highaltitude.log.20141112

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[10:32] <edmoore> antares rocket failure looks to be turbopump, more officially
[10:33] <mattbrejza> 30yrs of sitting in a shed not done it much good?
[10:33] <mattbrejza> </speculation>
[10:35] <edmoore> probably nothing to do with that
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[10:35] <edmoore> given the americans inspect them far more than the russians ever did
[10:35] <edmoore> they xray everything and have other forms of NTD, and they test-fire them
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[10:35] <edmoore> i'd be more willing to bet a technician somewhere installed an o-ring dodgily or something
[10:35] <mattbrejza> oh ok
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[10:37] <UpuWork> yup was a server with a dodgy PSU
[10:37] <WillDWork> do you not have dual feeds in that rack?
[10:38] <UpuWork> no its just one feed
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[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03B-64 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=B-64
[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX4 after 0321 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX4
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[10:55] <g8mie> I see that B64 is over Madrid, about to complete yet another circumnavigation. Amazing!
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[11:02] <jededu> New board 6.3g :) http://i.imgur.com/R0kL1O4.jpg?1
[11:05] <bertrik> nice
[11:07] <Rebounder> jededu: maybe a bit stupid question.. what's the break-off port on the right side?
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[11:08] <mattbrejza> ones the pic programmer and one a serial terminal at a guess
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[11:12] <jededu> mattbrejza is correct
[11:13] <mattbrejza> yay, what do i win?
[11:13] <Rebounder> some lost helium
[11:14] <jededu> lol
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[11:32] <LeoBodnar> can you run this on it? http://geoffg.net/maximite.html
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[11:38] <fsphil> hehe, easy to spot when people reaslise they're on the esa stream
[11:39] <jededu> LeoBodnar probablt with a bit of work
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[11:42] <Rebounder> jededu: nice clean layout
[11:43] <jededu> Rebounder thx
[11:45] <fsphil> 12:40 utc for the first images from the orbiter (of the lander I presume)
[11:47] <SA6BSS> some update to my page
[11:47] <SA6BSS> http://www.qsl.net/sa6bss/hab.html
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[12:10] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03VORTEX6 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VORTEX6
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[12:16] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cNEwJ/cf2a6b6bbd.png
[12:16] <Oddstr13> ^^
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[12:22] <SA6BSS> with a new dll file there should be reasonable results down to 15Mhz
[12:23] <SA6BSS> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/demo-new-r820t-driver-extra-gain-decimation-filter-adjustments/
[12:23] <Laurenceb> will this work on linux/mac ?
[12:23] <Laurenceb> oh sdr#
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[12:30] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cNF3C/ccb65e1960.png What is this?
[12:30] <Oddstr13> It's a rather slow, multitone signal
[12:31] <SA6BSS> looks likw wspr
[12:31] <SA6BSS> if the transmission is 1,54min it is wspr
[12:34] <Oddstr13> got a audio sample of wspr handy?
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[12:35] <Rebounder> i think jt65
[12:35] <Rebounder> or julia
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[12:38] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: type of receiver?
[12:38] <Oddstr13> the standard 10$ RTL dongle
[12:39] <Oddstr13> looking around in the 12m band atm
[12:40] <Rebounder> ah
[12:42] <Oddstr13> this is at 24.918 MHz btw
[12:43] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: JT65 btw http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/k2uyh_jt_spec.png
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[12:44] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cNFCo/1d6d7d301a.png
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[12:50] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cNFQH/458e76698e.wav a small sample of how it sounds
[12:54] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: jt65 i would say
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[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> B-64 coming up on the launch meridian in about 5 minutes
[12:55] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE_: How many now?
[12:55] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: try this, http://iz4czl.ucoz.com/index/0-28
[12:55] <craag> (or how many in 5 minutes?)
[12:55] <Oddstr13> 24920.0 / USB * note 3 *
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> This will complete the 8th and start the 9th
[12:56] <Oddstr13> ReadError: that's about the frequency I'm at
[12:56] <Oddstr13> silly kvirc >.<
[12:56] <Oddstr13> Rebounder*
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[12:57] <Laurenceb> and 8th circumnavigation completed :D
[12:58] <mattbrejza> !whereis b-64
[12:58] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03B-64 is over 03Valencia, Spain 10(39.67,-1.01) at 0312744 meters
[12:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup
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[12:59] <Rebounder> can someone jsut shot it down so we can enjoy leo's next creations? ;)
[13:01] <Oddstr13> why can't he just create more stuff while that one is doing it's thing? :P
[13:03] <SA6BSS> probably have, but dont want to launch because its heavy for the server to keep track of just one
[13:04] <Laurenceb> unfortunately we dont have a time warper
[13:05] <Laurenceb> so theres no way to know what happens without flying for ages
[13:05] <Oddstr13> is there a easy way for me to determine my grid location?
[13:05] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: maidenhead?
