highaltitude.log.20141108

[00:12] <Laurenceb__> wow i never new there was a railway to Hokkaido
[00:13] <Laurenceb__> thats an impressive tunnel
[00:14] <Laurenceb__> heh spice plots
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[00:42] <SpeedEvil> Is there significant jet-stream activity at 20km?
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[01:08] <Crash-1> LeoBodnar: B-64 is quite the accomplishment. simply amazing.
[01:09] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5ARG-1
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[01:20] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OSIRIS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OSIRIS
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[01:25] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ICARUS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ICARUS
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[01:33] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5ARG-2
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[01:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-2 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5ARG-2
[01:34] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03OSIRIS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=OSIRIS
[01:37] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03ICARUS - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=ICARUS
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[04:21] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03RA4NHY after 038 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=RA4NHY
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[07:52] <luteijn> !flights
[07:52] <SpacenearUS> 03luteijn: Current flights: 03HA90MRC 10(70a5), 03MM 10(7f00), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 2 10(9c42), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 1 10(1990), 03UKRHAB-2 10(e430), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
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[08:18] <ok1cdj> gm all
[08:20] <mclane_> hello
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[08:29] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03HA90MRC/AM after 0318 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=HA90MRC%2FAM
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[09:01] <Rebounder> morrn!
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[09:10] <SA6BSS> halloj!
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[09:20] <DL7AD_mobile> Morning
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[09:43] <G8TMV> I'm trying to build dl_fldigi on a Debian system, it's barfing because it can't find jsonspp.h - which seems to mean I'm missing the habitat-cpp-connector
[09:43] <G8TMV> where can I find that as a simple download please
[09:44] <G8TMV> thats jsoncpp.h of course
[09:45] <mfa298> G8TMV: if you checked out the code from git you'll need the git submodule bits
[09:45] <G8TMV> I didn't I downloaded the source zip
[09:46] <G8TMV> from http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[09:47] <mfa298> I've not used that for a long time
[09:47] <G8TMV> It seems to me that https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/archive/DL3.1.zip should really include the habitat-cpp-connector
[09:47] <mfa298> you may be better using the ubuntu instructions, probably http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu#building_stable_version_on_ubuntu_1404
[09:48] <G8TMV> I'm running Debian!!
[09:48] <G8TMV> NOT Ubuntu
[09:49] <mfa298> the instructions should be very similar
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[09:49] <G8TMV> Ah, okay - they appear to be build-from-source instructions not build-by-package instructions
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[09:51] <mfa298> the zip file is build from source as well but I think may be missing some of the bits that are needed
[09:51] <mfa298> part of the build process uses the git version which may not exist in the zip file
[09:53] <G8TMV> yeash, the .zip is def missing the habitat-cpp-connecto
[09:53] <mfa298> looks like you could use the zip file and continue from the git submodule init
[09:54] <mfa298> but I think the binaries it builds will always warn you that the version is out of date (when it's the current one)
[09:55] Action: G8TMV nods - has gone the git route for now
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[09:56] <mfa298> the git clone + git checkout should get the same as the zip file but with the git metadata included
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[09:59] <G8TMV> right, looks like it's building now
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[10:30] <G8TMV> mfa298: thanks for your help - it appears to be running okay and I've appeared on the tracker
[10:31] <mfa298> excellent
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[10:38] <RocketBoy> boy its raining here
[10:38] <RocketBoy> gonna go down as my rainiest launch
[10:39] <db_g6gzh> a bit different to last week then!
[10:39] <G8TMV> RocketBoy: is this Mark's launch?
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[10:41] <G8TMV> Hmm... who is "VORTEX_Base" on the tracker? He appears to be in the sea off the Essex coast
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[10:42] <RocketBoy> G8TMV: yep
[10:42] <G8TMV> RocketBoy: thanks - tell him Colin is tracking if you get a spare moment
[10:42] <RocketBoy> will do
[10:43] <RocketBoy> into tech issues at the mo
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[10:47] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03MM - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=MM
[10:48] <G8TMV> Ah, he's on the map
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !dial mm
[10:49] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Latest dials for 03MM 10(7f00): 03434.66 MHz
[10:53] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ARG-1 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5ARG-1
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[10:58] <G8TMV> Geoff-G8DHE-M: is the !dial command new? where does it get it's data?
