <fsphil> I doubt the orbiter will be able to resolve it clearly to find out
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> yes, the flipped over thing is on twitter
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> here is BBC which doesn't say it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30034060
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> but there will be a UK post stamp on friday (woo)
[12:30] <amell> so apparently they are thinking of firing harpoons to make it jump to somewhere better.
[12:31] <fsphil> I'd leave it where it was and get as much data as possible first
[12:32] <amell> the issue with that is apparently only 1.5 hours sunlight per day where it is.
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[12:32] <amell> which is not enough to keep the batts topped up
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/11/Welcome_to_a_comet
[12:32] <amell> bit like B-64 flying over the north pole in winter...
[12:32] <daveake> I thought the harpoons are broken and won't fire?
[12:33] <amell> god knows. ESA are very slow in releasing information....
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> "The full panoramic from CIVA will be delivered in this afternoons press briefing at 13:00 GMT/14:00 CET."
[12:33] <amell> so it seems the press briefing is the place to be...
[12:33] <fsphil> speculation is fun too
[12:33] <amell> personally i think they should just tweet pics as soon as received.
[12:34] <amell> so we can speculate with data
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[12:35] <fsphil> one of the speakers talked about an individual "owning" ÇIVA
[12:35] <fsphil> and so could release the data
[12:35] <amell> thats ridiculoous
[12:35] <fsphil> that's the problem right there
[12:35] <Ian_> Hopefully with a bit of photo interpretation from the team, rather than wishful thinking. The public are quite able to do the speculation on their own.
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> they made the point in one release that the pictures are quite heavily re-processed as the contrast range is from black to very black!
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[12:36] <amell> https://twitter.com/DrPertorbat/status/532871293474185216
[12:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:37] <amell> dailyfail is claiming that philae has landed in a cave.
[12:37] <amell> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2832751/Rosetta-s-probe-stable-Philae-confirms-s-holding-67P-scientists-fear-tumbled-side.html
[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> confused language in that "rotated around vertical axis so no longer upright" ? Duh ???
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> if you keep rotating around your z-Axis, you will not stay upright after some time
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> (satire!)
[12:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :-)
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[12:47] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[12:47] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141113-10_192283_B64.gif
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[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Breifing live feed started http://new.livestream.com/ESA/cometlanding no politicians listed on the participants list! Hurray!!
[12:53] <fsphil> hah
[12:53] <fsphil> they'll have run a mile now that there are issues
[12:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> briefing even
[12:53] <fsphil> the little titlebar is annoying on that page
[12:54] <fsphil> it sticks to the top when I scroll down
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[12:55] <gonzo_> the bbc says it will be streaming that too
[12:55] <fsphil> wonder what t-shirt matt will be wearing today
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> will it be HAB time I wonder ?
[12:58] <fsphil> 13:00 ISH
[12:59] <fsphil> they should be a bit better prepared this time
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ISH
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[13:00] <fsphil> yep lol
[13:00] <fsphil> I guess not
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[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ah
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> fill in shots
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[13:13] <fsphil> repeats
[13:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> BBC have had more info on the News
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> at last now get to the facts and images
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[13:18] <mfa298> reading scroll back:
[13:18] <mfa298> 12:30 < amell> so apparently they are thinking of firing harpoons to make it jump to somewhere better.
[13:19] <mfa298> makes me think of the game worms
[13:19] <fsphil> launch the sheep
[13:19] <staylo> bungee!
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[13:20] <edmoore> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPpauFbnIA
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[13:21] <mattbrejza> oh its under a cliff
[13:22] <amell> on its side?
[13:22] <amell> pesky cliffs
[13:25] <mattbrejza> its vertical, two feet on the surface
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 1m from cliff face
[13:26] <gonzo_> the press must love the early days of missions. When they can speculate wildly, before they have to start reporting facts, which they don't understand
[13:26] <amell> the other two feet? legs akimbo
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> only 3 feet
[13:26] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 3 ft = 0.91 m
[13:26] <gonzo_> why did sibot not jump in?
[13:26] <gonzo_> hehe
[13:26] <amell> lol
[13:27] <amell> so what does this mean for mission objectives?
[13:28] <gonzo_> I assume it's either stuck by the weakest of gravity, or the surface is softish and it's stabbed in a little
[13:28] <amell> It would be amazing if rosetta was able to image philae on the surface.
[13:28] <gonzo_> are ther any other securing systems, other than the harpoons?