[13:05] <SA6BSS> http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html
[13:07] <Oddstr13> whoa, that's quite precise
[13:07] <Oddstr13> thanks SA6BSS
[13:07] <SA6BSS> np :)
[13:08] Nick change: SA6BSS -> SA6BSS-Mike
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> All the B-64 circumnavigations! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=10
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[13:14] <Oddstr13> http://puu.sh/cNGQh/20c54da92b.png awesome
[13:18] <Rebounder> :)
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[13:20] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: are at least two forks, "comfort" and "HB9HQX-Edition" if you want to try
[13:21] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: these guys enhanced wsjt to support HABs, http://picospace.net/
[13:26] <Oddstr13> Rebounder: If i want to try what?
[13:27] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: other versions of jt65-hf
[13:28] <Oddstr13> I'll have a look at it later
[13:28] <Oddstr13> I've got babysitting duty now :/
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[13:30] <Rebounder> Oddstr13: me too, sick 2year
[13:31] <SA6BSS-Mike> me to :) babysitting crew
[13:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> afterrnon nap time
[13:32] <SA6BSS-Mike> *afternoon
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[13:44] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[13:58] Action: SpacenearUS is going for a nap.
[13:58] Action: SpacenearUS is back!
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[14:10] <Laurenceb> anyone here used amsmath in latex?
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[14:13] <mattbrejza> tahts not 'normal' latex maths?
[14:13] <Laurenceb> no
[14:13] <Laurenceb> sigh
[14:13] <Laurenceb> http://authors.iop.org/atom/help.nsf/0/B042B0AF79C815B88025702000409514?OpenDocument
[14:13] <Laurenceb> im trying to run that
[14:13] <Laurenceb> itd horrible
[14:14] <Laurenceb> *its
[14:16] <adamgreig> amsmath is really common?
[14:16] <adamgreig> like i always have it included
[14:16] <Laurenceb> i do too
[14:16] <Laurenceb> but i seem to be missing some stuff from the 1997 release...
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[14:17] <adamgreig> lol
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[14:18] <Laurenceb> like xparse.sty
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[14:19] <Laurenceb> this is impossible :-/
[14:19] <Laurenceb> hundreds of missing sty files
[14:19] <adamgreig> apt-get install texlive-full
[14:19] <Laurenceb> yeah i have all this
[14:19] <adamgreig> latex is awful
[14:20] <Laurenceb> and fixltx2e.sty
[14:20] <Laurenceb> it all seems to be latex3 stuff, but i have texlive-latex3 installed
[14:20] <Laurenceb> very odd
[14:21] <fsphil> *sigh* http://hackaday.com/2014/11/12/transmitting-data-long-distance-with-morse-code
[14:21] <Laurenceb> i need to write a script to autofix this
[14:22] <mattbrejza> 'Encryption for purposes of concealment is illegal, but the well known WiFI uses encryption as a normal means of data transfer. Wifi encryption is allowed.'
[14:22] <mattbrejza> hmm
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[14:23] <mattbrejza> 'simple XOR encryption feature'
[14:23] <mattbrejza> i should probably stop reading
[14:23] <adamgreig> yea
[14:23] <craag> err wifi encryption allowed ?
[14:23] <craag> no...
[14:24] <adamgreig> wifi doesn't use encryption as a normal means of data transfer either
[14:24] <adamgreig> so just wrong on every count. abort.
[14:25] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE -> Geoff-G8DHE_
[14:26] <Laurenceb> ! Corrupted NFSS tables.
[14:26] <Laurenceb> wrong@fontshape ...message {Corrupted NFSS tables}
[14:26] <Laurenceb> error
[14:26] <Laurenceb> fun
[14:27] <Laurenceb> looks like this isnt going to work either
[14:27] <mattbrejza> just use the msword template
[14:27] <Rebounder> fsphil: very new since there are people spamming fqs with such...
[14:36] <Laurenceb> sent the publisher an angry email instead
[14:37] <Laurenceb> telling them to update their files more than once every 20 years
[14:50] <Laurenceb> ive got to head out, bbl
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[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:10] <fsphil> evening
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> how is everyone?
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> https://xkcd.com/
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> probably everyone saw that already
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> he seems to be updating during the day
[15:20] <adamgreig> every few minutes at the moment..
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[15:20] <bertrik> there! it moved
[15:21] <navrac-2E0VKK> they are going to have to do a lot of filling given the landing 'window' I'm still not sure why there is a window anyway, if their speed is accurate as they say and they know the height I can't see why a 40 minute window
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> he kept a 5 minute update cycling
[15:22] <fsphil> if it missed the head it would take longer for it to reach the main body of the comet
[15:23] <navrac-2E0VKK> ahh, ok
[15:23] <fsphil> just a really odd shaped object to land on :)
[15:25] <navrac-2E0VKK> I'm enjoying the live feed - I like the way all the europeans come on and speak nicely, the first Brit comes on and when asked how they are says '
[15:25] <navrac-2E0VKK> 'I'm knackered'
[15:25] <fsphil> they keep going all social networking. bit annoying
[15:26] <navrac-2E0VKK> yeah like tweets are so important and add so much - I'd rather watch a live updating radar altimeter
[15:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD "Do you see anything that might explain how to levititate and destroy rocks with our minds? People back home keep asking."