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[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> From the input from the dl-fldig clients tracking
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !wiki robot
[11:00] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: No results for your query
[11:00] <G8TMV> ah, assuming they have cat working to the radio then I assume
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> yes you will see some rubbish as well at times
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[11:01] <mikestir> works with fcd as well doesn't it?
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !wiki SpacenearUS robot
[11:01] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: No results for your query
[11:01] <G8TMV> does it report dial or actual xmit freq for the tones?
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> it reports what dl-fldigi sees as center frequency
[11:01] <RocketBoy> is it on the map (poor internet here)
[11:01] <G8TMV> RocketBoy: yes
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yes its on the map
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> there is a help page on the wiki for the robot
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> lots of new commands
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flights
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Current flights: 03HA90MRC 10(70a5), 03MM 10(7f00), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 2 10(9c42), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 1 10(1990), 03UKRHAB-2 10(e430), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ! flight mm
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !flight mm
[11:02] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Flight 10(7f00): 03MM 10(1 payload) - Launch date 03Today at 10:00 from 03Worcestershire, UK 10(52.08908,-2.13419)
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !payload mm
[11:03] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Payload 03MM 10(7f00) 03$$MM - 03Primary - 03434.651 MHz USB 03RTTY 50/425Hz ASCII-7 none 2
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !wiki spacenearus_irc_bot
[11:04] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Wiki page 03spacenearus_irc_bot - 12http://ukhas.org.uk/spacenearus_irc_bot
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[11:04] <G8TMV> thanks, I've bookmarked that
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[11:05] <Bill> Hi anyone
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning
[11:05] Nick change: Bill -> Guest86022
[11:06] <Guest86022> nervously watching a flight lol
[11:07] <LazyLeopard> Meh. My dl_fldigi/hamlib/FT-817 link is FUBARed...
[11:07] <joeman> mmm
[11:07] <joeman> Anyone here had luck with HackHD cameras?
[11:07] <Guest86022> Fubared?
[11:08] <joeman> Just recovered HAB today...
[11:08] <joeman> and video is all over exposed :(
[11:08] <Guest86022> oh lol, sorry to hear that
[11:08] <Guest86022> I know its of no comfort but "it's all part of the learning"
[11:08] <joeman> not really sure what is so funny
[11:08] <joeman> yeah
[11:08] <craag> joeman: :(
[11:09] <joeman> got a lot more pics
[11:09] <joeman> could see popping of balloon
[11:09] <Guest86022> Was lol'ing at the term fubared
[11:09] <joeman> and a few things falling
[11:09] <joeman> yeah no probs
[11:09] <craag> long hike?
[11:09] <joeman> just been up since 4am
[11:09] <joeman> it was a crazy hike
[11:09] <G8TMV> Ah, MM appears to be going up
[11:09] <joeman> was meant to be back by 1pm
[11:09] <joeman> got back at 6pm
[11:09] <joeman> had about 8km hike in the middle of no where
[11:10] <joeman> was eventally found
[11:10] <joeman> up a 20m treee
[11:10] <Guest86022> Oh man...
[11:10] <joeman> saw was useless
[11:10] <LazyLeopard> FUBARed - there's so much wrong with it I'm not sure I have the spoons to start thinking about stirring it back into shape...
[11:10] <joeman> climbed it...well tried..and completely ripped my pants
[11:10] <joeman> so ended up thrown a rock tied to a rope
[11:10] <Guest86022> One of those days...