[13:29] <x-f> screws, but..
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> intended for ice not rocks
[13:29] <fsphil> someone came in to talk about boring office stuff, did I miss anything?
[13:29] <amell> also a gas jet, which allegedly doesnt work.
[13:29] <amell> fsphil: we learned that cliffs are a problem, even in space
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> under a cliff 1m from the face, 2 feet on ground
[13:30] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 2 ft = 0.61 m
[13:30] <fsphil> at least it didn't land in a tree
[13:30] <gonzo_> would expect some failuyres after 10yrs in space
[13:30] <gonzo_> hehe
[13:30] <amell> incredible it got this far after this long tbh
[13:32] <amell> this second smaller jump at 3cm/s for 7 min. i wonder if it hit the cliff overhang and came back down again.
[13:32] Nick change: thoren_ -> thoren
[13:33] <SpeedEvil> to be honest - we're lucky it avoided a tree
[13:37] <gonzo_> at least it came down gentler than some hab payloads
[13:37] <fsphil> maybe we can have a sample return mission next
[13:37] <fsphil> given how easy it is to take off again :)
[13:38] <amell> didnt we already have comet sample return? hayabusa?
[13:38] <fsphil> it visited an asteroid
[13:38] <fsphil> only managed to pick up a few particles
[13:39] <amell> oh and they slammed into the earth and bust it if i remember right
[13:39] <fsphil> that was the solar one
[13:39] <fsphil> Genesis
[13:39] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_%28spacecraft%29#mediaviewer/File:Genesis_crash_site_scenery.jpg
[13:39] <fsphil> very sad image
[13:41] <Piet0r> Hi guys
[13:41] <Piet0r> I was just wondering
[13:41] <Piet0r> Is it possible to receive and decode signals from the Philae lander?
[13:42] <amell> so genesis capsule chute didnt deploy because Lockheed Martin put a G sensor in backwards&.
[13:42] <fsphil> with a large enough antenna sure. but it would need to be very very large
[13:42] <fsphil> philae has a 1-watt s-band transmitter
[13:42] <Piet0r> They are probably using those big antennas in Chili?
[13:42] <fsphil> nah, rosetta receives the philae signals
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> philea talks to rosseta the relays to earth
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> Piet0r: in principle - but not in practice
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Piet0r: I suspect aricebo could not pick up the lander directly
[13:43] <Piet0r> Ah ok
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> It's intended for reception at ~50km tops.
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[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Not ~1 billion km
[13:43] <fsphil> the huygens lander signal was detected on earth
[13:43] <fsphil> but not strong enough to decode
[13:43] <Piet0r> But can you listen to Rosetta?
[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Likely
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> It can take quite modest equipment to recieve space probes.
[13:44] <fsphil> Piet0r: http://www.uhf-satcom.com/amateurdsn/rosetta/
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> It takes lots more significant stuff to actually decode the signals withan acceptable SNR
[13:44] <fsphil> detecting is the easy bit
[13:44] <fsphil> decoding not so much
[13:44] <Piet0r> Hmm
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> You can detect at orders of magnitude weaker than you can actually decode in many cases
[13:45] <Piet0r> Does ESA use a ground station for that or do they maybe use orbital receivers?
[13:45] <Piet0r> That relay back to earth
[13:45] <fsphil> closer things sure - iirc some frames from the chinese luner lander where decoded by amateurs
[13:46] <fsphil> http://www.uhf-satcom.com/amateurdsn/chang-e-3/
[13:46] <gonzo_> they were published protocols. Most of the DSN stuff is not published
[13:48] <fsphil> nice photo of the lander next to the comet
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Those images appearing here http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2014/11/%28sortBy%29/published
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[14:02] <fsphil> wonder if the comet will push it off the surface as it gets more active
[14:03] <x-f> i doubt, but i wonder how the comet activation will affect Rosetta
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[14:05] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhh
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> but
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> it has been a long way since Giotto and its high-speed meeting with Halley in 1986
[14:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:06] <fsphil> "@Philae2014 is designed to be able to hop on surface but, given position + lack of avail power, not likely option"
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:07] <daveake> awe
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> like the Hopper on Phobos 2
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> if you remember that mission
[14:07] <mclane_> Hello, I just received the new raspi a+
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane_
[14:07] <Lunar_Lander> how is it?
[14:08] <mclane_> bad, I am ill
[14:08] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[14:08] <Lunar_Lander> and the Raspi A+?