[15:28] <navrac-2E0VKK> I'm betting without the thruster its going to bounce off again.
[15:29] <lz1dev> Stephan Ulamec: The touchdown window has now opened, so the lander is prepared for any moment to be on the ground. But 36 min to nominal TD
[15:30] <fsphil> yea that's a worry
[15:30] <fsphil> though I guess they don't lose anything by trying anyway
[15:30] <navrac-2E0VKK> I keep expecting to see one of the control room screens with fldigi on it.
[15:31] <navrac-2E0VKK> Frankly hitting it at all is hugely impressive
[15:31] <Lunar_Lander> "Have we landed on a comet? ..." xD
[15:32] <navrac-2E0VKK> is nominal TD including the delay?
[15:33] <fsphil> this guy might kick it off again: http://i.imgur.com/1sz4fJo.jpg
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 16:02 is when the signal reaches earth
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 23-24minutes flight time for signal
[15:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 030x04 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=0x04
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[15:37] <fsphil> hehe, Whales are calm at least
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[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD the xkcd update
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> "destroying the comet" "No one tries to do that" "But I secured you all the funding!!!"
[15:41] <navrac-2E0VKK> yep - on the live feed the sounds cut and now anxious peering at screens
[15:46] <adamgreig> the live stream has ended apparently
[15:46] <UpuWork> I'm still watching something
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE_> running here OK
[15:47] <WillDWork> has it disappeared into a hole via a horrible roll down a hill yet? still running here
[15:47] <adamgreig> on http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding ?
[15:47] <UpuWork> http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
[15:47] <UpuWork> yep
[15:47] <adamgreig> pff "The live event has ended but you can continue watching in DVR mode as long as you please."
[15:47] <Rebounder> they don't look too happy
[15:48] <mattbrejza> 20mins still
[15:49] <Rebounder> aah
[15:49] Nick change: Lunar_Lander -> Comet_Lander
[15:49] <WillDWork> mission control: nervous
[15:49] <Rebounder> they could hade added a few comments on the stream..
[15:50] <fsphil> esa are getting better at this. they used to be awful at media presentations
[15:50] <lz1dev> did you know listen to all the speeches
[15:50] <Laurenceb> anyone here used the gopro 30pin header?
[15:50] <lz1dev> silent is better
[15:50] <Laurenceb> i can use it to turn on the camera, but not to turn it off
[15:51] <Rebounder> fsphil: i rememmber days when you had to apply two months ahead to _download_ video
[15:52] <fsphil> whoa
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[15:53] <SA6BSS-Mike> 8min to Touch down
[15:55] <mattbrejza> touchdown or until we hear about touchdown?
[15:55] <fsphil> hear about it I think
[15:57] <WillDWork> irc, xkcd, bbc stream, esa livestream, twitterr - slowly going a bit mental here
[15:57] <lz1dev> webcast died?
[15:57] <fsphil> still good here
[15:57] <UpuWork> yep
[15:58] <lz1dev> RT @novapbs: Signal is just now passing by Mars on its way to Earth, says Phil Plait over at @BadAstronomer & @Slate. #CometLanding
[15:58] <lz1dev> good timing
[15:58] <Comet_Lander> the guy is grinning while talking
[16:00] <adamgreig> having to guess everything from their facial expressions is tiring
[16:00] <UpuWork> I'm just watching http://xkcd1446.org/
[16:00] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[16:00] <UpuWork> lol AAAAAAAAAA
[16:00] <UpuWork> even the whales now
[16:01] <lz1dev> do harpons work on comments
[16:01] <lz1dev> good question
[16:02] <fsphil> yes, AAAAAAAAAA indeed
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> wait for it .....
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[16:02] <mattbrejza> livestream is being crappy
[16:02] <adamgreig> yea :(
[16:02] Action: fsphil whistles the H2G2 tune
[16:02] <lz1dev> does it even work for you?
[16:02] <arko> woah
[16:02] <adamgreig> it's only like 480k watchers too
[16:02] <UpuWork> working again nowq
[16:02] <arko> have i missed it
[16:02] <UpuWork> nope
[16:02] <adamgreig> you'd think they could manage this
[16:02] <arko> i drove like a madman
[16:03] <arko> to get to class
[16:03] <UpuWork> 5 mins arko
[16:03] <arko> DUDE
[16:03] <arko> LINK ME
[16:03] <fsphil> yea arko, they found whales
[16:03] <mattbrejza> http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
[16:03] <arko> haha
[16:03] <fsphil> WHALES ON A COMET
[16:03] <mattbrejza> http://xkcd.com/1446/
[16:03] <staylo> live update: everyone is still looking highly pensive
[16:03] <UpuWork> the whales are screaming
[16:03] <arko> thanks mattbrejza :D
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE_> now they really get nervous its late
[16:03] <mattbrejza> as it stands xkcd is going a better job than livestrram
[16:03] <WillDWork> AAAAAA
[16:03] <edmoore> increased angle of leaning
[16:03] <UpuWork> lol very much so
[16:03] <fsphil> yay!
[16:03] <edmoore> hooray
[16:03] <WillDWork> yay
[16:03] <UpuWork> yay
[16:04] <fsphil> whoa did it work?