[11:10] <joeman> and basically just pulled it/broke it...to the ground
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> !dial mm
[11:11] <joeman> yes
[11:11] <SpacenearUS> 03Geoff-G8DHE-M: Latest dials for 03MM 10(7f00): 03434.66 MHz
[11:11] <Guest86022> And the rock hit the farmer's car?
[11:11] <Guest86022> ooooh there it is :D
[11:11] Action: joeman smirks
[11:11] <joeman> middle of no where
[11:12] <Guest86022> There we go, was saying it was going to end up in Easter Siberian Sea a couple of minutes ago!
[11:12] <craag> Good pics though?
[11:12] <Guest86022> Boston seems much more reasonable.
[11:12] <Guest86022> "all over exposed :("
[11:12] <joeman> yeah, ok for 640x480
[11:12] <Guest86022> Oh that's not too bad. :)
[11:12] <jcoxon> http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/11/07/2231255/nasa-pondering-15-million-stratospheric-airship-competition
[11:12] <joeman> http://leederville.net/hab/?p=428 - but nothing that good
[11:13] <joeman> don't get too excited :)
[11:13] <joeman> going to have a good rest
[11:13] <joeman> this was all very exhausting
[11:13] <joeman> ok, going to rest. night
[11:13] <craag> They look great for such small resolution
[11:14] <craag> gn!
[11:14] <Guest86022> Well, there was this pico satellite made by a university, which they actually launched.
[11:14] <Guest86022> The camera was over exposed too. They made (and paid) for something to orbit the earth, which couldnt get any decent pics.
[11:14] <Guest86022> At least you can have another crack at it. :)
[11:14] <Guest86022> Enjoy your sleep. :)
[11:15] <craag> jcoxon: Sounds like loon with a payload swap :P
[11:15] <jcoxon> indeed
[11:16] <jcoxon> have to be US sadly
[11:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Can B-64 design be scaled ?
[11:21] <craag> Yes - although envelope manufacturing becomes more difficult so you have to use a pumpkin or similar design
[11:21] <craag> Add an altitude control mechanism
[11:21] <craag> and you have loon :P
[11:21] <gonzo___> a university team balloon that failed? sounds familiar
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[11:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:24] <Guest86022> @gonzo - a university team satellite
[11:24] <Guest86022> hi
[11:24] <Guest86022> as in a proper orbiting satellite
[11:24] <Guest86022> http://www.raumfahrt.fh-aachen.de/compass-1/results.htm
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[11:25] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all habbers
[11:26] Nick change: palo -> Guest26788
[11:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> !flights
[11:26] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Current flights: 03HA90MRC 10(70a5), 03MM 10(7f00), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 2 10(9c42), 03Horus + LaunchBox Launch 1 10(1990), 03UKRHAB-2 10(e430), 03B-64 434.500 Contestia 64/1000 10(3afe)
[11:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> !dial HA90MRC
[11:28] <SpacenearUS> 03Herman-PB0AHX: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[11:31] <gonzo___> Guest86022, Ah, I read it as balloon, rather than sat
[11:32] <Guest86022> np
[11:35] <gonzo___> satellites tend to be under more scrutiny so have a good success rate. Student balloon projects less so
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[11:42] <daveake> http://hackaday.com/2014/11/07/hackaday-prize-finalist-a-network-of-satellite-ground-stations/
[11:44] <LeoBodnar> y u no call it SNOGS?
[11:44] <mattbrejza> wheres the arduino/rpi?
[11:44] <RocketBoy> its away
[11:45] <gonzo___> looks like MM has been released
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[11:45] <gonzo___> snap
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[11:45] <G8TMV> !dial mm
[11:45] <SpacenearUS> 03G8TMV: Latest dials for 03MM 10(7f00): 03434.65139 MHz, 434.66 MHz
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[11:48] <Guest86022> we have liftoff hype hype
[11:52] <G8TMV> !dial mm
[11:52] <SpacenearUS> 03G8TMV: Latest dials for 03MM 10(7f00): 03434.66 MHz, 434.6512 MHz
[11:53] Action: G8TMV can hear it - no decodes yet though
[11:54] <mikestir> bit wobbly!