[14:08] <mclane_> grippe
[14:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh noes
[14:09] <Lunar_Lander> I have "just" the cold
[14:09] <Lunar_Lander> got myself vaxed against the flu
[14:09] <fsphil> space flu
[14:09] <amell> comet borne diseases
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> this mission is totally irresponsable
[14:10] <SpeedEvil> has nobody seen The Andromeda Strain
[14:10] <mclane_> i tried to power it on the 5 V pin
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> They have debugging facilities on Rosseta so should be OK ;-)
[14:10] Nick change: priyesh_ -> priyesh
[14:11] <mclane_> It seems to work down to 3 V
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> I am just shuddering
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> there once was a cheap space pirates movie which featured a space illness disguised as a worm
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> that was so disgusting and I was so scared that I had to switch channels
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> (I was 12 I think)
[14:13] <nats`> Lunar_Lander I think it was a "MOVIE"
[14:13] <nats`> wasn't
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> that thing was called space herpes
[14:13] <mclane_> I am wondering how much current I can draw from the 3.3 V line (camera +wifi attached)
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[14:13] <amell> rosetta reminds me of The Blob (1958)
[14:14] <amell> alien amoeba
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> too bad the blob never was on MST3K
[14:15] <fsphil> "Reports circulating this morning of damage to Philae solar panels were false"
[14:15] <edmoore> is there a canonical source for phillae news?
[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Doesn't seem like it other than these briefings
[14:16] <adamgreig> http://www.reddit.com/live/tw0cnch7nxjx/ :P
[14:16] <fsphil> sadly not. most of my news is coming from @elakdawalla atm
[14:16] <edmoore> she is good actually
[14:16] <fsphil> yes
[14:17] <edmoore> churyumov sounds very russian
[14:17] <edmoore> and very drunk
[14:18] <adamgreig> http://i.imgur.com/A9SMgCu.jpg
[14:18] <adamgreig> heck of a jump
[14:18] <adamgreig> wonder why it fell back
[14:18] <adamgreig> not like the comet itself has very much in the way of gravity, but i guess maybe it was enough
[14:19] <amell> Given where Philae ended up after bouncing, only 50-55 hrs of battery power remaining b/c of lack of sunlight at spot.
[14:19] <amell> it may have landed on one of leos balloons, so bounced back up again
[14:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It was looking for a tree
[14:20] <adamgreig> having just a couple days of battery must be pretty stressful
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[14:21] <adamgreig> if they don't find a good solution in the next 50 hours I guess they're pretty out of luck
[14:21] <amell> i dont think theyll wait that long to do something&
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> It's not quite 50 hours
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> It's 50 hours, plus 20 minutes or so a day of power
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> oh
[14:22] Action: SpeedEvil ponders if there is a required thermal load to heat
[14:22] <adamgreig> more than that - 90 minutes per 12 hours I think? - but as configured that won't be enough to keep it alive and functional aiui
[14:23] <adamgreig> wonder if it can fire one harpoon and use it to slingshot around the comet into a better position :P
[14:25] <gonzo_> they say that is the last option. I suspect iot would be a bit of a coin toss
[14:25] <gonzo_> will lots of tails and only one head
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[14:27] Nick change: Myself_ -> Myself
[14:27] <amell> i think the lander has a flywheel, so could be used to shuffle
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> with limited battery
[14:28] <fsphil> comments earlier suggested not enough power
[14:29] <fsphil> things might get better as it approaches the sun
[14:29] <fsphil> the spin of the comet may become more favourable over time
[14:29] <fsphil> or worse
[14:30] <adamgreig> shame it bounced so much
[14:30] <adamgreig> shame the thruster and the harpoons both failed really :P
[14:31] <x-f> it's not over yet
[14:31] <BrainDamage> they are just trying to build up drama, so they threw a few cliffhangers in the clou moment
[14:32] <adamgreig> :P
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[15:11] <SA6BSS-Mike> allot fun projectsrunning on hackaday http://hackaday.io/project/270-cubex
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[15:12] <edmoore> never heard of it
[15:12] <edmoore> looks suspicious
[15:12] <edmoore> and as for the guy behind the project...