[16:04] <mattbrejza> what happened?
[16:04] <mattbrejza> its stopped
[16:04] <UpuWork> well lots of people cheering
[16:04] <fsphil> something wonderful
[16:04] <mattbrejza> F5F5F5F5F5F5
[16:04] <mattbrejza> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/science-environment-29985988 non shit stream
[16:04] <lz1dev> i wonder how the servers are filling
[16:04] <Comet_Lander> http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2
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[16:05] <lz1dev> and feeling as well i guess
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[16:05] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: hah, wish I was on that stream a few minutes ago
[16:05] <fsphil> stream just died on me
[16:05] <WillDWork> stream a bit flakey
[16:05] <mattbrejza> we still dont know what its fate is
[16:05] <mattbrejza> 1385 guys!
[16:06] <mattbrejza> 'if had bounced we would have lost it'
[16:06] <staylo> anyone got stream back?
[16:06] <mattbrejza> 'telemetry on the way'
[16:06] <UpuWork> yep
[16:06] <UpuWork> and the stream died
[16:06] <fsphil> bbc stream working fine
[16:06] <fsphil> esa one is dead
[16:06] <lz1dev> so did it land
[16:06] <lz1dev> or did it bounce
[16:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> stop/start gets it going for me
[16:06] <staylo> everyone was just looking pensive again, but I'm beginning to think that's just normal procedure
[16:06] <lz1dev> ?
[16:06] <Steffanx> esa one is perfectly fine
[16:06] <UpuWork> good old BBC
[16:06] <daveake> esa one working here
[16:07] <UpuWork> worth very penny just for news.bbc.co.uk
[16:07] <mattbrejza> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/science-environment-29985988 <- better stream
[16:07] <fsphil> yay license fee
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> something coming
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[16:08] <mattbrejza> she looks happy
[16:08] <fsphil> well organised :)
[16:09] <fsphil> that sounds good
[16:09] <daveake> it does
[16:09] <mattbrejza> engineers for you
[16:09] <daveake> so now that they've changed the comet's orbit, how many years before it crashes into Earth and destoys civilisation? :p
[16:09] <UpuWork> lol
[16:10] <navrac-2E0VKK> always the cheerful one eh dave..
[16:10] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[16:10] <daveake> </Daily_Mail>
[16:10] <lz1dev> :D
[16:11] <fsphil> how many minutes before ESA get suid by an Astrologer
[16:11] <Comet_Lander> french comedy xD
[16:12] <Comet_Lander> "The problem of Success is that it looks easy"
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[16:13] <arko> what happen!?
[16:13] <mattbrejza> harpoons fired, landing gear deployed, sending back data
[16:13] <BrainDamage> apparently worked and telemetry seems ok
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE_> noe its the Politicians turn
[16:14] <fsphil> however comet may not break apart and doom mankind
[16:14] <fsphil> now*
[16:15] <adamgreig> weird, xkcd1446.org is missing a frame
[16:15] <adamgreig> i had "time until news of landing: [now]" and then "[holding breath]" all over earth
[16:15] <adamgreig> but it's gone ;o
[16:15] <fsphil> last update, "Do harpoon work on comets: YES"
[16:15] <mattbrejza> whales are calm again
[16:16] <daveake> but the petunias are livid
[16:16] <daveake> xkcd updated
[16:16] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[16:16] <WillDWork> whales are still calm
[16:18] <arko> \o/ wooooooooo!!!!
[16:18] <arko> damn
[16:18] <arko> thats crazy
[16:18] <daveake> Take that U S A :p
[16:18] <fsphil> Titan, now a comet
[16:18] <arko> \o/ we will!
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[16:18] <fsphil> ESA don't land often, but when they do it's awesome
[16:18] <daveake> :)
[16:18] <arko> im really happy for you guys :)
[16:18] <arko> humans are awesome
[16:18] <mattbrejza> next stop, that water moon?
[16:18] <arko> wait a sec, usa worked on this too no?
[16:18] <fsphil> don't think there are any more planned
[16:19] <arko> also, europe worked on curiosity
[16:19] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[16:19] <fsphil> well there's the exomars rover, but that's probably tangled up in red tape
[16:19] <mattbrejza> arko: the usa built hte thruster ontop of philae ;)
[16:19] <arko> yay humans! you suck dolphins!
[16:19] <adamgreig> livestream is getting pretty dull now :P
[16:19] <fsphil> the one that didn't work? :)
[16:19] <jonsowman> we don't suck dolphins
[16:19] <arko> hahaha
[16:19] <fsphil> lol
[16:19] <fsphil> not all of us
[16:19] <arko> jonsowman: brilliant
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> waiting for landing pictures
[16:20] <arko> woah the thrusters didnt work?