[11:55] <db_g6gzh> it seems to sporadically jump off frequency which makes decoding a full sentence difficult
[11:55] <mikestir> I'm getting fairly close by widening the rx filter a lot
[11:55] <mikestir> and it's still quite weak here
[11:55] <db_g6gzh> that's what I've done too for the few that I decoded
[11:56] <db_g6gzh> but some of the jumps are still more than the filter bandwidth
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its coming down :-)
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> :-(
[11:56] <mikestir> hit the clouds?
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> not at that speed -2.2m/s
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[12:00] <Guest86022> LOL
[12:00] <Guest86022> oh my gosh
[12:00] <Guest86022> lost 700m
[12:01] <mikestir> looks terminal
[12:01] <G8TMV> yeah, def a failure of some sort
[12:02] <Guest86022> well, that was interesting :-)
[12:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> wow thats fast going down the MM
[12:03] <Guest86022> lol indeed
[12:03] <G8TMV> well, might be for the best - the prediction had it set for a wet landing
[12:04] <Guest86022> yeah, but hey ho.
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[12:07] <G8TMV> looks like thats all we are going to see of it
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[12:09] <Guest86022> indeed
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[12:10] <Guest86022> At least it landed in somewhere with a fantastic name as Tardebigge
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[12:17] <Guest86022> Well wasnt that exciting :D
[12:18] <Guest86022> The graph is a real nice parabola too :P
[12:21] Nick change: day- -> day
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[12:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> MM flight path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/MM_20141108/index.php?ind=0
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[12:38] <G8TMV> Ah, one more update from MM so they must be close
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[12:42] <Guest86022> Yeah they have found it up a tree
[12:42] <Guest86022> Awaiting pics, will post a link when I get them
[12:42] Action: G8TMV nods
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[12:43] <abc01> !dial b-66
[12:43] <SpacenearUS> 03abc01: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[12:44] <abc01> !dial mm
[12:44] <SpacenearUS> 03abc01: Latest dials for 03MM 10(7f00): none
[12:44] <Guest86022> well an approximate equation for the journey.... h=-0.00018433t(t-6180)
[12:45] <abc01> !dial b-64
[12:45] <SpacenearUS> 03abc01: Latest dials for 03B-64 10(3afe): none
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[12:46] Action: SpeedEvil ponders.
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> Why diddn't b64 fill in the last great circle hop over china
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> It should still be well within the 5 day log
[12:51] <PE2G> !hysplit B-64
[12:51] <SpacenearUS> 03PE2G: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141108-10_176641_B64.gif
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[13:00] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03LW2DTZ after 0318 hours silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=LW2DTZ
[13:04] <Guest86022> Guys this is quite interesting
[13:05] <G8TMV> ?
[13:05] <Guest86022> just uploading pic now
[13:07] <Guest86022> http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p534/Sparkypiper/mms_20141108_130507_zps7ce3fd3f.jpg
[13:07] <Guest86022> the balloon didnt pop 8o
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[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-64 Loop 8 current position http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/2014_Flights/B-64_20140712/index.php?ind=11
[13:10] <Guest86022> very strange
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[13:12] <G8TMV> Guest86022: indeed, difficult to tell how big the balloon is in that photo
[13:14] <Guest86022> Can't remember, believe it was 1kg.
[13:14] <Guest86022> Could've changed since I last said anything. :p
[13:14] <G8TMV> No, I mean how big the balloon diameter is in the photo
[13:15] <G8TMV> as a way of guessing how inflated it was
[13:15] <Guest86022> no idea
[13:15] <Guest86022> sorry.
[13:16] <Guest86022> Seems strange it would take off strongly, then suddenly fall.
[13:16] <Guest86022> Without any obvious damage to the balloon.