[15:13] <edmoore> don't like the look of him
[15:14] <daveake> Poor taste in beer by the look of it
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[15:19] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MickUk_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MickUk_chase
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[15:26] <SA6BSS-Mike> hehe, did not read the name, its arkos project :)
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Doubrt he has even recieved B-64 even
[15:37] <Ian_> PietOr, the receiving dishes are in the order of 230ft and are the Goldstone in the USA and Adelaide in Australia. - Dongles and whips need not apply :)
[15:37] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 230 ft = 70 m
[15:38] <Ian_> Yeah, that's 70m not 70cm
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[15:45] <cm13g09> craag: I take it theRealSIbot stood up?
[15:46] <fsphil> a 70m dish out of tinfoil would be fun and probably pointless
[15:46] <cm13g09> the others all being shady impersonators....
[15:46] <fsphil> cm13g09: it went that extra mile
[15:47] <cm13g09> fsphil: Hah
[15:47] <cm13g09> damnit - set myself up for that
[15:47] <cm13g09> didn't I?
[15:48] <cm13g09> Heard on local radio: "We think the government needs to be careful about the EU and its plans for metrification. If we give them 25.4mm they'll take 1.6km."
[15:50] <craag> lol cm13g09
[15:50] <cm13g09> craag: which bit.....
[15:50] <cm13g09> the Jack FM-ism or theRealSIbot bit?
[15:51] <craag> *
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[15:51] <cm13g09> lol
[15:51] <cm13g09> well....
[15:51] <cm13g09> I'm slightly bored :P
[15:51] <cm13g09> (Writing invoicing systems is painful)
[15:53] <edmoore> write something else
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[16:20] <pc1pcl> ~
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[16:22] <edmoore> 70000ft
[16:22] <theRealSIbot> In real units: 70000 ft = 21 km
[16:22] <edmoore> much better thank you aziz
[16:25] <Upu> light...
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[16:32] <fsphil> that movie could has so easily been awful
[16:32] <fsphil> have*
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[17:26] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03dl4mgc-9_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=dl4mgc-9_chase
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[17:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah LeoBodnar, has your connecton been out, no update from APRS to SNUS it seems ?
[17:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> for the last 15minutes
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[17:39] <lz1dev> !aprs ping m0xer-4
[17:39] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03M0XER-4 was 03a few seconds ago
[17:40] <lz1dev> !ping b-64
[17:40] <SpacenearUS> 03lz1dev: Last contact with 03B-64 was 03a few seconds ago
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> i have been driving home :D
[17:40] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Right its just caught up about 20 seconds ago!
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[18:14] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03EDUPIC8 after 037 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
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[18:43] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/matisidro/status/532896049393041410/photo/1
[18:43] <fsphil> s/rover/lander/
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[18:45] <lz1dev> why are twitter's pics so shitty with js
[18:45] <lz1dev> without*
[18:46] <fsphil> didn't realise Hayabusa had a lander (though it failed)
[18:46] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayabusa#MINERVA_mini-lander
[18:46] <arko> didnt it get a sample?
[18:46] <astrobiologist> not a hab question, but I am testing out my 817 on HF. I'm in London. would the SUWS websdr pick me up?
[18:46] <arko> there is an excellent movie about it actually
[18:46] <fsphil> it got some material but not as much as they'd hoped
[18:46] <x-f> TIL NEAR spaceprobe landed/softly crashed on Eros
[18:47] <fsphil> http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn8362/dn8362-1_500.jpg
[18:47] <fsphil> loved this picture
[18:47] <arko> fsphil: isnt that still somewhat of landing
[18:47] <fsphil> oh it did land
[18:47] <arko> er
[18:47] <fsphil> it was on the surface for 30 minutes
[18:47] <arko> making contact at least
[18:47] <arko> yeah
[18:47] <arko> i'd call that landing...
[18:48] <fsphil> don't think it took any images while on the surface though
[18:48] <fsphil> I can't find any
[18:48] Nick change: kf7fer2 -> kf7fer
[18:49] <x-f> Hayabusa had so many technical failures you have to admire Japanese engineers for bringing it back to Earth and completing its mission
[18:50] <fsphil> yes lol
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[18:51] <arko> x-f: YES
[18:51] <arko> there is an amazing movie around it
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[18:51] <arko> err
[18:51] <arko> about it*
[18:51] <arko> http://asianwiki.com/Hayabusa_%28Japanese_Movie%29
[18:51] <arko> if anyone can find the english subtitles file for it i'd be sooo happy
[18:52] <arko> they did some crazy crazy stuff, essentially doing all these hacks, to bring it back
[18:52] <arko> i dont know why the story isnt more popular
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[18:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> arko: this sub?? http://www.opensubtitles.org/sv/search/sublanguageid-swe,eng/idmovie-136152
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[18:54] <arko> woah
[18:54] <arko> is that it?