[16:20] <mattbrejza> well i guess they might have worked, just initially a sensor was busted
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> de-bounce thruster didn't
[16:20] <arko> aw
[16:20] <fsphil> yea they took a chance and landed without them
[16:20] <arko> wow
[16:20] <arko> thats crazy
[16:20] <arko> regardless
[16:20] <fsphil> so much talking
[16:21] <LazyLeopard> I think it was a bit "Oh well, too late to fix them now." ;)
[16:21] <arko> congrats to the ESA, hope this means more missions for the future
[16:21] <fsphil> ESA in a nutshell
[16:21] <arko> lol
[16:22] <mattbrejza> i hope they have a landing video
[16:22] <arko> omg yes
[16:22] <arko> :D
[16:22] <fsphil> haha yea
[16:22] <fsphil> would be cool to see the harpoons working
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[16:22] <arko> someone tell this man to stop babbling and to show up some pictures
[16:22] <fsphil> whoever came up with that idea was nuts, in a good way
[16:22] <arko> when did the harpoon latch?
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> there is a video of the harpoons working somewhere
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[16:23] <fsphil> they're nasty looking things
[16:23] <Comet_Lander> arko, first image expected at L+2 h
[16:23] <fsphil> no wonder the whales where panicing
[16:23] <arko> oh cool
[16:24] <arko> anyone know the frequency? will it be on ssdv.habhub.org? :P
[16:24] <fsphil> pjm has it sorted :)
[16:24] <daveake> Quick someone write a script
[16:24] <arko> haha i bet
[16:25] <arko> did Philae file a flight doc?
[16:27] <fsphil> a whole other room for people to talk in
[16:27] <fsphil> the batteries will have run out before they finish
[16:28] <arko> hahaha
[16:28] <arko> how long is it expected to live?
[16:29] <mattbrejza> well things might get interesting when it goes near the sun
[16:29] <mattbrejza> but the comet itself is supposed to survive the trip i think
[16:29] <arko> toasty
[16:29] <mattbrejza> not sure about a lander holding on to the surface with its fingernails
[16:30] <Comet_Lander> thanks to JPL I was able to watch the livestream, so thanks arko
[16:30] <arko> lol
[16:30] <arko> i didnt make the stream :P
[16:30] <Comet_Lander> xD yea
[16:30] <Comet_Lander> anyways
[16:30] <Comet_Lander> now you saw some germans talking into microphones :D
[16:30] <fsphil> ja
[16:30] <fsphil> they're still at it
[16:31] <Comet_Lander> ah
[16:31] <Comet_Lander> ustream just cut out with a title card
[16:32] <fsphil> wonder how far the nearest rock was
[16:35] <navrac-2E0VKK> they should ban politicians - all claiming its due to <insert nation here> 's scientists and politicians
[16:35] <arko> let the engineers speak!
[16:36] <navrac-2E0VKK> yep
[16:36] <arko> rather, let them drink
[16:36] <arko> party time
[16:36] <arko> unless they have work to do
[16:36] <fsphil> they possibly already are :)
[16:37] <x-f> Philae will work automatically first six hours anyway
[16:38] <arko> PARTAYYYYY
[16:40] <Comet_Lander> :)
[16:41] <fsphil> oh it's the lander that has the microphone
[16:41] <Comet_Lander> just read that the audience seems to be quite tense because of the politics on the podium
[16:41] <mattbrejza> s/tense/bored/ ?
[16:42] <fsphil> wasn't a sensor failure
[16:42] <x-f> "anchors didn't shoot" :|
[16:42] <navrac-2E0VKK> oops anchor fail
[16:42] <fsphil> oh dear
[16:42] <Comet_Lander> more like bugged
[16:42] <x-f> i hope at least the screws worked
[16:43] <mattbrejza> i thought it had harpoons and screws?
[16:43] <mattbrejza> what are the anchors?
[16:43] <x-f> he said anchors
[16:43] <navrac-2E0VKK> anchors=harpoons I think
[16:43] <adamgreig> guess xkcd jumped the gun a little
[16:43] <adamgreig> "Comet 67P: Harpooned" eh
[16:43] <fsphil> haha
[16:44] <arko> wait what
[16:44] <daveake> "Anchors didnt' shoot"
[16:44] <mattbrejza> but they said the harpoons had fired and then been reeled in
[16:45] <Comet_Lander> yea that was strange
[16:45] <navrac-2E0VKK> I'm sure they said that too
[16:45] <Myself> Who has the best live blog thing that I can follow in text? I don't want to listen to another stream for hours.
[16:45] <fsphil> they definitly said that
[16:45] <mattbrejza> Myself: twitter
[16:45] <mattbrejza> or xkcd
[16:45] <Myself> hehe, ok :)
[16:45] <daveake> and the thruster thing wasn't a sensor issue
[16:45] <BrainDamage> http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2014-11-12/535991_rozeta-novo04foto-reuters_ff.jpg apparently first pic
[16:45] <arko> https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/532574834031857664
[16:46] <arko> BrainDamage: i dont think thats it
[16:46] <adamgreig> daveake: as in, was actually an issue with the thruster, or..?
[16:46] <Comet_Lander> yea seems like the thruster arming actually didn't work
[16:47] <arko> wait did it land or not?