[13:16] <G8TMV> my guess would be that it leaked quite fast until the pressure dropped and then the leak resealed
[13:16] <G8TMV> probably in the neck area
[13:17] <G8TMV> Anyway - they seem to have done the sensible thing and ajourned to the local pub
[13:18] <Guest86022> yeah
[13:18] <G8TMV> I wonder if they realise the tracker is still running
[13:19] <Guest86022> just sent a text telling them.
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[13:23] <joltz> habhub keeps predicting B-64 crashing and it just keeps going hehe
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[13:24] <mattbrejza> it shouldnt actually be displaying a prediction anymore
[13:24] <mattbrejza> at a guess youve had that tab open for a while
[13:24] <joltz> i have. when was it supposed to stop
[13:25] <mattbrejza> yesturday the code was updated
[13:25] <joltz> oh. yeah since before then
[13:25] <joltz> about 4-5 days i've been watching it
[13:28] <joltz> it'd be nice to have a guess as to how close overhead it's going
[13:28] <mattbrejza> to where?
[13:28] <joltz> to plan out at least trying to receive it
[13:28] <joltz> phoenix, az, usa
[13:29] <joltz> it went very nearby last time before i knew of it at all
[13:29] <mattbrejza> well hypslit will give a good idea for a few days ahead
[13:29] <joltz> it doesn't take very long to blow across the pacific eh?
[13:30] <mattbrejza> not at this time of year apparently
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[14:02] <Ian_> I was due to go to Tardebigge late this morning, but called it off due to the ground conditions and the heavy rain.
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[14:24] <Oddstr13> oh, B-64 has been spotted again? awesome
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[14:28] <Laurenceb__> we need the Loon records
[14:28] <Laurenceb__> if it passes 121days it might be the longest flight since 1973
[14:29] <Oddstr13> awesome
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[14:29] <Oddstr13> how many days so far?
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[14:30] <Laurenceb__> 119 if its still up now
[14:31] <Oddstr13> so, you'll know once it has passed the north pacific, if it does?
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[14:43] <Laurenceb__> i cant find a records table for balloon flight duration
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[15:07] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03onebluejedi_chase - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=onebluejedi_chase
[15:11] <Maxell> No flights yet?
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[15:33] <qyx_> wiki has some
[15:33] <qyx_> although mainly manned
[15:37] <qyx_> hah "NASA is aiming for 100-day flights"
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[15:40] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=a866ad8815ebc846de7186702ac08ae4&tab=core&_cview=1
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> - HAAirships
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> 20km altitude (5kPa) - 5km loiter zone
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> I have failed to find a nice map of winds at 5km
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> err
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> 5kPa
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[15:43] <qyx_> NASA is considering up to $2.7M in prizes
[15:43] <qyx_> ts ts
[15:47] Nick change: MichaelC1 -> MichaelC
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> ^ - I have pondered mailing them asking about launch and landing
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> clearly - if you need to be able to launch through the jet stream, and maintain postion during that time - you need _way_ bigger motors.