[18:55] <arko> i'll check when i get to my home pc
[18:55] <edmoore> that's it
[18:55] <edmoore> boom
[18:55] <edmoore> FIN
[18:55] <x-f> cool, thanks
[18:58] <fsphil> that cord we saw was an antenna, not a rope
[18:59] <daveake> ah
[19:00] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Not a helpful place for it to be, then...
[19:03] <fsphil> well it seems to be working
[19:05] <LazyLeopard> Probably not as well as it might have, though...
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[19:08] <mikestir> astrobiologist: depends on the band. hack green sdr is probably about the same distance away from me as you are from the suws one and I have only ever heard myself on that on 80m
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[19:10] <craag> astrobiologist: SUWS websdr doesn't do HF
[19:10] <craag> yet
[19:10] <mikestir> oh yeah that would be an issue :)
[19:10] <mikestir> you might make the hack green or netherlands one on 40 or 20m
[19:11] <fsphil> I've heard myself on the nl one
[19:11] <fsphil> on 40m
[19:11] <Myself> that's surprising, as I've never transmitted there.
[19:11] <Myself> :o
[19:14] <fsphil> we're always listening
[19:14] <Myself> adamgreig and Upu: I checked the datamatrix codes on all my ublox modules last night, they're all unique. Didn't bother to decode, as I was just looking for identical ones, and I could do that by-eye. All mine are PCI-5S cards or Neo-6M modules from eBay.
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[19:21] <arko> http://www.amazon.com/Cuusoo-Hayabusa-Aerospace-Exploration-21101/dp/B006RFVDEE
[19:21] <arko> :( want
[19:22] <fsphil> $145!
[19:23] <arko> only :P
[19:24] <jonsowman> q
[19:25] <jonsowman> erm excuse me
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[19:33] <x-f> http://www.amazon.com/UFO-02-magnetometer-interfaced-controller-anomalies/dp/B000FVUKKO
[19:33] <x-f> hummm
[19:39] <kf7fer> how can you not want one with reviews like "This little gizmo is a bargain at twice the price and much more accurate than the voices in my head"
[19:40] <kf7fer> I mean I do listen to the voices... usually
[19:42] <ulfr> hehe
[19:42] <daveake> There are some really good Amazon reviews
[19:42] <daveake> Opposite end of the scale to youtube comments
[19:44] <fsphil> The Story about Ping was the first great one
[19:44] <astrobiologist> sorry, I was cooking. I'll try hackgreen and the one in Holland (what was it's name again?). during competitions, I can hear other people's rtty etc, but nobody replies to me, but since it is a dx competition maybe they are ignoring non-competitors
[19:44] <astrobiologist> outside of competitions, the hf bands seem totally, totally silent from my location
[19:44] <fsphil> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[19:46] <daveake> https://twitter.com/coreyspowell/status/532970926795534337
[19:46] <astrobiologist> fsphil: thanks
[19:47] <mikestir> astrobiologist: you need to be on the right bands at the right time of day. what antenna are you using?
[19:47] <mikestir> 10m is starting to liven up again now going into the winter, and that has the advantage of a much lower noise floor than the lower bands
[19:48] <mikestir> you'll get into the states on a few watts there on a good day around 1500h-1600h
[19:48] <astrobiologist> mikestir: an HF whip, I know it is far from optimal but I can hear other people. as to the time of day - usually around now! there were a few dx competitions over the weekend and I could clear see and decode rtty on the waterfall
[19:49] <astrobiologist> usually on 40m, I should have added
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[19:49] <fsphil> those people could be using a lot of power
[19:49] <astrobiologist> fsphil: yes, suspected as much, one was a Canadian station.
[19:50] <astrobiologist> ...but I'd settle for a nearby websdr as a test. where is green hack?
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[19:52] <mikestir> after dark the higher bands quieten down. 80m is probably your best bet but a small antenna will be particularly inefficient there
[19:52] <fsphil> you need a medical condition to complain about on 80m too
[19:52] <mikestir> hack green is in cheshire
[19:52] <ulfr> Haha
[19:52] <mikestir> I think that applies on any band fsphil
[19:53] <mikestir> astrobiologist: you could play with wspr. that will go a long way on very suboptimal kit
[19:53] <fsphil> I don't hear anythign on 80m anymore, too much noise. but when I did it was mostly people in the north of england complaining
[19:53] <mikestir> also the wsprnet map will give you a good indication of what bands are open to where
[19:53] <mikestir> I don't hear anything apart from the streetlights below about 15m after dark
[19:53] <astrobiologist> Mikestir: wspr?