[16:47] <Comet_Lander> they said it could be the faulty p transducer or a real failure
[16:47] <daveake> yes thruster didn't fire
[16:47] <fsphil> it's landed but moving about
[16:47] <adamgreig> bbc livestream is getting a bit confused
[16:47] <fsphil> possibly moving about*
[16:47] <adamgreig> just looping the happy people from earlier
[16:47] <fsphil> so not secured to the surface
[16:47] <lz1dev> Thrusters did not ignite. Anchors did not shoot. An update from Cologne says lander is moving.
[16:47] <lz1dev> :(
[16:47] <arko> wont the harpoon hold it in place?
[16:47] <adamgreig> "this broadcast will resume shortly"
[16:47] <adamgreig> uh oh
[16:48] <arko> oh no
[16:48] <fsphil> AAAAAAAAA
[16:48] <talsit_roam> which stream are you guys watching?
[16:48] <mattbrejza> http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
[16:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> works for me
[16:48] <daveake> http://rosetta.esa.int/
[16:48] <Geoff-G8DHE_> replaying highlights
[16:48] <fsphil> xkcd has been fixed
[16:48] <daveake> but that's stopped for me
[16:48] <arko> http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2
[16:49] <arko> blah
[16:49] <arko> nvm
[16:49] <fsphil> now I'm more nervous
[16:49] <daveake> How come mankind can land on comets but can't make streams that stay working?
[16:49] <mattbrejza> 'More analysis of @Philae2014 telemetry indicates harpoons did not fire as 1st thought. Lander in gr8 shape. Team looking at refire options'
[16:49] <si289> http://rosetta.esa.int/ stream is still working?
[16:50] <Myself> daveake: Different teams responsible for spacecraft and web. :)
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[16:50] <fsphil> re-firing them would be risky
[16:50] <fsphil> could just throw it off the surface
[16:50] <daveake> yeah
[16:50] <lz1dev> resident expert on comet landings, fsphil
[16:50] <fsphil> maybe that's what happened
[16:50] <lz1dev> :)
[16:50] <arko> question, is the harpoon different from the anchor?
[16:51] <lz1dev> anchor you drop
[16:51] <lz1dev> harpoon you fire
[16:51] <mattbrejza> perhaps they should have watched robot wars, it needs a self righting mechanism
[16:51] <lz1dev> i gues
[16:51] <fsphil> I was in a shop called Comet once. so I'm totally an expert
[16:51] <Myself> I scrubbed my toilet with Comet..
[16:51] <arko> why would it fly off the surface if the harpoon has it held in place?
[16:51] <lz1dev> trust from firing them
[16:51] <Comet_Lander> Robot Wars was awesome
[16:52] <lz1dev> if tehy don't latch
[16:52] <lz1dev> its bad
[16:52] <fsphil> or maybe only one latched
[16:52] <mattbrejza> according to xkcd it needed to land with 2+ legs for the harpoons to fire
[16:52] <lz1dev> keep in mind that one way communication takes 28 minutes :D
[16:53] <Comet_Lander> maybe bruce willis can fly there to fix it?
[16:53] <fsphil> chris lintott "everyone I talk to seems confident ice screws are in. gives me some confidence!"
[16:53] <daveake> Chris Lintott: "Everyone I talk to seems confident ice screws are in. Gives me some confidence! "
[16:53] <daveake> too slow
[16:53] <arko> lol
[16:53] <daveake> /and/ I did Caps
[16:53] <fsphil> that's why you where too slow :)
[16:54] <lz1dev> More analysis of @Philae2014 telemetry indicates harpoons did not fire as 1st thought. Lander in gr8 shape. Team looking at refire options. It looks like @Philae2014 made a fairly gentle touch down on #67P based on amount of landing gear damping #CometLanding (esaoperation via Twitter)
[16:54] <daveake> The history does not lie :)
[16:54] <lz1dev> http://www.reddit.com/live/tw0cnch7nxjx/
[16:54] <adamgreig> I saw fsphil as first :P
[16:54] <lz1dev> live blog tihngy btw
[16:55] <fsphil> 20 minutes until home time here and I can't think about work
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[17:00] <arko> how could it land if the harpoon didnt fire?
[17:01] <adamgreig> comet surface was soft
[17:01] <adamgreig> landing gear had damping
[17:01] <adamgreig> it impacted into the comet and stayed there
[17:01] <navrac-2E0VKK> they measured how much the leg suspension moved - so they know it touched down
[17:01] <Comet_Lander> https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/532578862086250497
[17:01] <arko> doesn't it fire the harpoon from far away and reel itself in?
[17:02] <SA6BSS-Mike> The gravity pull is about 1gram
[17:02] <navrac-2E0VKK> no - once landed it fires the harpoons and thruster
[17:02] <arko> ohhh
[17:02] <Myself> that's more gravity than I'd expect, tbh. Coments are tiny :)
[17:03] <staylo> So what's the worst case at this point? I'm having a hard time working it out.
[17:03] <adamgreig> it could be currently sliding across the surface and then fall off
[17:03] <adamgreig> that'd suck
[17:04] <staylo> sliding towards what?
[17:04] <adamgreig> the edge :P
[17:04] <fsphil> it's on the small body, it could fall of it
[17:04] <adamgreig> the escape velocity of a comet is not high
[17:04] <Myself> and then go into a very slow orbit around the comet?