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[15:52] <qyx_> ouch
[15:52] <qyx_> HA90MRC is going to hit snow
[15:53] <qyx_> there are peaks of 2500m asl
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[15:55] <qyx_> also it was nearly 2 hours ago when it passed Chopok peak
[15:55] <qyx_> it is about 2000 iirc
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[16:03] <qyx_> !dial HA90MRC
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> 03qyx_: Can't find a flight doc matching your query
[16:03] <qyx_> !dial HA90MRC/AM
[16:03] <SpacenearUS> 03qyx_: Latest dials for 03MRC 10(70a5): 0311.133442 MHz, 0.101 MHz, 437.65 MHz
[16:04] <SpacenearUS> New position from 03UKRHAB-2 after 03a day silence - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=UKRHAB-2
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[16:08] <ak4rp> 434.950
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[16:12] <qyx_> trying to find someone from that location
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[16:17] <Laurenceb__> hmm that prize looks exciting
[16:17] <Laurenceb__> 20 hours might be short enough for battery operation.. depending on expected windwpeed
[16:17] <ak4rp> qyx_: that would be great. 434.950 RTTY 100 baud 850 Hz
[16:17] <Laurenceb__> i suspect its going to depend on the time of year
[16:18] <Laurenceb__> also airships down scale down very well
[16:19] <edmoore> no they don't
[16:19] <edmoore> they scale down awfuly
[16:19] <edmoore> one of the nicest things i ever did from a design, integration and autopilot-writing pov was increasing the length of our blimp by 30%
[16:20] <edmoore> it increased the volume, and so lift, and so propulsion power available, by 1.3^3
[16:20] <edmoore> but the drag only by 1.3^2
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[16:21] <qyx_> that funsat-dw0307 receiver could wake up
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[16:23] <Laurenceb__> yeah its an r^2 versus r^3 problem
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[16:23] <Laurenceb__> still.. maybe worth doing the numbers to see if a practically sized airship could win the challenge
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[16:38] <Laurenceb__> a 100kg total mass airship with drag coefficient of 0.1 at 25km could fly at 70km/h for 20 hours under battery power
[16:38] <Laurenceb__> looks pretty impossible to win
[16:38] <Laurenceb__> unless you go for hindenburg 2
[16:40] <LeoBodnar> what sort of propulsion do you suggest at 20km+ altitude?
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> props have to be huge slowly rotating laminar monsters for any reasonable efficiency
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> or maybe compressed air powered
[16:41] <LeoBodnar> or rockets
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[16:43] <Laurenceb__> http://showcase.netins.net/web/wallio/MZW_12mo.gif
[16:43] <Laurenceb__> large spar and polythene sheet props operated off a geared brushless motor might work
[16:43] <Laurenceb__> ^ launch at the right time of year and its trivial :P
[16:43] <Laurenceb__> stupid challenge
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[16:45] <Laurenceb__> the airship would be ~30m long at 6m diameter
[16:45] <Laurenceb__> unbuildable too
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[17:05] <SpeedEvil> edmoore: same with pretty much any flying thing. Double the scale, double the range
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: do they actually give a mass limit?
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb__: I wonder if it's really aimed at some large vendor who happens to have gotten a fuel cell working
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[18:22] <SpacenearUS> 03DL7AD: HYSPLIT for 03B-64 - 12http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141108-16_182219_B64.gif
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[18:53] <day> how can i check which tuner my dvb-t card uses?
[18:55] <PE0SAT> day: what OS are using? Linux will show this when starting for example rtl_tcp
[18:56] <day> PE0SAT: yes linux. i see. R820T :)
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[19:00] <day> any recommendation on which UI I should use/ try first?
[19:00] <day> GUI*
[19:00] <mclane_> gqrx
[19:03] <day> i understand it correctly that rtl_tcp is the server, which has to run. I then connect to that server with the gui i choose, correct?
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[19:06] <PE0SAT> Yes day give gqrx a go
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[19:07] <day> im trying but i get some errors
[19:07] <PE0SAT> day: if you start rtl_tcp you connect with another application to that service, SDR# for example
[19:07] <mclane_> rtl_tcp does not need to run
[19:08] <mclane_> in order to run gqrx
[19:08] <PE0SAT> rtl_tcp is used as the backend by gqrx
[19:08] <PE0SAT> but that is done by the program itself
[19:09] <mclane_> what errors do you get?
[19:09] <PE0SAT> when you configure gqrx to use a RX you see rtl_tcp when one select the RTL dongle
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[19:11] <day> hm with gqrx-alsa i get it to open the config i/o window
[19:12] <PE0SAT> day: did you build gqrx or installed a package? What Linux distro are you using?
[19:13] <day> arch i didnt build it
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[19:14] <PE0SAT> day: Hmm arch, haven't used that in a long time. As far as I know gqrx uses pulse audio and I am not sure if arch uses pulse?
[19:15] <day> the application doesnt invoke a gui either. it gets stuck in the terminal. says Using thats it
[19:15] <day> im guessing even if i configure it wrong, a gui should appear, right?