[19:54] <mikestir> http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
[19:54] <edmoore> 70cm repeaters are Ailment FM in my experience
[19:55] <mikestir> so if you look at 80m you can see that band is currently open for uk and near-europe contacts
[19:55] <astrobiologist> mikestir: thank you, didn't know that one
[19:55] <astrobiologist> edmoore: that's why I want to try rtty, psk31 etc - there is very little interesting to talk about on voice, might as well set oneself a qrp challenge
[19:56] <mikestir> late afternoon in the winter you can quite often get on the 10m FM repeater in new york
[19:56] <edmoore> yeah the digi modes are fascinating
[19:56] <fsphil> yea the NY repeater comes in nicely sometimes
[19:56] <mikestir> I'd quite like to try some olivia or contestia vhf or uhf dx
[19:56] <mikestir> shout if anyone fancies trying that
[19:57] <edmoore> the really low power stuff is a nice rminder of the usefullness of scince
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[19:58] <astrobiologist> mikestir: SHOUT! I can clearly identify rtty on the waterfall, I might be able to do the same for psk, but Olivia, contestia etc - I'd basically need a buddy to try and qso with
[19:58] <astrobiologist> rats, you said vhf, uhf... so unless you're in London...
[19:58] <mikestir> well no I'm near liverpool, but that would be the whole idea
[19:59] <astrobiologist> really? so it works well beyond line of sight?
[20:00] <mikestir> well I've worked stations on the isle of man and northern island on 2m ssb
[20:00] <mikestir> and they are well below my horizon
[20:00] <mikestir> northern ireland*
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[20:01] <mikestir> it wouldn't be worth the bother if it were line of sight - we know that works from all the hab flights
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[20:02] <astrobiologist> Mikestir: well I'd definitely be up for trying it. I am currently trying to get rid of all the annoying qrm in my house, including my lightbulbs and my usb sound card, which was SCREAMING across vhf and uhf on am, of all things
[20:03] <mikestir> the vast majority of electrical interference tends to be pulsed, so it is most obvious on am
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[20:29] <sp5nvx> Hi aprove doc 55df2a41a7e392da23dd1f5058dfc5a1 please
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[20:35] <Oddstr13> http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Unknown_24 does anyone have any idea of what this could be? I've mentioned the signal in here earlier too
[20:37] <kf7fer> sp5nvx: Did you also try asking in #habhub?
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[20:41] <sp5nvx> no i ask only here
[20:44] <sp5nvx> join/#habhub
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[20:46] <astrobiologist> tried 40m test rtty to red hack... not a sausage :-(
[20:48] <sp5nvx> ok i ask also habhub but not approved jet ;(
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[21:07] <fsphil> HF is an odd beast
[21:08] <fsphil> a station 10 miles away might not hear you, but someone in germany might
[21:08] <Myself> Heh. I experienced that on CB one night. Michigan to Tennessee, for about 3 minutes.
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[21:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Good for understanding the way Philea is orients http://elakdawalla.tumblr.com/post/102544296955/philae-status-a-day-later
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE_> *oriented
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[22:11] <Maxell> Myself: yes, 11 meters is quite intresting. Just like 10 meters amateur... Yesterday strong fm signals from New York repeater
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[22:37] <fsphil> I wonder if the NY repeater's regulars like or hate all the extra users
[22:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> daveake, "A child of all ages" love it!
[22:38] <mikestir> probably hate. it tends to be totally unusable with people making 30 second CQ 10 calls and failing to realise they are on FM and have a captive audience
[22:39] <Geoff-G8DHE_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4CO_OwmTw&feature=youtu.be&t=4m22s
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[22:44] <SpeedEvil> http://elakdawalla.tumblr.com/post/102544296955/philae-status-a-day-later
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[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> good that 80% of the instrumentation can work
[22:50] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There banging on the door now with MUPUS it seems
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> that is the sample arm?
[22:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> hammers a temperature probe into the depths! and other sensors
[22:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> The Alien is probing the inside of the Comrt ;-)
[22:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> *Comet
[22:51] <fsphil> I saw a space invader, and it was us
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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