[17:04] <fsphil> possibly yea
[17:04] <navrac-2E0VKK> ESOC, has just confirmed that the Philae harpoons did fire but it is not known whether they are secure or not.
[17:04] <adamgreig> not sure it would orbit the comet exactly
[17:04] <fsphil> sort of wander about near it
[17:05] <adamgreig> well more like just continue on its own solar orbit that slowly leads it away
[17:05] <fsphil> wonder if the impact released some gas
[17:05] <fsphil> this reminds me of the gravity flash game
[17:05] <fsphil> trying to get two small objects to orbit eachother
[17:05] <staylo> but if it's on the surface now and doesn't have any moving parts to speak of, where's the acceleration going to come from?
[17:05] <fsphil> the comet is rotating
[17:06] <adamgreig> and it has an array of moving parts, including the harpoons, the thruster, the ice drills... :P
[17:06] <adamgreig> but yea also it might have hit the comet and been sliding across it since hitting
[17:06] <fsphil> we'll know from the images
[17:06] <fsphil> that would also be cool
[17:06] <fsphil> assuming it eventually stops
[17:06] <adamgreig> cool until it slides right off, then very sad
[17:06] <adamgreig> yea if it stopped that'd be sick
[17:06] <LazyLeopard> Skate-boarding on a comet? ;)
[17:07] <adamgreig> wonder how long it can cling on if none of the harpoons or ice drills work
[17:07] <navrac-2E0VKK> i wonder if its already bouncing given the comms link keeps going off and coming on again
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[17:17] <Comet_Lander> ice drills seem OK https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/532582648481591296
[17:18] <mattbrejza> i wouldnt call that 'seem ok'
[17:18] <mattbrejza> '... i assume'
[17:20] <lz1dev> real science
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[17:22] <adamgreig> "have we landed on a comet?: yes, at least once"
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[17:24] <si289> i want their work chairs...
[17:25] <staylo> Hmm, rotational period is fairly slow (12h 36m)
[17:25] <arko> lol
[17:25] <x-f> Deep Impact probe doesn't count as landing on a comet
[17:26] <arko> nah
[17:26] <arko> i could do that in kerbal pretty easily
[17:26] <arko> landing it much harder
[17:27] <arko> at least Phalie didnt become Deep Impact 2: Electric Boogalo
[17:27] <arko> @Philae2014 two harpoons did NOT fire. Lander fixed by icescrews only, problematic for chemical investigations that require drilling SD2.
[17:27] <arko> wonder if the software onboard can be modified
[17:29] <mattbrejza> im sure they could ask it to fire again
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[17:39] <arko> https://twitter.com/SPACEFLIGHT101/status/532587364011749376
[17:39] <arko> descent photo!
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[17:41] <mattbrejza> :D
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[17:55] <MarkIreland> T3l3.Ph0n3@
[17:55] <MarkIreland> hello
[17:55] <MarkIreland> nice Comet_Lander lol
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[18:08] <fsphil> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Qoq99IcAMSMpl.png:large
[18:09] <fsphil> not sure if this is before or after landing
[18:10] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03EDUPIC8 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=EDUPIC8
[18:12] <fsphil> before apparently
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[18:16] <LeoBodnar> i need a good monochrome CRT monitor to appreciate theseimages
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[18:25] <Comet_Lander> oh he left again
[18:25] <Comet_Lander> xkcd "I did it."
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[18:28] <fsphil> scientists: [wine]
[18:29] <arko> hahaha
[18:30] <Comet_Lander> xD
[18:30] <Comet_Lander> no imaging from the surface yet as I heard
[18:30] <daveake> Just saw this - Philae not stable => data downlinking slower than expected & solar panels poorly lit.
[18:31] <Comet_Lander> :(
[18:32] <fsphil> yea not good
[18:32] <fsphil> https://twitter.com/nbatalha/status/532597559584256001/photo/1
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[18:32] <DL7AD> evening
[18:32] <DL7AD> !hysplit B-64
[18:32] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141112-16_178693_B64.gif
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[18:39] <mattbrejza> !whereis b-64
[18:39] <SpacenearUS> 03mattbrejza: 03B-64 is over 03Mediterranean Sea, Western Basin 10(38.5743,6.4893) at 0312590 meters
[18:41] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/ 10% off today
[18:42] <fsphil> handy
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[18:56] <mattltm> Does anyone have a working link for the ESA live stream at 19:00?
[18:56] <PE0SAT> http://new.livestream.com/ESA/cometlanding
[18:56] <mattltm> ta :)
[18:56] <gonzo_> ta++
[18:56] <PE0SAT> And 19:00 is postphoned to 20:00
[18:57] <PE0SAT> CEST
[18:57] <mattltm> Ah, great. Thanks.
[18:57] <Comet_Lander> hi mattltm :)
[18:57] <mattltm> so 19:00 UTC?