[19:16] <mikestir> tried running it in gdb?
[19:16] <day> how?
[19:16] <PE0SAT> remove the $HOME/.config/gpredict map and start again
[19:16] <PE0SAT> remove the $HOME/.config/gqrx, sorry
[19:16] <PE0SAT> Both apps are from the same developer ;-)
[19:17] <day> i only have a ./config/gqrx/default.conf
[19:19] <PE0SAT> rename or remove the gqrx folder and start again.
[19:19] <day> PE0SAT: well theres a gqrx-alsa. so i doubt that the absense of pulse is a problem
[19:19] <PE0SAT> Again, arch is been a long time
[19:19] <PE0SAT> Running Deb/Ubuntu on this side
[19:21] <PE0SAT> All the arch dependecies are installed?
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[19:21] <PE0SAT> I found this https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/gqrx/ there is a pulse dep.
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[19:27] <day> is there maybe another software that i can give a try?
[19:29] <PE0SAT> day: Have a look http://www.rtl-sdr.com/big-list-rtl-sdr-supported-software/
[19:31] <day> damn so much windows
[19:33] <PE0SAT> I know, and don't try to run it in wine.
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[19:33] <PE0SAT> I have a Windows system in VirtualBox that runs SDR# and connects to rtl_tcp running on the Linux host.
[19:34] <PE0SAT> Works great
[19:34] <day> this stuff is usually linux realm. im amazed that windows is so much better supported o0
[19:35] <mfa298> I think gqrx is the only real sdr gui on linux. The only other option I'm aware of is gmuradio but that will mean lots of work
[19:35] <mfa298> lots of amateur radio people seem to favour windows xp for some reason.
[19:36] <day> eww
[19:36] <PE0SAT> day: gqrx will work, only have to find out what the arch combi problem is
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[19:52] <mikestir> sdr# runs on linux doesn't it mfa298?
[19:52] <mfa298> I'm not sure, maybe with wine/mono
[19:53] <mfa298> I dont think there's a native linux build
[19:53] <mikestir> I thought it was actually supported though, rather than just being "possible"
[19:53] <PE0SAT> mikestir: NO
[19:54] <PE0SAT> You will get it running but thats all, when it is finaly running the next thing you do is rm -rf sdrsharp :D
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[19:55] <mikestir> I'm sure I had it running once, but I can't find it so that sounds about right!
[19:59] <mikestir> http://i.imgur.com/urP7VKf.png
[19:59] <mikestir> you have to run the rtl_tcp server but it seems to work
[20:00] <mfa298> comment at the top seems to suggest it could be done but possibly not any more http://blogs.bu.edu/mhirsch/2013/11/sdr-ubuntu/comment-page-1/
[20:00] <mikestir> well I don't have the latest version so that could well be the case
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[20:08] <PE0SAT> Run SDR# in a virtual on your Linux system and run rtl_tcp on the Linux host then connect SDR# running on your Virtual to rtl_tcp.
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[20:29] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5ZM-9 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5ZM-9
[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5AKH-9 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5AKH-9
[20:30] <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: 03VK5QI-7 - 12http://habhub.org/mt/?focus=VK5QI-7
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[20:58] <Upu> ping Hes
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[21:44] <Upu> oh yay Icarus
[21:44] <Upu> !dial icarus
[21:44] <SpacenearUS> 03Upu: Latest dials for 03ICARUS 10(1990): none
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[23:40] <Oddstr13> I've had better results with gqrx than with gnuradio on arch. the gnuradio audio sink stutters for me for some reason.. I do have pulseaudio installed, so that might be a contributing factor
[23:45] <Oddstr13> also got Linrad working, but that thing isn't exactly user-friendly with all the different config options you have to set up initialy
[23:46] <Oddstr13> day: list of quite a few alternatives http://www.rtl-sdr.com/big-list-rtl-sdr-supported-software/
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