[18:57] <PE0SAT> mattltm: Yes
[18:57] <Comet_Lander> it's Lunar_Lander, just renamed for the day
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[18:59] <mattltm> Feed keeps disconnecting for me :(
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[19:03] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: not for dev kits. aww
[19:03] <SpeedEvil> or test equipment or pis
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[19:04] <malltml-alt> Has it started yet? Not sure if my player is working :(
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[19:07] <fsphil> not yet
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> last zeros in "19:00" are actually zeros and wildcard chars
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> +not
[19:09] <LeoBodnar> comet lander tossers
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[19:10] <malltml-alt> lol. got it :)
[19:10] <fsphil> started now
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[19:47] <gurgalof> the wait for everything...
[19:47] <gurgalof> 1300UTC tomorrow
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[20:12] <YO9GJX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtHh1R_4bhk&list=UUuyfH4OXssgUAsf3KnrgJcA
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[20:27] <Babs_> ping upu
[20:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> arko, the harpoons being tested are at 42 minutes on the above youtube link
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[20:33] <Babs_> Hey everyone, I wonder whether anyone can help - what size resistors do people typically put between the ublox chip and the hardware serial port on the atmega to enable the atmega to still be programmed using an ftdi chip?
[20:33] <Babs_> i tried 10k and it programs fine but then won't process the signal from the ublox
[20:34] <Babs_> and i thinking it is probably because the voltage drop across the 10k resistor is meaning that the hi/lo signal isn't of sufficient voltage to register
[20:34] <Babs_> is there a way to calculate what resistor one needs?
[20:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> That feels a bit high 2k2 or 3k3 I would have thought, but no experince with those devices.
[20:34] <Babs_> or is it just a case of experimenting from 0-10k (in my case) until you find what one works?
[20:35] <Geoff-G8DHE_> to calculate you need to know the output and input loads from the devices.
[20:35] <Babs_> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE
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[20:35] <Babs_> makes sense. will check the datasheet
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[20:44] <Upu> hey baba
[20:44] <Upu> uh
[20:44] <Upu> 1k works
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[20:47] <Babs_> computer shut down - did i miss anything?
[20:47] <Upu> 1k should do
[20:48] <Babs_> cheers upu - your en pin kept low and then kept high in the program does the job, but i reckon i would use physic in addition to your breakout board
[20:48] <Upu> oh yeah if you're programming with the 5V board just keep EN low on program
[20:49] <Babs_> the pullups are then overkill but can't do any harm right?
[20:51] <Upu> just more for me to place
[20:51] <Upu> and not needed :)
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[21:50] <lz1dev> Philae possibly upside down. There is currently not enough data available to be certain, said Stephan Ulamec. Tomorrow more information
[21:50] <lz1dev> :{
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[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Oops, I jinxed it
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/11/12/rosetta-and-philae-separation-confirmed/#comment-178456
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[22:39] <Laurenceb_> lol people are porting chibios to ESP8266
[22:40] <mattbrejza> this is the wifi chip thats probably really crappy?
[22:40] <Laurenceb_> yes
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> probably going to port Nuttx next
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> really crappy for $3 with wifi, several GPIO and ADC
[22:42] <mattbrejza> well for £3 'kinda works' is probably pretty good
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> For 3 quid, you can have a thing that is programmable, runs your own code, and does wifi,programmable with gcc.
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> that's damn good
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[22:48] <mattbrejza> oh thats what Laurenceb ment by port chibios
[22:48] <mattbrejza> i thought orignally he ment just write a driver
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[22:52] <Comet_Lander> good night
[22:52] <craag> gn!
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[23:30] <BeaverOne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TznaDRRC_lw
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> can anyone here know how to find a short line of text in a large text file?
[23:35] <mattbrejza> grep?
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> erm i should have phrased that better
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> i want to find all lines that are <16 characters long
[23:35] <mattbrejza> fairly sure you could regex it
[23:36] <adamgreig> grep -E "^.{,16}$" file.txt
[23:36] <adamgreig> or something like that?
[23:36] <adamgreig> fun fact: grep is named after the vim command :g/re/p
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> heh
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> does that find everything less than 16 characters?
[23:37] <adamgreig> <=
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> or equal to 16?
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> ok
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[23:37] <adamgreig> change the 16 for a 15 for strict inequality
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> nothing found, yet my processing code gives an error
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[23:38] <adamgreig> oh missing a '1' in there
[23:39] <Laurenceb_> is that line ending sensitive?
[23:39] <adamgreig> grep -E "^.{1,16}$" file.txt
[23:39] <adamgreig> I guess 0 actually
[23:39] <Laurenceb_> ah found it thanks
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> someone is using a mac and windows
[23:40] <adamgreig> lol
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> character corruption in the file
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> thanks
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[23:53] <LeoBodnar> awk 'length()<16{print}'
[23:54] <LeoBodnar> ^^ [23:35] <Laurenceb_> i want to find all lines that are <16 characters long
[23:54] <adamgreig> grep one is shorter >_>
[23:54] <Laurenceb_> heh
[23:54] <Laurenceb_> how can i output as hex?
[23:55] <adamgreig> in printf, \x
[23:55] <adamgreig> what do you mean
[23:56] <Laurenceb_> i want to see the matching lines as hex in the terminal
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